>>42787515
You can always just inject the other kind of hrt

>>42787515
is this mere self-doubt or do you feel worse on E?

>>42787515
Zoomers are so fried, the only E we took in my day was Ecstasy, and I guarantee you it was a whole lot better than redistributed fat deposits and mood swings.

>>42787606
but what if i masculinize and become even more of an ogrehon and then regret it
>>42787609
i feel better on E actually
but maybe its just normal
like if you took some random guy and injected him with it he would probably feel good too, maybe its just how the body and mind respond to it or whatever

>>42787632
>like if you injected a cis guy with E he’d feel good to
literally no they wouldn’t, they’d feel like shit as well as confused and highly dysphoric by the emotional rollercoaster that’s brought upon them

>>42787646
Lies. There's no physical difference between a "trans" person and a "cis" person.

>>42787656
>John Money case

>>42787664
The trans narrative of the John Money case is distorted beyond recognition. Much like their bodies.

>>42787708
>gender identity is clearly understood in the John Money case and how it led to the death of a man that was for all intensive purposes raised to be a girl since birth, forced srs upon them due to genital defect, yet was consistent that they did not identify as a girl
>transphobes: no, no, this doesn’t prove gender identity!!
delusional and unable to escape your bias

is it possible to inject E and T at the same time? i want the best of both hormones.

>>42787807
>possible?
yes
>will it provide any positive effects?
no it will actually do quite the opposite involving hormonal fluctuations with usually the worse of both worlds expressed in secondary sex characteristics
>fathom the pooner meme pic

>>42787773
It proves "gender identity" is bullshit and your brain is made of beans.

David had no gender identity one way or the other, he was lied to and manipulated and knew something felt off BECASE he was lied to and manipulated. He didn't gel with "being a girl" because he innately resonated with being a boy because the concept of "boy" is a reflection of the state of being male. Money and what he did to David proves sex and gender are intrinsically linked,

David knew he was a boy BECAUSE HE ***WAS*** A BOY.

You fucking people.

>>42787515
>to man up
that's a cope for the reppers

>>42787887
i am a coping repper

>>42787632
you should find some random guy and start giving him E injections to test that theory

>>42787916
that seams unfeasible in practice but you know what im saying makes sense in theory

>>42787855
>because he was a boy
how would he fucking know he’s a boy if he’s been thoroughly reconstructed and conditioned to be a girl? Hint hint, it’s because it’s his internal identity. GENDER IDENTITY. You nitwit. It’s the same concept where cis people feel dysphoria when their body express characteristics of the opposite gender: i.e. men who have breasts due to gynecomastia feel emasculated and less like a man. Men with smaller dicks feel emasculated and less like a man. Women with PCOS and abnormal testosterone levels, feel masculine and less like a woman. Women whose genetic profile produces a square jaw, or broad shoulders, feel masculine and less like a woman.

Learn to critically think you baboon

>>42787708
>john money
I find it fitting the progenitor of the modern trans movement was a sick pedophile freak that should have been violently executed.

>>42787945
Look up the words innate and intrinsic.

>>42787646
>emotional rollercoaster
havent really experienced this. more intense in general but just dont get sad?

>>42787970
Also appropriate that his last name was Money.

>>42788045
High estrogen makes men more weepy and emotional. Can make erections softer and reduce libido. And bloating from water retention.

>>42788088
>>42788045
i just feel calmer honestly

>>42788145
>i just feel calmer honestly
same. except kinda less when stuck in traffic lol

>>42788145
unironically same lmfao

>>42788145
Probably psychosomatic.

>>42788198
wdym

>>42787995
>deflects

>>42788276
He knew he was a boy because he was a boy. Money thought he could convince him he was a girl because he THOUGHT gender and sex were separate. Turns out they are not.

>>42788302
>continues circular logic out of desperation to never agree to the concept of gender identity
>still ignores the elephant in the room of cis people experiencing gender dysphoria from the earlier comment
take your L already

>>42788327
Not at all, it's so obvious, I don't know how you people get it twisted.

Money: "We can raise David as a girl because there's no difference anyway, gender is just a social construct!"
*Tries to raise David as a girl but he resonates with being a boy anyway*

This disproves Money's hypothesis that gender is socially constructed. It shows gender REFLECTS biology.

No "identity" needed. He knew the girl gender didn't properly describe his state of being.

David was male. "Boy" is the male gender. David KNEW HE WAS A BOY despite being lied to because he was MALE. You see? They are linked.

>>42788224
High estrogen does not cause calmness in men. You have a weird association with estrogen so you think that it does.

>>42788444
im psyoping myself into thinking it makes me calm you mean?
but its real
like i expected to become a hormonal mess since thats what i read before taking the plunge but the opposite is what happened

>>42788433
>knew the girl gender did not describe his state of being
>gender identity
Your argument also implodes on itself when you have trannies going decades on HRT yet do not feel discomfort due to their transition. Also:
>still ignoring that cis people experience gender dysphoria

>>42788433
Did this man just proved that gender identity that comes from within and depends on the person's preference and using that against trans people?

That's a whole new level of absurdism

>>42787855
>he innately resonated with being a boy
this is literally what transsexuals claim. he innately 'resonated' with being a boy, meaning there must have been something innate in his brain that told him he was a boy. we call this neurosex. trannies have an altered neurosex.

>>42787515
I was repping so hard I did trt first and one dose was enough to know I hated that shit. You're probably just being wpath hondosed. Just diy mono. If high dose E makes you feel like shit... Then try trt it will probably make you feel better. You're probably just a low T bitch boy.

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>>42788579
>we call this neurosex
You motherfuckers just really be making shit up

>>42788606
so anon, for him to know, there has to be something in his brain. do you disagree with that premise?

>>42788606
cope

>>42788632
>The term was coined by feminist scholar Cordelia Fine in a 2008 article and popularised by her 2010 book Delusions of Gender.
Lmaooooo

>>42788533
>>42788545
>>42788579

>Raise dog as a cat. Dog barks. This proves being a dog is an internal sense of identity.

YOU PEOPLE ARE RETARDED

>>42788591
im on diy mono im not being hondosed
and i feel good
but what if im being retarded

>>42788641
the dog literally has instincts to bark hardwired into its brain, so yeah, that does work actually.

>>42788606
Dude just take whatever hormones you want. It's 2026. People jork it to computer generated tits and the birthrate everywhere is declining... There's forever chemicals in the ground water, there's nano plastics in our brains. They're literally raping and eating children... and you're here giving a fuck what bio modding people do and whether or not it's valid? Stop worrying about everyone else and go be happy.

>>42788708
that guy is not me (OP) if thats what ur thinking
probably just some chud

>>42788686
Ohhhh darling, I think I know what's going on... How long have you been doing mono?

>>42788708
>birthrate everywhere is declining
That means I shouldn't sterilize myself.

>>42788727
like a few months

>>42788743
Lol it means it doesn't matter if you do or not. Most people are not trans. You're talking about maybe 1-2% of the population. Which means 98+% are still experiencing birthrate decline. It literally doesn't matter what you do. You could have 10 children and it wouldn't make a difference.

>>42788641
Broooo, you are so retarded

https://youtu.be/e8tWJlXeIXo?si=QwNHsN3OcZjShSpO

This has happened so many times when dogs start to behave as cats and when cats start to behave like dogs when treated with a family of othe species

Do they start meowing? Nope that's a biological feature
Do they start "behaving" like a cat and believing they are a cat? Yes and that has happened alot, when a dog is introduced to a cat family since birth and vice versa

Not only this guy just proved gender identity is something that comes from a person's own self (the money boy case)

But also proved that surroundings can also greatly effect an individual's whole behavior even SPECIES wise in case of animals

Buddy just drop the phone and think before typing before proving yourself wrong again and again

>>42788702
Yes, exactly. And there's nothing hardwired in the dogs brain to make him meow.

Money tried to raise a dog to meow, but no, that won't work, because a dog is a dog is a dog.

>>42788799
Biology*

>>42788803
Dogs and cats do not meow or bark in their non domesticated forms. It is socialised behaviour they do to signal needs to humans. This is also why captive birds make vastly different sounds to wild ones.

So this whole thought experiment is retarded, unless your point is that human social behaviour is ultimately performative for needs meeting? Because that would suggest that if some boy had the need to be seen as a girl, then trying to make themselves adjust to that role would be perfectly valid behaviour.

Besides, from an actuarial standpoint, meowing and barking are the same behaviour. They both are actions intended to get the attention of humans. Dog barking is identical behaviour to meowing. A dog barking is a dog meowing. This is because dog and cat are different species. But boy and girl are not. This whole dog meowing discussion is fully retarded.

>>42788810
This is literally the part of biology, mind is a part of the "biology" you speak of, and what I just stated is how this "biology" works with literal fact

How many copes do you still have left?

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>>42788880
>Raise dog to be cat
>Dog is still a dog
This proves dogs can be cats and cats can be dogs!

>>42788803
not quite, anon! see, genetics is a little weird: did you know you and i still have the genetic information inside our bodies to grow a tail? we just dont because those genes are deactivated! in the same way, you have the genetic information inside you right now to grow, say, a vagina. in fact, you actually *did* grow a vagina in your mother's womb, before it turned into a penis due to hormone exposure controlling which genes express themselves. and that process is also going to have to include the genes that code for, say, one's innate sense of gender. so if there was some kind of development issue, we can conceive of a situation in which a male fetus develops with a female neurosex due to a genetic problem, incorrect hormone exposure, etc., while a dog's genome lacks any of the genetic information that gives a cat its meowing instincts, so a dog that meows would not happen.

>>42788796
>it doesn't matter if you do or not
That line of thinking is how we got in this predicament in the first place.

I did this and it was the most horrifying 6 months of my life

prbably but it would be a miracle if the T still worked on your flabby gynomale body

>>42789404
what was
E or T

>>42789425
why??

>>42789454
T after taking HRT 16-18

>>42787656
our brains are different, actually. Studies repeatedly show trans people have brains that more closely resemble the baseline standard of the opposite sex
a brain with feminine growth patterns will always respond better to E and a brain with masculine growth patterns will always respond better to T

>>42787855
what it proves is that it can't be forced on you. Contrary to Money's theory (which he incorrectly presented as correct), cis people arent cis because they were raised that way but because they ARE that way. Trans people werent raised to be the opposite sex, but they naturally identify with them

>>42788058
tbf the first person to discover the neurological differences in trans and cis people was Dr Milton Diamond

>>42790977
Thats literally not true at all. What is true, is transwomens brains are larger than cis womens.