Both applicable to troons and poons but this one is for troons.Stop anamaxxing and start fat and gymmaxing. You might think "oh but if I'll be like a skeleton, then I'll be petite and more feminine!" NO you will not. Anamaxxing will 1) reveal your skeleton (especially for those who already doom about being dimorphic) 2) deprive you of your boobs and curves 3) generally fuck you and your metabolism up. + Estrogen does not work without fat, it's a fat based hormone. What you do need to do is: Train your lower body and glutes and FATMAXX, ladies. Where do you think the feminine curves come from? Boobs are fat, hips are fat, tummy pouch is fat. And it's fucking sexy. A curvy woman is evolution wise most attractive. She is safe, soft, feminine, maternal. Fatmaxxing is the way. We, yes we, love curvy womenTLDR Greek goddess maxx, ladies
i just try to look like the borghese hermaphrodite
>>42557606i always found Bouguereau's paintings to represent how i'd ideally look, especially his Venus (censored image because not risking it, but the original is beautiful)obviously i can't do that because i'm amab but it would involve gaining weight anyway which i'm terrified to risk if male fat stores are still there>t. 19 bmi
>>42557606you know who you are
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>>42557606The more fatmaxxing threads i see the more i want to anamaxx
fuck fatmaxxing, it all just goes to my abdomen and makes me look like the fridge build, anamaxxing gave me more curves tho
>>42558039me too :( i hate it
>>42558039Pretty much this id rather go anorexic at this point because nothing goes to the right places
>>42558039>>42558063>>42558076pio?
>>42557932Real asfuck>>42557919I'm not online enough for this, enlighten me>>42558039That's why I also said gymmax. It's gotta have a muscle padding to go to. And if it bothers you that much, tone your stomach too. And wait for HRT to do its thing (fat redistribution). E (and prog and blah blah) always gives gynoid fat pattern so if you end up with android pattern you are either 1) too early on E 2) have some other health issues you need to adress 3) Getting hondosed 4) it's due to your muscle distribution and you need to change it (as I said, vigorously train lower body + tone your stomach/waist)
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>>42558135nta, do you have enough experience in this stuff to know when the optimal time is to gain weight. 6 months? after prog?
>>42558101like post it or ?
>>42557606There's been way too many "get fat" psyop posts lately
i was trying to fatmaxx but i’m too poor so i decided im gonna work out lower body and save up for a boobjob
>>42558135>E always gives gynoid fatFirst off you're wrong ive been eating and this is my waist nowIts time to go back to not eating
>>42557606>tummy pouch is fatyeah but i don’t like it. don’t get me wrong, gaining a little bit of weight has been great for breasts and hips (not really ass cause i got bad genetics and am lazy) but the lower tummy pouch really makes me question things. it throws off my side profile and makes it seem like i weigh more than i do. plus even when i lost weight it gave me loose skin that basically does the same thing. in general i agree with your post though
>>42557606I agree mostly. I wish the discussion against anamaxxing wasn't so poisoned by agp 400 pound feeder types posting inflation porn because all that did was convince me to KEEP anamaxxing.
>>42557606the fatter i get the less i like my body so no thanks. i do work out at the gym though. just did today>>42558101if they're getting bad fat distribution on E, pio will probably only make it worse>>42558229hi discordia you are so hot when are you gonna apply for refuge in finland so i can wife you up>>42558310fucking real. you shouldn't look like this bitch >>42558192 who's probably gonna die in like 2 weeks, but you also shouldn't inflate yourself to a fucking permanent snorlax cosplay and speedrun diabetes, sleep apnea and cardiovascular diseases. how hard is it to have a HEALTHY body goal?
>>42557606my problem is i try really hard and i gain maybe 5 pounds and i look in the mirror and i go "oh my god im so fat im so fat im so ugly i look horrible" because my stomach gets bloated from eating and i can't stand it. so i wanna starve myself and i lose my motivation and then i lose the weight. i know it's insane i know it's just bloating and not real weight when im totally flat and my limbs are skeletal and my bmi is only 18. the next morning it'll go away and i'll go "god im insane" but i never lose my lesson and im just trapped in this loop. please help me. tell me no one will ever love me unless i gain 20 pounds tell me it's not too late for breast growth or for hips tell me i could be beautiful if i just put on a little bit of fat. please
>>42558435>tell me no one will ever love me unless i gain 20 poundsno, ill tell you you're beautiful whether you gain weight or not, or even lose it. it's fine. at your bmi it's not a bad idea to gain some weight but making such a fuss about it is not productive at all and is just gonna make you suffer. your life can only improve if you learn to be chill about your body. and it's not like you HAVE to gain weight. i had 18 bmi for most of my life and i looked good, it's whatever. now i'm like 21 bmi and it's still fine. whatever.
>>42558508my life can only improve if i do something to make me more okay with my body because i can't stand my body. i can't stand being flat i can't stand my huge male ribcage and total lack of hips or ass or anything anyone could possibly find attractive. i don't look good and i'm not beautiful.
>>425581706-12 months is optimal. Before that, focus on gymmaxxing. You need to understand this is not a magic pill, this is literally a puberty and it lasts years. I should specify - don't fatmaxx early on E, it's gonna follow the old pattern and NO it will not shift magically. Until 6 months (or around that, everyone's different), you should instead build the frame for it. About prog - it doesn't do much direct fat redistribution, but it helps with breast maturation which you need if you don't want conetits. And it increases your appetite which contributes>>42558192I just want women to stop fucking starving themselves for suboptimal results. I'm not telling anyone to get obese>>42558198Good plan too>>42558229What am I supposed to gather from that photo? It's a side view, not even your waist. And your lower half is heavier. I don't see the catch, Plus read above, don't fatmaxx until fat redistribution starts
>>42558572what should you do if you're at like 25 months and you're still totally underdeveloped
>>42558552well then you could try making a routine out of eating. like literally plan ahead your meals for the day such that you get a specific amount of calories you've decided on. then just eat that every day, not because of this or that, but because those are the rules. and don't look in the mirror when it's the time of day where you'd be bloated.also start going to gym. do lower body excercise like hip thrusts, leg press and something for the side of the thighs and so on. google some good exercises for muscle groups you wanna target
>>42558265Always reconcile with what feels the best for you, nona. Tummy pouch on women is a sign of health which is why I mentioned it>>42558310Yeah I get it. Fatmaxxing shouldn't mean inflation fetish, it's just eating to fuel your body and curves on hormone that literally gives all your fat to curves. Mostly, I don't even care to which extent people fat or gymmaxx, I just wish there weren't as much anamaxxers, it's sad to see. Dietmaxxing is okay, but starving yourself...bruh>>42558397Good on you + agree on healthy body goal. People just need to remember healthy comes with a little bit of fat
i tried gaining weight, gained like 8 pounds, and i got the fridge build now, im back to anamaxxing
>>42558572Fat distribution is a myth so im just going to anamode
>>42558435Good that you acknowledge the absurdity of it. No, you're not unlovable because of your weight, do it for your health + what >>42558602 said>>42558591It could be because 1) you're hondosed, not taking E systematically or use oral 2) Not suppressing your T correctly/ enough 3) Too lean 4) Genetics - some women stay board flat too + tanner stages show up at different times for everyone. My solution remains the same, do a check up and fat/gymmaxx
>>42558628>got the fridge build now>posts a pic of a skinny girl
>>42558687>1) you're hondosed, not taking E systematically or use orali do my shot every 6 days. im not hondosed my e is good.>2) Not suppressing your T correctly/ enoughmy T is beneath the female range it's like extra low it's at like 9 or something. i think i remember the female range is like 15-50 something something but mine's at like 8 or 9. >3) Too leani hope so.i hope youre right i hope so i hope so>4) Genetics - some women stay board flat toomy mom has normal sized boobs. although she has had 3 children. i need to go to the gym you're right, but i feel like i dont look good enough to im ashamed to go. im like trapped in this loop where i think "i need to go to the gym to look better, but i don't look good enough to go to the gym, but i need to go to the gym to look better" and im just paralyzed and miserable
>>42558689i just feel fat and ugly nowat least when anamaxxing i had a better waist
>>42558628Am I supposed to be seeing "the fridge"? You've got great beginnings nona, don't kill them with anamaxxing. Gymmaxx instead if it's too early for fatmaxxing>>42558656It's not, if it hasn't shown on you yet, just gymmax for time being + see that lower stomach fat? That gynoid fat pouch. Your whr seems good to me and your too lean to tell your pattern>>42558729>>although she has had 3 children.Your answer. Childbirth significantly enlarges your breastsAs for the gym, if you're too afraid to go, start at home. No matter how small, consistency is better than being perfect. And there's plenty of exercises that don't require gym equipment
>>42558787>You've got great beginnings nona>if it's too early for fatmaxxingim already 15 months on hrt and on progesterone for 1 month, and E1 cycling for stimulating breast growth so this is like the max i can get
>>42558787Look at the other girls waist and tell me I have a decent whr lmaoo >>42558628I look like a brick and need to starve i have a man gut
>>42558628please dont anamaxx you have way too much potential to just throw it away by starving yourself
>>42558818Then it's not too early. Start doing both. 1 month prog is nothing for breast maturation. And remember, breast tissue is mostly made up of fat. Gain some weight, I can see your ribs. About your waist - fatmaxxing does not mean nicocado avocado-ing. Gym + healthy amount of fat will give you a better waist than anamaxxing. Fill out these hips and stop starving yourself, you're killing off your potential >>42558831Your hips are not narrower than your waist, that's all I need to know. Starving won't do yo better. If you're that opposed to fatmaxxing, then diet and gymmaxx. And if you really want to starve, whatever floats your boat, do your research and interval starve instead
>>42558610>a sign of healthi actually didn’t know that, maybe it’s not as bad as i thought
>>42558905You cant seriously look at my brick waist and say that I have potential if I gain weight. Lol
>>42557606>tummy pouch is fat. And it's fucking sexy. A curvy woman is evolution wise most attractive. She is safe, soft, feminine, maternal.shut the fuck up you illiterate fatfag, there is nothing attractive about sowism. its literally a generational trauma fetish derived from when people were forced to live in caves in temporary matriarchies in which women just sat on their fat asses and men brought them food. it lead to several populations genetic bottlenecks and almost killed all of us. fatfaggotry is to the male sexuality what rape fetishism is to women, its an instinctual cope of awful times.it is sub-evolution in logic. dont ever peddle this shit here ever again.
>>42559064Calm down. I'm not telling anyone to get obese, just that it's better for women's health to be plumper than skinnier. Notice how I mentioned gymmaxxing in my every reply? Because muscle + healthy amount of fat is optimal for everyone, especially women. Why do you think women gain weight during childbirth and pregnancy? Estrogen is literally the fat gaining hormone. I assumed you guys have enough brainpower to understand I'm not talking about getting as fat as possible, especially with my further replies in this thread. And yes it is sexy, because I love my women healthy and self loving enough to nurture their body and not starve it>>42558950I do. But once again, if you're against fatmaxxing, do whatever fits you more that won't kill off your entire organism
>>42559215What's so wrong about wanting to starve all the old male fat and muscle from pre hrt? Its not going to just dissappear Fat is only going to be ugly if you still have male fat blended with the new
>>42559405>Fat is only going to be ugly if you still have male fat blended with the newTrue. But starving is retarded and does much more bad than good. You can lose fat in better ways, as I mentioned. As for muscle, estrogen atrophy and just not using it will do
>>42557606are you the anon with that shake recipe? i would appreciate a repost if you are and don't mind
>>42558135>1) too early on Eyes this is why im doing calorie deficit and core workouts for a few months to get rid of visceral its just so hard to not eat and ive literally never had this problem in my life like 16 BMI im just trying to get abs and build glutes but i keep wanting that last 300 calories and the loss is so slowim thinking maybe just exercise even more so i can eat more and i will get good body re-composition as E distro takes over. i might be overcounting my calories too i should weigh more of my portions. unfortunately i get low blood sugar and migraines if i dont eat like every 4 hours :(when do people usually start pio?
>>42558950no you look fine. its me (who has the same waist) who is bricked and fat
>>42557606don't anamaxx, don't fatmaxx. you need to weight cycle. restrict, but don't anamaxx, to reduce muscle and existing masculine fat deposits. if you have higher muscle mass, a bigger restriction might be needed, but try not to anamaxx too hard. once you're happy with where you're at, or if your body needs more calories, fatmaxx to distribute fat to feminine fat deposits. anecdotally, this is more effective if you're also taking progesterone. repeat a few times, and then try to settle around a healthy weight for your height and frame.
>>42557606only applicable to ftms and passoid mtfs. please shut up and kys. you know nothing beyond what makes your dick hard, feedernon.if you wanna risk gaining weight for boobs and then losing it back after, go ahead. but i guess you should be doing chest exercises to avoid sagging? not sure.in any case only building muscle is going to help unless you're blessed in terms of your fat distribution and in terms of your bone structure (in which case you probably don't need to 'maxx' in any way)
>>42557606also women in old paintings and statues look disgusting. awful taste.
>>42559763Sorry that's not me>>42559822I'd recommend eating more protein and saturated fat to battle hunger, since they last longer + help you build muscle (that increases basal metabolism) and boosts estrogen's effect. Every 4 hours meals is not bad at all, in fact it keeps you full enough to not snack. As for pio, I'm not a professional, but generally start it when fat redistribution already in like middle to end zone, it'll boost and lock it in>>42559942Yeah, true. I agree with that>>42560052Lol seething much? Have you read any of my later messages or you just want to spread your honrage all over? If you want to point out some specific point where you disagree with me, go ahead. Otherwise, decoding the bullshit you wrote is meaningless>>42560070Alright bruh, anything you specifically don't like is "awful taste", got it
>>42560852i'm trying my hardest to remember who you arethat ftm with the weird kinks?
>>42561245Yeah probably lol. I made both pooner and mtf kink threads. Pretty sure the shake is from latter
>>42557606i was really ugly when i was fat. my dysphoria is still crippling but at least i dont feel AS gross now. im so big already i want to feel small :[
>>42561362That's alright nona. Read my later messages + >>42559942. The point of this thread is basically "Don't starve yourself"
>>42560852>I'd recommend eating more protein and saturated fat to battle hungeri eat lots of chicken and potato eggs and cashews and almonds and walnuts but they have so many calories. i think im good tho cus i cut a 350 C breakfast shake so im pretty sure im always in deficit all else being the same >>42559942>don't anamaxx, don't fatmaxx.isn't it just called body recomposition? actual cycling i think is bad cause its too fast like if it takes a year for feminine fat distribution to kick in and 10 years to cycle all fat cells then you should just workout and eat maintenance calories and it will burn man fat and deposit woman fat. similarly just do squats and dont ever move your arms and muscle definition will go from top to bottom and then you can also gain weight in muscle and lower body fat because muscle is more dense so you can go up 10 or 20 pounds but it will be muscle with a thin layer of fat in the correct distribution. this is my plan to get abs and dumper at the same time with daily 10K steps hip thrusts crunches squats planks bicycle kicks and on days i do 20K steps i can have a burger as a treat
>>42561409I think I'll just starve myself bro fatmaxxing sounds like a psyop to make me ugly
>>42562151Oh for fuck's sake. Just be safe alright? I heavily recommend dieting instead of starving. Starving slows down your metabolism and fucks up everything. Also, your hair will fall out more and etc etc. If you really wanna starve, do interval one. Like 16/8. It's actually good for detox and shit. But once again, do your research and what feels best for you, peace
>>42562219You're over exaggerating starving myself isn't going to be that bad it's just until I no longer have muscle or fat chill
>>42558729reali try to find a corner away from everyone, or i just do body weight exercises at home
>>42562290Still gonna slow your metabolism so be careful + you gotta have at least some fat for E to be working
>>42562454I just don't care honestly im tired of the way im built and need to take extreme measures to atrophy properly because im not waiting 10 years
>>42561409idk im 4 years hrt i feel like im past the point of getting it in my head that anythings really going to change. my fat distribution is like fine anyway my bone structure is just repugnant. its better for me to just be a weird underweight freak male.
>>42557606You're right, but is a fat body what is needed in the world now?
