https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/portuguese-parliament-advances-sweeping>On Friday, Portugal's parliament voted to advance three bills that would dismantle some of Europe's most progressive gender identity protections, in a joint effort between the country's center-right governing coalition and its surging far-right opposition. Colelctively, the bills would ban gender-affirming care for transgender youth, require adults to obtain approval from a medical team before changing their name or gender marker on civil documents, and prohibit the discussion of "gender ideology" in schools for anyone under 18—a provision that mirrors the "don't say gay" laws sweeping American red states. If enacted, the legislation would revert the country to a 2011-era framework that treated being transgender as a disorder requiring intensive clinical diagnosis steps rather than an identity people could freely embrace. The bills still face several procedural steps before becoming law, but with a commanding parliamentary majority behind them, they appear well on their way.>The bills are sweeping in scope and echo efforts to target transgender people in the United States and, increasingly, internationally. One bill, from PSD, the center-right party that leads Portugal's governing coalition, would return name changes and gender marker changes to a 2011-era framework requiring adults to obtain a formal diagnosis of "gender incongruence" from a multidisciplinary clinical team including a physician and a psychologist—a process that requires navigating Portugal's limited number of specialized sexology programs and that activists fought for years to eliminate. Because the bill revokes 2018 protections in their entirety, it would also eliminate broad anti-discrimination protections based on gender expression, school nondiscrimination for trans students, social name protections for minors and nonbinary people, and sports.
>>43030954>ColelctivelyI'm trying to be serious about the serious thing, but this made me smile.
>>43030954>"gender ideology"Why do I have to keep getting punished for this?
>>43030954Stop tolerating rightoids
They tried passing shit like that in poland too, it was thrown in the freezer lol
>>43030954this is obviously too far, but I don't necessarily disagree about treating being trans as a disorder rather than identity. That's just what it is.
>>43031071The thing is, when being trans is categorized as a disorder rather than gender dysphoria being a disorder, it frames trans people ourselves as a problem to be solved rather than actually, y'know, treating dysphoria.
>only one that's particularly likely to be passed is gender changes after diagnosis/treatment billNot bad
>>43031100that has never been the medical consensus though, everaccepting being trans as a medical disorder means actually having medical rights (for under 18s too), insurance coverage, and legal basis for sex marker changes. Categorizing being trans as a social identity and a choice opens the door for conversion therapy, banning treatment for under 18s, restricting medical treatment and insurance coverage for surgery as "you don't need hrt to be trans", and permitting only surface level changes to sex markers on ID but not allowing changes to your birth certificate or medical documents. personally I would actually like my problems solved instead of being told how valid I am. regardless, what the portugese government is doing is wrong, but it's also clearly targeted against the social identity model and doesn't deny the medical model. The problem is that things like care for under 18s and sex marker changes have been justified based purely on social identity for the last couple of decades, and arguments based on the social model have been failing in court all over the world in the last couple of years.
>>43031243No, that's accepting gender dysphoria as a disorder. If being trans, as in, transitioning, is the disordered behavior rather than the treatment, then the solution is to *wipe trans people out.*
>>43031292>If being trans, as in, transitioning, is the disordered behavior rather than the treatment, then the solution is to *wipe trans people out.*the medical consensus was that being trans was a disorder with no distinction from transitioning for nearly a century, and there was never any mainstream or successful push to exterminate trans people by medical systems. This is just some "doctors are insane and evil for no reason" type response. In fact, historical doctors who worked with trans people or lgbt people in general were often some of the greatest supporters of rights.
>>43031559The thing is, this isn't the doctors making that decision. This is the rightoid politicians who have a very specific agenda. Remember, they think being trans itself is the disorder, not the treatment for disorder. They don't want what's best for you. They hate trannies and want trannies eradicated, not dysphoria itself.
>>43031580yes, which is why I specified at the beginning that I don't agree with these policies
>>43031559in the us before 1979 even insurance routinely covered srs before paul mchugh (catholic) shut down the john hopkins transsexual program and it stopped being considered legitimate medicine around those timesthe problem is at least half of these arguments is just semantics. do I have gender dysphoria if I'm long finished transitioned? idk. i don't tick any of the dsm boxes unless you consider me male which also seems wrong. did I transition though? well obvious. idk you can argue this shit and what language should be until the ends of the earth but none of it changes the material reality that i had to change my body and now live happily as a woman. the other reality is that lots of doctors are insane and evil and we've all encountered them. yet i don't know any other way to conceptualize what happened to me besides it being a medical condition. that the medical establishment has been poorly equipped to deal with it is entirely separate.it's like telling a pre-everything trans woman that she's a woman. i guess this is supposed to validate her decision to transition, but it's not going to help her much when she looks down at her hairy masculine "bepenised" body. fixing her body is another issue which cannot be done with language.did i become a woman or was i a woman all around? it's just semantics. personally i say both depending on what's rhetorically convenient.
>>43031580and yeah precisely they're using semantics and rhetoric to trick well-minded people into supporting them while making things materially worse for us.>>43031763continuing what i was talking about another unfortunate reality is the number of our "allies" who are misguided and don't seem to really understand us. they frequently lap up transphobic policies.personally i had to get away from the "trans expert" doctor to get competent gynecologic care post-op because his expertise said i couldn't have the infection i had... going to him felt like he considered my vaginal infection a mental issue and not a physical health issue. idk if that's tranphobia or idiocy.and of course well minded cis friends didn't seem to understand why their well-liked doctors wouldn't even talk to me. Or they have another thing where they agree trans medicine is super complicated and that I really do need an expert and are apparently unwilling or unable to consider the reality that experts aren't always experts. all of these people including at least one doctor who refused to see me despite a trans flag in her office describe themselves as allies... but I digress.
People miss the fact that there's multiple different ways of medicalising transness. In the mid-twentieth century trannies were mainly treated and researched by endocrinologists, who primarily saw it as a physical health problem and who encouraged integration into cisgender society. Beginning in the late 60s going into the 70s, a transition to a psychiatric model which saw transness as a result of disordered psychological development took hold, which coincided with worse gatekeeping regimes and anti-trans reform to law and healthcare coverage. This is why a lot of those first generation researchers, guys literally born in the 19th century, were more pro-trans than the second generation of researchers (the John Money and Ray Blanchard types).Both of these are forms of medicalisation, but one is clearly at least somewhat beneficial and the other hostile.
>>43030954Rightoids in every country now pretty much all have the same far-right political views, influenced by MAGA, so unfortunately this stuff will probably spread to more countries over time whenever the right wins elections... depressing asf
it's too late to stop tolerating faith
>>43030954why can’t there be a single political party in the world that is both protranny and anti migrant is that so hard
>>43034716You either have empathy or don't, get fucked lmao
>>43031559>doctors are insane and evil for no reasondoctors are insane and evil. this is simply the objective truth.it's not for no reason. it's usually power and money that is the reason, in addition to the profession now attracting nearly exclusively sociopaths and default evil people.
Just out of curiosity how many of you fuckers are actually Portuguese? Not counting the public transport obsessed tranny or any non national that lives there
>>43037843>anything that's not from burgeristan needs to be discussed only if an anon is actually from thereI can't wait for the burger hegemony to die off. The cultural one I mean. It's already 50% of what it was a decade ago. Maybe in another decade we're finally free of this incessant arrogance.
>>43039712It was just a question lil bro, assumptions make you look retarded
>>43031071>>43031100they dont want to fix it they want it to go away.
>>43039961Yes they want to "fix" the "problem" of trans people simply existing by eradicating them.
>>43031071if you want to require a diagnosis from one doctor, fine, whatever, i have bigger shit to worry aboutrequiring a "multidisciplinary clinical team" is very obviously an NHS-style attempt to prevent transition entirely by creating abusively long waitlists
