Any other trannies into spirituality? I try to pray at every meal, and thank the universe for all the love and joy and beauty that I’m lucky enough to experience. I also thank god for the ability to transition and become my best self. I’ve been trying to focus on happy mindset and do everything with intention to honoring the divine. Even though I slip up sometimes and get all negative and sad, life is a learning process and I’m striving to do better :)
>>42770952It's been said that religion is to trans what theater is to gay. Gays spend so much of their life pretending to be straight that they get good at pretending. Trans women spend so much of their time praying to be fixed that we get good at praying.
>>42771008I dont pray to be fixed, I’m a transgender woman and thats okay. I thank the divine that I was able to transition.
I am, depending on what you mean. I used to be more occult but I've gotten into more mainstream zen of late.>>42771008yeah..
>>42771088based, I’ve been listening to a bunch of stuff from ram dass recently about being present and living in the now ect
>>42771106Ooh, I don't think I'm familiar yet. I've been listening to the zen studies podcast
>>42770952>>42771008god hates fags thougheverbeit
>>42770952I’m a total materialist.
>>42771214>I'm wrongweird flex but okay
>>42770952Yes. Transition literally made me believe in the divine. I prayed for guidance and I believe I received actual signs. Im transitioning and God is on my side, which is not something I would ever expect lol
>>42771276The material world is all that exists.
>>42771536How do you know?
>>42771536take a walk in the woods and look at the beautiful flowers and trees and bugs and birds
>>42770952ngl being in narcotics anonymous kinda forced my hand here
>>42770952yes but im too schizo to talk about it outside of /x/ and i hate religion too much to actually follow an organized religion >grew up in a Hindu cult >converted to Buddhism and it made my ocd and literally entire outlook on life severely worse and it kind of still is, it genuinely removed my hope in existence itself >had a reddit Taoism phase and like Chinese people a lot more because of it but I realize it's mostly about complex magic systems and tradition and exorcisms and things that I have no actual cultural familiarity with aside from what is shared from Buddhism or Hinduism into Chinese culture my main spirituality now is my own personal beliefs. i also actually believe in the gen z new agey angel numbers & lightworking stuff and have gotten lots of signs through the "angel numbers" stuff but i have no idea what is really going on above.
No, religion and spirituality are some of the biggest adversaries of trans people.
>>42771600I know that the material world is all that exists because the statement “something immaterial exists” is meaningless.>>42771631Flowers, trees, bugs, and birds are all material entities.
>>42771909>the statement “something immaterial exists” is meaningless.Okay but how do you know that?
>>42771889Based, I think the best thing is always pulling the good from multiple religions and forming your own belief system and personal connection with god, whatever that means to you. Too many people practice spirituality as an absolute and if you dont practice the exact way they do you’re wrong, every relationship with the divine is unique.
>>42771889tldr of the angel numbers stuff is that seeing repeating number combinations (like 777) or combinations like when it's 8:28 pm and my phone battery is at 82% at the same time is actually signs that have meanings, there's a site by Joanne Walmsley that shows up when you look up the meanings of the numbers. a lot of them are very specific especially the ones that are combinations of 2 different numbers. i know this sounds weird but its really common among gen zs and got popular during 2020 and even 2 soundcloud rappers i know also believe in it (yuke and Thaiboy Digital). personally i don't believe it's actual angels from Abrahamic religions sending these messages and i believe its gods or some other kind of higher beings.
>>42771943you see a lot of numbers on a daily basis, nona. it's kind of a statistical inevitability that you'll see the same number over and over again, or even in multiple places at the same time.
>>42771909If you merely see them as objects, you aren’t looking deep enough. Everything is the same at a base level. God is love, love is in all things, the connection of all things, and creation, things that do not exist physically exist, Joy, Boredom ect.
>>42771906What makes you say this?
>>42771937>Too many people practice spirituality as an absolute and if you dont practice the exact way they do you’re wrong yeah this is especially bad if its a religion with beliefs that are upsetting like Buddhism. studying and believing in Buddhism seriously made me legitimately lose all of my hope in existence itself because it is so pessimistic and literally claims the only solution to reality is becoming nothing and erasing your own existence. i think the term they use is "final extinguishment". i also have a lot of severe religious trauma from Hinduism especially because the cult i grew up in (ISKCON) is particularly fanatical and different from other schools of Hinduism. they are also known for severe scandals including child sexual abuse and for really awful internal abuse of power.
>>42771931I know that the statement “something immaterial exists” is meaningless because I understand what each word in that sentence means and the ways in which the arrangement of words in a sentence in the English language create meaning.>>42771985>Everything is the same at a base level.What does “at a base level” mean? Be specific.>Goddoes not exist.>love is in all thingsFalse.>things that do not exist physically existThis statement is meaningless.>Joy, Boredom ect. [sic]Of course emotions (and other mental states, for that matter) exist. However, their existence does not prove that any immaterial thing exists, as such a claim is meaningless. Mental states are qualities of biological phenomena.
>>42771955yeah idk. it just helps me feel reassured sometimes and i also am curious when it's the more rare ones like when my phone battery is the same 2 digit number combination as the time so i always look it up. i lost a lot of my faith in spirituality though recently when i was in the psych ward for planning a suicide attempt and had to go to the psychosis unit because there were no other available beds in the entire hospital, and as soon as i fell asleep in there, which was during the daytime by the way, i immediately had a nightmare that some scary-looking evil spirit molested me and it made me involuntarily have a wet dream. it was so unpleasant and disturbing. i even slightly remember what it looked like, it looked kind of like the demon in the protagonist of Sayonara wo Oshiete's nightmare in the beginning scenes of the game. when i remember its appearance and presence it reminds me of how seeing really disturbing rule 34 cartoon porn on the internet when i was a kid felt. or how that weird style of hentai where everything is drawn really shiny felt. it has a really strong animalistic/ferocious lust feeling but in a really creepy and unusual way. it doesn't feel the same way as lust when i actually had sex as a teenager and young adult.
>>42772067i mentioned the psychosis unit part because i believe people with schizophrenia aren't "hallucinating" and they are really seeing entities that are harassing them. something that also made me believe this was reading someone on reddit say their hallucinations were basically just an auditory version of their ocd intrusive thoughts, and i have severe ocd and a lot of my intrusive thoughts are basically like if a malicious person was telling me stuff but just mentally. so i think it's real. my father also very likely has paranoid schizophrenia and said there's a ghost in our house and he saw it. A Korean shaman on youtube also said that some of his clients come to him when they have problems like hearing things. I'm not a Buddhist anymore (because of the reasons I explained in >>42772003) but there was a Buddhist monk on youtube who also described that sometimes people came to him asking for help because they were feeling like they're being touched and i think he might have also said they were hearing things after urinating somewhere where a land god lived. The method he advised for protection in the video also was apparently controversial and part of some huge political debate in the Vajrayana Buddhist community among Tibetan and Chinese practitioners, I don't really know about but I read something that made it seem like it's really complicated. I mentioned that because if you use that method you might be getting involved with something complicated and it might cause problems for you.
>>42772044>because I understandSo it's not actually about the sentence, it's about your understanding of the sentence. You have ascribed meaning and non-meaning to words in combination. That is, in itself, an immaterial process. It is a purely mental process that takes place FIRST. The fundamental building block of the universe is not the atom, it is the mind, which sits at the very center of the universe and gives it meaning. Everything else is subordinate to that. All science begins with observation, and all reason begins with two seperate but equally important acts of faith for which there can be no proof. -the universe of my senses is real-the basis of truth is reasonSagan in the garage with the invisible dragon has unshakable faith in both of these, even though they both have no possibility of experimental proof just like the invisible dragon. So you see nonny, you're not actually a materialist. You're an idealist who imagines she's a materialist but could not possibly be one, because it is actually impossible to be a materialist.
>>42772044>Everything is the same at a base level.originating from the same point, creation.>God does not exist.False.>love is in all things.True tryna have the “you cant prove it” conversation is useless. Neither side can prove the other wrong, when you reach a point where you feel that connection with god you will understand. Some people don’t because they aren’t willing to let go of their stubborn thought patterns and thats fine too.
>>42772143Holy fucking based
>>42772143>How Can Mirrors Be Real If Our Eyes Aren't Real
>>42772143>You have ascribed meaning and non-meaning to words in combination.Yes, and? This doesn’t disprove any of the claims that I have made. I have ascribed meaning to linguistic utterances in accordance with the syntactic norms of Standard English, not arbitrarily.If you think that meaning can exist independently of a sign or sign process, you are either naïve, delusional, or in denial.>That is, in itself, an immaterial process. It is a purely mental process…All mental activities are qualities of biological phenomena.>…that takes place FIRST.Takes place before what?>The fundamental building block of the universe is … the mindFalse. Mind is a quality of certain biological phenomena. Matter is billions of years older than mind.>the mind … sits at the … center of the universeFalse. Mind is a quality of certain biological phenomena.>the mind … gives [the universe] meaningTrue. Meaning does not inhere in mind-independent entities or states of affairs, human beings assign meaning to them.>Everything else is subordinate to [mind].What does it mean, in this context, for something to be “subordinate to” mind? Be specific.>All science begins with observationYes, which is why “something immaterial exists” is not a scientific claim.>you're not actually a materialist.A materialist is one who believes that the material world is all that exists.I am one who believes that the material world is all that exists.Therefore, I am a materialist.You can write whatever nonsense you like, but it won’t prove that I’m not a materialist. You can’t prove that I’m not a materialist, because I am a materialist.>it is … impossible to be a materialist.False. I am a materialist.
>>42772161>originating from the same point, creation.“Creation” implies a creator, which does not exist and has never existed. Therefore, creation does not exist and has never existed.>>God does not exist.True.>>love is in all things.False. Love is a property of certain biological phenomena. Love does not exist outside of the skins of animals.>Neither side can prove the other wrongFalse; I have already proven that the material world is all that exists (see >>427719090).
>>42772805(I meant >>42771909, obviously. Stupid keyboard.)
>>42772780You are simply disproved by the act of force. You are weak and would not be able to defend yourself.
>>42772805>"Creation" implies a creatornta but no it doesn't unless you're trying to pull some annoying hairsplitting, stuff is created without creatorsall the time, like snowflakes from dirt and ice. more to the point our best scientific understanding of the universe (big bang/lambda cdm) includes a "starting point"/origin without invoking a creator, the creation "point" is just as far back as we can ostensibly predict and your guess is as good as any as to what "before" was or if before even makes sense as a concept
>>42772780>this doesn’t disprove any of the claims that I have madeI know, it's the basis of them, that's the point. >All mental activities are qualities of biological phenomena.>Mind is a quality of certain biological phenomena. >Matter is billions of years older than mind.How do YOU know these things?>A materialist is one who believes that the material world is all that exists.The materialist in that sentence is the observer of the material world. Your understanding of the world begins FIRST with you observing it. The basis of materialism proves the existence of the universe as a purely material thing by assuming away the materialists observation of it, which is absurd. There is the universe, and then there is the observation of it, these two things are seperate. The observer, the existence of which is necessary for any science to take place, from the human genome project to a baby putting things in its mouth to find out what they taste like, is YOU. It's ALWAYS you. Everything you know comes from this.YOU are a immaterial phenomenon. You have conjured a model of the material universe without YOU in it, but if you're not in it then how was the model conjured? How can YOU know anything at all without first observing the universe as something seperate to you?That's why the mind comes first, it's what makes the material universe material. Without that it's all just an invisble dragon in Carl Sagan's garage, whether it exists or not just doesn't matter. It's an unfalsifiable claim. >I am a materialist.False. Because a materialist is not something you can actually be. It is simply not possible to hold all the necessary beliefs of materialism at the same time and still exist.
>>42772869>nta but no it doesn't unless you're trying to pull some annoying hairsplittingYou’re right, nona. I made an mistake there.>your guess is as good as any as to what "before" was or if before even makes sense as a conceptTalk of a time “before” time is nonsensical.
>>42772968I am a materialist.
i don’t believe in an abrahamic religion but i do believe that god is in everything even me
>>42773006You are wrong. And the irony of that is delicious. God has a wicked sense of humour once you get the joke.
>>42772141i think you should consider whether this is truly the best conclusion you can draw about how the world works from the evidence available to you, or whether this perspective is more a result of it serving a specific purpose for you. to me, hallucinations are much more easily explained as just being... hallucinations. is there a specific reason you think it's more likely that people's hallucinations are on some level 'real' or come from outside themselves?
>>42770952wowzers
>>42772968nta but i dont understand how our senses being all the information available to us means we cant still be part of a material universe. are you saying that materialism doesnt make room for subjective experience? i wonder about that, but idk i dont see how its fundamentally incompatible.
>>42773031I am a materialist. None of your ridiculous arguments will change this fact.>God has a wicked sense of humourNo, he doesn’t, because he does not exist.>>42773085Exactly. All mental states are qualities of certain biological phenomena. Therefore, the fact that all of our knowledge of the world is derived from our observations of it does not disprove materialism. (What the hell else could it possibly be derived from? Idiot.) >>42772143, >>42772968has failed to disprove materialism. “bUt HoW dO yOu KnOw??” is not an argument.
>>42773058>is there a specific reason you think it's more likely that people's hallucinations are on some level 'real' or come from outside themselves? i already mentioned it, Korean shamans have clients who come to them when they have issues such as hearing things. i just naturally believe in this.
>>42773085So the key there is >our sensesYour senses are something that belongs to you, but they are not you. They are the thing you observe with, but they're not actually doing the observing, you are. And this is the basis of the scientific going all the way back to Descartes meditations with "I think therefore I am" and has not been in any way overturned. If you want to do real physics you have to understand what this means and the role you are playing in every experiment. So this is going back to the two leaps of faith, to establish the existence of an objective universe you must first assume the universe is as you observe it to be, in which case it's not objective is subjective to your experience of it, in the first experiment we've aldready disproven it. I think the reason materialism has become such a persistent delusion in society is because of the way we teach science to children. We don't teach the method, we just teach the result. So for most people science is just factoids on the internet rather than the means by which knowledge is acquired. So it kind of creates a sense that our relationship with creation is second hand, scientist with microscopes and large hadron colliders and stuff will experience the universe for us and then tell us what they experienced because they're trained to experience the universe. But part of that of that training means realizing that your experience of the universe is always subjective, that the experimentER is always having an effect on the experimentED. "What we observe is not nature itself, but nature exposed to our method of questioning." - Werner Heisenberg
>>42773189>It is because I say it isYou're not even making an argument at this point, you're just declaring your faith without any thought.
>>42773238well, people coming to them doesn't necessarily translate to it actually working... plus they could just also be using normal therapeutic techniques alongside it, and it could be partially psychosomatic. i feel like if spirits existed there would be hard scientific proof of them by now, i guess. is that crazy?
>>42773292it is what it is, just do what works for you
>>42772968By the same logic, one could argue that the baby you mention doesn't exist either. Why? Because only the memory of the baby exists. How must it be that you were necessarily a baby before you were an adult?
>>42773290>>It is because I say it isI have not made this claim.>you're just declaring your faithI have no faith.
>>42773258well i can't be certain the universe is as i observe it to be, but idk i don't see why it's an unreasonable assumption? nothing is certain, but i'm making the most of the information available to me i feel like. and if its all some crazy illusion or whatever... so what? it doesn't seem like it would have any tangible effect on the universe because there is no good evidence of anything supernatural, so if i can't come to a conclusion about its existence with any of the information available to me i just dont gaf. it's unknowable, what is there to sit here thinking about? i don't deny that my experience is subjective. it is for that reason that i can never be *certain* in my beliefs, but im pretty comfortable with them.
>>42773323So that's starting to question the fundamental assumptions. Which is, I think, a healthy thing to do as long as you don't waste the rest of your life on it. But it's not really what I'm talking about.
>>42773337Yeah, that's all reasonable. Solipsism, which is rejecting the assumption that the universe is as we experience it to be, is perfectly reasonable, it's just boring. Like great, you've reached a place of pure reason, how long you hang around for is up to, I'll be over here trying to figure out how to grow my tits.
>>42770952formally i'm catholic but i have this obsession that i don't fully understand what i believe in or i haven't had the right experience to connect with christ. i'm scared to go to church because i don't want to worship based on values i haven't internalized and i'm scared of doing it wrong. recently ai progress has been making me more spiritual honestly and has made me think of a potential singularity as the day of judgement. i think maybe i'm not ready to deeply believe in christ yet
>>42773380idk, i guess i just want to know the truth. and coming to this worldview and thinking through it has honestly reshaped my thinking on like morality for the better i think. im still very clueless about a whole lot, but idk i feel like i've come to some conclusions that im happy with and that make sense to me and that explain what i see. and if i wanted to grow my tits, i'd maybe try prog if you haven't already.
