How important is a lack of shame in passing?
>>42671333It’s very detrimental to passing. But some people will never pass no matter what and I can imagine that the ones that recognize that and honmode anyway are a lot happier than the ones rotting in their room and living as a man all their life.
>>42671333It's somewhat counterproductive, but *too much* shame can prevent you from trying at all. It's a difficult line to walk, between enough pressure to incentivize you to improve and so much pressure that you buckle under the burden.Anyways, she is cringe, but she is free.
>>42671368Yeah. You'd think it would help since a lack of shame would mean nobody noticing you seem nervous or like you're hiding something.For sure lack of shame would help an ftm pass.But for mtfs the problem with it is that real women are insanely close to 100% universal about maintaining certain levels of appearance and behavior that men don't come close to matching. Like it's impossible for me to find a woman in real life who has hair that looks like the person in that pic. I'd guess at least one woman on the face of the Earth has hair like that, but I would never be able to find her because she'd be one out of a billion. Even when women aren't washing their hair often they still know how to use dry shampoo plus fifty other secret woman tricks to make their hair look presentable in public.And then the eyebrows. Some women go for the fuller eyebrow look but again, I don't think I could go outside and find even one woman with eyebrows like that.Facial expression too. That doesn't seem like an expression women even have the brain parts to convey. It's quintessentially male.
>>42671354Pure autismo
idk, women can be and are losers too, i think the thing with the girl in picrel is that she doesn’t face pass for like… a dozen reasons. if she bothered to do her eyebrows and had light ffs you probably wouldn’t have even made this post.
>>42671354
>>42671410she’s just smiling lmao i agree on everything else but like… do women not smile???
>>42671431There's a different sort of feeling behind that smile. Like a casually dominating confidence to it that women don't have. Even literal dominatrix women don't really have that ability. It's like this sense that you're in control and unaffected by fear of threats around you or something. Real women don't really give off that vibe. Even a nerdy anxious guy tends to have that ability more than a confident woman does. Like there's some built in woman brained thing that makes them more acutely aware of appearances and they're locked in on thinking about that stuff while men are more free to just be in their own energy more directly.
>>42671425>>42671333>greasy unwashed hair>3ds on what seems to be a date>2nd one has a beard shadow>childish accessories inappropriate for agewhy are transbians like this>>42671413yeah as much as i'd like to make fun of this person, her main problem is just that she's ugly and nonpassing, if she were good looking, this picture would be cute and no one would have a problem with it>>42671410>close to 100% universal about maintaining certain levels of appearance and behaviori seem to pass like 99% of the time after ffs and i put 0 effort into my appearance aside from making sure i don't have a beard shadow and stuff, and i think that 1% is still entirely down to my face and has nothing to do with me being an unkempt mess
>>42671482You mentioned greasy unwashed hair though. Are you saying you do have greasy unwashed hair or are you saying you make sure never to have hair like that?
>>42671333picrel dead ass looks like my ex from high school wtf
>>42671468i guess i do get what you mean. i imagined it almost as the like laugh smile you make when someone tells you that you are pretty but i MIGHT be projecting JUST A LITTLE BIT.
>>42671468ngl nona, that's a bit of a terf take along the lines of claims of things like "male socialization", i think you're overgeneralizing this. that said, i have met transbians that gave very clear male autismo vibes, but saying that women aren't capable of giving out these sort of vibes is untrue and, i think, ironically, also kind of misogynistic, it reminds me of some of the awful takes from places like crystalcafe>>42671500i shower daily and wash my hair every other day but i normally don't style or brush it so it still looks like a mess because like individual strands of it poke out in various directions. i'm personally okay with looking unkempt as long as i don't look dirty, because our social contract mostly requires us not to actively inconvenience other people by being filthy and unhygienic but beyond that, things like appearance are more down to do with individual choices
>>42671468Does not look like "dominating confidence" more like just goofy dumb unaware smile autistically absorbed in the game - yeah a fairly malebrained thing still but not "dominating"also it is not a good thing that women are socially conditioned to be hyper aware of their appearance at all times. Hons should take more care of their appearance yeah but I think every woman would probably feel a bit more free and happy if they weren't pressured into needing to look like instagram models to go to the convenience store
>>42671425Literally looks like chudjak
>>42671606Those meme pics were basically just traced off actual people's photographs. So it's not surprising you'd see some mtfs who look like them since that just means they look like the men the chudjaks were based off of.
>>42671354no, but like honestly, i don't really see a problem with people like the ones in the photos. i'd be too embarrassed to be seen with one of them and i'd probably feel really uncomfortable interacting with either of them but i don't inherently have a problem with any of them just doing their own thing. i seriously do not understand why transphobes experience such deep seething and rage that makes them want to eliminate us instead of just feeling like "yeah okay these two give me the ick" and moving on, it's like "nooo everyone _must_ conform to my incredibly rigid idea of the world and anyone who doesn't is mentally ill". they are literally not hurting anyone by existing.
>>42671628Chudjak is traced from the El Paso shooter. Still quite fascinating to see someone with that much resemblance. The long lower face, the frown, the glasses. It's almost like a cosplay.
>>42671698>no, but like honestly, i don't really see a problem with people like the ones in the photosof course no one has a problem with them, its just a 4chan banter thread> i seriously do not understand why transphobes experience such deep seething and rage that makes them want to eliminate us instead of just feeling like "yeah okay these two give me the ick" and moving on, thats literally like 99% of the threads here.4chan is not real life
>>42671425lester crest if he transitioned
I can't get a girlfriend of any kind. I have no right to judge these people.
let people be happy
>>42671710i meant that in reply to the twitter screenshot where the chud was seething about those two trannies
>>42671725playing a ds during a date is so fucking disrespectful
>>42671333>>42671425both of these people look pretty unfortunate but half their struggle is that they have seemingly never heard of tweezers in their life, my godit wouldn't save them, especially the 2nd, but it'd help at least a little
>>42671333Probably important, honestly I don't think I'll ever pass but I'll be beautiful in a weird way. I'm basically gonna be a fallen angel twunkhon. I look like a dark brooding metal head type, and I just started trooning... I think I have too many masc features though which is why women were attracted to me, and why they aren't attracted to twink flamers.
>>42672372i feel you on a deep level. or at least i think i do. wish you the best all the same
twinkhon variant of a fallen angel imo in this pic. I wouldn't say they pass, but they look very beautiful. I guess rule 1 would be attractive, and don't look like an ugly incel nerd lmao.
>>42671354Am I the only one that reads this as satire/a joke? Lol but also I don't get why ppl give a fuck about nonpassers exexisting. Like who cares. Leave them be. If they literally rape someone ok yeah fuck them but if bitches just be chilling and that makes you salty or fly into a panic attack, the one with the problem is you.
>>42672481Aren't they just two people having fun? Idk why people are taking it seriously
>>42671354i don't think this is evidence of anything except wow ugly nerds
>>42671333>>42671425why are t4t transbian always so fucking ugly?
>>42672526i pass better and i'm just a twink, grim
>>42672531Honestly I think when people ask if they should troon, I am just gonna tell them to present andro (long hair, no facial hair), and if people aren't attracted to them that way, just rep, because it means they have too masc of a face to look good with long hair.
>>42671333i feel like shame has been catastrophic for my ability to pass, but if i just passed then i wouldn't be so ashamed in the first place. it's like a catch 22. im afraid that if i'm unpassing and confident i will come off as clueless and full of myself, and repulsive. i want people to know that i'm self aware, and that i don't like how i look either. when i talk to people i find a way to say "i'm sorry" every 5 minutes or less. i need people to know that i see it too i need people to know that im sorry for the way i look and that i don't think i'm fooling anybody. but it would be nice to be able to do my makeup without crying from looking in the mirror. or not being so ashamed and so depressed that i can't cope and i just melt into my bed doing nothing and starving myself and not putting enough effort it. that's where it becomes detrimental
>>42671333It's a double-edged sword I guess? Shame has pushed me into putting max effort into passing but at the same time affects my confidence terribly and ruins my chances of actually passing irl. I don't have any irl support and have had a lot of bad experiences with constant misgendering and harassment and overall public shaming so it's like this constant cycle of shame which on the surface looks to be improving me (I post online and people think I'm this high-effort, well put together person who doesn't need advice) but inside I'm just slowly getting more and more depressed and frustrated as nothing improves and the cycle starts all over.
>>42671333yet againits lookism the whole way down
>>42672543>present andro (long hair, no facial hair)i guess i present andro by that definitionbut i don't know, it's just sad to see a tranny with beard shadow and all that shit, but i hope for her it's salvageable with surgery and laser
>>42672613Those are just the most retarded or shameless of trannies, if I see beardshadow on someone at like 2 years hormones+ I know they are a retarded slob. It's the easiest fakeshit filter.
>>42671431It's a Rick Moranis smile, women literally don't even have the required facial muscles
>>42671628how tf does lower left look more inhuman in the photo than in the soijak art versionjfc
>>42671354>>42671425Pokemon Platinum, absolutely based
>>42671425hahahathat explains everything
>>42671698>seriously do not understand why transphobes experience such deep seething and rage that makes them want to eliminate us instead of just feeling like "yeah okay these two give me the ick" and moving on, it's like "nooo everyone _must_ conform to my incredibly rigid idea of the world and anyone who doesn't is mentally ill".It is obviously autism. They can't deal with nonconformity
>>42672491>>42671698you people forget that we are in 4chan, you niglets
>>42671410Do you have the house? There are SO. FUCKING. MANY. I see a ton of trailer trash that look exactly like this or 200x worse.
>>42672481>>42672491there's a certain kind of person who gets violently angry about ugly low status people visibly having fun in publicthey're not saying they don't have a right to exist, no, that would be going too far, but for them to enjoy it instead of wallowing in abjection is intolerable
>>42671698>i seriously do not understand why transphobes experience such deep seething and rage that makes them want to eliminate us instead of just feeling like "yeah okay these two give me the ick" and moving onNo offence, but you're different from the norm. It is embarrassing (sometimes) to be seen with.Frankly, there is something visceral about seeing two men dressed in girls clothes playing with their gameboys etc. It causes genuine (unfortunate) dirty looks in those with low iq, low empathy/ToM or low impulse control..It is ingrained to gang up with others to avoid being picked on, so society finds these common enemies to bully, to secure their own standing in society. It's a source of self-esteem for many I'm sure (that they're not trans) and to maintain they can 'other' and disparage it.Should you be socially ridiculed for the above? I'd say if they were my mate, then yeah I'd tease them a bit - in good nature.Some people truly have been brainwashed into thinking there's a globalhomo psyop or SSRIs/mental illness link etc.The thing I can't decide is whether its transphobic to not want your children to be trans... cus it does clearly cause some hardship. In the same way that you wouldn't want them getting diagnosed with type 1 diabetes?
>>42671772>but half their struggle is that they have seemingly never heard of tweezers in their lifeUltimate trvthke many need to realize this
>>42671482>her main problem is just that she's ugly and nonpassing, if she were good looking, this picture would be cute and no one would have a problem with itYeah, well he's not cute. There are just some things that are okay for an attractive person to do and not for an ugly person to do. When you are ugly you forfeit the right to do certain things. When you break that taboo you are called out appropriately. Miss me with the inclusive hugbox bullshit
>>42671425>>42671425tbf if this was my date I'd be glued to my DS too
>>42671592>also it is not a good thing that women are socially conditioned to be hyper aware of their appearance at all times.We don't live in some fantasy land where women can be low effort and not be judged. When you decide to transition that means you have to live as a woman, period.
>>42671354“hon4hon is beautiful”, they said
>>42672444unironically being beautiful is more beneficial than being passing. the world is very lookist. im a pretty twinkhon and sometimes i feel bad about not passing to everyone, but then i remind my self that im hot as fuck. it helps with the shame of being trans that very few people are good looking enough to give me shit about being a tranny without me being able to respond by looking at them down my nose and saying at least im not ugly. not that people give me shit, but its a comforting thought that i mog most cissoids in beauty even if i dont pass 100%
>>42671333Well idk. Im somewhat happy that they both seem to love each other. Even if they dont pass. They are dating within their range. All things considered these two are probably having more sex than the incels who mock them.
>>42671354lol
bump
>>42671333>>42671425heres your transbian couple bro
>>42671725tru>>42671771what in the taishō eraparallel play is peak
is going out with that shirt and shoulders/jaw narcissism or just AGP?
>>42679818Their body is only for their lover and not you
So andrognous
>>42680030>ywn experience gay sex with two women in a dennys is joever
>>42672444is this a poster here or some YouTuber or smth
>normies miss an obvious joke award
>>42671425Chuddette is NOT happy
>>42674497i dont care that theyre trans. i specifically care that they're being ugly in public. inexcusable
>>42671425No way
>>42671333What if you passed fairly well, not perfect to those who know what to look for, but with one special condition: nobody knows for the transgender person is, or looks like?
https://x.com/uunnrreal/status/2023126202429698501>This type of dude just thinks calling themselves girls gives them authority to be useless, that’s why they’re always gamer dorks with too much screentimeholy truthnuke
>>42671425is that trooned out chuddy?
>>42675388We live in a time where cultural values and ideas of gender are being challenged harder and are changing quicker than ever, I've known a couple women who stopped shaving, didn't wear makeup, tried looking more simple and androgynous It's a bit different for trannies because it puts the legitimacy of your transness or "womanhood" harder into question. But for cis women more could be low effort if everyone wasn't seething and malding over it
>>42671425I would look like that if i trooned.Thank you for extensing my repression
mogs me and/or relationship goals
>>42671706el paso shooter is so fine
>>42680436real. there's standards you are expected to live up to as a woman, even more if you're a tranny who wants to be taken seriously as one, but like, that's not good or aspirational or w/e
>>42674343but that means foids aren't monolithic and that's so fucking inconvenient for my foul mouthed self righteous black and white thinking
>>42671368>some people will never pass>somelollmfao
>>42671425hot take but this one is gmi, her face is fucked up but with FFS/laser i think shed be fine. like i thought cis woman at first in the left of >>42671354. also she seems to be trying to dress her age instead of the freakshow on the right so mentally she might be all there
>>42672767kek
In a sense it's completely essential because if you are ashamed people will pick up on it and wonder why you're acting like you're doing something wrong.When you think you're not doing anything wrong you act like you're not doing anything wrong and nobody will scrutinize your appearance.
>>42671425Valentine’s Day has fallen, billions must split the check.
>>42671333>care enough to paint nails>but can't wash the fucking hairmalebrained false trans fetish!!!
>>42671333>>42671425grimwe desperately need to save the transbians from continuously publicly humiliating themselves like this>>42671354being a reformed groyper who knows the black swan lore makes this post so much funnier ngl
>>42671425the west has fallen
>>42671425This is how all those "troonmaxxers" look like.
>>42671333>audience knows less than narrator>>42671354>audience knows equal amount to the narrator>>42671425>audience knows more than the narratora story in three acts
>>42671628Off topic but why does Brianna Wu's husband do this shit in every picture lmao
>>42672526jesus christ even his hair has stubble what the fuck
and yet, these hons still had someone to spend valentine's day with. which i'm sure is more than "black swan" (what a douche) can say for himself
>>42683782that's because troonmaxxing was shilled to incels who are just sub5's no matter what gendered direction they take.
the way normies think they are gay men..
>>42671333Very important
>>42671425Chud
>>42675329EVERYONES BEAUTIFUL
>>42671425God I hate transbians
