Hi, I am amab.I wish I was afab. If I was afab my childhood would've been cooler, I would've gotten more attention and love/affection from parents. I know not all families are like this, but my parents preferred girls and gave a lot more attention and resources to my cisters.If I was afab my teenage life would've been so cool. I could be scene or goth or w/e and be a cool girl. I could do cool makeup and all sorts of things. If I was afab I would've gotten a much easier time in college admissions, career guidance, easier grading, all kinds of things.Also if I was afab I would be a pretty girl all the time and while I still might like plastic surgery and filler and stuff I wouldn't need as much of it.Anyone else know this feeling? What would your life look like if you were afab?>Schizopostmode: Do you think you were afab in the "real" non matrix world and rokko's basilisk or the like made you amab to torment you? Or something like this even if another religion or philosophy?
>>42958988yes and theyre tauning me they poke and they prod ive gone deranged lowk
>>42958988Grass is always greener and all that
I wish i didn't have childhood trauma. As for sex, if i were AFAB i'd probably be kinda retarded like one too, and I appreciate my strategist mind too. So dunno...
>>42959013For the sake of argument lets say you keep your base personality/ like afabs that are similar to you. Still miss out on some male stuff perhaps like excessive cooming but yea. Also interested to hear FTM stories in this format, how you think your life would've looked if you were amab. Very interested to hear for perspective. As specific as possible makes it best!
literally everyone wishes they were born female unless they live in a shithole countryfoids have all the possible social tools one could have at their disposal other than being physically intimidating
>>42959092Yea pretty much I think most ftms are from shithole countries or US states (i.e. alabama, rural michigan). FTMs born in good/modern areas become Cerseimoders
>>42959033I can't answer, my entire youth was segregated by gender because of institutionalisation at 6, I would've been radically different person if I were born AFAB
>>42959092take your HRT
>>42959132Do you think you would've been institutionalized in the first play if afab?
>>42959202Prolly not. Girls are more compliant and well-behaved and I wouldn't have lashed out the way I did (apparently I broke the headmasters PC, prolly deserved it tho)
>>42958988I'm a kinda a pessimistic personI also like had the parents prefer my sister treatment but likemy sister would get violent with me and it would be seen as a "wow you beat a man that's so cool" and not "you can't use violence" she hit me the other week for being on my phone while watching a movie at homethe makeup and potential benefits probably don't exist but like, I mourn my innocenceEven passing I hate people talking to me and knowing that the fact that they view me as an equal human being because I had to literally hack my biology so people could see me as someone worth existing I just wish I could just believe in the innate goodness of people but like whenever people are nice to me I think imagine how much better my life would have been if I had experienced this my whole life
>>42958988I love how transgender language developed to understand transgender journeys is now being used to erase transgender existence.
>>42959256No one wants to be trans. They want to change sex.
>>42959249When men get abused, they are then ridiculed by society for letting it happen. But if you lash out, you could've ended up in chains like me, and even pushed a heavy mental health diagnosis onto, medicalized, gaslighted, and fundamentally destroyed. I'm convinced they gave me the diagnosis so they could harvest me as a "client" within their system
>>42959267NTA but just say "I wish I was born a woman" then. You people just use AMAB/AFAB to mean man/woman nowadays.
>>42959285because AMAB/AFAB is all that matters in the end.Even if you pass perfectly, once you break stealth you're just a rapist moid again
>>42959292Then say "I wish I was born cis.""AMAB" includes trans women and "AFAB" includes trans men. Both terms also include intersex people of both genders. You retarded trannies use those terms in the same way theyfabs/cis women use them, to exclude and to group FTMs with women and MTFs with men.
>>42959319society treats mtfs as male predators, and ftms as female victimsnormies dont give a shit about ur intersex status either. Ur either a moid or a foid and thats it bub
>>42959292It's not even passing perfectly. It's about how if I had a tiny foid skeleton and put in this same amount of work I'd be like 10/10 gigastacy rather than a pretty passing tranny. It's like there are some heights I can't reach as amab due to large amab upper ribcage or shoulders.Then there's also the lost time, the lost childhood, the lost teenage life I didn't get.I'm not like the other poster, I grew up in a mixed sex environment. I know exactly what my life would be if I was afab. And it would've been amazing. It was oddly denied to me.
>>42959326So FTMs should just start calling themselves women and MTFs should just start calling themselves men because that's what society wants?
>>42959346this is in the context of when you don't pass so people treat you like your birth sex
>>42959336Im amab with a tiny foid skeleton but an extremely brutal male childhood (that poster). I can stealth sometimes, look smaller than most women my height, but I'm basically a giant tomboy. In the end im just a male who's probably intersex
>>42959346It's more there are some ways in which being trans sucks regardless of social treatment. Some things you can never have even if you are a perfectly passing and well treated trans. Things like a tiny ribcage or being a cool alt girl in highschool or getting nicer treatment from teachers or having guys do your hw for you
>>42959358So why not just wish you were cis? It's what every single tranny wants.
>>42959358No its in the context of breaking stealth, passing is irrelevant, you have to actively be able to fool people and keep up the charade
>>42959370Because theyfabs tend to have a lot of the traits I want/tend to be more feminine than cis women and they are not cis
>>42959377and ftmfemboys, they tend to mog most ciswomen in many proportions except boobs>>42959358>>42959375Idk I'm OP. The context I meant was even for socially accepted stealth trans it sucks not being afab. There are some things you just don't get due to being amab. Like until artifical wombs, that's another big one. Can't have it. Denied. Rokko's Basilisk torture, etc.
>>42959383at least i don't bleed from my crotch every month, or have to sit to pee always. And I don't have a vaginal weirdly close to my anus. And we have lower risk of breast cancer
>>42959326>society treats mtfs as male predators, and ftms as female victimsWhich is wrong. Trans women are women. Trans men are men. Your assigned gender at birth is there to describe your journey into gender self acceptance, and through transition, to hopefully living an authentic life as your true gender. But then enbies and theyfabs come into trans spaces and divide us up by out AGABs anyway, praising trans men as "fighting back against patriachal gender stereotypes" when trans men are trying to join the patriarchy, not tear it down. While admonishing trans women for not ackowledging their "AMAB privilege" completely denying any struggles we face as both transgender and as women.
>>42959392>cis women love telling each other "omg I can never have kids" and they respond "omg that's such a slay" >if you stand to pee as a troon that's kinda rapey>some of us will spend our lifes savings on a vagina>sorry you have a flat hon chest that has no tissue to get cancer in
>>42959420I think trans women are just trans women, and the same idea for ftms, but normie society isn't sufficiently advanced they can consider your gender to be human if not equated to something they already know
>>42959425When life hands you lemon, anon... We can also blast ridiculous estrogen levels without uterus issues or the same breast cancer risk resulting from that. And keep youthful appearance for longer
>>42958988i wish i was amab so i could be a trans woman
>>42959436Are the normies in the room with us right now? No? So fuck what normies think. This is a space for autistic trannies, and autistic trannies speak correctly about gender.A trans woman is neurologically female but genetically male. A trans man is neurologically male but genetically female. Since your neurology and not your genetic govern your identity, the identity of a trans woman is female, and the identity of a trans man is male. Doctors don't perform a neurological exam when they assigne your gender at birth. They just look between your legs and decide "male", "female" or "problem to be fixed". This results in enourmous amounts of trauma as girl are raised as boys and exposed to high doses of testosterone for years or even decades until they figure out they're transgender and the doctors got it wrong. Meanwhile boys are raised as girl and miss out completely on all the major milestones as boys eventually transitioning in adulthood with stunted physical and psychological growth. These are facts. These are not a matter of opinion, this is the true reality of living as a transgender person in the year of our lord two thousand and twenty six. If 99% of people disagree with this, then 99% of people are wrong, and it wouldn't be the first time.
>>42959483We are hybrids, it's an insult to call me neurologically female desu. We get best of both
>>42959450You don't. Being trans is literally hell. My choices were:Self inflicted torture for the rest of my natrual lifePublic humiliation and ostracisation for the rest of my lifeOr suicide.
>>42959490afabs who fetishize being mtf are weird as hellIt's like fetishizing being an obedient muslima in Saudi arabia or some dumb shit
>>42959495I mean, they dont fetishise our IQ or technical skills either, but the aesthetics and culture...
>>42959495Nah I think I understand afabs who fetishize hons specifically. It's like they wish to be a man or are attracted to manly men and hons are the most manly of all. They look like a man despite doing everything they can to look like a girl. They're hyper masc in a sense.
>>42959483>A trans woman is neurologically female but genetically male.>A trans man is neurologically male but genetically female.
>>42959517thats retarded, but since we are talking about AFABs i can believe it
>>42959519It's true. THey just left out the part where having a neurologically female brain inside a male body is torture and so is vice versa
>>42959519Even if trans ppl gain like 5% neurological sex-change from hormones it's quite significant imo
>>42959503Our culture is non-existant because we struggle to even exist IRL, so everything is taking place online. And our asthetics are ugly hairy steroid-fucked giants who need to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to look like the sort of retarded girl who fetishized being a trans woman. But really you scratch between the surface and actually they just want to be "effiminate men" because that's how they see us, not the women we are, but as fantasy gay vampires. Making the point once again about theyfabs in trans spaces.
>>42959543Yeah estrogen isn't gonna make em look like that though. Men who look like that are cis and wearing makeup and very deliberate styling. Estrogen grows you tits within weeks
>>42959543Also these are completely unrealistic proportions for 99% of males... Like bitch, I have hips and tits and pass as female to people. I suppose theyfabs would hate me
>>42959539OH NO NO NO HAHAHAHA.Also you're astronomically retarded if you think you could determine a baby's "gender identity" with a "neurological exam".
And they are forgetting that mtfs have to pass through extremely traumatic childhoods and coming-outs often times, permanently crippling their life potential
>>42959569are these "trans women" even on HRT, we dont know anything. I've been doing high dose DIY injections for years, thats also a bit different from 2mg of progynova..
>>42959319nta but okay anon i understand.i wish i was a woman. i wish i wasn't born in the rape gender.
>>42959580Fuck HRT got to do with anything? You're making shit up and trying to make it pass as science, shut your bitch ass up faggot. You transmeds literally cannot win so stop trying so hard.
>>42959599kys trender
>>42959569I'm not sure what you think that proves.
>>42959292to the collective, sure (it's taxing)to ascended souls, nah
>>42959648the ascended souls being like 0.2% of the population, never forming anything close to a majority anywhere on the planet.
>>42959569source?
>>42959602I made you my bitch. You're universalizing your own experience while being incredibly ignorant. Transwomen with very succesful transitions 40 years ago didn't even report any symptoms of "Gender Dysphoria", and yet here you are with your affirming gender agony. You probably look like an ogre but that's okay you're a woman because your brain is, or whatever made up bullshit you can come up with. You're the real trender since you would never even have thought of being a woman if you hadn't been born in the last 30 years.
>>42959665HRT affects brain development retard. Lots of words to say nothing you have there
>>42959377>Because theyfabs tend to have a lot of the traits I want/tend to be more feminine than cis women and they are not cisTheyfabs are not real, retard. They're cis women.
>>42958988periods, cramps, menopause, while amabs just... exist? i don't get it.
>>42959488>We get best of bothBased take.As srsoid:- no periods- no cramps- normal sex life- longer youth (due to high and consistent E levels- tho desu afabs could do this too but they don't)- mixed personality (a lot more attractive than this board claims)- understand men better (very useful to me)- can look at other women more detached and not fall for intrasexual competition all the time- lower risk of cancer>>42959555>Estrogen grows you tits within weeksYes, about 50+ weeks, to be more precise.
>>42959652not gonna contradict that, big agree
>>42958988i grew up afab, alt/emo artsy tomboyi think its fine to mourn a childhood you missed out on, but you need to understand that what you described is the most fantasy version of being a girl.at no point was a grading rubric bent for me. if i wasnt in school or sleeping, i usually had to be studying. i did not have many friends because i was too weird. when i went to college prep, i wasn't allowed to go to the better school with more funded clubs and a broader curriculum because it was all-male. in college, my female roommates straight up bullied me because i wasn't girly enough and they thought i was a lesbian.you are who you are, and the past you wish for was never a guarantee. make the most of what you have now. do makeup - the tutorials and products are much better now, especially if you are into alt stuff. be the cool goth girl. if you want a better career, put your heart into it and make concrete plans to get there. give yourself what makes you happy. no one else can.
>>42959978What are you now? If ftm then you can't appreciate it in the same way imo. It's like making someone who really loves fighting and sports to be forced into art class, it doesn't work.Also:>at no point was a grading rubric bent for me. if i wasnt in school or sleeping, i usually had to be studying>i usually had to be studyingSee you got more attentive care due to being afab rather than ignored. This plays into the better academics. It's not just more lenient grading, but it's also much more support. I've been on both sides in academia and seen my projects graded as moid and passing tranny. It's just so much more lenient as a girl, given the benefit of the doubt rather than the opposite pretty much. So default project grade is an A and have to fight to make it lower by doing bad rather than default of a D and having to fight for more. For objective assignments like math tests it can vary there too, often people the teacher/prof/tas like more will get extra credit or more lenient grading. If scantron, that's tougher, but even there you can be offered more ec. >i wasn't allowed to go to the better school with more funded clubs and a broader curriculum because it was all-maleYea I think this is a big part of it. Nothing like that existed for me, lots of girls only stuff but not boys only. I think female/male preference is highly regional, cultural, and classoural based.I'd also disagree a bit with the "ideal" girl life framing. I know pretty much the exact individuals would've been hanging out with if I was afab as those variables kind of set at least for the town I grew up in. So tell me, what would your ideal boy life look like? I want to know how you dream it
