You get what you deserve.

>>42746279
I was completely nice to her. what else could I have done?

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>>42746270
Question
How do I approach. I'm 6"4 and in my late 20s, white and I think decent looking but I have zero social skills.
What do I do to get sex at a club. Im incel too.
Last time I went to a club I just sat there whole everyone was dancing. My stomach had a pit in it the entire time I felt so out of place and alone

poor girl, you are awful

>>42746287
Well I don't know, I've also never had sex. Alcohol maybe helped me to approach but this is clearly not enough

>>42746289
cope seethe & dilate

>>42746287
My cope to deal with social anxiety is just to say whatever cringe thing you thought of in your mind as long as it's not literally offensive. For example when I got off the bus I thought, what if I said "cheers" instead of "thanks", which felt cringe to me, but I doubled down and said "cheers", idk, it did something.
I'm 29 and still deal with anxiety.
I'm thinking different clubs and scenes will be different in this regard. At the goth club people will actually just approach loners to talk to them unlike other clubs I was at.

>>42746270
>hot and passing twinkhon
?
The mind of a pooner.

>>42746419
also
>passing
>immediately clocks her in nightclub full of people

>>42746356
I end up talking about conspiracy theory shit when i do that.One time i got beat up by a lesbian whose father died in Vietnam bc i was going off on some bullshit about rathole folklore/ghost stories/ the jews.

T. Cis male skitzo on hrt

>>42746270
>trans men in charge of picking someone up
>trans women in charge of being picked up
good thing evolution doesn't depend on you

>>42746287
I think a good first step would be to go to the club with 0 intentions of hooking up or meeting girls. Just go to dance solo and try and enjoy yourself without stressing about talking to people. Hopefully it will make the space less intimidating.
The next steps would probably be to try and make friends or talk to some of the guys there (not to hook up (unless you want that), just to be friendly), as they might be less intimidating and so easier to practice on

>>42746270
A "passing twinkhon"

>>42746419
>>42746517
she passes to other people, only clocked her because I'm trans and on /tttt/ constantly

>>42746519
I think anyone with sufficient information about spotting boobtwinks would figure it out

>>42746270
please don’t call women twinkhons..
but I’m sorry to hear that happened anon, it seems unprompted of her. I was (and still kinda am ig) c4t and if trans guys hit me up I’d be polite about it, not make a scene.

>>42746519
A twinkhon by definition does not pass. She looks like a weird twink with long hair and tits. Thus, the hon.
Although MTFs can't complain about this since they use "pooner" to refer to FTMs in general despite the fact the term means an unpassing, ugly FTM.

>>42746270
You expect us to believe that you don't know that approaching a woman who you have deliberately singled out because she's trans, then ask her "are you alone? if so can I have your number?" isn't very weird and creepy behaviour?
You also admit that you know that if you keep doing this, you might get banned, which means you understand that there's consequences for behaving this way.
>Men are so much cooler
Stay away from women entirely vro, no wonder you're an incel lmao

>>42746536
I think she thought I was a cis man

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>>42746270
to get trans bitches you need to be into witch house instead of goth

>>42746537
Twinkhons are different from hons. I'm just saying she passes but is clocky to insiders
>>42746541
So, you want men to beat around the bush? That's much creepier. I asked her 2 questions then I left her alone. Literally the easiest thing for her to deal with.

>>42746537
>MTFs can't complain about this since they use "pooner" to refer to FTMs in general despite the fact the term means an unpassing, ugly FTM.
I'm a cis male so i'll complain in their steed.

>>42746554
>Twinkhons are different from hons
Obviously. Twinkhons are hons that are young and thin like twinks. The term was coined because "hon" usually means an older, ugly unpassing MTF, so twinkhon specifically refers to unpassing MTFs that don't fit that description.

>>42746560
As long as you also misuse the term, you cannot.

>>42746554
It communicates to her that you're trying to scope out women that are alone. Make conversation with her, be a well adjusted human that doesn't deliberately try to scope out lone trannies at the club. Bro, you very obviously know this is skeevy as fuck behaviour. If you're so desperate for exclusively sex, use Grindr. A lot of people aren't at the club to get laid. I also often go just to get out and get a bit silly with it, as do many of my friends. There's absolutely no way you don't understand this, and if you genuinely don't, you're cooked. You shouldn't be trying to get laid at all. Come on dude

>>42746571
If you say so, but that's not how I meant it. I meant to say she is clock but probably passes to cis people. Quite a few people like that there.

>>42746582
That's normal. You don't approach people who are already talking in groups for the most part. That would be an interruption. People go to clubs to meet others. If you're not comfortable with being approached don't go.

>>42746589
Some people don't. If all you do is go "are you alone? Can I get your number?" That's weird as fuck. As her for a dance, buy her a drink, try and strike up an actual conversation, don't go and single out trannies. Come on this is how not to be weird towards women 101. No wonder you retarded faggots are on this site complaining about lack of pussy.

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>>42746665
>No wonder you retarded faggots are on this site complaining about lack of pussy.
real. im repeatedly amazed by the level of delusion and lack of social skills of 4chinners

>>42746270
>Chronicles of the osteoporotic goblin with chopped tits
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>>42746665
It's direct but it's not weird. It's normal in a club.
>As her for a dance, buy her a drink
These things are incelush, trying too hard, creepy if with the intent of fucking her.
>try and strike up an actual conversation
Hit or miss advice. Most striking up conversations with strangers there is people complimenting outfits, makeup etc.. I do that too. I maybe should have led with that, sure, I thought of it.
>don't go and single out trannies
I found her attractive, that's why I approached her.

*incelish

>>42746727
It's not incelish to try and actually be nice and sociable. You're on 4chan complaining that you can't get laid. You're literally an incel, and you're trying to say "no, my approach to interacting with women is fine, it's the women that are the problem".

Also, you say that people go to clubs to meet others, but that approaching groups would be an interruption. Which is it, fuck head?

You people are NEVER going to make it in any meaningful domain of your lives, and everyone else will know exactly why, and you'll still be posting on this fuck ass site confused and mad at the self inflicted state of your life. Chimpanzee behaviour.

>>42746758
I'm sorry.
I wish i could do better.

>>42746776
Fuck off, don't reply pretending you are me.

>>42746758
It is incelish to pretend to be nice and sociable to get laid.

It is inappropriate to interrupt people who are talking in groups. Typically people who aren't talking and are just sitting or standing are the ones waiting for someone to approach.

>>42746788
I wasnt im just in the same situation .

T. Cis male truecel

>>42746795
In that case, that other poster is gaslighting you.

>>42746801
Itd over either way.
I have so much love to give and never will.
My dick doesnt even work bc im on hrt.

>>42746712
Inconsequential humans that are capable of change and self reflection, but consciously choose not to, which is significantly worse
>>42746788
This doofus made you actually potentially look like someone who had a moment of lucid self awareness, and you'd rather announce that no, you're going to keep choosing to be this way.
>>42746793
It's the fact that you said "pretend" that gives up the whole game. You're pretending. Maybe if you actually were a half decent or interesting person, you wouldn't have to pretend.
Also, you can absolutely interact with groups if you aren't a dropkick.
Turn your fucking brain on, you Gronk

>>42746822
I'm not pretending, that's why I was directed and cut straight to the point, that I wanted her number. I didn't pretend to be super nice and sociable in order to get in her pants like a creep would.

I'll buy some cool dudes a drink. Fuck women they don't deserve a free drink

>>42746842
Has this approached ever worked for you?
Like we know it hasn't because if it had, you wouldn't be making threads like this, but try to think and imagine someone else's perspective, and also try to reflect on your own behaviour, and whether or not it produces results that you want.

Again, if all you want is to get laid, go use Grindr, faggot

>>42746860
I've approached men with the same directness and honesty and they've been cool about it.

>>42746270
this is just poor social skills
>you alone
>what's your number
you sound like you're trying to scope out if you can kidnap her
talk about doll eye or animation memes first and then when she feels safe you can ask that stuff

>>42746879
Why would you need someone's phone number to kidnap them? Also it was in the middle of a club surrounded by dozens of people. This doesn't make sense.

>>42746875
Because men generally don't exist with the background fear and awareness that are going to be the target of sexual harassment and assault. You are a man, aren't you? Do you live with that?
And if you do, then you would understand why women are skeptical of a lone guy who approaches women and tries to get their number specifically when they're alone.

This is what I mean, you're not actually reflecting on why women might not be comfortable with a stranger approaching them when they're alone and trying to sleep with them.

>>42746882
why can't you just interact with her without trying to extract pussy? Like you aren't even trying to actually communicate with her, you're already thinking of the "second location" before you've even interacted with her meaningfully in the first location.

>>42746929
So a 6'2 transgender woman was terrified that I was going to dominate and rape her? Get real.

>>42746270
>scan the room for hot trans babes a few minutes after
>huh wonder where she went
>she's gone
>>42746727
>I found her attractive, that's why I approached her.

you explicitly admit to specifically looking for lone trans women
you're a creep and you know it, champ

>>42746939
You're rarted, full retarter sauce in the fucking brain dude. You refuse to even imagine what it's like to be a woman. stay incel, pooner

>>42746952
It was tongue-in-cheek.
>>42746957
Why would I need to imagine what it's like to be a woman, I have a vagina, I had periods before, at some point I had the ability to become pregnant. There's no need for me to try to imagine it. I already know what it's like for women. It's them who aren't living in reality.

>>42746971
In your op, you say that you know you're going to get banned if you keep acting like this, which means you fully understand that your behaviour is the problem, and you keep acting like this, and you think your own behaviour is everyone else's fault

"I know what it's like to be a woman because I have a cunt"
Moving through the world as a woman is different to having a cunt. You should innately understand this as a trans person, mtf OR ftm.

In a just world, people like you would be put down like senile dogs.

>>42746986
It's not my behaviour that would have been a problem, but women overreacting and overreporting "harassment". I did nothing wrong to that woman, I immediately disengaged when she said she wasn't interested, and yet she was apparently upset enough to leave.

I'm not responsible for women's delusions and paranoia.

this poor girl used all her courage to go out and try to socialize with people and immediately gets signled out and chased by a weird poon

>>42746993
You're talking like a rapist
Again, you admit that if you keep doing this, you're going to get banned, which means you've been doing this long enough to understand irrespective of whether or not the women are delusional, your behaviour isn't tolerated in that space, and you keep behaving that way.

You have done this to enough women that the venue might oust you entirely, which means you know what you're doing is not accepted, and you keep doing it.

1:1 rape brain.

>>42746542
you think she doesn’t have a trans radar back?? we can clock each other easily even if we don’t use tttt silly

>>42747005
It happened only once. Just 1 incident of women falsely claiming harassment is enough to get banned in some places.
>>42747011
I really think she didn't, you people can't even clock me as a pooner on /passgen/, which is sad.

>>42747041
whoa you people?? racist…

>>42746270
I get her position, she was probably very nervous and not used to going out. It wasn't so much you as her social anxiety. Could be first time she's been outside in months

>>42746882
oh my god this jit has no male socialisation

ok women are scared talking to you
when you come to say hi you could be a rapist
instead offer to buy them a drink so they feel inclined to talk to you and take them to smoke a cig in the smoking area
there's no music so you can talk there
probably drop the I'm ftm bomb if stealth and invite them to dance from there
but how autistic do you have to be to think you didn't come off as a rapist

>>42747079
Autism or not, it's rape brain, 100%
>>42747041
Then how is one woman who might have just been overly cautious or sensitive or whatever representative of women at large? A well adjusted man would not think or be making posts like this. You're being so accidentally honest about yourself, you don't even realise it.

>>42747079
>You don't understand women, but also you are female socialized and not male socialized!
Jej.

There's no reason why a 6'2 woman who was built like that would ever think I was capable of pinning her down and raping her. Unless you want to admit that there's delusion involved.
>>42747114
Maybe she's not representative of all women but this is bound to happen again. I literally did nothing wrong.

>>42746542
You think being a pooner makes you exempt from general male creepiness?

>>42747139
What I did wasn't creepy though. What would be actually creepy is taking some people's advice here and pressuring women into socializing with me by buying them drinks just so I can fuck them.

>>42747132
Listen to the way you speak about this woman, do you hear yourself? You think being small means you can't be a fucking creep? Maybe you couldn't physically overpower her (being 6'2 doesn't mean she's strong or competent in physical combat) that doesn't mean that there aren't other gross and fucked things that a man could do to her. This is what I keep pointing at, you claim to know what it's like to be a woman, then you say things like this. This is cis man with incel little man syndrome thinking. You're think you're a harmless little guy, whilst constantly inadvertently confessing how you think women are delusional and paranoid, after you just randomly ask women if you can get their number after you ensure they're alone.

Groups go out to clubs, and then sometimes they spread out and do their own thing. Maybe a woman came with friends, and you can go "oh nice, special event or just hitting the town?" Or some shit like that. Why do you specifically try to find women that are alone? I refuse to believe that you don't understand this is creepy rapist behaviour. Even if you didn't understand it so before this thread, you've been repeatedly told by multiple people that the way you act could be interpreted as creepy, and you keep insisting it's women's fault.

>This is bound to happen again
You're already thinking like an incel rape brained pooner.

No wonder you pooned out, you just fucking hate women. Change or die

>>42747174
The fact that you can't conceptualise actually trying to have a conversation with her or interacting with her outside of having sex as "pressuring" is telling

>>42747199
I phrased this wrong but I think what I meant is clear
You can only think of talking to her as a way of extracting sex, which is default creep thinking patterns

>>42747180
The point of asking if she was alone was so that I didn't interrupt something I wasn't part of inappropriately, and so that I could meet more people in case she wasn't, i.e. she would introduce me to her friends.
>>42747199
You're assuming a lot of things here. Of course I was going to talk to her once she'd give me her number. What do you think happens when you have someone's phone number? You text and call them.

>>42747229
You talk to her before asking her number. Women want to vibe check the men that come after them. Dawg come on. These are conclusions you could have arrived at yourself if you tried to think outside of yourself. Come on

>>42747251
Being direct and honest is part of the vibe. Honestly if someone offered me drinks and was just pretending to be nice to me in order to have sex with me I'd be pissed off. I'd rather people approach me and ask directly if they're attracted. This is the sane way

>>42747269
Sane=/=social convention.
On one hand, I can respect the forward approach, but if what you're saying IS sane and self evidently true (which it isn't, but let's humour you), then the social charade of playing nice is no object - people would already implicitly know that that they're there at the club to meet new people and/or fuck, which you've also claimed, which means they'd know your intentions anyway, and that the charade of buying someone a drink or something like that is courtesy and also still implicitly a vibe check. Your refusal to co-operate with the social convention of "play nice and chat someone up a bit" is itself the weird thing.
I'm sorry for going nuts on you, but it's genuinely blowing my mind that you're not getting this.
I'm asking this seriously, are you autistic?

>>42747330
It's just better to cut straight to the point. Those memes about buying a drink are just ancient boomer memes and movie memes. It's not the reality anymore.

>>42747357
Very obviously it is, innit? Otherwise you wouldn't be here mad about how your direct part about cutting to the chase didn't work, would you? Buying someone a drink is the textbook example and might be boomer bollocks, but the principle holds true.
>cut straight to the point
Again, this is clearly not working for you, is it? Or, as you claim, it hasn't worked once, which means go ahead and keep trying it, and get back to us when it either a) works or b) gets you banned from a venue or c) you learn and admit that you were wrong.

Answer the question. Are you a retarded autismo?
If autist, learn how normies work and get with the program. if not autist, you're cooked because you are refusing to consider that you might be wrong, which is egotist moron behaviour.

>>42747269
this is what you want because you have male autism brain

>Creeping out women who are just trying to enjoy themselves
>No social cues, not understanding the dance of socialization
>Absolutely zero self awareness or desire to learn
Congrats Anon, you’re a real man after all

>>42746560
Cis men misuse pooner constantly so you are not in a spot to complain either

>>42746582
>Bro, you very obviously know this is skeevy as fuck behaviour
It was not. If he had not leave her alone, its would be a differrent topic.

>>42746270
>>42746287
I think the focus on approach is wrong.
In this space, local goth scene with regulars, you should treat it as more of a third space similar to the gens on here. Get to know the regulars gradually just by hanging out. Don't ask anyone out until you've vibed a bit and then when you do ask them out or push it'll look very different and be more organic.
Social circle game vs cold approach

>>42746993
>did nothing wrong to that woman, I immediately disengaged when she said she wasn't interested, and yet she was apparently upset enough to leave.
You are correct. You did nothing wrong.
>>42747001
She got approached and poon left as she was not interested. Not a big deal honestly.

>>42747524
the reasonable human being has logged on

>>42747132
>I literally did nothing wrong.
This. People calling you a rapists for talking to a woman and then leaving are delusional. No wonder gen z is so single

>>42746356
What do I do if I'm socially retarded to the point where I don't know if something I say is offensive or not
Like how I didn't see a problem with OP until I read the replies

>>42746270
WELCOME TO MANHOOD, IT SUCKS HERE

>>42747132
maybe you didn't do anything truly "wrong" but you are refusing to understand that it's still weird behaviour. it's simple - women are often wary around men approaching them and specifically asking if they are alone. it has bad vibes, it looks like a weird guy trying to find an isolated woman to take advantage of

you don't actually have to be that guy to act and look like that guy, even inadvertently

>>42746270
You typing out
>didn't have sex
>incel
makes it very obvious why you scared her off

>>42746270
been in a similar situation as a trans guy. asking "you alone?" is creepy as fuck, imagine if someone asked you that pre-transition. you'd feel pretty unsafe, wouldn't you? "wanna give me your number?" was also WAY too forward. you won't be banned unless she was so bothered that she told staff. better luck next time bro

ITT
>Go to the club
>Stand on your own
>Leave on your own
>Go home
>Cry
>Want to die

>>42753602
You shut your mouth, how can you say, I go about things the wrong way? I am human and I need to be loved, just like everyone else does

>>42753644
Fuck your needs
Man up
Cope
Silence yourself

>>42753655
Loooooser. I'm literally continuing the song lyrics anon dropped. Poser ass fake goth

>>42753644
Hey I'm sure you will eventually find love at some point, you'll make it i'm sure of it. Just don't see women as sex objects, that all.

>>42753718
How Soon Is Now by Morrisey since you all refuse to learn to read

>>42746270
Damn you should have talked to me.

>>42753644
love this song so much

>>42753875
Right! Much better

>>42746270
Do you know how to start a conversation?

>>42746554
She looked like jane remover didnt she

>>42754327
Her hair was straight but full, and was blond

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>>42746270
"I dance"

>>42746270
I think people may be taking the ban part of your post too seriously…
I’ve left the club before after a similar interaction. It’s just because I felt awkward and bad for the person I rejected, and I was already thinking about leaving by the time they approached. Try not to take it personally!
I do think
>you alone
Would put me on edge a bit as an opener! But you’re absolutely not Satan or anything for saying it, and if you’d know better than me if it works with your local scene.

Pitiful...
your first mistake was assuming that she was alone, that shit is creepy as fuck.
real advice: everyone can see you salivating, don't go to the club just trying to get laid. friend first, fuck later if she's feeling you. it is literally that easy.
t. goth autist ftm who somehow pulls

>>42746270
You were a bit too direct but it's hardly the social crime people in this thread make it out to be. Our culture has a strange fixation with sexual aggression, more so than with other crimes of similar or worse nature, which makes it see Ill intent in what is otherwise inoffensive, tame behavior. Words like "creep" and "incel" are thrown around with little care for their gravity, easily dehumanizing people who may be misguided but are still acting in innocence. Leave this terrible place and find some cis male friends who have some experience with this type of thing, hopefully they can help you refine your approach. You're starting to learn that being a guy isn't always easy and that it is very easy to be villainized. Be strong dude.

>>42755007
Well said. Sometimes it's hard finding rational takes on this board.

>>42755018
Why would I be friends with a girl outside of friend group situations?

My opinion of pooners has dropped significantly reading this thread

>>42755813
because women are humans too, believe it or not

>>42757260
Come on now. No one said they weren't.

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>>42746283
She's probably just a HSTS looking for a real MAN instead of a pooner like you. Dressing up as goth certainly doesn't help. Dress better next time.

>>42757286
it was in a goth club
normies don't get this but goth clubs are 50/50 in gender and everyone there is appropriately dressed up

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>>42757290
>it was in a goth club
You can't be that desperate. You do know places like that are synonymous with psych ward right? She's probably was in a hurry to back and do crack.

>>42757340
he is clearly also one of the psychwarders