Some neutral things I've observed as a trans man who passes. I'm sure a lot of these apply to women as well, but they are most pronounced in men.>Male friendships - as a group deal - aren't real, such a thing as brotherhood doesn't exist for the average man. Friend groups are very surface level and will betray each other for the most minor initiatives>In general, men are competitive. You can be doing great, but never better than them or they'll start to despise you. That's because their self-worth is tied up in what they make of themselves.>There's an unspoken social hierarchy and most of it is based on being athletic and sociable. Having played sports as a child and teen gives you a leap-like head start to success in life. You can be a smart and capable guy, but still rank among the lowest in the social pyramid if you aren't physically fit and radiate weakness.>For the gaydens: 80-90% of your dating pool is going to be completely gone the second you start looking "male", not "masculine". It doesn't matter whether you have a vagina, most men fundamentally don't want to touch anything that looks biologically male and that's what testosterone does. You'll be left with experimental/gay-leaning bisexuals and fetishists, which is fine>Another one for the gaydens: You're going to develop a solid gaydar over time. It has nothing to do with how someone dresses, talks or appears and all with eye contact. I can tell by one glance by now and I have never been able to do this before, with anyone of any gender. Don't confuse glances with interest though, it doesn't mean that they want to fuck you.
>>42768252What makes you think you can comment on what it is to be a man? You are a bearded lady, nothing more. Stay in your lane.
passing is a myth, you are a delusional female, show us your zipper scars or fuck off roastie
>>42768266>>42768273We live in a simulation.
>>42768286trans men are larping women, they never actually look male, there's a reason anon can only claim to look male in a place where we cannot see her actual appearance to scrutinize it
>>42768266>>42768273>>42768319samenigger
>>42768319You know, it's nice to not be in early transition anymore. I get to cure my brainworms just by looking in the mirror. Sometimes, the voices in my head tell me - in a similar fashion as your reply - that I look female and everyone must *know* that I'm a woman, then I look at my mirror reflection and a grown man with a beard shadow and tired eyes stares back at me.
>>42768354you will never be male
>>42768252Your views on men remind me of this meme>Male friendships - as a group deal - aren't realThis is true for most group friendships, but proper brotherhoods exist for men, you most likely have just not come upon them yet.I disagree with how you say it's surface level and will betray each other. I suspect that's the people you choose to hang around with, this isn't common in most well educated/upstanding men.>There's an unspoken social hierarchy and most of it is based on being athletic and sociable. Again, false, this depends on the society but social hierarchy can be based on wealth, athleticism, sociability, presentation of ones self, etc, its not just being fit and socialI'm not gay enough to be commenting on the gaydens part, but I think your view of men is quite narrow and leans towards the redpill crowd where people focus on outward appearance rather than the actual depth of a human being.
>>42768358I will never not be male. My brain is engineered around it, nothing left to chance.
>>42768375real shocker that "trans men" are just generic female-brained female misandrists in the end trying to talk shit about men
>>42768286Cope harder retard, I'm not a bot and everyone thinks the way I do. The days of your ideology cry-bullying the public into submission is over, we're done with the tranny lie.
>>42768383it's ok to be a masculine woman
>>42768375I concede to your points, however, I was simply sharing my own observations which implicates that I was commenting on the male environments around me, that I am part of.
>woman being casually misandrist>expects to be validatedGod I wish we could murder all afabs they are SO DEDICATEDLY EVIL!!!!they really think we don't know what they are trying to do
>>42768408I suggest you find a mens club (if they still exist around you) or just go to men's sheds, they generally have men that are more upstanding, albeit much older. If you pass, go there, but if you don't, respect their space and just don't barge in. Quick google search should give you a couple results. Hang out around upstanding men who were educated well and you will probably have a different view of both men and women, and you will stop seeing them solely based on gender and start seeing them on a deeper basis. People are complicated and using an oversimplified binary view of just man or woman isn't going to be accurate as to how they live their life and how they treat people around them.
>>42768408Furthermore, I made an active effort to post about the negative-leaning observations because there's not point to repeat common positive points.>>42768385Which makes this criticism obsolute, someone who chooses to become male cannot hate men or masculinity. The fact that I had to cherrypick those situations proves this. If anything, ftms might as well be described as ultimately homoerotic (not to be confused with being homosexual, straight homoeroticism is a virtue society is built upon).
>>42768436*obsolete
>>42768429Nothing misandrist about the post. I truly wonder what's going on in that head of yours. How can someone be that sensitive? I posted it mainly with reppers/pre transitioners in mind, because knowledge like this would've been helpful back when I was still in their shoes. Whether some rando "disagrees" with lived experience is none of my concern ultimately.
>>42768252You are right about male friendships, I could never bond with them properly for many reasons but one was that you have to lose your individuality to be accepted, they compete for anything, from who's the best at running to who wins the most yugioh duels.You can never do better than them or they'll feel threatened, they'll even make up their own excuses and fake scenarios to make themselves feel better, and don't you dare to refuse to indulge the group Leader's petty requests or everyone else will turn on you, it's all superficial and they'll endure anything just to not feel alone, I honestly feel bad for men.
>>42768252trans men be like: I’m a misandrist and I hate all """real""" men, look at me women I’m still one of you, I will NEVER be a man, I hate men sooo much! WHAT DO YOU MEAN I’M NOT WELCOME IN GAY CLUBS AND MALE SPACES?!
>>42768515murder all foids and foid worshippersthey are the worst part of societykill them allshoot themstab themmake them bleedthey hate us for being male, get rid of them all
Congrats for the out of touch thread retard now the shartyfags that have infiltrated the board will think FTMs actually believe this
>>42768515>>42768530>>42768540He's right tho, male friendship is fake.
>>42768408Your post honestly reads like someone who has not been accepted/ properly integrated into male social circles. Competing with your friends and feeling inferior for lack of athleticism are things most guys grow out of by 13. I think you’re projecting by assuming yours is the standard male experience
>>42768511>competing over yugioh and running the fastest>says group leaderAre you 12 years old?
>>42768252Honestly i thibk a lot of these are why i became a trans women. I fucking hate how men socialize with each other its so fake and overly competitive for no reason. They act like fucking cavemen who get overly mad at fucking valorant or football or some bullshit. Its like there all waiting for an excuse to bear the shit out of someone
>>42768654No, but a former stem student, actually, they are almost 40 and still dedicate their time to that, still competing about who's the biggest weeaboo
>>42768515>>42768530I have a feel that you read too much into my post to confirm your own bias. Only low iq people believe that stating the obvious means hating someone.>>42768540The sharty is full of ftms.>>42768433Thanks for the suggestion. Everyone around me is pretty young, including myself. We don't really have men's clubs here, that's more of a British thing. We have clubs about traditionally masculine activites, however. Not that likely to find women there. Or immigrants, for that matter.>>42768630I did not claim it was the standard male experience. You seem to suggest that it is the standard male experience for adolescent men or boys. I would argue that low class men don't grow out of it, without intending to demean them, since I'm obviously one of them.
>>42768698I can understand why being a man seems unappealing if your friends are autistic slobs obsessed with childrens TV. Most men don’t get stuck as man-children
>>42768714What does the phrase “low class” mean in this instance? Do you think laboring men are emotionally underdeveloped?
>>42768714I have a feel that you were not male at any point in your life, people don’t see you as one either, you think male friendship is fake because they refuse to bond with a female on testosterone who is fembrained on top of it, and you’re blaming men for it - while coming to criticise them behind their backs because you’re too much of a pussy to do anything about your “male friendships”. Maybe if you actually start behaving and looking like a man, or at least try to have the lived experience of one, guys would actually want to hang out without it seeming fake and you needing to generalise a whole sex for not liking to hang out with the opposite sex is what is probably their private time for friends of the same sex. It’s insane how I’ve never met an FTM with cis male friends, but MTFs seem to bond with males and females, cis or trans. Maybe that terf socialisation fucks your head up good.
>>42768740>Do you think laboring men are emotionally underdeveloped?Is that a trick question? Someone who comes from that background and/or works 12-16 hour physical labour shifts rarely has the time for deep introspection and being around men who couldn't get any other job for a reason (that being either poverty or an inability to understand abstraction) would stunt anyone's development.
>>42768810Also, comparing yourself/ competing with your friends is complete insecure loser shit. Most male humor revolves around reminding your friends to stay stoic and grounded and not allow their insecurities to manifest in an embarrassing, anti-social way
>>42768810You're wrong about pretty much all of this. In fact, what inspired me to write the thing about the male friend groups was what happened to a good friend of mine - a cis man - who had a girlfriend who'd go on to sleep with every single male friend in his friend group, and none of them ever told them. It came out years after and ruined him. I hang out with men my age all the time, and they usually are the ones to invite me. However, I'm going to admit that I keep my distance since I simply cannot allow people to get too close to me because I do not want them to become aware of me being trans.
>>42768841*, and none of them ever told him.
>>42768252I doubt you would know what working 12-16 hours is like, since most American men work 8 hours. This is honestly just classism. It doesn’t take schooling to be emotionally regulated in the same way it does to learn physics. Competition among working people is a consequence of class conflict and the mode of production, not a hierarchical desire to outcompete like in American Psycho
>>42768826I can’t even speak for cishet men because I was a twink athlete before transitioning, but even with my gay friends I’m still very much """close""" with (in a sexual way), our hang outs aren’t dick measuring contests, it’s just talking about what’s new in our lives, we cuddle up, we drink, we aren’t here saying this shit. And holy shit, “gaydens, you will have a gay radar” is so fucking insane, I’m really sorry but that’s not how it works, foids just assume any guy who’s not a jock is gay and the funniest part is that the jocks ARE USUALLY THE GAY ONES. OP’s post just such a wall of “I’m a female who doesn’t understand male brotherhood” repeated over and over again.
>>42768826>Most male humor revolves around reminding your friends to stay stoic and groundedThis is complete bullshit>not allow their insecurities to manifest in an embarrassing wayThat is true, and it's speak for: They're definitely going to desert you if anything terrible happens to you and you can't keep the nonchalant act up anymore. Stoicism is for literal cucks btw. You're only giving my original post more credits than it initially deserved desu
>>42768841Right right… And let me guess anon, they were all black too? Please fuck off with your cuck porn fetish scenarios as a way to criticise men lmao.
>>42768863No. If you have strong male friendship based on shared experience, values, and trust, you can ask your friends to cut the jokes and help you authentically address your problems. If you cannot do this, it is because you don’t understand guys humor and can’t hang. If getting teased by your friends for being a pussy or an autist makes you feel incapable of emotional closeness with men then your perspective would make sense. My advice: man up
>>42768859I'm an Europoor.>>42768860It's like you're intentionally misunderstanding and misinterpreting the post for bizarre reasons unknown to me
>>42768841Holy larp. Did you go to Euphoria high school?
>>42768872>And let me guess anon, they were all black too?From what he told me, I would've assumed they were white. Please, I don't have cuck fantasies. My life is cucked enough with no dick already.
>>42768899This didn't happen in a high-school. The people involved were all adults, which somehow makes it worse.
>>42768891Maybe you’re right then. I only am really familiar with germanic and latin cultures
>>42768889>or an autist makes you feel incapable of emotional closeness with menThat would be the most true out of all the assumptions about me ITT. I don't really get teased. With old 4chanfag friends, hazing was a standard thing and I loved it as much as them, but we grew apart. In the real world, the hazing is a lot more soft and timid.
>>42768714I also have to go back on the >I did not claim it was the standard male experienceI did claim it was like that for the average man. My bad for being a selfcentered little shit desu. All I mentioned in the OP still holds true for my own environment, but it certainly can be different for others.
>>42768724Other friend groups were basically the same, musicians, athletes, plastic artists, real "friendship" doesn't exist and it's always based on convenience.
I've spent time in both all male and all female spaces and they're both toxic just in slightly different ways. That said, I agree with OP about male friendship but not necessarily because men always betray and compete with each other but because, for whatever reason, guys don't prioritize friendships in the same way women do.
