Sometimes I'll tell people on public discord servers about where they can buy estradiol and find information on dosaging and safe practices, and more often than not someone who I know 100% IS trans will try to ostracize me for it and tell the other person to ignore me or try to scare them off.I never understood this, how can it be such a prevalent sentiment? Why is it even a thing? How am I evil for telling people that want to get on hrt HOW they can get on hrt.
>>42962208>Sometimes I'll tell people on public discord servers about where they can buy estradiol and find information on dosaging and safe practicesCan you explain why you do this?
>>42962219because helping people get on HRT who want to is good
>>42962219Because I think if people want to transition then transitioning is a good thing for them.
>>42962208I don't get it either, DIY is taking your life into your own hands, I think some people are just weenies(even though I get mine through the gubberment)
>>42962226I agree
>>42962208cisnormies think hrt is a dangerous experimental real life genderbending concoction which melts your organs if you take 1ml too much or too little. it was introduced while they were watching news 5 years ago so they think it's wacky and new.then they'll turn around and buy weed off a random nigga behind a chick fil a
>>42962208The average person is a authority-worshipping, cowardly NPC
>>42962208that's really not how you use the word ontologically lol
>>42962270idk why people keep using it to mean fundamentally
>>42962270I know, it was bump bait
>>42962208People have mentally given over control over their own healthcare to doctors, to do otherwise smacks of arrogance.
>>42962226If someone really wants to they can find the info without your help. You are making everything worse because you want to feel like a hero
>>42962311Kys chuddy
>>42962311How am I making things worse, please explain.
>>42962316If I was a chud I'd be doing what you are doing
>>42962208Congratulations on being one of the 25-30% of people with actual individual souls. At some point, you will realise the majority are NPCs. Literal zombies pretending to be people. It's a lonely life.It's always been like this. Even 20-30 years ago. I was berated at old support groups for the same thing back then. Nothing has changed. Fake people will never understand real shit; and fixing your own problems is beyond them.Congrats. You would have been one of the teen transitioners who made it or died trying like I was.
>>42962311wtf>>42962320I agree what is this psyop against DIY
>>42962320By helping track and shut down DIY providers making it harder to access for people who actually need it
>>42962208a lot of people are to retarded to give them self medical care and honestly shouldn't be allowed to. i think diy should be around for those smart enough but i honestly like that their is a taboo cause it filters the low iq.
>>42962346you literally just get a crypto wallet and then get blood work done.. its not some 4d chess game
>>42962208>Why do normal people reject DIY ontologically?because normies are goy cattle
>>42962370>just interpret your own simple blood test resultsYou have no idea how intimidating that is to the average normie retard
>>42962423im decently misanthropic but like someone googling "average hormone levels for cis female" and comparing is not crazy lol
NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER
>>42962239of course even we pretend like this is true and you have people adjusting their dose every three months on "level changes" that really reflect dose timing, test timing, diet, and sleep...and the doctors go along with it because more tests = more money
>>42962208People who drink vodka and smoke weed will get mad at u for providing others with literally harmless medication because they’re too scared to research it
>>42962258See I thought it was this but no. Ppl who smoke weed everyday (illegal) will still get all righteous abt hrt. It’s just abt conformity I think but I have no idea. Ppl r retarded
>>42962582a lot of people just assume the doctor will help us because they know their doctor helped them (or at least played along well enough that they didn't notice)i had to go off hrt for like 18 months because i couldn't find anyone willing to prescribe it to a post-op and my cis friends couldn't even conceive of why
>>42962311trvke
>>42962597I HATE endos cuz they are the most frightened doctors there are in the world. They’ll give u a hour long talk abt the dangers of hrt that concludes with “so basically you’ll have the same dangers any cis woman has since birth”. And then they’ll delay u for 10 months while u madculinize. HORRIBLE. I’ve kind of become the hrt person for my circle of people I know I get approached and asked questions abt how where when etc and I’m not actually qualified but I feel so good to be expanding the knowledge on diy. It rly is so important
>>42962485its not like they're literally too dumb to figure it out or like they couldn't if they tried. its just like a mental block and they get scared. and then a small minority are to dumb to even think about getting blood test and if they are encouraged to diy they will fuck it up
>>42962626i have trans friends who don't like me because i question that orthodoxy. i think maybe they feel more cared for when they're having their levels tested every three months even if it's not so necessary. although the ability of a babytrans to get neurotic about (usually perceived-although the difficulty in telling is an issue) masculinization knows no bounds..but i'm on the same dose i've always been on which is coincidentally the same dose which is on the monograph which got to be that way because they did a study once and it caused enough women to have appropriate levels with appropriate levelsi'm don't believe i'll ever need another test, and i'm not entirely convinced anyone needs a test period without indications. this is how nearly everything is prescribed.and the tests are a snapshot view of a really dynamic system and yet taken as gospel yet the doses this way converge on the same set of doses anyway, so they don't really accomplish anything besides making tranny medicine seem way more experimental than it is. maybe they're doing it on purpose...when i was trying to find a new doctor as i was post op i got a lot of doctors making shit up why they couldn't continue the same dose i had been on for 10 years at that point..at least one wanted to know about my erections and another didn't believe i was having hot flashes since she said that's an "afab symptom"... and this is from doctors who claimed expertise in tranny medicine
>>42962695I’m just on the start of my journey, 2.5 years in, but I agree from my experience. Never had a blood test, not once. I pass 90% of the time, I have 40Ds, a round face… idk how to describe the ways in which I feel it was succesful but I feel it very much is so far
>>42962582aren't you israeli though
>>42962740Yeah?
>>42962740Weeds not legal here
>>42962753doesnt scream of palestinian children keep you up at night
>>42962753
>>42962346>retards [...] shouldn't be allowed toexplain why anyone else should have to take responsibility for the decisions of retards when the consequences don't affect anyone elsebtw if you want to filter low iq permanently and on a meaningful scale, you should be encouraging retards to get sterilized regardless
>>42962208because they're average people lol. most people, aka average/normal people, will say hard no if they are asked if they like authoritarianism or fascism etc through basically all of history, but when presented with the objective non-political concept of freedoms or the lack of authoritarianism they generally tend to hate that shit and the idea of 'freedom' gets turned into a psyop libertarian ideal with no substance or meaningimo this is why i.e change is seen as bad. avg people can't accept what they were told in the past or recognized as true before to be wrong, or that two ideas they preconceived to be contradictory could both be true at once etc. and have no real ability to tell higher and lower truths apart. they can get quantum science etc all that complex stuff, but they lack the mindfulness to apply it via prudence. reality, at a fundamental level, is what could not be otherwise. a thing is what it is because of what it isn't, and because of what it is it is what it isn't. but in lacking mindfulness the average person only 'knows' things to be true because they're just true and therefor can't see past stones, they cannot use their eyes or ears in their only function of perceiving reality because in conceiving of what their idea of reality is or should be they decided to put that above what their senses show them, and so the most simple of truths elude them ad eternum and it becomes impossible to realize the way out is through the door, and worst of any consequences they cannot perceive their own existence, their own selfHumanity is doomed by it's own hand lol
>>42962258>>42962385trvke
>>42962385>>42962258It still makes no sense to me. If they were total npc goy cattle they wouldn't pursue transition at all. Why do they draw such an arbitrary line when they're already making themselves pariahs?
>>42962582Authorities (movies, music) approve of weed more than you think. There's not one monolithic source of authority
>>42965325Interesting point! I think this is more “conformity” tho, no?
I’m interested in diy, i really don’t want to have to go get my name on an official medical record tranny list, I technically already DIY with phytoestrogen herbs and expensive OTC estradiol/estriol and progesterone cream. I’ve taught myself sketchy stuff over the internet before. But it’s one more thing to worry about, am I ordering the right thing, did I get scammed, was I sold bunk, am I accidentally gonna kill myself. Kinda want to just go to the pharmacy and be done with it unless someone can point me to DIY 4 Dummiez
>>42965389https://pghrt.diy/https://diyhrt.market/
>>42965632Much thank
>>42962208Because you need to shut up and stop spoonfeeding? Let them find it if they want it. This is how we get found out and banned from it
For some reason, there is this anti-establishment sentiment within tranny spaces that, at its most extreme, seeks to make everything about being transgender a final act of rebellion against authority and cisgender society. This is a childish delusion.Gender dysphoria is a psychological and developmental disorder. If you think you have it, seek treatment from professionals whenever possible first. They will be able to track your progress, check and treat other underlying conditions in a way that saves you pain, and adjust things on the fly based on the timelines of thousands of other individuals. It's not about passing in five years, it's about how you will live for the next fifty.If this does not go well, you don't have resources or the situation in your country is not so good, seek other methods based on crowdsourced, standardized information with the understanding that you are DOING all of what I mentioned YOURSELFLike, even if nothing can go wrong with estradiol and the Internet has completely solved all of this, no shit people are skeeved out. What do you think medicine actually is but codified caps and procedure on what is otherwise complete madness?
>>42962208shitlib-internalizing goody-two-shoeismi for one could do with my shitlib country having no useless bureaucracy yet unironically solving poverty
>>42968347Same shit if people want to do all the weed all the time or work themselves to the bone with no sleep or cut their limbs off or be 400 pounds. It's your life, but also it is very possible you are externalizing costs to everyone else because of your own bullshit hangups. So it should not be understood to be a "good" or upright thing.And, unfortunately, I must dip into a rant about optics cancer. If you care at all about how other people view being transgender, I think you have a vested interest in not being too giddy about DIY.When it comes to nations and people, you can predict a lot about what they will say and do based on where they think transgender people exist on a spectrum from "being ill" and "being bodymodders." Neither extreme is correct or productive. Then there is the answer on another axis to whether or not that is "okay," if and how society should allocate resources to these people.You are stuck with a negative bias towards bodymodders in many western countries for certain cultural and religious reasons. And "maximum DIY" combined with "you don't need dysphoria to be transgender" telegraphs to literally everyone else, "there should be literally no gravity to any of this and zero daylight between any one person's mind and the decision whether or not transition." Then you are surprised when they get worried about perverts, bar all of this from minors and find no immorality in not preventing you from being discriminated against?Save intentional sadism and blatant ignorance, this whole thing is why some governments are transphobic and some are not. If you like transgender rights, you should speak as if you want everyone to be closer to mid-left and high up.
>>42968622>>42968347We need a mass genocide of goycattle
>>42968958You and /pol/, /r9k/ people have similar habits of being completely obsessed with traveling down the rabbit hole, escaping the Matrix, and generally being maximally transgressive towards perfectly fine systems, universal ideals and well-known truths in favor of whatever you and your associates cooked up. Vaccines, 5G, mainstream history, economics, views of race...Again, call it anti-establishment or populist sentiment, idk if that's actually what I'm going for thoThat's admirable up to a certain point, and I'm rather "punk" too. I'm telling you that in this case, for yourself, avoiding the medical system entirely of your own volition is ill-advised. If you externalize your beliefs onto other people, it becomes an arrogance issue. You are going to blow shit up to hell and it will be all your fault.
>>42968622nta>invalidates my existence>then makes demands like these>you should speak as if you want everyone to be closer to mid-left and high upHow about no?Your "mid-left and high up" gatekept me from trooning because I'm not sick. Maximum DiY left me alone to do my thing and modify my body according to my desires.I know who my friends are. And it's not you and the retarded institutionalists generally speaking.
>>42969162>it becomes an arrogance issueShut the fuck up!The ones who are arrogant are precisely the "medical system". Even ITT there's stories like this. See >>42962695The medical system is the enemy, in fact. And most of the medical profession is straight up illegitimate and by default unworthy of any trust whatsoever.
>>42969162Hi I'm OP, I want to clarify that I never adviced someone to go on diy who had access to a gender clinic, only to those who expressed not being able/wanting to go through that system for one reason or another.
>>42962208im not good at articulating why exactly but people just dont understand...things.. idk they like assume that having fda approval or medical license or branding makes something inherently safe and real and does what its supposed to? i think its called or related to the concept of commodity fetishism? im actually trained in chemistry so ive always trusted diy + community review + independent lab tests for everything more than doctors. in some cases id even do research chems as a substitute for prescriptions because its just more convenient, cheaper, better, purer, etc. doctors actually get things wrong a lot because their practice is based on insurance profit risk management and licensing to maintain a monopoly and not on healthcare so they pretty much just spout dogma for ideological reasons on top of thinking that memorization of facts is the same as knowledge/understanding. normies basically think a labcoat and license are magic and that a pharma vial and a diy vial have a different spiritual essence, where one is good and one is bad, even if the pharma vial is contaminated and the diy is perfect. and there is a load of propaganda to reinforce it. like what would happen to society if the fundamental aspect of our mode of material and social reproduction was just not gatekept by financial monopolies that want to control every aspect of your life to squeeze out a marginal dollar? if people werent scared into giving up their livelihood to insurance corporations? that could disrupt the world order and we wouldnt want that now would we nona?
>>42969182A lot of my entire deal was that transgenderism isn't just "being sick" or being approved of by a medical authority, actually.>MID left>neither extreme is correct or productiveI'm sorry that happened to you.>>42969194Is it though, and are they? You don't sound so confident yourself. It's okay to admit you just don't know enough to be able to make certain statements.Say what you will about whether they do the best thing consistently, or if our standards on care need revision, but the following is simply true: generally when you walk into a doctor's office, you are speaking with a trained professional standing atop hundreds of years of collective practice and formal study by the entire field. Doctors might help people most of the time.>>42969204>(thumbs up)and sorry for going on and on in your thread lmao
>>42969340>generally when you walk into a doctor's office, you are speaking with a trained professional standing atop hundreds of years of collective practice and formal study by the entire fieldThis is generally false, though.Now go fuck yourself you degenerate shill.Murder committed by doctors and reframed as "medical error" is the second most common cause of death. Yet you shill for the guilty party.Shooting you on the spot is the merciful thing to do atp.
>>42969340>It's okay to admit you just don't know enough to be able to make certain statements.It's okay to admit you are a cretin, tho.The other anon isn't wrong. You do sound like a shill. And if you're not a shill, then do some introspection on what makes you write long blog posts that lick the boots of a profession that is nothing less than a killing machine.There's not much difference between you and the chuds who worship the military.
>>42969340>generally when you walk into a doctor's office, you are speaking with a trained professional standing atop hundreds of years of collective practice and formal study by the entire fieldImagine actually believing that, kek.The vast majority of doctors are significantly stupider than my cat. The second you pull them out of their learned script they have no idea about anything.Remember when it was top science to get opioids? And anyone doubting was a crackpot?Doctors recommended toothpaste with radioactive material, lobotomies, have created new addictions and so on. They are NOT smart. They're just good at regurgitating propaganda to convince goycattle like you.
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i go sleep, have class tmr>>42969396Some searches say something like third, actually.I'll read into it more tomorrow, but even if this is true, I'll bet the house on that figure likely going down over time.>>42969396Have you considered that as an American I might just be exhausted with people with so little humility, that they make wild calls for everyone else based on pure vibes, hangups and ideology, without bothering to measure or verify anything?>>42969410I never claimed that the history of medicine isn't full of shameful errors we have since recovered from.What is the "vast majority" of doctors here, numerically, and where is the proof that this is actually the case?
>>42969580>I'll bet the house on that figure likely going down over timeGet ready to lose the house. It's been going UP, not down.Your commitment to shilling for evil people is duly noted though.
>>42969580>weAh, glad you at least admit you are an interested party.Now kys.
(also desu because I feel bad, I am fucking with you guys in my own way. not lying tho. make sure you are up to date on your vaccinations, know when your last checkup and dental cleaning was, all that good stuff :D)>>42969602Please send source paper if possible, I'd be interested in giving it a read.>>42969610ehhh so mean
>>42969634>not lying thoYes, of course. You're engaging in PR to wash the image of the disgusting murderers whose interests you represent. Totally different from lying, ofc.
>>42962222quads wasted
>>42962208the average person is retardedconsider for a second that out of 100 people, only 5 would actually look up scientific papers about stuff they're taking and actually able to comprehend them
Prescription is superior if the doctor is competent and it can be funded.Generally your supposed to not tell people how to do dangerous things, they need to find it on their own.It's like in chemistry, all the chemists know how to make explosives and drugs and they might even do something sus once in their life, but they won't tell you how to do it because they don't think you can handle the information without being a real chemist.
>>42969858>if the doctor is competentWhich they practically never are. The average endocrinologist will prescribe a hondose of pills and a megadose of cypro to compensate, and get upset at you if you question that>your supposed to not tell people how to do dangerous things,Then you shouldn't be telling them to go to a doctor for hrt, because the regimens they often prescribe border on grievous physical harm long term
>>42969858the average doctor has no idea how spiro actually does its androgenic effects. Most of them don't even know theres AR
>>42962208because 95% of trannies online are feds lol.Thats why you’re always seeing so many
>>42969997What reason would feds have for recommending diy hrt?
>>42970004did you even read the post? I meant that as in why so many are against DIY
>>42962208you're telling people to make their own home made drugs and are wondering why people are mad at you? what you're selling is not safe
>>42970061>muh home made drugsyou do realize all of that shit is produced in the same factories? check the raws for heavy metals if you're paranoid
They’ve been brainwashed into being feds, or some are just luckshits who started transitioning at like 11 and think it’s absurd to not transition medically. Meet some of them online, most are western europeans or Americans from progressive towns.
>>42962208Because making your own drugs conjures up mental images of like a meth lab, with similar levels of risk.Not saying that's correct, but that's what people immediately think when you say you're making your own hrt.
