youre not allowed to be alternative if you're ftmcis women? allowedtrans women? allowedcis men? allowedtrans men? um no sweetie you cant wear accessories or listen to metal thats trender shityoure just literally not allowedif you were a cis man it would be acceptable
>>42773660I don't say that
>>42773660ive seen emo ftms who pull it off well. i think the issue with ftms is they pick feminine fashion and it makes them super clocky
It’s bc most cis men are basic ass Joe’s. You wanna pass like one, wellll it is what it is. I’ve seen cis guys ik get she/her’ed over having long hair and wearing emo outfits. You have to be a megatwinkpoon to get away with it lol.
>>42773660Trans men are expected to hold up masculine norms more than cis men are, which in a way makes them more man than cis men.
>>42773660you're not a trender because you want to wear alternative clothes, you're a trender because instead of just doing what you want like a man would you're seething about it posting scene girl furry cartoons
>>42773723i transitioned 18 years ago lol
>>42773731and you're still acting like a woman
Wrong, cis men aren't allowed to be alt, cringecel.
>>42773731so you're in your thirties or something and posting vivziepop cartoon reaction images like someone born in 2011? jesus
>>42773787It's the modern day, woke equivalent of a morbidly obese, 40 year old man with an anime girl profile picture.
>>42773805i would've been like that dude at 40 if i kept on repping tbhon
>>42773743by what measure>>42773787hazbin hotel started as a pilot very long ago and most of the fans are from that i doubt they are still teenagers
>>42773851Not at all. He doesn't want to be the anime girl, he wants to rape the anime girl.
this is a good observation anon. here is a relevant hazbin hotel image for your post.
>>42773853>by what measurelike they said, seething about accessorizing instead of just doing it. posting vivzie cartoons aren't helping your case either
>>42773905everyone i know who watches it is a cis male
>>42774122everyone i know who watches it is queer js
>>42773660you can you just need to accept that you're larping as an emo guy from 2000 even though you were -10 years old at that time>>42773749kill yourself
>>42773660I listen to metal."Alt" and "emo" shit has nothing to do with metal, you're just an ugly attention whore. You don't even need to be masculine just be normal.
>>42773722That is fundamentally untrueWe love transmen no matter what because they're cute afabs!!
>>42774268im literally 37 years old>>42774298metal is alt wtf are you talking about
>>42774478No, it isn't.
>>42774478Metalheads are not alt, a dirty, greasy dude in a band t shirt and jeans isn’t alt, he’s an incel.
>>42774486>>42774489metal was always considered an alternative scene and its strange that ur claiming otherwise
>>42774530>wasYou're old, the world will continue to change even if you don't notice or care.
>>42775199like since when was metal not alternative lol? why is it suddenly not? i can look this up anywhere and it contradicts you, i dont get it?
>>42773660is the problem them being alternative or being alternative women in style? Because alternative men also dress like men, excluding femboys. And good luck being a femboy with female anatomy, that just looks like a woman anon...
>>42775219Lying old faggot
its interesting how mtfs try to make themselves look as feminine as they can to hide their maleness while ftms dont do that and instead dress in ways that no cis men do and end up looking like cis women
>>42775289I wouldn’t say this is a trans men problem and rather the theyfabs they just allow to coexist in their spaces. Amab NBs don’t go to trans woman spaces for a reason, but afab entitlement makes them think they are always valid wherever they go. It’s why most trutrans men just go stealth and seem to hate the community (I would too).
>>42775279heres a reddit comment from 2 days ago that i just happened to come across randomly today that lists metal as alternativenigga you're gaslighting i dont quite understand the point of you saying this
>>42775300even trans men on testosterone still commonly do things like dyeing their hair in bright colors, having many piercings, and dressing in ways that vast majority of cis men dont. its not only theyfabs.
>>42773660Being """""alternative""""" is overrated garbage.How comes having ugly lumps of metal perforating your skin is mandatory?Disgusting!
>>42775359But you’ll notice those are all he/“they” - they are simply theyfabs who got on testosterone. They have no desire to be male and continue to identify themselves with female spaces (and yes, to them trans man spaces count as female spaces) even after looking like the most normal guy ever. Then they detrans and try taking actual trans people’s hrt because it didn’t make them a twink or a trans woman lol.
>>42775359piercings arent a particularly feminine thing
>>42773660So lemme get this straight!You have the upper middle class disease, but are not allowed to participate in upper middle class youth activities?That's rough, buddy. You first worlders have it real rough.
>>42775384Piercings are definitely a feminine thing anon, specially in appearance. They make cis men go to soft boys if not overdone. Like, I always looked kinda fem even before transitioning, but after mine I feel like I look even more like a chick.
>>42773722>rans men are expected to hold up masculine norms more than cis men arelol, lmao even
>>42775395the only 2 piercings that lean feminine are earlobes and septum, the rest arent and if you have other piercings in combination with those two it cancels out
>>42775416nta but no, most people consider all piercings a fem thingwhy do you think people think that guy who got earring are fags
>>42775444thats what i said, earlobes are considered feminine, thats about it though
>>42775449>thats about it thoughno, you're delusional if you really think that
>>42775416delulu poon
>>42775416You’re crazy bro, I got a septum and a nostril and I wanna get bites maybe and every guy says how cute my piercings are, even before dreaming I’m a tranny. Piercings are a cheat for femininity and you’re crazy if u think any form of metal in your face is masculine. Modern masculinity is defined by the simplicity in your natural body being already beautiful (which as a faggot, men loving tranny I very much agree with). While being feminine is experimenting with yourself.
>>42775501>something is cute on a woman>something is cool on a manthis applies to many other things as welljust because someone said something was cute on you that doesnt mean its feminine
>>42773660Metalhead guys and metalhead chicks don't wear the same clothes or accessories. 99% of the time metalhead ftms wear women's clothes and accessories.
>>42775521Straight men don’t say stuff is cute on what they perceive as women for no reason lol. It’s cute on me because it’s a feminine accessory on top of an already feminine person. This is not a hard concept to grasp. Most piercings feminize the faces of FtMs for a reason anon.
>>42775545would you tell that guy his piercings look cutehttps://www.threads.com/@andrejko.epta/post/DUTGJ1pja1B
>>42775555This is a cis man, and instantly your argument falls flat because they are masculine by nature, unlike FtMs who have to masculinise themselves (or try, at least). You also missed the part where I before mentioned >They make cis men go to soft boys if not overdoneObviously the mixture of tattoos and overdo of piercings makes him look weird as shit, but still masculine because he’s a cis man. It’s not the same for you. You can also look more “masculine” if you pierce every zone of your face, but it goes uncanny valley rather than man.
>>42775569so a ftm who is masculine has no problems with piercings then
>>42775569his body mods add to his masculinity, not soften it
>>42775574Yeah, he’ll look like a soft boy, aka more feminine than he would without them, which was the whole point. Btw, this has nothing to do with OP’s point of FtMs thinking they can wear women’s fashion (which is what they think is alt, not knowing alt men’s fashion exists) and still be treated as men. Manhood as an afab is an acquired things, it’s not a given or expected, and if you want to be a “male” you have to play the part anon.
>>42775582>They make cis men go to soft boys if not overdoneYou keep missing this part. And now we went from just piercings to just body mods because you are moving the goalposts.
>>42775569>This is a cis man, and instantly your argument falls flat because they are masculine by nature, unlike FtMsActually he, Emilio Gonzalez, is a trans man.Your entire argument, obliterated.
>>42775555he barely look human
>>42775597Okay, that doesn’t really nuke my argument either, because I also said>You can also look more “masculine” if you pierce every zone of your face, but it goes uncanny valley rather than man.so it also proves my point of it lol.
>>42775604He doesn't even have many facial piercings at all, only a couple.
>>42775597nta but you got any proof of that? there is literally nothing on his profiles saying that
>>42775588no? if a trans man looked masculine he wouldn't have a problem with piercings, piercings don't make masculine men look more feminine
>>42775610Yeah, but he has a masculine build, a masculine “hairstyle” and has his face full of tattoos, all which make him male by society’s eyes. As I mentioned before, too many ugly piercings loops back to masculinity because “women don’t ruin themselves” (which is something non dysphoric FtMs also have btw, there was a discussion on twitter about it like two weeks ago). The only way someone that ugly (by societal standards) could be considered female by anyone (aka the most deranged terfs) is if he was like 4’10 or something anon.
>>42775624Piercings make cis men look more feminine, and especially more queer, to the point it is often a “sign” for gay men to find each other. This really is not the point you want to be making hun.
>>42775629so if a ftm had a masculine build, masculine face, masculine hair its fine
>>42775633You’re forgetting the face full of tattoos, but again OP’s point was that they are entitled to be seen as men while dressing like alternative women. If you wanna dress like an alternative *guy* does and you actually pass as one while also wearing makeup and what not, this really isn’t anyone’s problem. At most you’ll get called a faggot, but not a woman.
>>42775597>is a trans man.why even lie lmao
>>42775640where did op say that he wanted to dress as an alternative woman rather than an alternative man
>>42775646It was implied. If he wanted to dress like an alternative man does, and especially if he still got perceived as one no one would care.
>>42775646I think OP's concerns aren't about whether or not he passes, but rather how it's received *when it's made known that he's transgender*, such as online in a thread like this where one might say he is a trans man in an alternative scene.
>>42775658See >>42775664. OP is probably concerned with backlash in situations where it was made known that he was trans and alt at the same time.
>>42773713This is cope lol if you only pass wearing plain boring clothes you don't pass that well at all. You should aim to pass with a dress on even if that's not what you choose to wear
>>42775674This seems like a weird way to put it, if he actually wanted to dress masculine and still be alt no one in alt scenes especially would give a fuck - unless he’s going to fucking skinhead punk shows, but at that point it’s a skill issue on his part and not mine.
>>42775315>reddit unironically Mostly bots there btw
>>42775683The backlash would come from outside of the scene obviously. You can see he gets a lot of shit for even throwing the idea out there on this very thread.
>>42775697I'm NTA but I'm pretty sure metal is under the alternative umbrella.
>>42775698What I’m about to say may sound mean, but no one truly gives a fuck about what FtMs do except for the terfs that wanna detrans them. You are giving too much importance to a very small vocal minority. Women (as in females) could always dress masculine (always as in nowadays lol), while it’s MtFs who are under fire for breathing too loud. You are genuinely free to live your alt life, I promise you.
>>42774478Metal became normie-like a long time ago, if you whip up a gymbros playlist chances are they have a couple metal songs. Only trve metal fags I see nowdays are balding men in their 40s
>>42775416There's a reason the pooner caricature has exactly those two piercings
>>42773660theres an ocean between dressing alternative and dressing like a woman when youre trying to be a man. alternative men dont typically dress like women outside of like visual kei, and since youre not a visual kei artist...
People ITT acting like straight guys never get any piercings must either be boomers or shut-ins, in zoomers it's not common but it's not rare either
>>42773660>women who look and act like women aren't menCorrect.>>42779180>but cis men do it!Same excuse every time.Men who get piercings lose masculinity and credibility in real life. Over-accessorized NLOGs using aesthetically pleasing Pinterest men to justify how "valid" they are is peak female behavior.
>rockists
>>42773660>youre not allowed to be alternative if you're ftmyou can but if you dress more like left than right you should probably reconsider some of your life choices
>>42779268>Men who get piercings lose masculinity and credibility in real life.It's not that serious, stop being melodramatic
>>42779352Right is an incel-tier fit.
>>42779407>no actual rebuttalPoint proven. Thanks, ladies.
>>42779416most guys into goth and metal look like incels while having gfs
>>42779461>most guys into goth and metal>having gfsLOL
>>42773660i say all of this and believe all of this
>>42773660have you been to an alternative event of any kind original poster. you can literally be essentially any configuration of human except a cis normie and they love it
>>42773660fake problemif anything being an alt d00d helps you pass
>>42773660Cismen aren't allowed to have fashion, period.Also dressing like an annoying teenaged girl isn't helping ftms beat the "annoying teenaged girl" allegations.
>>42773660The only people who meaningfully enforce this are trans people online. You'll be fine
>>42775384Absolutely false.
>>42775449Piercing is hugely viewed as a feminine body mod. Face and ears, it's far more common for women.
>>42775574They'll just look like a lesbian
>>42773660>accessories>listens to metal>37 lolPost the baubles you consider accessories, and then post a grid of the music you listened to this month.
Now that the dust has settled, did this thread inadvertently prove OP right all along?
>>42775359Those are not "feminine" things, you people have the most boring way of seeing what is masculine/feminine>>42775444Those people are stupid>>42775501Piercings are just aesthetic they don't have gender>>42775521This>>42775545Many girls think guys with piercings are cool, many men think piercings on guys also look cool etc
>>42783966>Those are not "feminine" things, you people have the most boring way of seeing what is masculine/feminine99% of cis men dont do it, thats the thing
>>4278465599% of cis women don't have piercings either except for earlobes
