Why do a lot of trannies fall for this meme ideology? Is it just a larp or are they seriously out of their minds
>how dare people cooperate we should just let corporations use us as meat to make profits until we diet. least self aware tranny
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>>42982730cooperation sounds good in theory but it's not practical at scale. but then again a lot of marxist states that actually existed were not about cooperation.
>>42982721your alternative?
>>42982721>nooo don't unionize haha you are supposed to let mr shekelberg steal 95% of the wealth you generate so he can buy another yacht and wet his cock in 10 year olds haha
>>42982775>cooperation sounds good in theory but it's not practical at scalecapitalism is "cooperation" at scale but with an exploitative class at the head of things who utilize state violence protecting "property rights" to stop the reorganizing of systems to something more equitablewhat do you think socialized labor is? shipping lanes?
>>42982864>more equitableLike what
>>42982730People cooperate within and between corporations all the time, but I wouldn't expect a jobless commie to understand that.
>t. ameritard
>>42982730Just be anarcho-nihilist instead at least you don't have to believe in alternative failed systems just to counter the current failed system. Negation can never be the wrong answer, and what follow after is not my problem
Every corporation is basically a communist state internally. The USSR was a terribly mismamaged corporation. Modern China is a much better managed corporation by comparison. Anyway I don't know why you want to live locked inside a corporation like that instead of just working for one at will.
>>42982877the complete upending of the capitalist mode of production in favorite of socialized ownership via a workers state, the end of the private class of wealth hoarders through the seizing of property and end of property rights, the completion of western revolution
>>42982721Trannies are often disenfranchised and or socially isolated and those are the people most vulnerable to radicalization. The others are just retards who can't apply critical thinking skills or think they're gonna be ruling the party after the revolution
>>42982721>are they seriously out of their mindsyeah nigga i'm nuts
>>42982985Anyone who supports capitalism can't apply critical thinking skills themselves, they just go "but le USSR" and defer to the status quo blindly. Idfk what economic system would work, but fuck boomers and billionaires owning everything and me eating shit. I'm selfish too, I want mine, I don't want to work I want to fucking steal it. Fuck you
>>42983035stealing is based, i have a friend under the poverty line that would steal around me all the time and it made me realize that i'm paying for overpriced bullshit from corporations who are fucking me day in, day outso i just started taking shit from corporate chain stores and walking out and my life got immediately better
>>42983055based AF indeed, and fuck all bootlickers who imagine themselves future billionairesThey consider themselves "alpha" but they're the biggest slaves and hall-monitors on the planet
It's the ideology for downwardly mobile losers who think they are owed success. Trannies sit inside, are autistic, are usually massive failures relative to what they were given (next point), rich parents, and watch porn all day.Why would that be surprising?
>>42983087Found the cuck already
>>42982942You just keep chaining buzzwords. What the fuck does "socialized ownership via a workers state" even entail?
>>42983087/Thread
>>42983114> You just keep chaining buzzwords. What the fuck does "socialized ownership via a workers state" even entail?damn if only someone wrote a book explaining this
>>42983176Okay well then break it down for us chief
>>42983176Marx doesn't explain anything beyond critiquing capitalism and other socialist movements during his time.Lenin is a fascist and his ideas resulted in a fascist state.
>>42983196how would you know? youve never read either
>>42983103Your parents when their depressed communigger son acks
>>42983183notice how anon failed to deliver and instead replied to the other guy
i don't take any political ideology that cannot elect their candidates seriously where are all the communists in office? pointless, dead ideology. only exists on twitter. they have no plan no goal no action
>>42983114it means a private entity such as a sole proprietor or a private corporation no longer has legal ownership over thingsit means organizing ownership in a way that the people, the workers, who utilize it and depend on it to complete their labor have ownership and responsibility for ityou think of a unionized factory, something i have first hand experience with, and the functions of that factoryaround 800 workers on the floor operating machinery, completing tasks, no owner in sightthe owner however has private ownership over the plant, he has this because he utilized his capital to acquire it and the state as it stands compels everyone to agree with this idea and will utilize violence against people who disagreethose 800 workers take part in socialized labor, fragmented labor to complete wider tasks, but have no stake in the products being made, no stake in the machinery they use, etc.in a workers state, the state no longer believes and upholds private ownership but instead may control the factory itself or the union is responsible for the factory and works in tandem with state functionaries to ensure it meets its goalsin doing this, we haven't actually disturbed the work, we've just challenged the assumption of innate right to ownership that the private entity held before, and implemented socialized control to the workers without disrupting the underlying function and operation of the workif labor is to be socialized, the collective products of that labor should not be privatized and sold off for the benefit of the sole proprietor, it should be the fruits of the laborer beneath a state that focuses on their well-being, not the arbitrary upholding private property rights
>>42983225Better pay lots of taxes for your boomer parents, anonIt's what a good person would do!
everyone itt deserves to die>.t accelerationist
>>42983183"socialized ownership via a workers state" looks like a lot of things and there's quite a lot of variation in how socialists approach it (e.g. cooperatives vs workers' councils). So it's a bit difficult to explain what it entails because it's like asking what privatized ownership of capital entails. In short, it means that those who apply their labor to create value own the tools that they use and keep the value they create. The textile mill is a good example: the workers are the ones who apply their labor to convert the raw cotton into textiles, but they don't own the machinery or the mill. The owner pays them, but pays the workers less than the amount they make for the owner. Under "socialized ownership via a workers state," the workers—through a government representative of the class that sells their labor as a primary means of income—own the mill and retain the full fruits of their labor without any being taken off the top as profit.If you are genuinely curious abut what "socialized ownership via a workers' state" means i'd suggest marx's Critique of the Gotha Programme
>>42982721Because he's just obviously correct about the internal contradictions of capitalism and how they'll inevitably lead us towards socialism or barbarism. Honestly once you see it you wonder how your average person can so delusional in thinking that capitalism will just somehow last forever.
>>42983237no i am a different person and was doing my dishes
>>42982721>meme ideology How is it a meme when there are nominally communist countries, communist parties in almost every country, almost 200 years of communist theory, and the ideology has irreversibly shaped the course of human history and continues to do so? Calling it a meme ideology like it’s Anarcho-Fascism or libertarianism is pretty wild bro
>>42983298i posted itt but I agree, including you and myselft. anarcho-nihilist
>>42983298>deservesimaginary concept.
>>42983324finally an ideology even worse than marxism
oversimplification
>>42983256>in a workers state, the state no longer believes and upholds private ownership but instead may control the factory itself or the union is responsible for the factory and works in tandem with state functionaries to ensure it meets its goalsSounds like a totalitarian nightmare to let the state control everything.It also feels inefficient to let the bureaucrats decide who or what receives funding. There's a reason ussr always lagged behind the west when it comes to innovation and making sure it spreads across the society.
>>42982721way better than jew capitalism. making communism seem worse than it is, is a Jewish ploy to push their big noses greed ideology.
>>42983347its actually perfect in its simplicity. You stop thinking about creating, you just focus on the negation and don't care for what follows afterIt is fail proof, can any other ideology be reasonably expected to have a 100% success rate if followed through to its conclusion?
bureaucrats =/= functionariesand it's a dictatorship, fuck private ownership and the freedom to coerce and exploit people for their entire life
>>42983368well you'd think suicide is retard-proof but lots of people fail at it including you apparently
>>42983368*usually I call this satanism, but I see anarcho-nihilism kind of as the secular echo of the same energy
>>42983377>>42983352
>>42983320it is a meme ideology because communist parties lack any sort of power or political representation in normal countries, and the communist countries are all a laughing stock.
>>42983400>communist parties lack any sort of power or political representation in normal countriesis this nigga for real
>>42983377>bureaucrats =/= functionariesIt's the same shit in practice. If they decide it's not worth it to produce anime or distribute manga then nothing can be done.
>>42982721shalom kike
>>42983400>the communist countries are all a laughing stock.t. Americuck
>>42983412it is true. there's a reason elites don't consider communism a real threat anymore. otherwise there would be red scare 2.0
>>42983368>if followed through to its conclusion?ha-ha, fat chance. the problem is that humans working together under a system of organization like a government+economy will always be more powerful than roving bandits or whatever the fuck, and the most prevalent systems of organization will be the ones that emphasize self-propagation, so it's kind of an inevitability that at least one such system will rise to prevalence and eventually subsume anarcho land into the government.
>>42983352>It also feels inefficient to let the bureaucrats decide who or what receives funding. There's a reason ussr always lagged behind the west when it comes to innovation and making sure it spreads across the society.a couple of things:(1) bureaucrats already decide who or what receives funding. we just call them a "vice president at goldman sachs" or "mckinsey consultant"(2) the USSR lagged behind the west for a bunch of reasons unrelated to "bureaucracy." the US was already industrialized in the 1910s. russia was literally a feudal backwater. also letting the "state control everything" is fundamentally no different than the status quo. someone is going to control things. right now its a bunch of corporate interests that want to extract as much money out of you as possible. it's no more dystopian if it's google secretly recording you then handing it to the cops and it's just a function of ideology to believe differently
>>42983431It is the dusk before the dawn anon, the sun will rise, but I will be long dead.
also mf, you're already in a totalitarian dictatorship, you just toe the party linego and try to change how property rights work, go and try to get wealth for billionaires, go and stand up to the corporate lobbythey put you in the fucking ground if you get too close for comfortyou're under the dictatorship of capital and have been your whole life, you just don't feel like you are because you've played ballyou pay your taxes, you rent, you buy everything, you give your boss all of your surplus, you sign up for job hunting sites to compete in the "free market" hoping you'll get chosen, you work hours decided by your boss, you pick up an extra shift here and thereyou hope one day you'll be rewarded by society and get a better job, you go to school to teach yourself how to be more valuable to the people with money, you work your ass off, you get into a white collar position, you sell yourself figuratively and literally in hopes that you get your little treat of a better lifethen you're still subject to all the same shit, you try to buy property, you try to rent property, and you try to stave off the effects of not playing ballhomelessness, poverty, starvation, malnutrition, no longer being employablei'm not some fucking neet either, i've worked hard labor, i've worked comfy corporate jobs, i'm educatedbut i'm beneath the dictatorship of capital, pension plan or not
>>42983435>the USSR lagged behind the west for a bunch of reasons unrelated to "bureaucracy."USSR was able to stumble upon something similar to the internet at around the same time as the capitalist west, but they only tried to implement it to facilitate the communication within the state machinery and bureaucratic hierarchy. It never moved beyond that.
>>42983441another problem with your ideology is that people interested in thinking critically will never fall for it so you're kind of doomed to your allies being idiots.
>>42983472You don't have to believe in ideology or anything. All you need is a lust for destruction.
>>42983488you think you don't have an ideology? you sound like the christians who say they're not religious.
>>42983428>communism isn’t a threat!>but we need to contain and demonize China constantly, and sanction Cuba and kidnap Maduro and suck South Korea’s dick and label antifa a terrorist organization and have Ukraine ban the communist party and fund anticommunists everywhere ok retard
>>42983500Sure I do to an extent, but for forces to align with our goal of total negation they don't need to share any ideology with us. They just need to destroy.
“Throughout the civilised world the teachings of Marx evoke the utmost hostility and hatred of all bourgeois science (both official and liberal), which regards Marxism as a kind of “pernicious sect”. And no other attitude is to be expected, for there can be no “impartial” social science in a society based on class struggle. In one way or another, all official and liberal science defends wage-slavery, whereas Marxism has declared relentless war on that slavery. To expect science to be impartial in a wage-slave society is as foolishly naïve as to expect impartiality from manufacturers on the question of whether workers’ wages ought not to be increased by decreasing the profits of capital.But this is not all. The history of philosophy and the history of social science show with perfect clarity that there is nothing resembling “sectarianism” in Marxism, in the sense of its being a hidebound, petrified doctrine, a doctrine which arose away from the high road of the development of world civilisation. On the contrary, the genius of Marx consists precisely in his having furnished answers to questions already raised by the foremost minds of mankind. His doctrine emerged as the direct and immediate continuation of the teachings of the greatest representatives of philosophy, political economy and socialism.The Marxist doctrine is omnipotent because it is true. It is comprehensive and harmonious, and provides men with an integral world outlook irreconcilable with any form of superstition, reaction, or defence of bourgeois oppression. It is the legitimate successor to the best that man produced in the nineteenth century, as represented by German philosophy, English political economy and French socialism.”– V. I. Lenin, The Three Sources and Three Component Parts of Marxism (1913)
>>42983472>people interested in thinking critically will never fall for it>this is why we need to spend trillions and kill millions and spend a whole century stopping communism from spreading globally
>>42983465yeah i mean I'm not going to dispute that the USSR stagnated in the 70s. It clearly did. Why that happened is an interesting question and likely related to the failure to adopt cybernetics as it became feasible. Corruption was also a problem, as it is in any rapidly developing country. The authoritarianism created opportunities for more exploitation. Also, initially, the US also only used the internet for military communication.>>42983472> "people interested in thinking critically will never fall for it"educated people are far more likely to be socialists. this isn't an actual point, more just an insult lol
>>42982721Autism and low iq
>>42983505those really have nothing to do with communism other than cuba. they're just normal geopolitical shenanigans.
>>42983514the only people who are going to 'just destroy' are people who believe in your ideology though. why would someone put themself at risk and make the world a worse place for themself and everyone else if they don't think it's in furtherance of some desirable end goal? and if you do get them onboard the second they face opposition from all the people who don't want society to be destroyed they'll capitulate because they have no skin in the game.
>>42983528>educated people are far more likely to be socialists.this hasn't been true for a while now. educated people tend to be leftist but not marxist socialist type leftist. they're at best socdem imperialists.
>>42983527>>42983528we're not talking about communism dumbasses read the reply chain before inserting yourself.
>>42983549You are thinking too hard, most want to destroy because we have nothing left to live for. Including myself.
>>42983563no they don't. most people with nothing left to live for have no interest in doing any of that. and most people don't have nothing left to live for, most people have lots of things to live for and are very concerned with their well-being and very afraid of death.
>>42983574You aren't a fallen soul like me, the void has already consumed me. The void wishes to expand outwards
>>42983562> read the reply chainyou posted less than a minute after a someone else and your post read like a continuation of their post. sorry>>42983555i said they're "more likely" for a reason. socialists are going to be overrepresented among academics but aren't going to be the majority
>>42983586oh my god stop being so melodramatic. nobody actually thinks like this except you. i'm as miserable as they come, i hate society as it is currently organized, i think normal people are delusional and evil, and i am a bit of an efilist (though i don't condone attempts to implement it since it's a lost cause that just creates more pain), but this is stupid and nonsensical. just because you've abandoned reasoning because believing this fills some hole in your heart doesn't mean a remotely significant enough number of people to actually destroy society are ever going to join your cause. and frankly i have doubts that most people who do believe in your cause have actually even done all that much destroying.
>>42983662Haha sure anon. Perhaps you'll find your place too
>>42983701so what, is the idea that anybody who doesn't buy into this obvious bullshit in 30 seconds just isn't in touch with 'the void' enough anyway? it seems like this concept in your mind that the truly downtrodden must have your destruction fetish is unfalsifiable then if you're going to blow off everyone who doesn't, no?
>>42983758I'm not blowing you off anon, I just have a different perspective. I know the worlds demise is inevitable, and coming quick. The final crossroads is nearing for all of us.
>>42983788every point you've made in favor of your perspective is completely nonsensical. i'm genuinely interested in why you believe this and what the substance of it is but you keep speaking in riddles and ignoring the obvious pitfalls and it isn't particularly helpful.
>>42982721it's mostly just larping/grifting to try and fit inoccasionally you'll find a genuine ML psycho who jerks off to the idea of being in the secret police
>>42983893me desu
>>42983847Seek and ye shall findThe second horseman is descending
>>42983935i am seeking, this conversation is me seeking. no i'm not going to google it and read some stupid manifesto or whatever, i'm just asking for the basic idea and logic and where i'm going wrong in my points against it.
>>42983971This is 4chin, we don't spoonfeed sorry sisBut i'd say research the occult
>>42983986>we don't spoonfeed sorry sisomg cope harder you literally won't talk to me because you don't have any response to the points i'm making and you're figuring whatever book or wiki or whatever else serves as you people's de facto reference guide addresses them for you.
>>42983533>normal geopolitical shenanigansgeg
