What made her sell out for zio shill money?
>>42975943getting 50k/month to do nothing just wasnt enough for her to afford a decent livingplz understand you filthy goyi-i mean, my fellow trannies <3
>>42975943She did that? I didn't watch the last Contra video yet ;<
that you can buy goods and services for money.
>>42975943she didn't sell out she's just a privileged white woman in North Americathat's what privileged white women are like herejust because someone is trans doesn't mean they face the same systemic/intersectional difficulties like lower class women doI myself have twinkhon privilege
>>42975943wait I forgot, what did she do again that made everyone hate her? Did she say she supports jewland? (((aka Israel?)))
>>42975943She's a literal junkie. They're like the easiest people to manipulate.
>>42975943stopped being a fan when I grew out of tranny infancy. What'd she do?
>>42975943They probably covertly filmed her putting her dick in a baitkid so they can have eternal blackmail material on her if she doesn't cooperate. Standard operating procedure for zionists.
>>42975987LMAOOO
I think it's genuine conviction, honestly. She's wealthy. Like not only Youtube wealthy but by family background. I'm sure she has some friends who are liberal Zionists and has absorbed some of their worldview by osmosis. being permanently averse to leftists because of being cyberbullied would make her much more prone to it.
she was never meaningfully leftwing to begin with, politics online is just identity based subculturalism. she went from a university student to a wealthy media darling and her "politics" followed. you shouldn't trust anyone without skin in the game that is either part of a political organization or quasi-political organization like a trade union - people that aren't can switch up their politics as easy as changing a set off clothing, so can people in organizations to fair but they at least have real social consequences if they do so in manner that is contra to what they purportedly believe in. 99.9 percent of politics commentary people are worth less than dogshit, including all the ones that haven't sold out (yet)
It must suck for her to watch herself produce increasingly low-quality iterations of her own formula, especially when other transexuals are creating nearly identical content that’s more thoroughly researched and relies far less on AI-generated scripting. The one thing that she had going for her despite her politics and failed relationships.
>>42978190yeah dude she cries into her wads of cash and 7 figure income that she gets for doing 10 hours of work a year and hates that she gets to go to epstein child sacrifices because she made 5 videos about trannies in bing bing wahoo harry potter. I'd hate having unlimited money.
>>42978238>child sacrificesand her dick is huge and she's like if the devil owned a lambo and she's super strong and pretty and her dad could beat up YOUR dad and
Toob won
>>429759874chan chuds won't like it but this is the answer. She's white and privileged. She probably truly believes the things she says, and lacks the perspective to see it any other way..
>>42978190It’s a rly good video. The reason you disagree is because you disagree with her politics
>>42978238She’s a narcissistic drug addict, she’s probably going to kill herself in the next two decades >>42980537Sad but trvke>>42976306Someone should slip her psychedelics so that she might undergo egodeath, it could completely destroy her sense of identity that she’s constructed
>>42975987Willing to bet 20 shekels that this poster is a white male
>>42980550>enter: the larping cishet woman No surprise you’re a fan of contra
>>42980563Is this the same person again?
>>42980550you are an jewish zionist your politics are slaughter
>>42980566Is this also the same person? Ur obsessed
>>42980564Accusing every person who criticises you of being the same person is a sign of severe narcissism, as is brokie-tripfagging. You, like all of your kind on this site before you, are a lolcow pretending to be a microcelebrity
>>42980582So u also know who I am
>>42980558you have to go back
>>42980590i dont know if you've realized but people aren't the biggest fan of jews after what you've been upto lately
>>42980608And yet we still win
>>42980613yes jews winning means millions dying thats the problem with you
>>42975943contra points is one of those privileged white bitches that sit at the popular table and are very mean/dismissive to everyone else. She just strikes me as extremely privileged and mean.
>>42980632What millions exactly? Who r u talking abt?
>>42980647she's dumb as a rock too. she literally sounds like she has brain damage when she speaks.
>>42975943shes literally the same as always tankies just hate her bcs shes right
>>42980706Be my friend
>>42978190these last two videos have been her best since opulence, u just hate her
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>>42980713Be my friend rexie
>>42980647what has she done to give u the impression that she is mean>>42980711who is you>>42980608well if the masses believe it then it must be true!
>>42980706>the Jews need to be allowed a fascist ethnostate otherwise you’ll hurt their feefees >she’s rightKys, the only position you can have to support Israel in a way that doesn’t shoot yourself in the foot is if you’re a ethnosupremacist Jew (or possibly a pajeet or Russian who hates the rest of the world) otherwise you’re working against your own interests
contrapoints only crime is not being a marxist, why r we acting as if she is a kahanist
>>42980737i dont think there should be a jewish ethnostate allowed to genocide palestinians. neither does contra. why r we misrepresenting her beliefs in bad faith
>>42980725hang out with Hillary Clinton. makes egotistical videos. speaks on stupid shit that doesn't matter like Jordan dumbfuck Peterson, but refuses to speak on shit that DOES matter like the gaza genocide.bitch is a hoe.
>>42980737Everything I don’t like is fascism !!! Jews having a country is fascism!!!
>>42980775>hangs out with hillary clintonone very old photo >makes egotistical videosas opposed to other video essayists who arent egotistical at all lol. its not a crime to be egotistical, this is /lgbt/ lmfao>speaks on jordan peterson but not gazaits not everyone’s job to speak on gaza? by this metric, shouldnt she be speaking about sudan too? or the cuts to usaid? she is a video essayist, not a pundit or an activist, so judge her by what she has said, not by what she hasn’t
>>42980788Having a militaristic ethnostate that commits genocide and justifies itself on mystic claims about the destiny of their race (which they believe to be superior or “chosen” above others) and a pseudohistorical mythic past is pretty much the only way to coherently define fascism and it also describes Israel.So yes, they are fascist and if you can’t see it then you’re probably a fascist too or you’re a retard. They use ancestry and genetic purity as a criterion for citizenship, they are almost cartoonishly fascist.
>>42980800She also literally has spoken abt Gaza
>>42980800contra points, your videos fucking suck dude. You're an egotistical sack of shit and an extremely basic breadtuber with extremely basic boring takes.>as opposed to other video essayists who arent egotistical at all lol. its not a crime to be egotistical, this is /lgbt/ lmfaoall of you are fucking insufferable. I didn't say video essayists were good, you fucking faggots killed YouTube.>its not everyone’s job to speak on gaza? by this metric, shouldnt she be speaking about sudan too? or the cuts to usaid?Yes. You have a platform, speak on shit that fucking matters dumbass.
>>42980800>its not a crime to be egotisticalIt is a sin in every coherent worldview to be egotistical.>she doesn’t need to speak about gaza But then she did and spent most of it whining about how people were being too mean to the poor zionists and hurting their feelings snif sniff
>>42980814Here’s an excerpt from the ethnoneutral star of Palestines declaration of independance: “The State of Palestine is an Arab state, an integral and indivisible part of the Arab nation”. Palestine, a state that has 0 Jewish citizens and clearly defines itself as a state for “the Arab people” is not an ethnostate, but Israel, who has 2 million Arab citizens and equal rights for every citizen, is, because AOC said so? Regarding superiority or mystic claims again you can’t provide any proof for that from within Zionist writing. No leader in the Zionist movement, neither Ben gurion nor sharet nor herzl or ehad haam, non of them has ever justified the existence of israel using the bible. You again got this claim from unkowledgable ppl speaking abt Zionism, not from studying Zionism itself. Zionism isn’t about being superior, neither is the idea of being chosen! If you take a second to study what the concept of being chosen means in Judaism, you’d see the Talmud literally says the Jews were gods LAST CHOICE for a chosen ppl. Armenia also uses ancestry as a basis for citizenship is Armenia fascist too? Dumbass
>>42980558I'm actually Slavic which isn't considered white by western chauvinists
>>42980818spoken about gaza, saying it may be "worse than useless" that they're broadcasting their own genocide, making it clear that she supports zionism, saying zionists are "decent people", and doing all this off-platform, where most of her followers did not see. i used to give her 20 a month, very glad i stopped
>>42980826you think i am contrapoints? i have been a trip on this board for over a year now lol>basic boring takescan you give an example>speak on shit that fucking matterswhat does contrapoints making a statement actually do for palestinians? like i think she should probably be a little more vocal about it but it’s not evil to not virtue signalif everyone used this standard, who would be left to talk about jordan peterson? do you not recognise different youtubers cover different things?>>42980831everyone is egotistical also ur reading her statement in bad faith, she was complaining about how she had gotten death threats and gore sent to her
>>42980873incredibly bad faith reading of that statement oml.
>>42980873She’s right abt every single point there btw except for that one refering to it as a genocide
she literally calls it a genocide. does that sound zionist to you
>>42980887there is no good faith reading. she is a zionist. i regret ever having given her money>>42980899yep only other genociders like you would read it in a good faith, of course
>>42980900There’s a bunch of Zionists that believe it’s a genocide, ur wrong
>>42980846>n-no the things that current zionists say and do don’t count, you have to refer to documents from 100 years ago>implying that fascists don’t lie about intention to get what they want>whataboutism calling the arabs the real fascists>n-no chosen people doesn’t mean they see themselves as superior evandoe Zionist Jews frequently admit to seeing themselves as superiorNobody’s buying it anymore, the younger generations are all turning on this disgusting monstrous worldview now, they’ve realised what you are>whatabout armenians I think this is literally the first time a Jew has ever acknowledged the Armenians rather than complaining about le shoah not getting enough attention.Armenia is not a nation state so associated with the west or engaged with as many fascist practices as Israel.
>>42980902you arent explaining ur reasoning at all lol
she opposes the genocide in gaza what else do you want from her
>>42980911Which current Zionist leaders refer to Jews as superior or justify Israels existence using the bible? It would be pretty dumb to do given that israel as a state already exists and its right to exist (self determination) is in international law.Yeah of course fascists lie u can use that as an excuse for anytime u don’t have proof. Ur a fascist. What’s that? U haven’t said anything fadcist? That’s because fascists hide their intentions
>>42975943Did she? I thought she was a antisemite. In what video was she nice to us? I wanna see. Does a Jew-friendly ledtie exist?
>>42980916she's trying to shield her own status while making a case for zionism, an ideology that is fundamentally genocidal and built on replacing an existing society. suggesting that supporters of an ethnostate can be "decent people" or should be part of our political coalitions normalizes ethnic supremacy. her claims about "political infeasibility" are simply a cover for her own inaction and her choice to back the politicians who provide the weapons.it is telling that she seems more bothered by antisemitism online than by the mass death of children. she says the victims broadcasting their own genocide "may be worse than useless" because they cause a level of anger that she doesn't want to engage with. she uses therapy speak and focuses on the feelings of those involved in the violence rather than the survival of the people being destroyed by it.
>>42980900also post the rest too lol
Man i fucking hate leftist antisemitsm. It's worse than the actual nazis. At least these mfs don't constantly gaslight you
>>42981086antizionism =/= antisemitism
>>42975943Contra was always just some libs. Most of her videos are just rambling about being trans. Idpol poisoned weirdos online convinced themselves that she was more radical than she ever appeared to be. If anything, I feel bad for her even though I'm anti-israel. Very weird fan base.
>>42981191Jews don't agree
>>42981245indeed i do not agree
>>42978143Contra wtf, you literally made a 2 part video titled “what’s wrong with capitalism”, what do you mean you were a liberal along? Did you do that video while you were high or something??
>>42978190She's also the other transsexual in question https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmsoVFCUN3Q
Very curious that antizionists seem to have no problems with the religious supremacist views of Islamic countries who legally marginalize non-muslims, but take serious issue with Jews seeking independence from that historical conquering supremacist religion
>>42980900All she had to do was say: “I don’t think my style of content will translate well to discussing an active genocide, so please stop asking me to make that video”. She clearly is endorsing a 2 state solution which is the liberal Zionist position yes.
>>42981322as a first gen immigrant tranny originally from an islamic country, fuck off. it's not a good excuse for settler colonialism, apartheid, and genocide. besides you can't even gay marry in israel lol stop rainbow washing them
>>42981414>settler colonialism, apartheid, and genocideAll the parties involved seek to or engaged in that behavior, I do not distinguish the Jews from their neighbors in this regard and find all of them distasteful
>>42981414>settler colonialism What host country?>apartheidLike dhimmitude? >genocideLike the war of extermination Arabs perpetrated in 1948?
>>42981440damn i hope natalie reads this and sees what kind of people are defending her
>>42981414>as a first gen immigrant tranny originally from an islamic countryyou should be sent back.idgaf if the justification used to send you back is transphobia or antisemitism but subhumans like you do not belong in the West.
>>42981456yeah I'm sure Natalie will struggle with being a multi-millionaire due to words on the mongolian basket weaving forum, lol
>>42981456>factual statements about current and past policies of islamic people>omg ur like a horrible person :cIsrael sucks and so do their neighbors and they all fought in a big suck vs suck
>>42980858LOLLLL
>>42981364>She clearly is endorsing a 2 state solution which is the liberal Zionist position yessounds like a reasonable position
>>42981536Objectively the reasonable solution. Palestine taking over israel will probably kill all the Jews and israel taking over Palestine will probably kill all the Palestinians. The only safe way to get rid of the illegal occupation of the West Bank is a two state solution
>>42980900this yaps more about the left than isreal/palestine, which I guess is on brand for her type>>42981641how is it reasonable? thats the current status quo and neither group is happy or even willing to respect it and honestly, as long as the illegal settlements in the west bank continue I dont see the incentive for the 2ss to work
>>42975943i cant believe shes paid thousands a month to release 1 video a year where she says literally nothing of substance
>>42981364that’s more or less what she said
>>42981641hi idf soldierdo you consider what israel is doing on palestine since 2023 a genocide?
>>42981660The settlement wouldn’t continue if there was a 2ss, the reason it continues is because there’s effectively no state of Palestine. It’s barely even recognized. Had they agreed to a state in 2008, or in 2000, or in heaven forbid 1947 there would be no illegal settlements
>>42981725how are palestinian supposed to agree to a state when isreal doesnt even respect the current 1967 lines (internationally recognized)? It`s extremely disingenuous to blame this on them
>>42981938Idk they managed to kill a 9/11's worth of people in one day so apparently they have some organizational capacity.
>>42976083She called out Palestinian support among leftists as performative and an excuse to not vote
>>42981959based
>>42981938Israel respected the 1967 lines until Jordan broke them, then israel occupied the entire area between the river and the sea. Had Jordan (who controlled the area in the 1967 borders) not invaded, we would have the 1967 borders today. But that has passed.
>>42981991That’s why they’re called the 1967 borders, btw. Because they were broken by Jordan in 1967
>>42982003>>42981721
>>42982014Ofc I don’t, there’s never been a genocide where the population GREW. There’s not been a compelling case to it being a genocide, I’ve seen a good case for careless disregard or whatever it’s called. It’s definetly bad, but it’s not a genocide. Also not an idf soldier
>>42975943She didn't. She made a very reasonable statement that leftists adopting a maximalist position on Israel and then attacking anyone that strays from that position is counterproductive and a total waste of time. And she is completely correct.While the pro-palestine crew sat camped out on the university quad Israel systemically dismantled their enemies and is now about to totally neuter (and possibly implode) a country of 90 million. They have completely gotten away with the genocide in Gaza. The Gulf Arabs dont even give a fuck about it beyond what is needed to placate their domestic audiences. And what is the cost for Israel? Nothing save PR. Which they never gave much of a fuck about anyway since jews think everyone is going to hate them regardless of what they do.
>>42982031so over. almost based...
>>42982045Hamas has been calling it a genocide since day 1 it’s not hard to see that isn’t coming from a genuine place
contrapoints is not a zio shill. she just correctly identified that the pro-palestine movement is useless and ineffective.
>>42982057doesnt matter. to see if its a genocide or not you just have to check if what is happening fits on the definition and it does
i watched the incel vid and its hella condescending desu
>>42982093The definition is an attempt to destroy in whole or in part a protected group. Do you see an attempt to destroy in whole or in part a protected group? Do you really think if israel, one of the most powerful armies in the Middle East, wanted to destroy a group of 2 million ppl in an extremely dense urban environment, we wouldn’t even manage to kill 4%? For something to be termed a genocide, legally, it requires that genocidal intent would be only reasonable inference from the acts of the accused party. If that is so, why did israel evacuate parts of Gaza before bombing them?
>>42982135>Do you see an attempt to destroy in whole or in part a protected group?yes>Do you really think if israel, one of the most powerful armies in the Middle East, wanted to destroy a group of 2 million ppl in an extremely dense urban environment, we wouldn’t even manage to kill 4%?they are being held back by public opinion especially american public opinion>why did israel evacuate parts of Gaza before bombing them?same thing
>>42982184If we’re being held back by public opinion from committing a genocide then we’re not commiting a genocide. You can’t arrest a guy for wanting to punch you but being held back by public opinion
>>42982193israel is committing a genocide and trying to hide it
>>42982223they're not doing a very good job of it
>>42982223Proof?
>>42982255Source?
>>42980900>oy vey dont be antizionist goys, think of the politics! it's just infeasible! israel would fall if you stopped sending them fresh foreskins! are you some kind of antisemite like hitler?Don't threaten me with a great time, Hontra.
>>42981959Well she was right
>>42982317>hontraPost face hunny
>>42982223Them why does the Palestinian population keep growing?
>>42982340Nooo u don’t get it israel is committing a genocide they’re just not doing the genocide stuff because it’s illegal but they WANT to do it but they can’t but they’re doing it
>>42982340not part of the definition
>>42982324>make antizionist post>a jew appears and demands i dox myselfgeg
>actually genocide is when you don't like someone and are mean
>>42982363Seems like it should be
>>42982363“Not part of the definition” yes it is, the definition is “an attempt to destroy in whole or in part a protected group”, you must now prove that there is an attempt to do so. You have to try and prove that, and the fact that the group ISNT being destroyed and is in fact growing is a major roadblock in attempting to prove that there is an attempt to destroy the group
>>42982378cool
>>42982372I was here before u ugly !!
>>42982386>“Not part of the definition” yes it is, the definition is “an attempt to destroy in whole or in part a protected group”>an attempt to destroy>an attemptlol
>>42982352If October 7th proved anything it's that Palestine would absolutely conduct genocide if they had technologies more powerful than sticks and leaves
>>42982402Yes an attempt! You must prove that there is an attempt to do so. Please, demonstrate how in your mind a hyper competent army with nuclear bombs attempting to destroy a population hasn’t even managed to stop population growth
>>42982419>You must prove that there is an attempt to do so.mmm source?>Please, demonstrate how in your mind a hyper competent army with nuclear bombs attempting to destroy a population hasn’t even managed to stop population growth>>42982184
>>42982412Palestinian Arabs have attempted genocide two times already, once in 1936 when they were being funded by the Nazis and once in 1948. The Arab league described their intent in the invadion of israel in 1948 as “a war of destruction and massacre”. In 1967, Jordan’s slogan was “push the Jews into the sea”. I wouldn’t consider any of these genocides, but if the current war is then they definetly are
>>42982402My guy if Israel "attempts" to genocide Gaza, that conflict is over in an afternoon.
>>42982389The world will meaningfully improve if an Iranian missile blows you up tonight. God that would be a funny fate pull.
>>42982439Source? https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definitionAnd again, if you’re saying Israel isn’t commiting genocide because of public opinion, then israel isn’t commiting genocide. You can’t arrest a guy for wanting to punch you but not doing it because of public opinion. If israel isn’t attempting to destroy in whole or in part a protected group because of public opinion, then it’s not committing genocide
>>42982440Yes, the Colebrook collaboration with the Nazis gets conveniently overlooked by Queers for Palestine types
>>42982451Post face bro
>>42982441>My guyThank you kind stranger! Here is your gold!
>>42982441>look at how much restraint we're showing! we could have murdered even more of you if we wanted!The jew cries out as he strikes you.
>>42982480THEYRE GENOCIDING THE BUILDINGSSS NOOO MY PRECIOUS BUILDINGSSS
>>42982454israel IS committing a genocide and trying to hide it the best they can
>>42982490People live in buildings.
>>42982493but everyone is constantly accusing israel of genocidewhat are they hiding?
>>42982505genocides are hard to hide
>>42982495People who were not there when they got bombed dummy. 90% of gazas buildings have been destroyed and only 2% of the population was killed, that proves that israel was PREVENTING civilian casualties.
>>42982493Prove it.
>>42982518>90% of gazas buildings have been destroyedLMAOOOO>>42982522Source?
>>42982517israel is both hiding the genocide so well that the palestinian population is increasing, but also hiding it so badly that every teenager on tiktok knows about it?
>leftists want me dead to own the libs>rightoids want me dead to own the libsMan this sucks
>>42982539The Jewish experience desu
>>42982518...You murdered 2% of their population?
>>42982537>>42982363
>>42982546>>42982376
>>4298254510% of the German population was killed in ww2 u should know this hitlerhon
>>42982553>>42982386
>>42982537Yeah it's their Jewish mind control powers that let them do this obviously
>>42982559Not sure what germany has to do with anything here. I think it's utterly inhuman the way you and other zionists casually excuse the mass murder of tens of thousands of innocent civilians, people, with coy word games about the definition of genocide. For your sake, I hope hell isn't real.
>>42982613Word games being just not agreeing to ur fantasy definition of genocide?
>>42982613Hell isn’t real, hitlerhon. But if it was, pretty sure ur ugly mug would be on the road sign
>>42982613Murder and genocide aren't the same thing. Words mean things.
>>42982624>>42982635I don't care what the dictionary says about the big G word. Tens of thousands of innocent people were murdered by israel and a million more were displaced by having their homes and jobs destroyed. That's what I care about.>>42982633I'm a good person and so my soul is pure as fresh snow in a still, moonlit night. It's sad you can't honestly say the same.
>>42982722Ur name is hitlergirl he killed millions of innocent ppl
>>42982725Did he though?
>>42982739Yes
>>42982739Yeah. Even if you exclude the Holocaust, he killed 5 million Soviet civilians and 2 million poles
>>42982739Also 500,000 Romani civilians and 70,000 British civilians. Altogether he was a pretty bad guy even if u ignore the genocide he committed
i find it funny how pro-palis get so assmad about the "genocide" word. like they HAVE to invoke genocide. nothing is ever nuanced. I would be OK if they called it war crimes, crime against humanity, whatever, but it HAS to be called a genocideblatant rheotrical weapon. if israel truly wanted to genocide palestine they could wipe it out within weeks
>>42975943It's easier to be a shill of Israel baby rappers than don the banana costume and sit in the tub of lukewarm water next to your pictures of oily gay muscular elf men.
>>42983096>within weeksHours
>>42983096AI bot post detected
fake war
>be shill for israel>get called out on your excitement to eradicate the "amalek" and "human animals" that just happen to be immediately outside your borders>seethe at the "nations" who don't want to give you billions of dollars to achieve this>explain that the children whose parents your favorite theocracy killed will grow up to hate their parents' murderers and that for that reason they must be killed too>pretend that the videos circulation across the internet of idf laughing as they headshot 6 year olds aren't real>complain about the government of palestine after israel ensured that they took power before the majority of current palestinians were born>use the fact that palestinians have been forced into an ever smaller area over the decades as proof that their population has been growing when it's really just population density>literally making the arguments neonazis use as "proof" there was no holocaust, implying thereby that hitler didn't actually commit genocide either>also literally repeating the "we're not killing them, we're just kicking them from their homes so they go to other countries so we can keep their land" line>pretends that the government that enters negotiations then kills the other side's diplomats is operating in good faithAnd you're still demanding money from everyone else.
>>42975943blaire white made her feel bad about her looks but she mogs her now lmao
>>42982223>israel is committing a genocideI wish that were true :(
>>42983643
>>42983643>>use the fact that palestinians have been forced into an ever smaller area over the decades as proof that their population has been growing when it's really just population densityAre you a retard? Is that the problem?
>>42983096I mean that’s why I usually go after the apartheid stuff. Trapping millions in an open air prison and bombing them is a genocide, but it’s not exactly the same as some of the classics so people get nitpicky.
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>>42975956Yes, she said that two nukes isn't enough for Gaza and that Palestinian babies are delicious she has them all the time on Epstein island.
>>42987062>Trapping millions in an open air prison and bombing them is a genocideSo every communist country is experiencing a genocide? What a stupid argument.
>>42975943What makes you think that isn't what she actually think about the topic?
>>42987140don't you know? Nobody can disagree with the furthest fringes of the far-Left unless one is paid to do so.
>>42975943why does hontrapoints mog me?
She spent half a decade coddling insane maoists on the pretext of "I'm just deradicalizing people!" and when they audience captured her she ate her for not bowing to the ideological fervor of the red guardAnother lesson to just say no to radical authoritarians. Don't engage, just defeat them, destroy them, delegitimize them at every opportunity.
>>42987199If that's the far left for you then you will be eaten alive
