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anon posts worst bait ever, told to leave tttt
>shartyack mad xis admins are okay with trannies

>>42779101
its not bait i genuinely feel this way. i got in shouting matches with my boomer parents because of their transphobia

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hi chuddy! here is a relevant hazbin hotel image for your post.

>>42779289
>cis person sick virtue signalling "on behalf" of trans people becomes a transphobe
Congratulations you moved up from being entirely insufferable to being just regular insufferable

>>42779336
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>>42779101
exactly the kind of shit that made me give up on supporting you guys. i hope trans people as a whole can one day get a clue and realize they're digging their own hole by continuously alienating and shouting down at everyone around them

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>>42777974
I understand how you feel, a few years back when my egg cracked, my trans friend abandoned me because I said vaguely problematic things. I really hate this all or nothing outlook, I think the main problem is that these kind of people get caught up in fads and destroy themselves because they can't keep up with unrealistic standards. My transition on the other hand is going perfectly, I'm integrating with my preferred gender, and I'm meeting my goals.

There really needs to be a good conversation about the how these kind of people get caught in echo chambers.

>>42779399
>I really hate this all or nothing outlook
that's pretty much my problem in a nutshell as well. there's zero room for nuance, you have to eagerly agree with every single thing that comes out of their mouth or they will start pulling out the buzzwords and label you a violent bigot trying to genocide trans people. that's not real friendship.

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>>42779398
here is a relevant hazbin hotel image for that response.

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>>42779427
my response

>>42777974
What do you think is the way forward, if not gender affirming care?

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>>42779444
here is a relevant hazbin hotel image for that response.

>>42779477
traditional therapy. the most recent studies we have on the long-term effects of gender-affirming care are pretty clear, gender-affirming care does not meaningfully decrease incidence of suicide. considering "give me the booby pills or i will kill myself" is the primary threat trans people use to get their way, the fact the current treatment modality we use does not have any effect on suicidality can only mean gender-affirming care does not work. if i developed a painkiller that did not actually reduce pain but did cause permanent life-long side effects, that would be a failure of medical science. spending billions of dollars funding this failed painkiller would be utter lunacy. yet that is exactly what we're doing with gender-affirming care.

>>42777974
Not the first thread in recent times with similar thoughts
>>42773378

To be fair though, gender dysphoria is a mental illness and mental illness usually goes hand in hand with other mental illnesses
And the normal ones you see usually don't show up online because they're busy working a job and living their life, so the ones you see online generally lean towards the less stable

>>42779530
i live in a place with a high trans population, one of the most notorious trans meccas on planet earth. i can assure you trans people in real life behave just as awful if not even more so than they do online. i've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
>gender dysphoria is a mental illness and mental illness usually goes hand in hand with other mental illnesses
and yet we ignore and don't treat those other mental illnesses. we just give them the booby pills and expect them to miraculously get better

>>42779519
I partially agree with you. I think a lot of trans people, especially in the west, are pushed through the medical system too quickly and are not given enough time to be fully evaluated and therefore are misdiagnosed
There's also the factor of other underlying mental illnesses that transgender people have (a huge one is BDD), and while HRT is good for gender dysphoria, it is not really intended to treat the other illnesses, so a lot of the times those other illnesses fester, take over, and the person commits suicide. This isn't a failure of HRT itself, but rather the other factors that are on the board that usually get ignored in favor of just going "yeah give this person HRT and see what happens"

tl;dr, HRT is good, but more people should be on therapy

>>42779557
I agree with your viewpoint that *visible* trans people are fucking annoying, but there are stealth passers that are just normal people going on about their lives, and you wouldn't notice them enough to clock them, therefore your entire sample size is based off of the annoying troons that make up the vocal minority. I also lived in a trans city but not in the west, and the trannies there were significantly more stable and nice people (there were still mega weirdos but that goes for every city), so I don't think its a tranny issue, rather a narcissist issue where the annoying gigahons think they deserve special treatment, while the self aware passoids just move on with life. Think of it as the vocal minority problem

>>42779519
before we got mainstream medical care we went black market and cut off our balls ourselves. we'd go back to that if we didn't have other options. all you're proposing is making a minority's lives harder because of some random studies viewed in isolation to suit a bias. it's nonsense.

>>42779575
to be clear i do believe gender incongruence does exist. the human mind is a weird thing and it does weird things (BIID is somewhat related). but i do think it's extraordinarily rare and most of the modern trans community are just people who are victims of social contagion, untreated mental illness aside from gender dysphoria (notably autism), trauma, etc.
and these people are given hormones and surgeries instead of actual mental health treatment, because suggesting they may be anything other than a poor innocent woman trapped in an evil man's body is wrongthink
>>42779606
that's all well and good. if those "good ones" do exist i wish them all the best. they realistically don't need to worry about the current debates regarding trans healthcare. the people that do are people who should have never been given access to it in the first place
>>42779628
i still believe in gender affirming care as a last resort. if traditional therapy and medication do not work, then gender transition is indeed the only way forward. i just don't think it should be step 1.

>>42779655
Yes, traditionally it was MTF being the predominant trans identity, but in recent years we've seen a 40x increase in FTM, which suggests there is a factor of social contagion present.
I don't think this is easily fixable without the entire community going back underground or the government outlawing the depiction of LGBT materials in public media, both of which are regressive and may do more harm towards existing LGBT people.
I'm not sure how to solve the social contagion problem otherwise though, and telling healthcare corporations to "just dont push people into expensive meds bro" is not really gonna work, trans people are such an insane cash cow

>>42779519
>traditional therapy.
Has it been proven that it helps more than transitioning?

>>42779683
>trans people are such an insane cash cow
and here we arrive at the final, cruel irony of the trans community. so many of them are very far left, anti-capitalist, anti-semitic "eat the rich" types yet they, themselves are huge walking money printers for the exact people they claim to despise. going "DIY" only goes so far, you can't perform FFS on yourself. somehow, some way, they will get your money from you.

>>42779730
we have no long-term studies on that because giving trans people anything other than the booby pills is seen as wrongthink. in fact we really have no long-term studies on anything related to trans people. we have no certain evidence for anything regarding gender affirming care. it's all just circular logic of various organizations trusting the guidelines of other organizations.
but the question is then do we try something:
>completely risk free (talking to a human being)
>easily reversible (leave the room)
>cheap
>low-effort
or do we do the thing that:
>carries a multitude of risks (most that we do not even fully know about yet)
>is irreversible
>extremely expensive
>completely upends your entire life
we do the second thing of course, because it makes doctors more money.

>>42779683
>I'm not sure how to solve the social contagion problem otherwise though, and telling healthcare corporations to "just dont push people into expensive meds bro" is not really gonna work, trans people are such an insane cash cow
Just find a way to encourage therapists/psychiatrists/sexologists to take more sessions from anyone who suspects of being trans. Like, 5 years of sessions like in the good old days. Then the only one earning the money would be the psych instead of the corporations. Now the only problem is that I don't know how to sneakily introduce this idea.

>>42779792
"The Science™" is already moving away from the always-affirm model anyway. after the lawsuit touched the money, now doctors are suddenly a lot more hesitant to let little aiden cut his boobs off before he's old enough to even vote

>>42779733
common observation that chuds think is insightful yet actually big fat nothingburger.

the pharmaceutical industry and private hospitals are making more money from cis people with peptic ulcers ALONE than trannies. but no one ever complains about peptic ulcer disease being a Jewish cash cow conspiracy because anything involving trannies causes joe chud to lose 80 iq points.

>>42777974
I'm sorry that your friends blocked you, but i'm pretty sure that they called you names for a reason. I'm pretty sure you're hiding transphobic comments (which you deemed weren't transphobic) that you said prior to their insults.

>>42779808
i don't think pharmaceutical industry inducing scams for other things as well is a good argument against OP though. this is /lgbt/ not /pepticulcers/

>>42779804
More like doctors are scared to do care medication because of Trump's administration going berserk against scapegoats.

>>42779808
Peptic ulcers are a real and measurable problem unlike gender dysphoria. It's not just chuds, normal people are concerned too about this. If gender dysphoria had some way to be tested or measured that wasn't just asking a self report from a patient, it would be more trustworthy for the public. Currently it looks like a made-up problem to the normal people.

>>42779828
i think the worst violation i ever did was once foolishly claiming the prostate is a "male organ". how silly of me. other than that, one did meltdown at me because she accused me of "trying to be one of the good ones" for supporting trans people despite being "some white dude"
>>42779850
the AMA is not aligned with donald trump
>>42779808
a peptic ulcer is an actual physical illness that you can look at and see, not "errmmm you need to cut my boobs off or i'll kill myself thanks"

notice how there has been exactly one (1) (singular) post showing even a tiny shred of empathy and the rest if just shouting down at me for the experiences i have had in my life causing a predictable result. thank you all for proving my point

>>42779833
it's to point out the ridiculousness of spending decades colluding (COLLUDING, not competing) on a secret medical psyop to convince young men to transition so that they can be sold pharmaceuticals and procedures versus getting a comparative advantage by investing in R&D for peptic ulcer disease treatment and patenting a drug or increasing production of generics.

>>42779901
I can count more messages that sound quite empathizing towards your situation, are you sure you refreshed the page?
As mentioned before there was a whole other thread about a similar situation
>>42773378

>>42779925
don't misrepresent me. i'm not a schizo freak like you people are. i don't think anything particular about jewish people or whatever. i don't know why everyone started going insane and "trusting the science™" in 2018 but i don't believe in white genocide or any of that shit. i'm just someone who has interacted with a lot of trans people irl and online and arrived at my own conclusion that about 95% of them are just genuinely insane and need medical treatment (besides having their boobs cut off)
>>42779934
and look at the replies to that one

>>42777974
>>42779519
What fucking studies are you referring to that have either been debunked or have unanimously countered the current well established understanding on treating gender dysphoria (i.e. via transitioning)??
I can literally share you links where gender affirming care literally reduces suicidality in the trans population and that the identified grievances for increased suicidality is almost entirely inflicted from social ostracization, and dehumanization by cis people.

>>42779942
There were a couple of well adjusted messages there, just hide the ones that are, well, not well adjusted.

>>42779901
>why aren't people being more empathetic when i accuse them of being deluded and say i don't support them?
>guess that just Proves My Point!
genuinely you are sociopathic if you think you deserve our empathy for being brave enough to be bigoted, sybau.

>>42779951
the recent finnish study is pretty damning. it is true that gender affirming care lowers "suicidality" but that is not the full picture. the incidence of actual, completed suicide does not go down. "suicidality" includes mere ideation. trans people even years after transitioning still display an elevated risk of actually completing suicide compared to cis people and even when accounting for comorbidities.

>>42779973
keep on digging

>>42779977
What is this holy study you are referencing? Are they even including the fact that post transition care, the main factor for the increased suicidality is the public abuse, discrimination, and family abandonment? Have we taken account of their methodology, biases, etc? For reference of literally over a hundred supported links on transgender care, navigate the sub links in here: https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/wiki/suiciderisk/

>>42779901
You’re receiving pushback because after your falling out with said trans friends, you’ve immediately turn on your facade of a support for the community, and are quick to generalize the entire group through your anecdotal experience. It’s like a white guy who was friends with black guys before they had some heavy disagreement, and now he goes around calling them all slurs and violent criminals. That’s how weak of a character and insane you sound.

>>42780039
this is the exact circular logic i'm talking about. you don't ask trans people about the effects of gender affirming care, as much as it seemingly makes sense to. you look at the hard science.
https://mentalhealth.bmj.com/content/27/1/e300940
self-reporting is the worst quality of evidence. self-reporting is okay to justify treatments like therapy or SSRIs because they are relatively low-risk. self-reporting is not sufficient to justify rendering lifelong consequences onto a teenager. which is exactly why fox varian won that lawsuit.
>>42780065
have i said a single slur this entire time? am i not allowed my own happiness? am i forced to support people who abuse me?

>>42779988
I'm not going to expend effort being empathetic to a 4chan poster who has made his complete lack of respect for me abundantly clear. You made an entire post about it.
We all understand that respect is a privilege that can be taken away if you do not give respect and empathy in return. It seems you missed this lesson.

>>42777974
>i dont know what to do now
Perhaps get gender critical friends? You already use their language, so I assume you're sort of in their circle already at least in part.
Sorry if it's a wrong assumption. I'm just guessing.

>>42780088
>it's YOUR fault you were mistreated!
not a great look

>>42780093
no i'm fucking not. what is wrong with you people? are you so used to believing everything anyone says to you that the thought of someone arriving at their own conclusion to something so inconceivable? most of my friends are trans allies or at least neutral on trans people. i live in one of the bluest cities on planet earth. i'm constantly immersed in very much gender uncritical(?) culture. i'm not some right-winged lunatic /pol/chud just trying to bait the queers. i'm a human fuckin being with agency

>>42780097
I'm not referring to your anecdotal stories. I'm referring to what YOU are saying about trans people, specifically your sweeping generalizations and conspiracy theories. If you wanted people to engage with you respectfully and empathetically you should have left out the parts where you call our medicine "barbarism" and called me ("you people") schizo freaks.
I've been trying to get the point across that if you are disrespectful, you will be disrespected in return. The more you reply the more I'm convinced your friends dropped you for the same reasons written all over every reply you've made in this thread, you demand respect and empathy while giving the opposite in return.

>>42779398
Don’t care. If you don’t support trans people because of bad experiences with your trans “friends” then you were never an ally to begin with. You’re just a dumb bitch who honestly deserved it, though you are probably just ragebaiting anyhow.

>>42780151
well ok then i guess i'm truly just a horrible, irredeemable asshole. are you happy now? does that make you feel good?
>>42780152
okay

>>42780119
>i'm not some right-winged lunatic /pol/chud just trying to bait the queers.
truly, genuinely, from the bottom of my heart, do NOT believe you 'science™'anon

>>42780166
you're right OP.

>>42780176
what should i believe then anon?
>>42780179
okay

>>42780166
>noooo I’m such a victim waaaah
Holy fuck shut up and leave our board already you insufferable crybaby fag.

>>42780199
what do you want me to say? do you want me to continue trying to argue with you? i'm not going to leave just because you asked me to

>>42780227
i just saw the term online a few days ago and realized it applied to me. i'm not part of any group or anything like that i'm just a person. i don't like all this tribalism we have in modern society. i miss when people could just have their own thoughts and opinions and experiences and still get along together despite that

>>42780166
No it doesn't make me feel good, it makes me feel pity. It's sad to see someone being pipelined into anti social behavior out of hate. The grass is NOT greener on the other side, filling your heart with hate only begets more hate.

>>42780119 #
>what is wrong with you people?
Take a chill pill, I was just asking because of the "peak trans" thing. Recognised the term from the good old days, so I thought to suggest something that I thought might fit. I'm sorry that it doesn't, I just thought that you'd like it because you seem like a progressive person and you have the same concerns as my old friends :(
>are you so used to believing everything anyone says to you that the thought of someone arriving at their own conclusion to something so inconceivable?
Where have I said that you haven't arrived at your own conclusions? And why are you assuming that I believe everything I'm told? Should I have not believed your story? That wouldn't be nice of me :(
And gender critical stuff isn't rightwing. It's pro LGBT. So it can't be. So no, I'm not saying that you're a chud and I don't understand how my message could be read as that :'(

>>42780259
i don't hate anyone

>>42779871
I'm sorry but I barely believe that. If it is true, then your trans friends weren't obviously not representative of the trans community as a whole, so it would look more like a "your friends problem" rather than a "trans problem".

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>>42780084
>circular logic
>using a singular flawed study that attempts to reference another flawed study using cis people as the control group instead of trans people who have no undergone gender transition
>the studies obviously hyperinflate the suicide outcomes because it compares trans people (while withholding outsider factors such as discrimination and abuse) with the unaffected cis population
How fucking dense can you be reading and accepting these studies without doing your due diligence? What in the fuck is wrong with your critical thinking skills? You can’t even hold your own bias in check and CHOOSE to ignore counter evidence, decidedly hand waiving it as “soft science” or that some how self-report of years of improved life quality somehow should be ignored in regards to the treatment and care for trans people and gender affirming care.
pic related is your flawed ass study attempting to feign relationship between controlled and subject fields
>have I said any slurs? am i forced to support abusive people?
you’re not obligated to keep contact with toxic people, but you’re clearly a transmysognist if you’re easily dissuaded on the legitimacy of the community over poorly reviewing a study and its references, or somehow believe you know best for those you honestly have no experience living the life of.

Comorbidities and any associated mental illnesses should be treated, but that does not disqualify them for accessing gender affirming care/treating gender dysphoria so long as they meet the DSM-V requirement, and for the case of adolescents, are heavily discussed with both professionals and their parents along the way.

Your bigotry and ignorance is what defines you as scum of the Earth.

>>42780207
Of course you won’t leave. You’re here to be a social irritant, nothing more. Kill yourself lil bro

>>42780265
In your mind maybe. Your actions and words paint a different picture. Seeing us trannies as "vulnerable schizo freaks victim to barbarism" is hate dressed in faux sympathy. If the sympathy were real, you wouldn't have come to the tranny 4chan board to insult us, harass us, and beg for our empathy.

>>42780271
okay. i guess i'm scum of the earth now. thanks for letting me know
>>42780270
i suppose i was being hyperbolic in my original post. i do know one singular trans person who's actually nice and doesn't treat me like dogshit. that does imply there could be more out there. but why would i continue to risk it when 99/100 times it turned out poorly? why not just disengage from the whole thing and keep myself safe from the people who call me scum of the earth

>>42780297
sorry, i'll leave that to you guys
>>42780298
i don't hate anyone. that you interpret my exhaustion with the type of behavior in this thread as hatred is more an indictment of your own character than mine

>>42780301
>keep myself safe from the people who call me scum of the earth
You are the one baiting these responses. You came here saying crazy shit to us and are reaping what you sow. You sound like a whiny fucking bitch who can dish it out but can’t take it. Kill. Your. Self. You. Annoying. Miserable. FAGGOT.

>>42780301
>>42780307
>gets his shit called out
>makes no attempt at addressing his inconsistencies, or how emotionally compromised he is
Make yourself useful and take the trash out (you)

>>42780301
>why not just disengage from the whole thing
Poor mentality imo, take it to the logical extreme and you end up where the hikikomoris are, thinking its pointless to engage with the general society because theres a risk of being put down by others.
Maybe try talking to trannies outside of 4chan or engage with groups you enjoy engaging with more, or go outside and interact with people irl

>>42780317
i'm not sure what your goal is. if you're trying to convince me that my conclusions about trans people are false, you're not doing a very good job

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>>42780186
>what should i believe
that i'll always have a relevant hazbin hotel image.

>>42780250
>i just saw the term online a few days ago and realized it applied to me.
Got it. For some reason I assumed that it went out of fashion. I guess it got into mainstream.
>i'm not part of any group or anything like that i'm just a person. i don't like all this tribalism we have in modern society.
Okay, sorry for assuming group participation. I mostly assumed it due to the term used.
> i miss when people could just have their own thoughts and opinions and experiences and still get along together despite that
Was that time ever real, my fren? I think you're nostalgic for a moment of history that sadly didn't exist :(
Not to be offensive, but you seem rather naive. Or perhaps my old age is showing 0_0

>>42780320
>Maybe try talking to trannies outside of 4chan
read the thread please
>thinking its pointless to engage with the general society
i get along with pretty much everyone. customers at my work love me and request my assistance all the time, even in departments i don't technically work in. i'm generally regarded as a charismatic, funny person. the only people who seemingly view me as the worst person on planet earth is trans people

>>42780324
>my supporting basic human rights for people is conditional on them kissing my ass
Please just fuck off already you massive fucking fag

>>42780339
i'm 30 years old. that time did exist. i lived in it. you aren't gonna gaslight me. where people got together as friends just because they liked each other, not because they had a compatible set of labels and opinions

>>42780340
I don't view you as the worst person on the planet.
There were multiple posts and replies either agreeing or empathizing with your post, I'm not sure why you're feeding into the hate crowd.

>>42780360
what basic human rights do i not support? i think in 4 or 5 years you're going to realize i was right in being critical of the always-affirm model. i support trans people getting the care they need, i just disagree with what that care actually is.
>>42780371
you're not going to gaslight me

>>42779101
sharty admins aren't okay with trannies lol

>>42780318
>YOU'RE A FUCKING RETARD KILL YOURSELF!!!!!
>okay
>WHY AREN'T YOU ARGUING WITH ME MORE!!!! FUCK YOU FAGGOT!!!!
what would you like me to say anon

>>42780377
>i'm done supporting trans people
>”barbarism”
>just another ploy to extract money from vulnerable people and i helped perpetuate it.
You arrived at these evil and stupid conclusions because some trannies were mean to you. You’re stupid as fuck and need to end your life.

>>42780307
>my exhaustion with the type of behavior in this thread
Again : you induced the behavior by being deliberately inflammatory and making sweeping generalizations. Respect is earned. Shrimple as. You lost the expectation of respect as soon as you hit post on this thread, and continuing to expect it regardless of how viciously hostile you act is some serious entitlement and I'm tired of being your sounding board for projection. Goodbye

>>42780377
When you actually have support, you reject it, and you feed into the hatred here.
What the fuck bro, you're kinda acting like the people attacking you for your opinions if you're gonna view everyone here as people attacking you.
I dont know what to say, I think I'll just leave you with whatever this mess is
There are tranners who are receptive to your opinions though, they just don't post every time the cooldown timer expires.

>>42780413
>instead of refuting your points i'm going to be another example of the type of person that lead you to this obviously insane conclusion that has no basis on reality (despite me right now doing The Exact Thing You Talked About)
yeah so this is actually The Exact Thing I Talked About
>>42780416
okay bye

OP i think you’re a bandwagoneer. in another decade you’ll move with the tides as usual

>>42780428
there was literally one single tranner showing sympathy and i responded to her positively. if there are any more who did and i didn't respond positively then i apologize and i'd like to thank them in this post right now
thank you for being sane and understanding. i hope you have a nice weekend

>>42780435
that's okay with me. if i turn out to be totally wrong and the always affirm model is indeed the best way to go, then i don't really have to change anything. most of my friends are already pro-trans rights.

>>42780364
>you aren't gonna gaslight me.
I'm not trying to. I'm just stating how the world looks like from my point of view and my knowledge of history.
>where people got together as friends just because they liked each other, not because they had a compatible set of labels and opinions
How can people like someone if they don't have compatible set of opinions? As in, actually like, not merely tolerate the presence of? How did that work?

>>42780428
OP is here in bad faith. They are eager to be perceived as a victim. The whole “waaah some trans people were mean to me so now I’m gonna make a spectacle of NOT supporting trannies” is OP trying to displace punishment onto total strangers like a freak. There’s no way OP is as “normal” socially or psychologically as he insists. Normal people don’t lazily generalize whole groups based on the actions of a few, come to a literal internet sewer, post ragebait, then clutch their pearls so they can say “see?! This is why I don’t support trannies! Barbarism! Medical rackets!” OP is either a massive retard or a troll.

>>42780432
>exactly the thing I talked about
1. We are not friends. 2. I am not blowing up at you for nothing. I am reacting to inflammatory content YOU are posting on an image board that isn’t meant for you. 3. I don’t give a shit about your approval. You’re a cringe whiny faggot. 4) Enough with the victim complex. You are an insufferable, miserable faggot and I hope your house burns down.

>>42780470
>How did that work?
because we're human beings, not collections of data points. i have right-winged friends despite me being left-winged. i have religious friends despite me bein atheistic. we have our disagreements but we remain friends anyway. i understand that may seem insane to the modern audience. you don't have to immediately blow up a friendship just because they committed wrongthink once or twice. you have a discussion about it if you want. if you don't want to, you just smoke some weed and play video games.
>>42780476
you are free to believe what you'd like to believe. i came here because i was genuinely lost and confused on what to do next and i think i did find my answer

>>42780504
you seem like a very angry person. i hope you get better

>>42780398
>what would you like me to say
gee idk, maybe either elaborating why you should even still accept a clearly flawed study, or how the mountain of evidence that goes against your narrow-minded perspective of treating trans people, should still be disregarded when affirming care has lead to improved lives for said trans people.

Perhaps show us you’re actually someone persuaded by scientific research and not another chud who clings to the first study that confirms his preferred worldview because he aligns with his miserable experiences in life? Or just keep deflecting and quietly submitting to the rest of the people in this thread that your bullshit was exposed and you’re unable to logically defend any of your arguments as sound and not irrational or emotional in nature.

>>42780508
>noooo the people I insulted started firing back! This clearly proves they are evil!
So yeah, you are either just a troll or a massive retard.

>>42780532
why would i earnestly engage with someone who is calling me names? i'd rather spend my efforts talking with people who don't call me a retarded chud faggot scum of the earth piece of shit and tell me to kill myself. if you wanted an actual conversation you wouldn't have used those words

>>42780541
who did i insult? the doctors profiting off vulnerable, marginalized people? i thought we all kinda agreed that's a bad thing. that it's barbaric to profit off people who are suffering. is that not the case?

>>42777974
Well, OP? Are you regretting opening up to the pack of abusive narcissists that are troons?

>>42780541
no you see, by pointing this out, you are in fact proving OP's point. Just don't think about it at all. STOP THINKING!! Just accept that you can't fire back, ESPECIALLY after shots are fired

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>>42780554
>what should I say?
>ignores being called out yet again
>deflects due to hurt feelings
Yeah it doesn’t sound like you were ever here on good faith, but to spread more /pol/ rhetoric under the guise of “i was once an ally but alas no longer.”
No one else is going to eat the shit that you’re spewing.

>>42780554
>*calls a board full of trans people barbaric and makes sweeping generalizations and accuses trans people of all just being duped by Big Medicine*
>*gets told to fuck off*
>”I am clearly the real victim here! Thank you for proving my point!”
You’re so fucking stupid. There is no way you have normal social interactions.

>>42780572
yes and no. i kinda expected the thread to go this way, i'm not an idiot. but i did also have some small hope that i'd be surprised and people would be empathetic. a couple people were and i'm grateful for that. but i'm definitely more confident in my decision to no longer blindly agree with everything trans people say.
>>42780581
i'm sorry you feel that way

>>42780301
My point still holds:
>If it is true, then your trans friends weren't obviously not representative of the trans community as a whole, so it would look more like a "your friends problem" rather than a "trans problem".

>>42780586
>calls a board full of trans people barbaric
wait
is that what this is all about?
i didn't call trans people barbaric
i called our current model of trans healthcare barbaric, because it is
did you all just completely misinterpret what i was saying
>>42780595
alright well sorry i had bad friends, i didnt do it on purpose

>>42779519
>the fact the current treatment modality we use does not have any effect on suicidality can only mean gender-affirming care does not work
"If i pull shit out of my ass i win" ahh
Are you retarded?

>>42780613
yeah i'm retarded sorry. anything else

>>42779519
>the fact the current treatment modality we use does not have any effect on suicidality can only mean gender-affirming care does not work
"If i pull shit out of my ass i win" ahh
Are you retarded?
>>42779655
> gender affirming care as a last resort
which is how you get hons transitioning at 50 and raping children and/or shooting people

>>42780606
>the science is bullshit
>trans healthcare is barbaric
I understood exactly what you said you sniveling faggot.

>>42780629
>give me the pills or i will rape children and kill people
this isnt a very good way to get the things you want. you could say it's barbaric
>>42780638
alright

>>42780084
>SSRIs
>low risk
You are genuinely retarded holy shit go back to glowiefarms or whatever shithole you crawled out of

>>42780606
>>42780625
>victim card
>started thread not for alternate perspectives but to be reaffirmed in his ire towards a minority group, by said minority group

>>42780508
>i understand that may seem insane to the modern audience.
It does seem insane in some way. In my experience conflicting beliefs will inevitably cause friction. People act on beliefs and sometimes those beliefs include things that will hurt the people who don't agree with them, and in case of conflict of beliefs in a friend group — means hurting the friends. So that's why I feel like there needs to be some overlap between things people believe in, at least long-term, because most people are not going to be friends with someone who wants to act against their interests.

>>42780652
i'm gonna play some video games with my friend in half an hour then i'll be out of your hair. you're free to leave the thread if you're bothered
>>42780653
i am a victim though. in this thread alone several people have told me to kill myself. that's not very nice.

>>42780645
>>this isnt a very good way to get the things you want. you could say it's barbaric
hmm

>don't treat group which you know will go crazy if untreated
>group goes crazy
>wow how could this happen should i do basic self reflection?
>No obviously i should treat group worse

Will goyim ever learn?

>>42780675
you think too much. life is very simple, but humans insist upon making it complicated
>>42780687
i have been advocating for trans people to receive treatment this entire thread

ragebait
stop interacting with the troll

>>42780680
okay. You're baiting. Or the most pathetic retard in the universe now coping and seething that people didn't unanimously agree with you. Either way, please listen to these anons and join your "friends" in nonexistence

>>42780691
okay, i should've clarified, don't give *working* treatment.The goytard way of shoving SSRIs and ineffective brainwashing down people's throats isn't the answer for everything, you know?

>>42780697
i don't need people to unanimously agree with me, but not calling me names is good. you know, the exact thing i said lead me to this conclusion in the first place. anyone who is willing to talk with me without telling me i'm a subhuman piece of shit or mossad agent i'm more than willing to engage with in good faith. but i dont really know how i'm meant to respond to "you are scum of the earth"

>>42779733
>anti-semitic
A jew made this thread

>>42780711
you and i have differing opinions on what works and what doesnt. i think a method to prevent suicide that doesnt actually prevent suicide is not a good method, and science agrees with me. the tides are already turning, the lawsuit was just the beginning. sorry it had to be this way

>>42780730
yep you caught me i'm actually netanyahu himself just having a bit of silly fun before i go bomb more muslims hehe :3

that's right ladies and gents i'm actually a mentally handicapped jew (and goy at the same time) who has 12 /pol/ tabs open right now getting paid by YOUR taxpayer dollars to troll and bait people on the 4chans. im not even a real person all your delusions are completely correct and true

>>42779761
>we have no long-term studies on that because giving trans people anything other than the booby pills is seen as wrongthink

or because, magic option anon... this shit did not work in the 19th century, it did not work at the beginning of the 20th century, it did not work in the 50s or 60s? Maagic, anon, surely it's just le wrongthink

>negligience and gaslighting leading to patient stalling on other available treatments and experiencing hard to reverse/irreversible changes is "risk free"
>theRapists don't want 10000$ per 15 minutes of talking
>low effort=good

>le evil bad tranny risks are when risks literally involved in LIVING as a human being with an endocrine system
>natooral irreversible le good
>ameritard healthcare is the only healthcare ever that exists
>please be a good goy never object to any sort of societal expectations

i got three gold shillings to make this thread because you all fell for my masterfully crafted bait. i'm not a real human being with feelings and agency i'm part of a big grand conspiracy. every single thing you believe in is correct this was all just one big psyop

>>42777974
I get it. I used to support black people - like get into big fights defending black people, but now I don’t because one time a black guy made fun of my hat at a party. It was then I realized black lives actually do not matter.

>>42780791
is that actually OP's comment?

i sure do hope none of you continue to fall further and further down the rabbit hole and reveal more of our evil nefarious plans, oy vey that would be awful. you're all so much more intelligent than the other gentiles i'm quivering in my yamulke

>>42780772
It’s not delusional. Your posts are so low quality that they’re indistinguishable from a troll. That’s a (You) problem.

>>42780809
hehe that's right i'm a big nosed jewish troll and every time (You) respond i get another tasty little jew snack (foreskin jerky) from my owner (kamala harris)
of course nobody could ever POSSIBLY take umbrage with anything anyone has said in this thread, the only logical explanation is that i'm a devious little rat trying to foment chaos

>>42780691
>you think too much.
I think just the right amount.
>life is very simple, but humans insist upon making it complicated
Well, humans are a part of the life. So inevitably, you cannot live a simple life (what is a simple life to you, anyway?) as long as others exist and make it complicated.
And some people insist on making it more difficult, not just complicated and nuanced. So I don't understand why one would be friends with a person who wants one to be worse.

>>42780828
You post this and expect me to believe you’re not just a troll?

>>42780772
>>42780746
>>42780735
>>42780712
coping and seething yet again anon, good job
>da TIDES are TOORNING!!!
>its just tards making bank of goyim being mass brainwashed on social platforms, practically unaffecting tranny care outside of angloid cattle

>i think a method to prevent suicide that doesnt actually prevent suicide is not a good method
Great, I hope you disagree with forcefeeding dysphoric adolescents SSRIs/birth control then ohh wait you don't care about literally anything else past supposed recorded "sucide" (the easiest death category to manipulate) of "recorded transgender people" (refer to point 1)

it's very funny to see people like (You) as a polish person. As one wise man put it, "Spierdalaj wypierdalaj kurwo jebana"

>>42780846
you expect me to believe this isn't butter?
>>42780842
you're the only one who is actually nice and sane in this thread. i hope you have a good rest of your evening
>>42780847
get in the oven po boy

>>42777974
I reached peak trans a long time ago
(I'd still fuck the hot ones though)

>>42780862
oh well of course nigga i'm not gonna go blabbing about this to anyone. still gotta get my dick wet

anyone else notice OP crashing out after his “study” was called out?

okay everyone i'm gonna go play some games with my friend now. i want to conclude this by affirming that i was right to believe most of you are just really not very good people and i'm happy in my choice. there are good trans people out there and i do wish all the best for them, but if they have to go to cure the world of these violent rapists then that's kinda just how it is

>>42780914
neck yourself you tranny faggot, you will never have a womb. you will sit and watch as every institution that was brainwashed into believing your lies abandons you now that the money has been touched. you are the scum of the earth and i hope your house burns down. now watch people call me out for using the same exact language they used with me. continuing to dig their own grave with their big, masculine hands

>>42780746
>before i go bomb more muslims
Based, keep up the good work

>>42780919
Bye fag

>>42780566
I give the surgeon money
The surgeon performs the surgery I specially asked him to perform on me
I get satisfying results
I am happy
Do not treat me like I am a retarded child who cannot make decisions for himself, nigger.

>>42780919
>these violent rapists
Outed herself as a woman
Opinion discarded

>>42780994
>It’s barbaric! They’re exploiting you!
OP actually said this insane shit then spent the whole thread acting stupid and whining.

>>42780919
I hope you'll change your mind

>>42781008
>randomly misogynistic
You're 100% a minor trans man

>>42781115
I'm in my 20s.
>randomly
Where do you think you are?

>>42781204
hahahaha not denying being a trans man, I clocked you c:

>>42781218
Why would I deny being male?

>>42781334
You shouldn't, it's just "funny" to see trans men being giga sexist. But even if it's gender affirming, you shouldn't do that it's plain reactionary

>>42781101
honestly i do too. i'm not racist or homophobic (i'm pan myself (no not reddit pan i put my penis in hairy man ass)) or really hold any prejudice against any group of people so it does cause me some distress to paint trans people with such a wide brush. but i have to go off my own experiences here. i'm not just going to believe in nebulous magical angelic trans people who are amazing and do no harm that are apparently just all around me but i can't see them. that's basically indistinguishable from belief in the supernatural or the divine, and i'm an atheist

I really wish I could make you all understand that this tranny thing is literally social contagion enforced with extortion and emotional blackmail

>>42782724
>I don’t hold any prejudice
>But I also judge an entire group of people based on the hostility I experienced from a minuscule selection, the common denominator among them being that they all know me personally, and when I’m butthurt about it I go to imageboards full of said people and call their existence barbaric, insult their intelligence, tell them how much I dislike them, and use the hostility I understandably received and created by being an asshole as further proof that this entire minority group I am obsessed with are all horrible people.
Did we miss anything?

>>42783315
I wish you would kill your self but here we are. Oh well.

>>42783329
I mean... The people that want you dead or on a room with padded walls are the majority on earth, but even then I dont wish you any ill. You are a cultist and a victim of your autism

>>42783336
>The people that want you dead or on a room with padded walls are the majority on earth
False
>You are a cultist and a victim of your autism
Not in a cult and not autistic. You’re a mouth breathing retard.

>>42783353
sad cope. your testosterone is also making you very irritable and unreasonable, you are indistinguishable from an inceloid trump supporter

>>42780385
One of them was a pooner pedo tho

>>42783315
>>42783336
>ignores millenias of gender non-conformity, and cultures that embraced trans-like identities
>it’s a social contagion
the only contagion are the brain eating amoebas you have infected yourself with. Anyone with an ounce of respect to the scientific theory and history know the truth on this topic. While transphobes must constantly deny evidence and contradictions to their accusations. Live in your fabricated stone age alone and leave us in peace already.

>>42783365
>testosterone
I have no such thing tho. It’s amazing how you are completely wrong about everything about me so far. Meanwhile you are 100% unemployed and extremely stupid.

>>42783365
>uses identical verbiage incels say about cis women getting “uppity”: must be on your period

>>42783365
>women are never irritable or unreasonable
lmaoo what a dumbass

>>42783370
>Anyone with an ounce of respect to the scientific theory and history know the truth on this topic.

-Jamie Reed (PhD) came out as a whistleblower and put into question not only the trans youth clinic shoddy's practices but the entire field

-Sweden’s National Board of Health and Welfare updated its guidelines following a rigorous review of the evidence. They found that the scientific evidence supporting the use of puberty blockers and hormones in youth was of "low quality."

-Hilary Cass, a leading pediatrician, published an extensive, independent review of the UK's NHS gender identity services for children. The report concluded that the foundation of pediatric gender medicine is built on "remarkably weak evidence."

And these are just off the top of my head

>>42783389
>>42783377
incel rage again.

>>42783397
>incel
Do you even know what this word means? It doesn’t sound like it.

>>42783375
>I have no such thing tho (testosterone)
...im flabbergasted you wrote this. thank you for validating my pov about the sort of delulu ppl im arguing with

>>42779398
You can’t reason with these people, they’re SEVERELY mentally ill and a danger to themselves and others. Good on you for figuring it out early enough and not wasting too many years on these freaks like I did. I had a pooner friend that did the exact same shit you described. I cared for them, supported them, did everything I could for them and they would just flip out randomly on me for no reason at all, calling me all these names and insulting me. Then apologize and say they’re sorry only to repeat this cycle over and over. What they didn’t realize is every time they lashed out at me I was slowly building my hate for them, bit by bit. Til finally one day it was over, they stopped texting first and I’ve never heard from them again. Biggest fucking relief in my whole life, which has gotten infinitely better now that they are no longer in it. And so will your life once you leave these people in the hell of their own making.

>>42783397
>Jamie Reed’s claims were found to be unsubstantiated going as far as even declaring they’re forcing surgeries on minors when it was investigated that surgeries are not even permitted until 18 years of age
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/st-louis-gender-clinic-accusations-unsubstantiated-internal-investigat-rcna81233

>SNBN: Only a minority of gender dysphoric youth—those with the “classic” childhood onset of cross-sex identification and distress, which persist and cause clear suffering in adolescence—will be considered as potentially eligible for hormonal interventions, pending additional, extensive multidisciplinary evaluation.
Actually agreeable and should be the standard for minors seeking gender transition

>Cass also said it was "vital" that a controversial trial of puberty blockers for under-16s went ahead
“remarkable weak evidence” as in would benefit if more studies and tests were involved, you wanker

Anymore misleading shit you want to share or should I send you counter sources?

>>42783490
>don’t waste your years on these people
>proceeds to park on the lgbt board and bitch endlessly about how rent free trannies live in his mind
self-report

>>42780450
>>42780450
If you want good people to base your opinion of trans people on, then get out of here.
If you just want to cause trouble, then get out of here.
If you are bored and are just trying to pass the time, then get out of here.
Please go away for everyone's sake. There are better places for everyone to be.

>>42781551
Hating women is in my DNA.

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>>42777974
>my bpd discord hon friends were mean to me so now all of you deserve to lose your rights
>>42780377
>I just think the care you need is forced conversion therapy tee hee, btw if you are rightfully upset by this this it's proof ur a schizo

>>42783321
do you think it makes me feel good to believe this about other people

>>42781551
>plain reactionary
Shitty rewording of "trve and rational" but alright

>>42783397
>reed outright lied about a couple things and broke HIPPAA then proceeded to try and make herself look like a victim after patient backlash
>"low quality" = "its there but i don't like it"
>Cass never disavoved PBs in the review, is a genuine retard on the topic (uhh just give them ssris during waiting or something) and immidiately got a goyverment award after making the "review"
But the raped gender never understands things like data manipulation or omission, thats what its entire "oppression" hinges on

i dont get it, OP claims transition doesn't lead to better outcomes and their only source
https://mentalhealth.bmj.com/content/27/1/e300940
just says that trans ppl experience higher incidence of mental illness than the regular population? isn't that to be expected of members of a heavily stigmatized minority? it also says the incidence of suicidality among trans ppl is not elevated compared to cis ppl when accounting for psychiatric history. how exactly does this prove that transition is harmful/doesn't work?
>>42783397
>cass review
its a bit odd to claim to care about evidentiary standards when ur evidence is a non peer reviewed work by a non expert that has been torn to shreds in actual peer reviewed publications
do you care about the quality of evidence, or don't you
>le enlightened nordic countries are already adjusting their guidelines on this stuff!
and yet transition remains legal and accessible in those places. almost like you are misrepresenting the facts...

>>42786178
there is no high-certainty evidence that gender transition works. that's just plain and simple facts and that's why many governing medical bodies are moving away from the always affirm model. i'm trusting the AMA more than random 4chan posts

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oh ok, i think i get it now
they saw the same level of suicidality among ppl who got referrals to the gender clinic and decided to transition as ppl who got referrals and decided not to transition
so the ppl who chose not to transition were no more likely to attempt suicide, so the authors say "this does not support the claims that gender reassignment is necessary to prevent suicide"
that is fairly standard statistics terminology and simply amounts to saying "the evidence we collected did not support the hypothesis"
it is not the same as saying "the evidence we collected disproved the hypothesis"
there is an obvious confounding factor in that these people were given a choice whether or not to transition, it remains possible that the people who decided transition was necessary for them may have ended up at a higher risk of suicide if forced not to transition, but obviously they cant force a control group out of those people to not transition because it would be unethical
that's why the authors conclude that psychiatric treatment is important for gender dysphoric ppl, because that was the only thing that was shown to affect suicidality
they do not conclude anything about the efficacy of gender reassignment one way or the other because their evidence did not indicate anything about its efficacy one way or the other
this is an obvious case of lay people misunderstanding scientific terminology and assuming an outcome that the study did not actually indicate
>>42786307
the ama revised their standing to say that gender related surgeries should not be performed on minors, which amounts to confirming what was already the status quo: performing gender related surgeries on minors has been and remains extremely rare
why do you keep lying about the facts here?

>>42786334
>it doesn't happen!
>okay it does happen but it's really rare! we never really pushed for that thing anyway!
>ignore the fact there was just this month a huge lawsuit about it! it's super rare!
>protect trans kids btw!
you aren't gaslighting me

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>>42786346
it is a simple fact that performing gender related surgeries on minors has been and remains extremely rare, and if you spent any amount of time on this board you would realize that quite a lot of trans ppl are opposed to the idea of spicy teenage girls lopping their tits off because they think it'll make them jungkook lol

>>42779398
>exactly the kind of shit that made me give up on supporting you guys
being accused of being a bad faith troll on a board that has been spammed by bad faith trolls and sharty/kiwifags for weeks is the kind of shit that made you give up? that's nonsense
>i hope trans people as a whole can one day get a clue
we're well aware of various optics nukes that have been damaging our community but there are so many bad faith actors everywhere like sex offenders and perverts who want to use the trans umbrella to try to normalize acting out their fetishes in public or to be closer to their potential victims. what are we supposed to do about it though?
>>42780385
yeah but kuz posted something recently about how he's okay with trans people now that he understands them more

>>42786346
also if you're so concerned about minors getting gender related surgeries why does your side never complain about the amount of teenage girls who get breast augmentation? the regret rate for them is even higher btw

>>42786375
>your side
and what do you think "my side" is? i'm also very much against breast augmentation for teenage girls. i'm against any form of cosmetic surgery unless it's purely reconstructive in nature because the entire industry is barbaric and preys on the insecurities of its clients. you know, like what i said in my original post
>>42786366
according to this thread i'm the insane one here so

>>42786368
>what are we supposed to do about it though?
gatekeep, gatekeep, gatekeep. like what gay people did to earn their rights. be a better example. be a better person. give the world one less reason to lose faith in the trans community. stop with this "everyone is le heckin valid let us give your children the pills and the surgeries" talk. shout at your fellow trans people rather than cis allies. self-police aggressively. stop apologizing for rapists and pedophiles and mass murderers

>>42786346
>a huge lawsuit
Of a pooner who suspiciously only started "regretting" the surgery once the money started getting sniffed out

>>42786575
idk. what do you think my side is? ur the one who started making generalizations.
>i'm also very much against breast augmentation for teenage girls
sure you are, and yet you're not spending your free time proselytizing against that now are u
>according to this thread
i thought u didnt take 4chan posts seriously?

>>42786575
>and what do you think "my side" is? i'm also very much against breast augmentation for teenage girls. i'm against any form of cosmetic surgery unless it's purely reconstructive in nature because the entire industry is barbaric and preys on the insecurities of its clients. you know, like what i said in my original post
Nega can you go back on tumblr screeching about how all piv is rape or something

>>42786598
it was the first lawsuit of this nature that actually won any money. there was no blood in the water yet.
>>42786601
>yet you're not spending your free time proselytizing against that now are u
you don't know what i do in my free time. and it's not like there's a forum out there encouraging teenage girls to get breast augmentation. if there is one, i'd think that's fucking disgusting and it should be eradicated. but we have tons of forums and spaces where trans people tell teenage girls they should get their boobs removed and that's apparently heckin cool and valid

>>42786595
well i sorta agree, but look at brianna wu for example, she tried to be a gatekeeping pickme and it just backfired on her because right wingers would have none of that no matter how many concessions she suggested

>>42786624
>but we have tons of forums and spaces where trans people tell teenage girls they should get their boobs removed and that's apparently heckin cool and valid
then why dont you go find one of those to screech at? this place is about as far from encouraging teen girls to transition as you could possibly get

>>42786624
>there was no blood in the water yet.
From like 2022-2023 (time israel and segm started creating detranny psyop "support groups") there was a shit ton of "lawsuits" about le poor groomed 17 year old infants who were clearly too retarded to understand that if you remove tits you won't have tits, magic concept, you clearly have to be 50 to understand it.

>>42786624
>you don't know what i do in my free time
lol, does that work on twitter?

>>42786655
because i didn't make this post to screech at anyone i made this post because i felt sad and lost and hurt. i dont find entertainment or joy in screaming at people, i'm not like you guys. i don't hate anyone
>>42786647
pandering to right wingers is never a good idea
>>42786657
this was the first successful lawsuit
>>42786667
what are you even saying
if you don't believe me then you don't believe me and no string of words i can articulate will make you believe me. so why are you responding as if you have any intention of actually engaging with conversation when you actually just want a digital punching bag. go talk to an AI chatbot

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TIL tttt loves encouraging pooners to transition, apparently

>>42777974
what is your general friend group like?

trans people you meet irl tend to be cool and chill
trans people (and frankly most people) you meet in chuddy 4chan spaces are emotionally volatile and immature

starting hrt will exacerbate issues before things get better. Continuing to be depressed and brainwormed is also terrible for your mental health and takes a toll over the years.

>>42786677
>muh first successful
Because the government bullied them into concession, you haven't seen the shit happening in America like since 2025?
Females and not understanding politics, name a better combo

>>42786677
>i made this post because i felt sad and lost and hurt
Boo fucking hoo
If you want a blowie and a pat on the back don't go on 4chan retard

>>42786699
don't be stupid. there's threads on here constantly encouraging people in general to transition. there's 16 year olds who openly ask to be groomed
>>42786710
i've said this several times in the thread. i live in a very trans-saturated place. if you really must know, i live in portland oregon. i meet/see trans people literally every time i step outside my door. i know trans people irl. i've hung out with trans people irl. i've DATED trans people irl. i dated an FtM for two years. i'm not a fucking chud who's just sitting in his mom's basement shaking my fist at clouds. i LIVE in the trans community. my friend group is a lot of left-winged people who are all trans allies like i was. i don't go on /pol/ or r/conservative or whatever the fuck you people are assuming about me

>>42786725
okay moid simmer down

why are moids incapable of empathy even after they start taking the girl pills? i thought it makes them female. thats what they always tell me. but they don't act like females. weird. anyway i'm gonna go do some shopping now, try not to rape anyone while i'm gone

>>42786732
>there's threads on here constantly encouraging people in general to transition
not pooners lmao
and judging by the sounds of things, those are the friends who turned against you? do you realize how common it is to complain here about pooners being shitty? almost like testosterone makes people act like assholes, who could have guessed? and more importantly, how is this trans womens' problem?

why are foids incapable of logic even after they start using 4chan? i thought it makes them based. thats what they always tel me. but they don't act based. weird. anyway i'm gonna go do some shitposting now, try not to cry while i'm gone

>>42786677
>because i felt sad and lost and hurt
well nona, i'm sorry you're disillusioned with some facets of the trans community, but i think talking about "peak trans" is unhelpful because it essentially paints all of us with the same broad brush.
>>42786732
>there's 16 year olds who openly ask to be groomed
i mean not really, you must be 18+ to post here and people who actually say they're underage are usually banned by the jannies, it's actually one of the rules that's more or less enforced fairly consistently
>there's threads on here constantly encouraging people in general to transition
a lot of these are genuine shitposting, at most, people here provide perspectives on how repping when you're trans can be bad for you and can backfire, but we don't really force anyone to do anything, as an adult, people should be able to weigh their options and come to an educated decision for themselves and their situation. but if someone comes here asking for help with diy or whatever then of course people would help

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>>42786769
>>42786748
>waah waah

>women take testosterone, shitty behavior ensues
>nooo wtf this is all trans womens fault, you should have been kinder to me
>women get their tits chopped off, regret ensues
>nooo wtf this is all trans womens fault, you shouldn't have encouraged me
>women complain about their lives on 4chan, insults ensue
>nooo wtf this is all trans womens fault, you should have had empathy
>women blame trans women for all their problems, pushback ensues
>nooo wtf this is all trans womens fault, you're acting like incels

>>42777974
I'm a troon (srs and everything) and I lowkey agree with you.
The only other troon I talk with IRL is one similarly "fake" as me and both of us are older and we haven't grown up into the post 2014 terminally online algorithmically enshitified "culture".
> that "the science™" is being shown to be mostly made-up bullshit
The science™ is mostly bullshit for me (I trooned for the fetish and just because I wanted to and could), but it seems to have applied to my friend who literally got better mentally the more she progressed with transition.
In reality, it's probably the case that the science™ is at best incomplete, rather than entirely bullshit.
Be that as it may, always-affirm is probably overall a bad idea. But do keep in mind that we didn't come up with this model. It was cis people who came up with this politically correct nonsense which also ended up harming young(er) troons (see the puberty blockers who nobody wanted and are a "compromise" that only serve cis people).
Also, do keep in mind that in the last decade it has been intentionally promoted to everyone (not just trannies) that all feelings are "valid" AND that everyone has an unalienable right to lash out and whoever disagrees is a "bigot". You happen to be upset about how this manifested in trannies (fair enough) but the exact same behavior has been heavily incentivized for everyone else too. Being well-adjusted is no longer appreciated. Being a cunt is the norm. Post 2020 things got even worse in this department.

>>42786913
>I trooned for the fetish
damn lmao, if that were me, i'd never ever admit something like that. why did you get srs if it's just for the fetish and not out of dysphoria? i think the reason i trooned out was mostly because i hated being treated like a man and seen as a man but i never had like genital dysphoria or anything like that, most of my dysphoria is to do with my face, so i only had stuff like laser and ffs

>>42786978
>if that were me, i'd never ever admit something like that
It's an anon board. Otherwise, only my husband knows. Of course I don't talk about any of this in public with my legal name attached to it.
In my day to day life I'm a regular professional woman.
>why did you get srs if it's just for the fetish and not out of dysphoria?
I'm mef. Srs was part of the fetish. It worked, and 7yrs later not only I don't regret it, but I'm still oddly euphoric about it.
Outside of the fetish I was indifferent about genitals, desu. I was fine either way. So the fetish was the decisive factor.
It's why I partially agree with OP even though OP is lowkey bad faith. The science™ pretends to understand all trannies and in reality it simply doesn't. What happens in reality is incentivize people to lie where gatekeeping regs are too strict (that's why DiY is such a game changer).
If it were up to me, I'd leave hrt over the counter for anyone over the age of consent (15-16 in most of the world) and that's it.
I mean... I have a friend who is basically an hrtwink. In a gatekeepy world he'd have to lie that he's a tranny and go through the humiliation ritual. But he's just a fag who wants to look cute for longer.
DiY will kill a lot of these ideologies in the next decade. And I for one am very happy with that.
Who gives a shit why people troon or how? My body my choice.
In time, I can only hope and pray that the community will realize that. Maybe when I'll be 70 I'll be talking with other old troons about the crazy days of 2014-2024 and the brainworms of that time, heh.
>i hated being treated like a man and seen as a man
As far as I'm concerned, that's just as valid.
Life's short. No reason to endure something if it can be avoided.
Hugs.

>>42787067
>It worked, and 7yrs later not only I don't regret it, but I'm still oddly euphoric about it.
oh damn, glad that worked out, honestly, that's pretty based, all things considered. i think if srs was perfect and worked universally well for everyone, i'd also go for it.
>Who gives a shit why people troon or how? My body my choice.
i think that's true in terms of hrt access and stuff, but what about things like legal recognition, do you think there should or shouldn't be any gatekeeping there?