Why is it so controversial the point out that AGP is the default female sexuality?Only men, straight or gay, feel real physical lust for their partners. /lgbt/ acts like AGP troons are deranged paraphiliacs when they're literally just expressing the same sexuality as cis women, which is primarily autoerotic and self-referential. Straight women, by and large, do not desire male bodies the same way gay men lust after men or straight men lust after women. When women DO express attraction towards men, ie. by consuming erotic literature, it is nearly always in the context of "this immortal billionaire vampire serial killer chad being into me makes ME feel so sexy" and then the sex scenes describe the men in one word and the woman's internal world in multiple pages. It is a classic case of AGP meta-attraction.Hell, ask any androphilic ftm pooner on /lgbt/ how much their sexuality changed after getting on T and chances are they will describe how they started experiencing strong, ego-free physical lust towards men for the first time in their lives.
A lot of straight and bisexual men are AAP as well.
>>42774981Im not sure if ive ever seen a genuine case of AAP. Maybe some /fit/fags might qualify, but even that's a stretch. You just dont see aap equivalent of agp media pretty much anywhere.
>>42774967This is identical to incel rhetoric. Women feel attraction to men and male bodies and will describe certain characteristics they find desirable. Testosterone causes sexual desire that is generally ego independent
>>42775031>This is identical to incel rhetoricQuick, everyone get in the thought shelter. >Women feel attraction to men and male bodies and will describe certain characteristics they find desirableLike men's height? That ties into the "immortal billionaire vampire serial killer chad" type: women respond to men's status and high position in a hierarchy, because it makes the women themselves feer more validated and desirable. But like said, open a women's erotic literature novel and look how little attention is actually paid to the man's physicality. Nearly all of women's "attraction" towards men is plausibly explained through AGP. Hence, AGP transwomen are perfectly valid.
The patriarchy doesn't actually exist, there are zero institutions pushing patriarchy. There are 100s and 100s of NGOs in your country right now dedicated to feminism and female supremacy. They are paid billions of dollars by your government. They have entire departments at every single university in your country with full time paid propagandists. They are empowered by law in your country to indoctrinate children at every level of schooling, kindergarten through to the end. You won't escape it after school either, they are in every single HR department and they will make you engage in monthly humiliation rituals to ensure female supremacy is not challenged. Women hate men, they hate males, they hate you from birth, they hate you even after you are dead, they consider you to be a subhuman nigger, and they will not tolerate being questioned by subhuman niggers in societies where they are supreme.
>>42775057holv trvke
>>42774981>AAPlike patrick bateman looking at himself in the mirror flexing his muscles while fucking the prostitutes? i dont think that happens much irl
>>42774967The fact that even poor and unattractive men can date and get married somewhat proves that women’s sexual desire is not AGP-like. If you’re not sure, think about your own parents. Do you think your father had value to your mother as an AGP-like accessory?
>>42775201partnering doesnt necessarily have anything to do with attraction. women routinely partner with men they dont feel any sexual feelings towards.
>>42775211Engaging in a sexual relationship with someone of the opposite sex whom you find unattractive—whether economically or physically—is only possible because you are obsessed with the opposite sex.
>>42775267women mate opportunistically only because they are obsessed with men? i dont think that tracks. in any case, im not arguing women cant have any warm feelings towards men at all, just that their sexuality is autoerotic and not genuinely directed at men.
>>42775057good. men sucks ass, taint, and balls
>>42775042Back with the incel opinions. Different women are attracted to different things. These universal standards only make sense if you have a strictly hierarchical view of the world. You are imagining attraction relies on imagining your respective worth via the quality of your partner, but that is nonsense; there are models who cheat on eachother and ugly people who have fulfilling and intense sex lives. So many incels claim the trans label because they feel like failed men, not like women
>>42775531>incel incel incel incelDo you have anything of substance to say or are you just venting? Maybe go for a walk or play a video game or something.
>>42774967makes women sound kinda narcissist which might not be cool
>>42775617whats so bad about it? narcissists are cool, confident, happy and succesful. your politicians, presidents, CEOs, celebrities, musicians, film actors and actresses are narcissists. its the winning personality type.
>>42774967It's cope bro. It's just cope.
>>42774967AGP is a paraphilia when presented in a male. It's not abnormal finding in a female. Does this answer your question?
>>42775686having agp means they are women.
>>42775552Damn I touched a nerve. Sounds like you’re just another “lesbian” transmaxxer
>>42775691No. If they are male and have it, it means they have a paraphilia. I really don't see the issue here, even Daddy Blanchard said that having this particular paraphilia is a valid reason to troon out. All this coping boils down "me not like having my literal paraphilia defined as paraphilia".
>>42774967It’s controversial because it’s not true, this is a cope for all the austistic cishet men who mistook attraction to women for desire to be a woman. This isn’t all mtfs, many are actually dysphoric and genuinely trans but a lot are like this. The inverse phenomenon exists in ftms with yaoi fetishists mistaking their attraction to men and arousal from male sexuality for being a man (this is especially embarrassing because enjoying yaoi is extremely fembrained).Women do experience sexuality in a relativistic way a lot of the time but it’s not literally being aroused by being a woman like for so many “trans” “women”, it’s arousal at attention and the acts associated with sex rather than purely visual stimuli. And women do respond to visual stimuli as well, but not as strongly as men do, if you think that they don’t it means you’ve either never been with a woman or you’re quite ugly or out of shape.>>42774981This, with both men and women I often experience lust more on a level of feeling my own attractiveness and enjoying them being interested in me rather than physical lust for their body. This only really works for hookups though, and it means that after we’ve cum and the sex is over I don’t want them to be around anymore usually. For people I date and fall in love with, I have to experience direct and specific attraction to them as well though. Porn can demonstrate this, I can masturbate to photos of hot women and hot men, but for much less attractive people I have to watch them have sex either with someone who I can project onto or sometimes with another person I actually find attractive.>>42775429They certainly do when they’re in my bed lol
>>42775736blanchard was operating on incomplete information, as when he formulated his theories, he was unable (or unwilling) to make the connection between "parahilic AGP" and natural female sexuality. there has been a prolific feminist writer who actually ran with blanchard's hypothesis and took it to its logical conclusion.
>>42775200I did that literally every time I was on tren
>>42775749>he was unable (or unwilling) to make the connection between "parahilic AGP" and natural female sexualityNo shit Sherlock. Claiming natural female sexuality presenting on a male isn't a paraphilia is insane cope just try to wriggle out from the stigma of being labeled as paraphilic. As with everything with stigma, the answer isn't to try to deny reality as we know it.
>>42775747>Women do experience sexuality in a relativistic way a lot of the time but it’s not literally being aroused by being a woman like for so many “trans” “women”, it’s arousal at attention and the acts associated with sex rather than purely visual stimuli. And women do respond to visual stimuli as well, but not as strongly as men do, if you think that they don’t it means you’ve either never been with a woman or you’re quite ugly or out of shape.As pointed out in the OP and subsequent replies, this is absolutely plausibly explained within the context of AGP meta-attraction. Women respond to visual stimuli, yes, but only through self-referentiality. They will enjoy a "physically impressive man" for what they feel his attention says about their own attractiveness.If women truly enjoyed male bodies, their erotic literature would reflect this, but as stated, the men barely exists as anything but props for the womans validation. Hell, take women's gender-wide obsession with male height and think about it honestly for a second. If women were truly turned on by male bodies, they wouldn't need to have the affirmation that the man they are into is taller than the majority of men or they otherwise get the ick. Womens "attraction" to men is almost completely dependent on hierarchial structures because the "elite man's" attention is a trophy that makes the woman feel satisfied with herself. >if you think that they don’t it means you’ve either never been with a woman or you’re quite ugly or out of shape.It seems likely you're just trying to insult me so this might be pointless, but i have actually been able to attract women myself, at times. I've even had two fwbs. Crucially, they were only "attracted" to me when they perceived me to be above them in social status (i was in a high status university program and they were not).
>>42775773I think calling it natural female sexuality is the more controversial and stigmatized view than whether it's paraphilic in males.
>>42775747>austistic cishet men who mistook attraction to women for desire to be a womanI mistook desire to be a woman for attraction to them. I love their body, but only men make me actually horny.
>>42776272nah nona, clearly you are just a straight man who likes women so much that you like men
>>42775819maybe cis women should develop some humility and self awareness and accept things for what they are, even if they dont like the terms that accurately describe them.
