Enbys and they/thems are an optics tsar bomb. Honestly it’s just started to make seeing all the detransitioners who come from the trended “I don’t need dysphoria to be trans” place as absolutely hilarious and deserving of their suffering.
>>42758924>Not saying your experience isn't validjust say it. these histrionics fucked our optics and invented the 'valid' bullshit in the first place
>>42758924the way he politely called him a retarded trender is really fucking hot, holy shit. Having the class needed to be a gentleman even while he is clearly pissed off at the pooner indirectly saying trans women are males (which would make him female)… Ftms might be hot after all.
>>42759022ftms have always been hot get with the times old lady
>>42759022He's just a pussy afraid of confrontation. Nothing hot about instagram comment arguments
>>42759037ftms have always been *cute*, but I think ftms going full chad without ditching the trans prefix before the male is a very recent thing ngl. Passoids like this guy is have no reason to say they’re trans, but he proudly calls himself a transsexual male, it’s hot.
>>42759050implying that absolute unit wouldn’t call a pooner a transtrender irl?? Maybe only to not get accused of arguing with a woman.
>>42759068>implying that absolute unit wouldn’t call a pooner a transtrender irl??Of course not. Absolutely frivolous thing to do.
>>42759081Idk anon, the two ftms I talk to seem pretty annoyed at like theyfabs and trenders, to the point they made their trans masc space an exclusive binary trans guy space and they went from doing girly ass bullshit to drinking beer and watch movies and football - i think its pretty based. Men are cool, y’know?
>>42758924Note that the ftm profile pic just looks like a man (him) sitting in a chair, whereas the pooner is using an image of a cartoon character that seems like it would be popular on tumblr with western fujos. Excellent visual storytelling.
>>42759100>doing the bare minimum masculine behaviorDo they want a cookie?
>>42759105ikrr i found this while scrolling and it made me giggle
>>42759121I think you’re being hateful because you don’t feel enough like a guy and that’s okay. I personally am MtF but growing up as a fag I still relate a lot to (queer) manhood and would probably call myself mlm (like those passing ftms who still call themselves lesbians), but I was always very very girly so I get how sometimes you feel like you aren’t enough of a male. I personally think its cool they have a space thats them doing the “bare minimum”. It’s a shame both are kinda ugly and forever jobless (by choice) because they’d probably be cool bfs if they took care of themselves and their life.
>>42758924wokely: trans women are men
>>42759383Sorry pooner, your barcode arms/thighs out you as fembrained, leave the T to the actual ftms and go back to reading yaoi. If you were actually dysphoric, you wouldn’t be offended by this.I look forward to your detransition and then becoming a terf
>>42759383y delete cute cat pic?
lol i found the pooners face he looks exactly how i imagined
>>42762250Then post it nigga, instagram posts look quite pedo-coded to me, pic related
>>42758924based chad owning the theyfabs.>>42759022real
>>42762291didnt think id need to hold your hand for this but it was in the story folder called "me"
>>42762971I’m banned from instagram (don’t ask, I don’t know why either it happened when I was trying to make an account years ago) so I can’t look at someone’s profile any deeper than their gallery. >southpark boy vampire costumeHoly fuck this is like a lab grown trender, the perfect optics nuke for trans men.
>>42758924Does the pooner think men can't feel a little feminine sometimes
>>42763136>Holy fuck this is like a lab grown trender, the perfect optics nuke for trans men.i know right?? and the real ftm's page is super malebrained, they are like polar opposites
>>42763153the pooner seems to believe that gender expression and gender identity are the same
>>42763295Ultracommon pooner L>>42763283Yeah no foolin’ this situation is a case study in real queers vs fake larpers who fetishise the idea of being different. The greatest irony is that those trying to be different are comedically stereotypical.
>>42759058yeah whenever i heard a trans person call themselves transexual i know they are the real thing for some reason that word is kyrptonite for trenders
I feel the same way that I might have been a trans woman if I were born AMAB. Not certain, but there's some sort of desire there. Fucking women is way hotter as a futa/trans woman. I'd also do ageplay and pretend to be a loli, it would be effect because many trans women have little to no tits. But if I were a gay AMAB I would not transition.
>>42764764what r u rn?
>>42764787I'm a bi strictly T4T trans man.
>>42762971ogre hands typed this seething hate post about what looks like a typical retarded 16 year old
>>42764953please point to the seething?
>>42764969baked into the act of looking this doods instagram up to shit on him
>>42764990does shitting on ppl really mean im jealous or smth? idrk what id be seething about. im just kinda an asshole sorry...
>>42765004yeah youre a gigahon orge and should kys and stop worrying about pooners
https://youtube.com/shorts/tnUGoL_S_4I?si=zEA8roYvIHWe7aIZ
>>42765794thats not very nice
>>42765852Delete this
>>42765852https://m.youtube.com/shorts/tnUGoL_S_4I?si=zEA8roYvIHWe7aIZ
>>42768701>>42765852is this the pooner in the picrel?
dam how did this thread last so long
If so many of you are complaining about pooners identifying as a different gender without requiring dysphoria, then I'm siding with insufferable pooners as an mtf. Forcing each other to pass for transphobes this way by creating requirements to "validate" people's identity just for "good optics" already creates a whole new field of social dysphoria inflicted on all of you. No amount of denial will repress this fact, that this spread of brainworms is already doing people who want you dead a favor. No disrespect to people suffering from dysphoria; having dysphoria and transitioning for it isn't the same thing as giving yourself so much perpetual brain damage out of this bizarre social act, that you proceed to mold yourselves and other people against their will all in the useless name of "optics". So insanely unaware of your consequences that it's a new form of being retarded, a deadly sociopathic form of being retarded, retard-sociopathy. Nobody should take you self-righteous thanatophiles seriously. All of you are like American Indians leaving their tribes and assimilating their identity for their faithful "optics" of white people just to fucking die off from bought property and asbestos. Plenty of benefits from their land!>YOU HAVE NO REAL DYSPHORIA BITCH YOU AINT TRANSCool, I'll always be a woman though. Have fun in your raging transmaxxing deathpit, your friends probably love you for that game.
>>42772241thats not what the post is about tho? the pooner is talking about how he'd be trans no matter what. it seems he just likes the idea of being trans even if he was born amab. it was never about being a man to him
>>42772321Here:>>42758982>>42758992>>42759121>etc etc "Our system thinks your post is spam"
>>42772338yeah i mean the pooner did say some weird shit abt wanting to be trans even if they were amab. ig u can tranisition without dysphoria so ur technically trans but idk why youd want to do that. why not just be cis? it seems so easy. you seem to know these people better do you know why they do it
>>42772369>>42772338awhh i actually wanted to learn smth
>>42772529I'm not here all day.>>42772369Having any identity in general isn't driven by only dysphoria, it's only capable of being driven by dysphoria among other things. It isn't wrong to associate how people act or "be" with a principle of enjoyment. Identity, and our choices that denote this identity, can still be produced in a positive/existential sense instead of something purely negative/empty.Being a musician for instance isn't purely driven by a lack of music, it can be simply driven by already having your own factory to create your own melodies that fulfill yourself. It starts becoming an issue when these choices become limited by other people's attitudes, that's where all the social repression starts to colonize your head and limit how you actually want to create music, because other people dictate how it should be the name of their opinion or its public reputation. My point is that it would be a huge issue if a musician laments their original creation because others give them an injunction to create something specific, that this kind of music "doesn't suffer from lack enough, therefore it isn't real".
>>42772626>Having any identity in general isn't driven by only dysphoria,ι guess i meant like euphoria with that. like theres so much social struggle in being transgender that if you dont suffer from being seen as a cis then why become trans? also if you dont feel an overwhelming push to being trans then how can you really know its right for u
>>42772671Cisgender people don't suffer from being cis, they don't feel an overwhelming push, mostly because they're already in an environment where they're able to express their identity. If we lived in a world where transgender people are accepted, and happily live their identity in an alternate world where people freely express themselves with ease, is their identity still greatly limited by dysphoria?If you situate yourself in an environment that doesn't satisfy your expression by contrast, then I believe it's better off for one to find other people to live in harmony with who do recognize it instead of intensely tending to some people's maladapted views of what your being is. Applying the notion of satisfying optics to everyone else doesn't solve every issue for this thing at all, sometimes it literally makes things worse. I'm not saying that expressing for the social status of gender in general means you aren't real; people can express themselves fine if they truly desire to satisfy their expression that the social landscape is already capable of offering. In contrast, if optics are taken to the extreme, and people beg for themselves to be "real" and do anything in their power to be considered "real" then their concrete identity is already at a deadly risk of being adapted to something that isn't themselves anymore. The fact of this matter is you can't convince anyone of something if they aren't willing to listen, needlessly attempting for other people to recognize you at the expense of yourself and other people is extremely unethical.
>>42772855I know it's a little ironic here that I'm trying to do some convincing, I still just like to rant and vent about things a little.
>>42772855>needlessly attempting for other people to recognize you at the expense of yourself and other people is extremely unethicalI mean this only with the given context as well
>>42772855absolutely incomprehensible babblejust because you feel like someone is being mean, that doesn't make them wrong
>>42772855do you see me replying to you with a fucking paragraph? are you unable to condense your point into a couple sentences
>>42773439I didn't respond to that anon because they were mean, they seemed chill lol>>42773740Not every argument is appropriate with being concise, I sometimes give my full reasoning to other people so that they can put it all under proper scrutiny.
>>42773973>Not every argument is appropriate with being concise, I sometimes give my full reasoning to other people so that they can put it all under proper scrutiny.im esl and i honestly am really lost on what u were saying but ill spend to some parts>Cisgender people don't suffer from being cisyes but thats because they are not in schism of mind and body. you force a cis person to transition and they will feel dysphoria >Applying the notion of satisfying optics to everyone else doesn't solve every issue for this thing at all, sometimes it literally makes things worse. I'm not saying that expressing for the social status of gender in general means you aren't real; people can express themselves fine if they truly desire to satisfy their expression that the social landscape is already capable of offering. In contrast, if optics are taken to the extreme, and people beg for themselves to be "real" and do anything in their power to be considered "real" then their concrete identity is already at a deadly risk of being adapted to something that isn't themselves anymore. The fact of this matter is you can't convince anyone of something if they aren't willing to listen, needlessly attempting for other people to recognize you at the expense of yourself and other people is extremely unethical.im not claiming they are trans. i think if you transition you are transgender. what im saying is that it serves you no benefit to transition if remaining cisgender doesnt bring you discomfort. being transgender is hard and opting into it for no apparent reason seems like a mistake.
>>42774087>im not claiming they are transi meant to say "im not claiming they arent trans"
>>42772369because she is cis and that's why she fundamentally doesn't understand the need to actually change one's body
