realizing that cishet “people” see being gay and being trans as one and the same was insanely eye-opening but equally heartbreaking. i was trying to build up the courage to come out to my parents but gave up the moment i understood that they would never accept me for who i am because they simply don't have the necessary brain capacity to grasp what my identity even means. i'm not even a “genderfuck” nonbinary kinda thing i'm literally just a guy but my parents are genuinely too retarded to understand what being transsexual means i've even tried to soft-launch a coming out and they just can't get it inside of their thick skulls that i am simply NOT a dyke. they can't even properly understand the concept of bisexuality to be honest. i think i’m going to spare both them and myself of getting brain damage and wasting time by employing the “not even trying to explain anything to anyone” strategy. i’m just gonna do diy hrt and move out and keep contact to a minimum.
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>I believe I'm something I'm not>I believe I can transform my body into something physically impossible with modern science>I represent 0.5% of the population but I want to force the 99.5% to cater to my mental illness by controlling their speech and actions>but everyone else is retarded, not me
>>42490668or neurosex exists and trannies have a disordered neurosex.
>>42490668>>I believe I can transform my body into something physically impossible with modern sciencepassing trans people already exist with modern science>>I represent 0.5% of the population but I want to force the 99.5% to cater to my mental illness by controlling their speech and actionsthe expectations of 99% of trannies are you using their pronouns and not hate criming them
>>42490689>see being gay and being trans as one and the samecuz they are
>>42490705i'm not op, nice subject change though.
>>42490724straight trans women are gay men
>>42490689Present evidence because this is not the medical consensus lol
>>42490757>this is not the medical consensus lolit's not, but it's the popular way of thinking about things in places like this because we're all trannies and we've all been trannies our entire lives, and there's not another explanation that really accounts for that imo.if you think we're all full of shit though, you need only look to this thread's image. why did david reimer develop gender dysphoria if not because he had some innate sense in his brain of the sex he was 'supposed' to be?
>>42490814because david reimer was sexually abused, whatever happened to him, you cannot pretend he only was raised as a girl, he was also molested and traumatized by a creepy ass old therapist who made him practice sex with his brother
>>42490757read Dick Swaab and DYOR
>>42490814>why did david reimer develop gender dysphoria if not because he had some innate sense in his brain of the sex he was 'supposed' to be?I fail to see the relevance of David Reimer to the typical mtf.>be born male>be raised as a girl because some egotistic doctorfags wanted to use you as an experiment>your maleness, which you have because you're literally biologically male, results in gender dysphoriaversus>be born male>raised as a boy because you're male>start to get gender dysphoriaHow can there possibly be a common cause between these two?To clear things up I support medical and surgical transitions for children and adults but it's not because I think there's some hidden neurosex variable.
>>42490689Why do trannies want to be classified as intersex so badly? That wouldn't make you closer to the sex you want to become, it would make you a defective AMAB/AFAB, NB at best.Anybody trying to LARP as a intersex brain individual will be addressed as they/them. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
>>42490824>david reimer was sexually abusedpeople respond to sexual abuse in a lot of ways. insisting they're a boy isn't really on of them, i think, but sure, let's say that was how david responded to it. that would be well and good IF there weren't, like, half a dozen other boys who went through the same thing (experiencing varying levels of abuse) and developed dysphoria symptoms too.
>>42490826>no citation>just name of a guy whose career started in 1968happy to report I did my own research and it didn't support what you're implying
>>42490836>I fail to see the relevance of David Reimer to the typical mtf.the relevance is that his case demonstrates the existence of neurosex, and, as i stated, transsexuals have a disordered neruosex.david was born male, and, like most natal males, his neurosex was male as well. when forced to live as a girl, he developed gender dysphoria because there was a disagreement between the sex he was forced to live as and believed himself to be, and the sex his brain knew he 'ought' to be.a transsexual woman is a natal male with a female neurosex. she experiences dysphoria because her physical sex and the sex she is forced to live as is in misalignment with the sex she feels she 'ought' to be.
>>42490870Unless you have any evidence of Reimer's neurosex (1) matching those of other cis men (2) matching those of other trans men (3) differing from those of cis women, this is a complete post-rationalization. There is nothing specific to the neurological system about Reimer's case. How do you know it wasn't his hidden osteosex or hepatosex that caused him to feel male?
>>42489213trannies should all be thrown in sharia shitholes
>>42490757https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr8RbY8uB_0Now accept you're a girl.
>>42490857>just name of a guy whose career started in 1968which is already more than what you have citednot going to waste time spoonfeeding someone acting in bad faith
>>42490838>why do trans women seek to understand their condition and tell people the underlying science, don't they know that's bad for them somehow?Why do you even care?
>>42489213I didn't read whatever it was you typed there but if a nigga is so retarded he doesn't understand David Reimer is one of the first documented cases of medically induced dysphoria that nigga is fuckin RETARDED
>>42490668>>42490694>the expectations of 99% of trannies are you using their pronouns and not hate criming themI'll actually just take leaving me the fuck alone, but here were are. It is SOOO hard to find a job when you're visibly trans.
>>42489213Okay fine I read it now>cishet “people” see being gay and being transNigga just because your parents are retarded doesn't mean all straight people are retarded
>>42490887>Unless you have any evidence of Reimer's neurosex (1) matching those of other cis men (2) matching those of other trans men (3) differing from those of cis women, this is a complete post-rationalization.the word i'd use is theory. do you have a better one? and can you justify these requirements or are they just what your heart led you to? i don't see why this is a requirement for the neurosex model to be a reasonable conclusion, the research just ain't there yet.>There is nothing specific to the neurological system about Reimer's case. How do you know it wasn't his hidden osteosex or hepatosex that caused him to feel male?again, reimer was not the only patient of money's that underwent this 'treatment' and developed dysphoria symptoms. if you make a bunch of boys live as girls and you don't tell them, yet they all come to you and say they're boys, i think it's pretty sensible to think "huh, there must be something in boys' brains that tells them they're boys." this is neurosex.
>>42490901Stupid Jew, the Islamic Republic of Iran subsidizes 100% of the cost of transition for mtfs.Jews spread transphobia on television and online. Imagine actually thinking I would ever side with you over them.
>>42490836>How can there possibly be a common cause between these two?I don't think the argument is that there is a "common cause" (well I suppose OP already made that neurosex argument).I think that Reimer is relevant to the MTF discussion because his case completely destroys the social contagion/groomer argument. There could not have been a more direct attempt to medically, socially, and psychologically groom someone into being a specific gender and it failed horrifically. The idea that some niggas on 4chan posting pink pill infographics are the reason trannies exist is fucking absurd.
>>42490929>can you justify these requirements or are they just what your heart led you to?Are you serious?If his neurosex doesn't match that of a cis man, why would it make him feel male?If his neurosex doesn't match that of a trans man, it would disprove your theory that neurosex predicts gender identity.If his neurosex matches that of a cis woman, it would suggest that neurosex is actually just social gender.Before we go any further, do you actually have any record relating to Reimer's neurosex, or are you just retconning it?>brainsYou still haven't told me why it can't be the bones or the livers. All those boys had male bones and male livers.
Here is the inconvenient truth for Judenstaat Amerika.
>>42490972his and the other boys' neurosex is statistically 99% likely to be male. transsexuality is a rare disorder, it'd be a big coincidence if david had it, so i think it's very fair to assume he'd have the same neurosex as the other 99% of cis men.we conclude a trans man has the same neurosex because he experiences dysphoria living as a girl in the same way reimer and the other boys experienced dysphoria.and again, if you want to say this has no merit i think you're obligated to provide an alternate explanation for the dysphoria. to me this is just the most sensible theory.>You still haven't told me why it can't be the bones or the livers.well, if i was to think of a place where there the sex a person knows they 'ought' to be as i have described lives, i would probably say that's in the brain. it would be impressive it the bones or the liver could pull that off i think. anyway, i don't see how presenting unreasonable alternative explanations at all disputes the validity of my explanation. i am simply presenting a theory that explains the evidence i've seen and aligns with the experience of transsexuals.
>>42491030>i would probably say that's in the braingender is stored in the balls
>>42491036>gender is stored in the ballsand how would the balls' presence connect to their conscious experience in that way?
>>42491042>and how would the balls' presence connect to their conscious experience in that way?metaphysical testicles
>>42491047i'm a naturalist.
>>42491053the ball bone is connected to the, brain bone
>>42490949>I think that Reimer is relevant to the MTF discussion because his case completely destroys the social contagion/groomer argument. There could not have been a more direct attempt to medically, socially, and psychologically groom someone into being a specific gender and it failed horrifically.You are underage if you think one case disproves anything. Please shut the fuck up.
>>42491057no it's not.
>>42491030That's a good one. We don't even need to try to observe this supposed neurosex in the wild. We can just assume all people are cis and gender dysphoria is solved.>i don't see how presenting unreasonable alternative explanations at all disputes the validity of my explanation.The point is that those unreasonable alternatives have just as much evidence behind them as your pet theory.I can just as well assume it's because of the bones or livers. No neuroanatomical evidence means no neuroanatomical assumption. Sorry.Here's another one:>if the angel crosses from left to right when you're born, it will make you a boy>if the angel crosses from right to left when you're born, it will make you a girl>for most xy people, the angel crosses left to right>for most xx people, the angel crosses right to left>David Reimer was born XY>transsexuality is rare so we can assume the angel crossed left to right>doctors fucked up his penis and forced him to live as a girl>when he grew up he got gender dysphoria>we can reason that this is because the angel made him a boy but he was forced to live as a girl
>>42491058>You are underage if you think one case disproves anything.this implies that you think there's a decent chance reimer was somehow atypical. in what way do you figure he was atypical, and what do you pin the odds of that variance at?
>>42491058I can't believe I'm replying to bait this low IQ.>raise someone FROM BIRTH with a desired gender in mind>surgically alter their genitals as a newborn>give them hormones from day one>use feminine pronouns their whole life>have them wear dresses>treat them like "any other girl"AND YET>from childhood they insist something is "off">they constantly feel alienated from the feminine identity>doctor tries to psychologically manipulate them into suppressing these feelings>still fails>until the dysphoria gets so intense that the parents finally admit to the child they were born as a male intersexYou cannot "groom" someone into a gender identity.
>>42491066>We can just assume all people are cis and gender dysphoria is solved.do you mean to tell me that you dismiss my theory because i have failed to account for the off-chance that the ~half dozen males who were studied were all by sheer blind chance transsexual? assuming transsexuality prevalence of 1%, the odds of that are about 1E-10%, so yeah i'm pretty comfortable ignoring that possibility and accepting that i have a 1E-10% chance of being wrong. boo-hoo.>The point is that those unreasonable alternatives have just as much evidence behind them as your pet theory.yeah, but they also don't make any sense so i prefer my theory?...>I can just as well assume it's because of the bones or livers.no you can't, because that doesn't make any sense. how would that even work? it is most likely in the brain. i am not saying that neurosex is something that i can prove exists with 100% certainty, if that wasn't clear. what i am saying is that neurosex is imho the most sensible theory that best explains the available evidence. i don't see what else would make more sense.>>if the angel crosses from left to right...this theory involves the supernatural. like i said, i am a naturalist, so no this is not a possibility i have considered.
>>42489213Nuh-uh
>>42489213>cishet “people” see being gay and being trans as one and the same was insanely eye-opening but equally heartbreaking.>>42491067Thoughts?
>>42491166https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy food for thought
>>42489213Look at Reimer's face as a kid. Obvious male smile and eye expression.
>>42491166He mutilated a child because he botched a circumcision and decided at that point to play God. Reimer was operated on because of Judaism not trans ideology. Retard.
>>42490937>everyone i don't like or disagree with is a kikekekgo live in a sharia shithole then if it supports your lifestyle
>>42491237>he botched a circumcisionFake news, he and his brother had phimosis so his parents (Mennonites) had them circumcised by their family doctor (Frenchie)Money wasn't involved until after Frenchie fucked the dog
>>42489213>cishets are retarded beyond helpEventually you come to realize the ancient Greeks were right, and that like 4/5 of so-called people don't have a spark, and there's nothing behind their eyes.
