thoughts?
Try having a transmed MtF only space and watch theyfabs throw a fit."AFAB only" just means they hate trans women and you should hate them back. Don't fall for the gaslighting language
>>42979244It’s true
>>42979244It makes me very sad that not even in lgbt spaces and with people who claim to be the most accepting and progressive, I'm still seen as a male rapegender
>>42979244I agree 100%. Anyone who wants "afab only spaces", does not see trans women as women.
Asking all dogs to be leashed and muzzled, even the tiniest Chihuahua, is reasonable, but asking for AFAB only spaces, just in case, is too much?
>>42979244The other half of that is far more damaging to trans people and like 80% of the reason trans men don't engage with trans space. They see trans men as women. That said gynophobia and androphobia are a thing. I know when setting up transfem spaces, the idea of having AFAB-NBs who present female present is a big source of anxiety to a lot of baby trans women/femmes.
>>42979267a "queer AFAB only space" is not LGBT space, its a narc trender space. Better to not be part of that. You'd probably get accused to rape or some other ridiculous drama anyway
>>42979244Is she stupid? Afab? Trans women are biologically male. Yes we need female only spaces even if that means hurting a trans persons feelings
>>42979293>AFAB-NBs who present femaleattention seeking BPD narcissistic foids
>>42979297Valid point, fr. Like if they want to contain themselves, good.
>>42979304Yeah, that would certainly be the anxiety. And for me in setting up the space and supporting the people in it, that's a big concern. They are VERY timid, they jump at anything, getting them comfortable to begin with is a big job. And many of them have trauma associated with women, including me. An AFAB-NB who reads female, is a female as far as my anxiety is concerned. I can maybe get over that, but I'm not going to ask that of someone who just walked out of a meat packing plant to have her first experiment with crossdressing to deny her feelings as the price of entry. It's trans, it's complicated. Theyfabs are a problem, sure, but get rid of the theyfabs and it's still a complicated mess of dysfunction and angst.
>>42979244categorically true. the better question is should those people be accomodated? they cant help being retarded
>>42979323Theyfabs aren't fucking trans and never will be. It's just quirky loser women who can't sit with Stacy because she's too cringe
>>42979244truth as hellalso, the specific thing about "trauma from male bodies" i've always found a bit sus. like, you can be sexually assaulted or otherwise traumatised by... other body parts, right? but we never see anyone talking about "i have finger related trauma" or whatever. and this isn't even denying that you could have trauma from specific body parts - you legitimately could have "finger trauma". but that one isn't politically weaponised against people, is it?
>>42979330Okay, not my problem tho. My problem is that I need an AMAB only space where genderqueer men, babytrans women, and transfemme males, can come together to figure out who they are and be supported in expressing their true selves whatever that might be. That's a space with no vaginas that a surgeon didn't make. So if they want an AFAB only space that's fine as long as I nobody gets in my way on an AMAB only space.
>>42979244you were born male and they're misandristit's really not that complicated
>>42979244noone is talking about how even if they dont like trans women, labeling their space as 'AFAB only'is completely unnecessary and only done to literally bully trans women who go to view online listings.if you dont want trans women, you can easily reject them all without making a show of it, they are malicious and WANT to hurt us
>>42979344"Genderqueer men" are probably 99% predatorsMiss me with that
>>42979348And don't forget they're also denying trans men their identity too.
>>42979350Genderqueer men, are just AMABs who know there's something wrong with them, but haven't accepted that they're trans, if that's what they are. We all started out as genderqueer. You have to ask the question in order to find the answer.
I don't get it. Girls come into the men's all the time when there a line to the ladies or is gross in there or whatever (don't pretend it's not, you animals throw tampons and shit) I think the issue is society gears women into hyper vigilance and points the crosshairs at men and think men just don't feel afraid because it's other men.Truth is we are afraid, we just are practical about it. No point marinading in adrenalin and cortisol.
>>42979244how come trans men don't have an issue when i tell them that their experiences growing up are different than what i went through? we have good relations with trans men as cis men but like lesbians and straight men you guys have a terrible relation with cis women (you being trans women)cis women fight for trans women the most so least you could do is respect their spaces
>>42979354I don't agree. I think gender is stupid, so i dress and act however is comfortable relative to my male body. But I'm not going to suddenly start taking hormones and trying to "become a woman" i don't even know what is like to be a man. I just know what it's like to be me, so i be me on my terms.
>>429793521000%>>42979355larpy larp larp
>>42979354Sounds like you're either a theyfab, predatory man, or oblivious moronA questioning AMAB can be welcome to be a second class citizen for a night, but anyone identifying as "genderqueer male" needs their hard drive checked
>>42979362It's not a LARP retard. I actually get out into society unlike you. Maybe if you tried it some time you might know. Go to a concert festival and see if I'm right.
>>42979361>I'm JewishYou've literally tried to make enemies out of literally every label possible. You've failed. Christian compasion and understanding wins again. Fuck off.
>>42979363ong!
>>42979356You don't know shit, ftms are content being women and cis women don't fight for trans rights beyond doing hollow virtue signalling bullshit
>>42979363See >>42979367Learn to larp better Jew. >>42979366>I'm Jewish and that makes me better than youNobody believes that except Jews.
>>42979367How do you reach that conclusion apart from obviously spending too much time around pol. Did you think i go around attacking the idea of gender just because of my personal beliefs? I'm not you pal. >>42979374Oh, oh no. It's retarded. Seriously, get some sunshine. Get off the Internet a while. Your brains have rotted.
>>42979244it's mostly true by necessity, u need to identify x in order to experience trauma associated to xas some ppl are noticing more and more, the very terminology such as afab and amab is being used as an alias for more exclusionary words and ideas, ppl are using it in a way they already do not believe u are a man or womaneven a very long time ago ppl brought up that concern and they were told it wouldn't happennow it's happening, and let that be a lesson to everybody to be aware of these things as they happen and start in seemingly innocuous ways
They see you as men, they are women, and women hate men. They are taught their entire life to hate men. FTMs make absolutely zero effort to actually become men and incorporate into masculine cultural norms, they actively believe masculinity is akin to fascism. Women are nearly the dominant political power, they have achieved near equity among gen X, complete social equity among the millennial generation and are dominant among Generation Z. When boomers are gone the reign of women starts. They have no desire for equality among the sexes, they want to dominate and destroy men, they want to avenge themselves on men. Their politics is, and will increasingly become, reactionary in form as they shift from the goal of capturing the pinnacle position of a stratified society to sandbagging and entrenching their superior position. Being afraid to critique women and feminism will be disastrous for transwomen, they will be a significant antagonist to you for life. In countries where the church has be beaten back more thoroughly than the US, they are likely to be THE principal antagonist. Having any allegiance to feminism from the left is disastrous and a product of a world that effectively no longer exists. Women hate you and want you to suffer for life, nothing in life makes them happier.
>>42979389Because of the way you speak, the way you think, and the way you treat others. You are Jewish, that's a fact. I identified you by how you are talking to me, also a fact. Syllogize that you dumb Jew. In the meantime I will be setting up trans spaces that recognize trauma, provide safety and compassion, and make sure that trans people are getting the care and support they need. Because I'm actually trans and capable of empathizing with others.
>>42979372trueeveryone is wrong and evil and you can do no wrong
>>42979403Not reading all that but congratulations or sorry that happened to you.
>>42979403Retarded thing is most men aren't pay off the patriarchy and never were. It was just elitism and women never bothered to differentiate between the people in power and men as a while. Irony being most of this started out as trying to break class stratificationb and ask is done is reinforce it but traded men's face on it for women.
>>42979403man the lgbt world needs to deal with its incel problemkys
>>42979406You're projecting controlled opposition you moron. You've spent so much time on Pol. You don't even realize Jews are as stratified as the rest of us. But cause morons like you keep projecting all the ills of the world on Jews, you let the elite of the Jews convince the useful idiot Jews to push their agenda. If you actually head half a brain, you'd see the strings on your wrists. But that's too complicated for you. I'll say it now, I'm not Jewish. It's just another Abrahamic cult like the rest.
I should proof read. Autocorrect fucked me hard on this post>>42979417
>>42979356>we have good relations with trans men as cis menlol no we don't, we have no relations with trans men whatsoever. they obviously aren't men and they don't put any effort into being men. we have "good relations" insofar as they are women and pose zero threat in any sense to men or masculinity more broadly. I've seen probably two transmen online - out of hundreds and hundreds - that I actually consider men, one being that pornstar and the other being the tiktok dude that works in a machine shop. Transmen fundamentally aren't like transwomen, they are trying to become some third gender, they aren't trying to assimilate as men.
>>42979433>Please stop picking on us poor Jew you ebil poltardI will as soon as you do what I said and fuck off. Nobody is falling for your shit any more. AFABs vs AMABs, ftms vs mtfs, LGB vs T, binary vs enbie, nobody is buying what you're selling. But every time you come here to sell it someone like me points out that YOU ARE JEWISH. Because it's ALWAYS a Jew doing it. And now everyone is nooticing. People don't hate you because you're Jewish. People hate Jews because of you.
>>42979439you dont see trans men crying they want to be included in cis men spaces either way
preach
>>42979439>I've never spoken to a trans man in my life. They're literally just short men. Most of them are fully stealth, even to each other. It's so much easier to let testosterone do it's thing, than it is to undo that thing once done.
>>42979448Because they aren’t excluded. Trans men aren’t uniquely oppressed in any meaningful way.
>>42979466are you saying trans men are fully accepted?
>>42979448yes, yes you do lmao, go to any gay bar and there’s a pooner there, go to any sauna and theres a pooner there. And it’s not just the pooners, it’s their homophobic heterosexual boyfriends too.
>>42979466Are you joking right now?They're opressed by the universe itself. Imagine being born a dickless man who gets a period, grows tits, and is literally the smallest and weakest man in the entire world. I lived as a man long enough to know how precious masculinity is, and when your own DNA is conspiring to emasculate you, I have nothing but sympathy.
>>42979473Im saying nobody gives a shit. They sometimes get caught in the crossfire of legislation targeting trans women but on the whole they don’t have real problems
>>42979476im a cis mangay bars are not cis spacesbut look at the cis lesbian gen vs cis gay gennotice a difference?
>>42979440You realize your obsession with jews is schizotypal right? Even if you have compelling arguments, you're projecting like 90 percent of this argument. Also you're beginning to froth at the mouth about Jews. You going to tell me they have some sort of hive mind to communicate this massive conspiracy?
>>42979466They aren’t excluded and oppressed because 90% still act and dress and look like cis women and the remaining 10% just ruin the spaces for the cis guys anyway and it becomes a pooner space.
>>42979480That’s just being trans. It sucks but it’s not unique to trans men. When I say they aren’t uniquely oppressed I mean in regard to like issues specific to trans men that aren’t just issues for all trans people
>>42979491>gay bars are not cis spacesYes they are. Drag queens are not trans women. >>42979494>schizoYou realize that only Jews use this gaslighting tactic right?You're in a trans space moron, I have three therapists, two doctors, and Ai.
>>42979491>gay bars are not cis spacesyes they are, if a guy wanted to fuck pussy he wouldn’t go to a gay bar, fuck off >notice a difference?that pooners can’t respect a space made especially not for them, so they post anyway, because women are insanely entitled?
>>42979503Well I'm a trans woman and I don't experience that.
>>42979509>>42979510now whos the transphobic one?as for thr generals the cis lrs general has to verify people arent pretending to be cis in their discord while the gay one has no issues like that
>>42979513If you don’t experience dysphoria you’re not trans.
>>42979420im not an incel im a communist, the incels are fundamentally right about the shift in power from men to women. denying such is just liberal nostalgia, feminism has become a reactionary supremacist movement for entrenching the dominance of one identity category over another in a socially stratified society. the dominance is not an ephemeral cultural force, it is material, it is vast inequity in life milestones, educational attainment, upward career movement, and political power. The patriarchy does not exist beyond a set of retrograde sexist beliefs held by men. Women's political dominance is expressed materially in vast civil society groups and NGOs dedicated to the advancement of women to the detriment of men, entire academic departments and schools in every single university dedicated in promulgating the ideology of feminism which has retarded to the point of merely concerning itself with the material advancement of women and actual laws and judicial enforcement that makes this ideology and situation the law of the land. billions and billions of dollars are spent on these enterprises. patriarchy, comparatively, has what? a gang of mentally retarded online misogynist men's groups that are often literally treated as terrorist formations and have the full weight of post war-on-terror surveillance architecture leveled against them. If you are a millennial or younger you have never lived in a world of male dominance, you have always lived in a world of female dominance.
im just saying ive never seen a gay subreddit be taken over by a trans man but multiple les subs are now trans circlejerks
>>42979523That's not dysphoria you moron. That's emasculation. I don't experience that because I'm not a man. Idiot. >>42979522>incomprehensible gibberishI have no idea what you're trying to say but I'm sure you're wrong.
>>42979522>now whos the transphobic one?that would be me, I hate pooners as much as the cis women who larp as one in these threads >>42979523this tbhon
>>42979534>I'm from reddit and I'm here to tell you my opinionGo back.
>>42979535i misspelled les to lrs and you cant read my post?dishonest
>>42979535Okay obvioidly I didn’t mean that specific kind of dysphoria are you fucking autistic
>>42979541then continue hating and being hated i guessmay you find peace one day
>>42979509Only Jews use this gaslighting tactic? >Source: it came to me in a dreamFirst of all I'd have to be gaslighting you, no you're genuinely obsessive about Jews that you're projecting them into everything. That's a fact. Not a subversion. Count how many times you've brought up Jews without a prompt to. Count how many times you've attributed something solely to Jews that there's numerous examples of non Jews doing. But clearly I'm wasting my time trying to convince you of your paredoilia, which one day I'll be able to spell correctly. Seriously though, get some sunlight.
>>42979543Correct. Now that I do understand your post, cislesgen is literally just Jewish terfs invading autist space and demanding it change to suit them. Literally the life story of every fucking board on this site. Feminism is cancer.
so this thread just proved that ftms are mad mtfs are not excluded and want them excluded but also they don't want anyone to exclude them?you'll never meet anyone more transphobic than trannies i guess
>>42979551yeah i am so hated, everyone hates me so much. How could the penised man ever compare to hairy women who invade his spaces, truly?
>>42979547IT'S NOT DYSPHORIAIT'S EMASCULATIONAll men experience emasculation. Trans men just get it harder than most. Because trans men are men.
>>42979557wait reverse i meanim tiredftms are not excluded&
>>42979561You are actually retarded if you don’t get what I was saying
>>42979556>Feminism is cancer... and LeafyIsHere is... AWESOME!
>>42979567yeah those terminally online anons post 700 times per day then wonder why everyone hates trannies
>>42979553Source: I have been doing this since the Battle.net off topic forums and IRC. The real schizophrenia is that some 20-nothing Jew thinks he's clever enough to larp as a tranny on the Autism site. You cannot gaslight me. I have already nooticed you. You're ONLY good option is to close 4chan and do something else.
>>42979567Literally these retards got psyoped in 2016 and are literally going to brute force their way into the gas chambers because they still think girls are icky gamergate bullshit is an important political issue
>>42979244Literally no foid will ever look at a troon and think that he's a woman so it's a moot point
>>42979566I understand what you're trying to say. You're wrong. You think trans men are women which is why you can't understand the plight of trans men who keep getting included in "AFAB spaces". >>42979567The fuck are you even talking about?Go back.
>>42979577An appeal to authority is not an argument. And I'm not the one being obsessive because of my exposure to 4chan.
>>42979578Jew if you don't understand how Kathleen Kennedy self-nuked in the middle of hollywood then you don't belong here.
>>42979589That's not even an appeal to authority you moron. Geez first year at Tel'aviv university is not worth the money your parents paid for it.
>>42979584No I think trans men are men which is why they can’t get off their seething MRA bullshit. They’re literally doing trans gamergate on tumblr right now. Trans men are men in the worst possible way
>>42979597What's that got to do with what I said?
>>42979592Okay.
>>42979597trans women are the best of men and womentrans men are the worst men and women
>>42979356Trans men don't want to be kept out of male spaces either, and we are also affected negatively from "AFAB only" spaces existing. I don't want to be around women.
>>42979605>Jewish bullshitYou're so unironic it's pathetic. At NO POINT will you ever turn binary trans against binary trans.
>>42979603You said I think trans men are women. They aren’t and I don’t. There is no plight in being included in afab spaces. You can just choose not to go.
>>42979596>I've been doing this since battle net and IRCThat's an appeal to authority. You're basically saying "trust me bro" even though you've willfully argued in bad faith the entire time because you're obsessive. I can't help you any more if you're just going to keep your eyes shut. Talking to you is a waste of time.
>>42979610wtf is an AMAB only space though, other than like a gay bathhouseIf you act the part you're welcome anywhere
>>42979597No one cares about tumblr anymore
>>42979614The point is that even once trans men cure their dysphoria, they still experienc endless chronic emasculation. Just like trans women, once we cure our dysphoria, experience nightmarish dysmorphia.Being trans sucks.
>>42979613Sure i'm willing to change my mind.Ftms aren't sending their best though
>>42979619Yeah, women don't come into men's spaces cause they dissolved them all as sexist
>>42979610>”trans men dont want to be kept out of male spaces”Cool. They aren’t. And yeah im sure trans men are very harmed by being allowed in every type of homeless shelter. I didn’t think about the poor trans men having to stand next to some while I was on the streets selling my body so I could eat. Fucking kill yourself.
>>42979617No it isn't you fucking retard. An appeal to authority is when you say "I have a PhD in Jew spotting. and therfore you with a mere bachelors degree in Jew spotting cannot possible dispute me."And you're forgetting the fact that YOU ARE ACTUALLY A JEW.
>>42979628I mean, theres heavily male dominated spaces where being an attention whoring foid isn't appreciated. I navigate them fine though as mtf
>>42979619I agree. The thing is, cis men are not trying to keep trans men out of male spaces, but cis women are trying to keep trans women out of female spaces. That's why you see MTFs complain, while FTMs don't need to.
>>42979626Yes, so it’s not a unique issue to trans men
>>42979597>They’re literally doing trans gamergate on tumblr right nowTFW tumblr is suddenly more based than this board
>>42979648Literally kill yourself retard
>>42979634Semantics, you said you knew what you're doing because you've been doing it for a while, even though your outburst there just goes to prove my point that you don't know shit and just froth over jews.Good day sir.
>>42979636Not the same, excluding females from those spaces is considered discrimination. Not self protective like women's spaces.
>>42979627Hasbara is not sending their best. I remember the old JIDF, at the very least they were experienced shitposters with triple digit IQs. You lot these days are just insulting. I AM THE WORLDS GREATEST TROLLMy list of accomplishment is looooong. All anonymous of course. And if you think about it an autistic tranny from Australia from 4chan is pretty fucking obvious. Tell your bosses that if they insist on sending Jews here, they need to send better Jews. >>42979630That's because men's spaces don't exist any more. Feminists destroyed them all.
>>42979662Yeah but they get to feel pretty fucking miserable when nobody gives them attention. And they won't stay for long
>>42979638U R Teh dum>>42979655>SemiticsYep.
my wife has a theory the reason trans women act like this is because you are all just starting HRT and the sudden flood of hormones is making you act like teenagersi think this thread is proof of thatalso you werent told since puberty that everything you do is your hormones
>>42979674Or they just use social currency to destroy those places. Look at fandoms.
>>42979678I've been on HRT for years and never been as cismisogynistic as I am today. Theyfabs ruined every trans community by making it about themselves
>>42979675U R teh fucking retarded
>>42979678I keep trying to tell people that I'm experience teenaged angst, and the best I've got is comiseration on menopause.
>>42979685grow up
>>42979687>No UI shan't recover from this devastating attack soon i should think.
>>42979683Fandoms are femoid spaces, idk why anyone cares. Let them try ruin FPS games or black metal>>42979689Foid social shaming tactic. Yawn
>>42979692Rope pick me
>>42979693... You don't know do you? I guess you like the Nikki menage skin in COD and the all women's bands getting pushed despite being very average.
>>42979711Tbh i hadnt played the new cods, I'm still playing ghosts. But generally its merit thats respected, and women are almost never good at FPS games
genuinely fascinating threada deep read into how trannies think without the mask
>>42979244some mtfs do be predators though. statistically informed risk tolerance is a valid basis for decision-making
>>42979725Allow me to spoil the endingautism.
>>42979739i noticed autism misogyny misandry and transphobia all in one genuine hate machines
>>42979689Transwomen are not only the single most objectively persecuted group in the LGBT in the west today, they are the single most objectively persecuted group of women in the west today. Women, and FTMs, who aren't actually men want to add to that persecution because they see MTFs as men and they've been taught to hate men from birth. Feminism, ostensibly the movement for women's rights, has had a singular political manifestation in the last decade and that is to lobby the state to destroy transwomen.
>>42979748Why does this make me feel proud tho? You science can't answer that.
>>42979748Misandry isnt real
>>42979750Trans women is two words chud.
>>42979753i don't think you can answer that either
>>42979750Are you British? Because if not this take is retarded and makes no sense.
>>42979765its a frog poster
>>42979763Because Jesus. Check and mate atheism.
