what is the single best way to increase trans acceptance in america and get it to the same level as other first world countries?
>>42759905good education, free health care. no guns
>>42759905Get rid of the cause of transphobia.
>america>first world countryPick one sis
>>42759905TLC show
>>42759905>picrelI need to move away from hungary... this place is a shithole>what is the single best way to increase trans acceptance in americajust have hot sex with them and they will love you frfr
you will never convince people to truly accept a man in a dress as a womantrans women are mentrans men are women
>>42759961it's fineee. if you pass they won't believe you even if you tell them you're a man
>>42759905wait til the GOP finds a new scapegoat so we can go back to being culturally irrelevant i guess
>>42760030I'm a perma boymoder, started hormones a few weeks ago, I'm 18 but I have 0 chance for passing, my best hope is to move somewhere else
>>42760114you're 18. it's impossible to fail
>>42760122I have a very strong body and facial hair, I have started laser but it might take a few years to remove facial hair from my face. My body hair is impossible to get rid of permanently, it would cost way too much, and I hate to shave since that makes me dysphoric. I have a really fucked face and a body of a twink. 0% of passing 100% of getting harassed
sort of pointless if you don't include figures for the US
>>42760148i literally go out in skirts, who the fuck is harassing you and for what?
>>42759905a democratic president
>>42760209People would harass me if I would try to girl mode
>>42759939they tried that with jazz jennings, if it didn't work with a gigapassoid youngshit then there's basically no hope
>>42759905Including a few delicate ultrapassers on love island, and a movie about a malebrained FTM in the army
>>42760234suuuure
>>42759905Self policing banning sex pests and hons
>>42760271>and a movie about a malebrained FTM in the armybased
>>42760248It worked in the earlier seasons. Then it became about how fat she was or something. I think they need to do one with a bunch of different trannies and show us contributing to society.
>>42759905Is the US not up there with Luxembourg?
>>42759905Countries who accept trannies don't put trannies at the forefront of their politics Once transitioning becomes viewed as political, the % of acceptance will never go above whatever % of the political parties are against it You can also take a look at countries with social acceptance of lgbt being significantly higher than their political acceptance, and there's a pretty noticeable pattern there
>>42760148Buy an at home laser treatment deviceNever pay for laser spa treatments from the getgo, the cost is insanely high for dense hair, get rid of as much hair as you can using an at home IPL/Laser. Also don't recommend laser at a spa/clinic, I suggest electrolysis for genuinely permanent hair removal, laser is like 6-12 months at best
>>42761682only euro countries are listed in the chart. Look at the bottom left.
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>>42759905Despoliticize the issueThe worst thing that ever happened to trans people was the American Left taking up "trans rights" after gay marriage was affirmed in 2015. Tons of money and political groups poured from the gay marriage movement into the trans movement and made it a thing that the right had to reflexively fight against. It doesn't help that a lot of these activists treated trans and gay as 1:1 with led them to fucked up logic and caused the anti trans backlash we're seeing today.Everything is better when nobody pays attention to us.>>42761685This
>>42759905>what is the single best way to increase trans acceptance in americawe can't follow the same playbook as previous minority groups because there aren't enough of us for everyone to have trans friends and we don't control the media. however, we do have an alternate route available to us. there aren't enough trannies for everyone to know one personally, but there are enough people with TDS for everyone to know one.transphobia as a major worldview pillar is relatively new and so people haven't had time to learn what it indicates about a person or a memeplex. they are learning that now.transphobic political coalitions will impoverish your country, derail your diplomatic relations with the rest of the world, brutalize and murder your friends and family in an attempt to farm "libs owned" clips for social media, etc. transphobes will not only defend all of this, they will berate you incessantly for not cheering it on. they will claim to be defending women's rights one moment and call to repeal the 19th amendment the next. they will accuse trans people of "grooming" while talking about how jeffrey epstein was actually cool and based and his """victims""" were mostly 16 year olds and those are basically adults right?.as people understand transphobia and its correlates better, they will learn to treat it as one would treat radioactive waste or lead-based paint or black mold. you don't have to understand transness to understand that the people who get most upset by it are people you want nothing to do with.
>>42759905Needs to go back to being framed as a medical condition, similar to intersex people. The whole non-binary thing has done a shitload of damage to the image of transgenders imo just because it's completely impenetrable as a concept to the average person, and incredibly self-contradictory depending on how you define gender
>>42761714I meant in comparison.It was also a joke, but trans acceptance should hit at least 49% though.
>>42761776~35-40% for the stats I was able to find.
>>42761776Trans acceptance is 100% for those who pass and stealthThose who don't pass will always be treated like freaks. It's just how human nature goes, look too weird or ugly and everyone hates you.
>>42761755>we don't control the media.you do control social media tho
>>42759905we have to reverse the transfer of wealth from the working class to the parasite bourgeoisie. there has been a concerted effort to keep americans stupid and divided so that we'll fight each other instead of fighting the real enemy. keeps us in prisons so we can do slave labor, keeps us uneducated and powerless so that we don't have the strength to stand up for ourselves or the knowledge to be aware of all the ways we're being screwed overhigher income inequality means 99% of people have more, means less poverty means less overtime less debt less stressors less untreated medical problems less crime less violence less drug abuse, means needs being met, higher quality of life, happier people living in better health more safely, more time for education more resources for education more educated populace means higher practical and emotional intelligence, means greater empathy, means less hatred for minority groupstl;drclass warfare (taking care of people)
>>42761831lol which social media services do we control? tumblr? bluesky? some other irrelevant fossils or political ghettos? x is owned by one of the most famously transphobic people in the world, facebook is boomercon hell, discord is turning into or always was a data-gathering palantir op, etc. etc.
>>42759905being trans has to be redefined as an actual real condition from birth, like homosexualitythe concept of gender as a social identity is basically an admission that trans people are not real and having a "trans identity" is not an innate and unchangeable condition, which repeatedly is being used in court to remove the rights of trans people in america and europe.
>>42759905Forced detransition of all trannies who aren't hot and straight
>>42761910This infectious commie bullshit politicization is exactly the problem"Trans people will have more rights once I achieve my political utopia!"Fuck off I just want to be female
>>42761773Exactly. I don't know where the fuck this stupid idea came from where it's like:>nooooooo we can't call a disorder a disorder cuz that would make them feel bad!!
>>42762108Gay marriage was a huge issue in the early 2010s that got affirmed by the supreme court in 2015. After that all the money and activism behind gay marriage switched to being trans focused and it has been a disaster ever since. These groups treat trans like it's the same as gay and it isn't, leading to shitty justifications for everything that are easy to argue against and make trans people look badLike I have a mental illness and that's ok. I take my girl pills to help with my mental illness. I'm still a real person with value. Please don't be mean to me based on my illness, that's like being mean to a disabled person, polite society doesn't do that
>>42762229>These groups treat trans like it's the same as gay and it isn't, leading to shitty justifications for everything that are easy to argue against and make trans people look badthey don't though, that's the problemif they treated being trans like an innate condition where you're born trans and it's just who you are and can't be changed, we wouldn't be in this problembeing gay is accepted as a material condition of the brain, but most of our cis "allies" including the ones who use pronouns and claim to be trans refuse to accept this and call it transphobic. The modern trans rights movement has failed specifically because we didn't treat it as a "born this way" thing, and instead made it into a social identity.
>>42762300>they don't though, that's the problemI mean that they treat it like gay insofar as gay is not regarded as a mental illness whereas gender dysphoria certainly should be. Activists see that gay was previously regarded as a mental illness and no longer is, and assume that trans is going to follow the same arc of progress.>if they treated being trans like an innate condition where you're born trans and it's just who you are and can't be changed, we wouldn't be in this problem. being gay is accepted as a material condition of the brain, but most of our cis "allies" including the ones who use pronouns and claim to be trans refuse to accept this and call it transphobic. The modern trans rights movement has failed specifically because we didn't treat it as a "born this way" thing, and instead made it into a social identity.I agree. I think a problem is that the trans movement's argument is incoherent. Sometimes it's "born this way", sometimes it's "rapid onset gender dysphoria" and the only consistent thing a normie can take away from that is "don't ask us for logic we'll tell you what's real moment to moment". We're only gonna get to the truth and present a coherent case to the public if we depoliticize transness first because desu I don't know myself where I fall on this argument.
>>42762418>sometimes it's "rapid onset gender dysphoria"which is a terf invention that trans people rejectbut the point is that "born this way" is incompatible with being trans as a social identity
>>42759905rebuild the country's entire economic system from the ground up, probably.
>>42761773I agreed with this until they used it to justify banning trannies from the military in the US. I really don’t think cis people care about framing as much as we do.
>>42762012what if they're ugly but straight
>>42762629I agree with a military ban for the most part desu. Our military shouldn't include individuals who require extra shit, be it insulin or hrt, on front lines. We can quibble about trans people in other roles, I think we're obviously well suited for tech support roles lol
>>42759922You sound like a fucking redditor when you say that. You've never been to a real third world country.>>42759905To actually answer your question OP, the real answer is high standards. What does that mean? I believe that trans people have a responsibility, even a moral obligation, to be a normal adjusted person. If you're trans and a loser NEET / autistic chud, you're part of the problem and the reason why trans people will never be accepted.>but it's not fair that I don't get to be a neet like those foids!!!Well it's not fair for us having to be born in the wrong biological body but here we are. If you're trans, you're already used to unfairness.That being said, if trans people not only made an effort to pass (not bonepill rather hygiene, fashion, makeup, and mannerisms) and if they conducted themselves in such an elegant manner exuding confidence, then trans people would be more widely accepted. By being successful, you advance the acceptance of trans people.Put it another way. When a trans person commits a crime, it is 10x worse by default when a cis person does it. When a trans person is cringe, it is 10x worse than a cis person. It's unfair but it's reality. Being trans off puts so many people that their ammunition for insults and degradation is near infinite. By not being the stereotypical discord mod tranny, you take away that ammunition. You prove the stereotype wrong.Yes, if you're trans it's your responsibility to be well adjusted so as not to set trans acceptance another decade.
>>42762523can’t do that with the far-right stakehold and the lack of a traditional socialist party in our two-party system
>>42762710tell me about it
>>42762690>most partFront line is far from the “most part”.Personally not a fan of a demographic more likely to experience employment discrimination and poverty being barred from a method of obtaining healthcare, education, experience, and a stable source of income that doesn’t involve sex work.
>>42762900Joining the military is literally just the man equivalent of becoming a stripper tbqh
I didn't personally like gays because the only exposure I had to gays was simpering feminine faggots whose only identity was "hehe I suck cocks even though I'm a man"Then I met some normal gays that also had a real identity not just faggot sexuality, so I softened my opinions on gays overall.The problem with trans is that none of you are normal, at least as far as I've seen. You're already rare, and then a normal one of you is probably so exceedingly rare that most people don't even have exposure to it. A normal trans whose entire existence isn't defined by "I switched from x to y or y to x!!" and "also I'm a sex freak degenerate" is probably out there somewhere but who knows
>>42762995also u have to consider that the normal ones will just stealth
>>42759905kill'em al and letting the (((them))) finnish it?!
>>42759961if you're hot i got a spot open here in swedeland?last twink kinda... blinked at the opportunity?
>>42762661I could accept them if they suck my cock regularly
>>42762900I think we're due for a step back in the "trans people, women, etc can do anything all the time!" discourse. We need real practical limits. That's why I relate trans to diabetes and insulin sensitivity. That person is still a real person with real value, but there a practical concerns with fielding them.Bear in mind that political discourse is not precise, it's an exhausted drunk swaying back and forth repeating the most convincing thing he heard an hour ago. In this moment he needs to hear what I'm saying, since he heard the opposite an hour ago.>>42762995Two things are contributing to this:1. Trans is in right now, so people who don't need to transition, and people who don't actually care about trans people, are getting in on the craze. This makes it annoying, like any craze.2. Paraphilias, mental illnesses, however you want to describe it, tend to group up in people. So gender dysphoric people are more like to develop other quirks, and by the nature of social media you're more likely to see the cringiest among them. There's tons of normal trans people you don't notice because if a trans person has transitioned perfectly they pass!
>>42759905maybe once AI completely destroys the internet beyond recognition, the US Christo-Fascist propaganda machine will stop being as effective. That or it becomes nothing but propaganda and we all murder each other, who knows.
>>42762692true except for the neet hate, neets don't typically bother anybody
>>42762980I actually completely agree on a physical level. But unfortunately society takes it somewhat more seriously so you at least get benefits and can use it on a resume.
>>42762418Faggotry should definitely be regarded as an illness
>>42763047>if a trans person has transitioned perfectly they pass!lmao
>>42762692tldr. grok, summarize this 4 me
>>42759905reeducatation camps for all evangelicals
>>42767689>misspelled re-educationnvm killing myself instead
>>42759905>Be normal>If you can't be normal, stop being noticed>If you can't stop being noticed, stop giving people a reason to hate youPretty much this. Go back to the 90s where you do your own thing, you don't ask and don't tell, and you outwardly live like normal citizens who aren't asking for acceptance or forced inclusion. Don't tell anyone you're not straight unless they specifically ask, and keep knowledge like that within groups of people you can trust.The mistake LGBT made was outing itself for a crumb of attention and then expecting normal society to pander to the desires of a small minority. Its going to get the browns killed or deported and it may yet get /LGBT/ killed or deported too if they're not capable of wrenching it back to a reasonable middle ground.>inb4 something something phobeYou asked and I'm telling it like it is. You not liking it is a you problem, I'm not coming back to this thread.
>>42762692>You sound like a fucking redditor when you say that. You've never been to a real third world country.does this look like a first world country to you?you've never been to a real first world country.
>>42762692I've been to real third world countries and real first world countries and America is not the worst place but it's definitely not first world anymore.
