>>42957596
i think it's designed to include people who don't want to transition?

>>42957596
those two terms dont mean the same thing anon...

>>42957596
It's to make cis straight liberal white women feel good.
When they shout at people, they can call themselves "trans masculine" because they get to be in the club.

transfem = includes feminine non-binaries who don’t identify as women
transmasc = includes masculine non-binaries who don’t identify as men
trans women = only includes those who identify as women
trans men = only includes those who identify as men

>>42957596
its inclusive of people who arent able to pass or dont want to. some people feel masculinity and femininity can be embodied but male and female are social performances that can never truly be fully attained

>>42957692
there are four terms being discussed, and each one has a unique definition

>>42957710
>"transfem = includes feminine non-binaries who don’t identify as women"
>"i don't identify as a woman... I DO identify as feminine tho hehehe :<"
this is fucking retarded

>>42957722
i meant like trans masc/fem vs trans woman/man

>>42957596
basically this >>42957686 but I have seen it used in studies that are supposedly about the effects of hrt so it just seems like a lot of ppl unthinkingly adopt it to show they're 'good ppl'

>>42957728
literally me, but i don't tell anyone because i realize how it sounds. i think millions of twinks and femboys feel this way

>>42957728
You can be feminine without identifying as a woman

>>42957737
i think a lot of cis people also gravitate towards it since it allows them to avoid calling us men and women

>>42957710
What's meant by "feminine" and "masculine" in that sense? Could a non-binary person who was AMAB and presents masculine say they're transmasc?

>>42957737
If you aren't transitioning then why does the term "trans" need to be applied to you at all?

>>42957752
a masc presenting theymab... ive never met one, what would someone identifying as that even be trying to communicate exactly lol

theyfab/theymab retardation (mostly theyfab)

>>42957780
ive met theymabs wont dress like men. they never called themselves transmasc tho

>>42957596
It was too include nonpartisan nonbinaries which aren't real anyways

nonbinary identities are just retarded
it's so pointless and just wrapped in layers and layers of cope, either cope for being an insecure trans woman or cope for being an insecure cis woman
nobody actually believes in this stuff

>>42957796
the closest thing ive seen is super long term trans women presenting butch. they will always say butch though. so a theymab will never be transmasc lol thats jokes

>>42957722
Do they tho????

>>42957806
so what should insecure people identify as instead? you want more hons demanding people get their pronouns right?

>>42957780
I recall reading a story about one a long time ago, either on reddit or twitter. They're a friend of the cis woman who posted the story, and according to her they tried attending a meeting or something that was advertised as being for "women and non-binary people" not realizing what that typically means, and they got kicked out and they cried.

>>42957821
I don't see how calling yourself transfem vs a trans woman changes the optics of hons demanding pronouns

>>42957710
i dont identify as anything but I take estrogen so I call myself a trans woman anyway whenever I need to. But generally I don't "disclose" as its not part of my self as I see it

>>42957745
Not in any way that matters though

>>42957741
>i think millions of twinks and femboys feel this way
Kinda. I'm an hrt femboy. The closest thing to describe me would be "transfeminine" but because it sounds cringe, I don't say that. However, I do look like a pooner now so maybe I could optics nuke pooners hahaha

>>42957823
i never thought those places would actually kick out a theymab. kinda just assumed theyd just avoid them the whole time

>>42957806
ever seen a "nonbinary person" say something like "im amab but wish i was afab" without a hint of irony
i swear the whole thing is a psyop to encourage repression

>>42957856
I >>42957835 could kinda identity with "non-binary" if it wasn't such a poisoned term. Instead i just go whatever I want and let people gender me however they see fit. I simply don't care

>>42957843
erm, transfeminine is not cringe. happy for queen <3

>>42957856
hmm ive seen a few nbs who try rly hard to be andro. i feel like theres some merit to it

>>42957596
>Where the fuck did the terms "transfem" and "transmasc" come from?
tumblr
>What was so wrong with trans man and trans woman?
non-binary people also exist

>>42957863
wear/present however I want*

Which is kinda androgynous lesbian-ish
Hyperfem makes me cringe and feel anxious and too traditionally masculine is boring and doesn't fit right...

autistics are obsessed with pedantry and use every synonym they can get their lips around

>>42957867
i admit ive seen that too but ive seen so many more cis people use it or (binary) trans people use it that it conveys no meaning anymore

maybe off topic? i have always related more with the native american social role for trannies. basically being a spiritual leader. i could totally be that in another life

>>42957832
so if i don't want to demand pronouns then what am i? this board pink pilled me and said i could just take hrt to stay cute and stuff. i don't care about the charade of transitioning but i like hrt.. i'm hooked.
>>42957843
you could lol but it's not worth being a living meme maybe strategically it could be fun
>>42957856
why is that hard to understand? if i were afab it would be easier to be fem but i'm not so

>>42957886
yeah i think since theres no established gender norms for our "third gender" it has no rules and that becomes appealing to people who want to feel special without trying or people who want to not be cis without trying

>>42957865
>queen
Not there yet. But since the other choice is to age like my father, I'll likely get there eventually. Maybe hagmaxx, lol.

>>42957749
yeh that's a good point too, but I think mostly they just treat it like a monolith and want good girl/boy points for using the 'correct' new terms
>>42957759
since that's what they do now, but it also raises the issue that if u give nb ppl hrt too and treat all measurements as the same group then what use is it???
like the satisfaction w/ outcome is going to be different if ur nb or a woman or a man
it poisons the whole methodology of research in this new age

>>42957897
>so if i don't want to demand pronouns then what am i
demanding pronouns has literally nothing to do with what you are
the reality is that society is going to see you as a man or a woman one way or another, calling yourself transfem is just another word for woman

>>42957897
i don't understand how being male and wanting to be female is nonbinary

>>42957897
>it could be fun
That's the only reason I am considering it (although without much thought to it and largely as a joke).
>i don't care about the charade of transitioning but i like hrt.. i'm hooked
Yeah, same. Except I now get gendered female way too often, lol.
In the end I might not be able to avoid the humiliation ritual of "social transition".

>>42957867
aiming for andro is so hard. societal standards n shitt

>>42957915
because i can't be female, but i can be fem.
>>42957913
i don't call myself as a transfem and society sees me fem for a male which is better than being a hon surely

>>42957925
its piss easy for me. It's feminine that's actually hard without looking off

>>42957931
see this stupid label is preventing you from having surgery and integrating into society as the girl you wish to be

>>42957931
>i don't call myself as a transfem and society sees me fem for a male which is better than being a hon surely
that's fine, but what you're describing is just a social identity. If you were born a man and really want to be a woman, you're a trans woman regardless of how you identify socially.

>>42957943
Honestly a trans woman should just be AMAB + estrogen
Identity is fake and gay

>>42957943
so true, listen to this queens opinion

>>42957952
>Honestly a trans woman should just be AMAB + estrogen
By that standard i've been a transwoman for 12 years, lol.
t. >>42957924

>>42957963
Yeah, boymoders are trans women too. Deal with it, estrogen makes you function female over time

>>42957952
yup. gatekeeping gender identities bad

>>42957980
It's a process though, you aren't a full trans woman day one, or even after a if you're taking 1mg oral without AA...
I'd say 3 years high dose HRT for full status

>>42957974
>Deal with it
Yes ma'am :(

>>42957974
>function female
This isn't real

>>42957952
I mean it's just a matter of perspective, I think you're still a trans woman before taking estrogen, wanting to be the opposite sex / having gender dysphoria is what makes you trans

>>42957958
yuuuuuppppppppop

>>42958013
No, you're just aspiring to be trans..

it wouldve been so cool if i couldve been a girl thru highschool and college. fuck being a boy frfr

>>42958013
it is perspective but it's about which perspective is most useful, for example what the other anon argues for would exclude that a man can ever take hrt and not be a woman
likewise, u exclude that a trans person that transitions has a lived experience and physiological response in alignment w/ that of their target sex, or that it is important at all
another perspective is that trans is necessarily contextual and so u have to have the inherent quality prior to transition, plus transition, and the lived experience of a woman in context as that context will in turn further shape ur development as a woman
differences in perspectives only works when u understand what u include and exclude, and have good reasons for that

>>42957995
you would also need to have an operation to function in society as a female

>>42958116
word salad

>>42958138
yeh so true bestie fr fr

>>42957925
it is its harder than passing mtf. im sure in the future it will become easier

transfem = woke
trans woman = based
/thread

>>42958546
what about the other way?

>>42958556
transmasc?

>>42958636
duh

>>42958655
transmasc = fake
trans man = humiliation ritual

Because no matter how long I’ve been out of the closet (17 years ago), no matter how long I’ve passed, or how much I’ve been accepted, I know I can’t have a baby, I can’t be a mom, I can’t be woman. We just aren’t. We are transgender, transsexual, but not women. Words mean things. Female means you were born with vagina, xx chromosomes, and can pass mitochondrial dna onto your child. None of those apply to me.

All using “woman” does is confuse cis people and make them hate us, especially since we aren’t invisible anymore. No one was ever going to think of a hon as a real woman, but it’s less messy for a passoid to be called one and doesn’t harm anyone, usually their husband would end up knowing and being ok with it.

It also confuses young people into thinking that sex changes are real. They’re not. They’re aesthetic and half-functional surgeries at best.

>>42960368
i agree. how would you describe your gender identity? mine is feminine but because i am bio male, how can i say female?

>>42961283
Transfeminine? I prefer she/her but I don’t tell people, they just do it naturally. I do have a girls name though so that’s probably part of it.

I always disclose to partners, I’m always surprised by which ones act surprised. I always assume they’re lying but idk, people seem to think I pass. I mention it because desu I wouldn’t be as happy if people were just calling me dude and he all the time

>>42957596
i think it's supposed to include enbies but transfem is basically only used by trannies with too much self hatred to call themselves women, and transmasc is basically only used by woman looking for attention but will never actually transition

>>42957596
>because iwnbaw/iwnbam
Cringe, but reasonable.
>including "non-binary"
Cringe and intentionally insufferable. Trans inclusivity is a plague.

>>42957596
they came from transphobes, but it's ok because they're good kind of transphobes that totally get what being trans is.

>>42962088
/thread

>>42960368
>>42957716
Probably a more realistic expectation

>>42960368
>>42962074
Oh, fellow oldfag.
Thing is that although you're technically correct, it's quite a mouthful to say "I'm a guy who's been on hrt for 15yrs [my case], has had srs and goes by she/her pronouns". It also confuses normalfags needlessly. Granted, I also don't hang out in queer spaces much but overwhelmingly with normalfags.