Why is it that transmedicalism isn't that accepted on ttttWithout it, people think that being a tranny is something that literally anyone can just do, that you can be forced to be a tranny, and othersI saw a post saying that twinks are becoming tgirls which is bullshit because only those with dysphoria can be transYes some probably are twinks, but they're not really twinks(fem men) then are they hmm
>>43036664People experience identity in different ways. Saying tranny is hurtful and counterproductive, please shut the fuck up
>>43036693Sure they do but there's too many trenders
>>43036723I think saying anyone who doesn’t identify as cis is automatically trans is what the issue is. People should be allowed to explore their gender identity while also not taking over the trans community which has entirely different challenges they have to overcome.
>>43036733If you identify as a gender that isn't what your sex was then you're not cisI'm not saying people can't express themselves the way they want
>>43036693Naw, fuck you in particular. Everything in the graphic is spot on. I hate all of you apologists and faketrans retards that eroded away what little rights we had. KYS
>>43036664People can do whatever the fuck they want with their bodies, but it ends at that, body modification. No dysphoria == not transI really wish the trans label wasn't misappropriated by these fuckin retards
>>43036765The pushback came from the denial of biological sex not gender expressions
>>43036664Because it is anti-DIY and suggests that "doctors know best"
>>43036789I know what they mean but I don't think its that easy. In many aspects a tranny does need to be treated biologically as the acquired sex, though a lot of stuff doesn't change. I do find the identity stuff tiring though, trans is just a thing to be I don't think "identity" helps us and just pisses off normies who foam at the mouth when they need to learn new stuff
>>43036791There's a common misconception that transmeds think you NEED a diagnosis to be valid and thus it's classist, when this isn't true
>>43036664Yea, idk things got so bad I just kind of don't care anymore. There's no saving it from the depths of hell its currently in without a monumental effort that is not going to happen.I just have to accept the world at large is going to think I'm some agp sneed pedophile because of my appearance and not a kicked down tranny with the worst dysphoria she's felt in years and no hope of a future relationship. Meanwhile the actual sneeds get to enjoy life.People steal everything from you man :/
>>43036809the mainstream gay movement used to have unironic pedophile elements and look at them now, i think it can still work
>>43036664this comic is extremely stupid because there is no medication shortage caused by too many trannies or whatever. This problem literally doesn't exist, and furthermore the whole problem with trenders is that they DON'T get on hrt in the first place. People who actually want to get on estrogen and medically transition have never been a problem, which is why the doctor gatekeepy kind of transmedicalism has never been popular here. furthermore, transmedicalism is just a strawman in general. There are very few trans people who actually want to return to the pre-2010s state of hrt access, because gatekeeping doctors hurt everyone (except of course people who don't medically transition). but also more importantly the accusation of "twinks becoming trans" is also not an endorsement of trans as a choice, there's just a lot of dysphoric twinks. Cis men without gender dysphoria do not medically transition.
>>43036664if someone wants to take estrogen and call themselves a twinkgirl i kinda don't care it's weird to even want to involve yourself in that
>>43036847obviously they're not trans but i don't think we need to tell them that
>>43036833i haven't considered it before but this is true. if the gays could come back from Nambla you can come back from anything
>>43036843>which is why the doctor gatekeepy kind of transmedicalism has never been popular hereTransmedicalism has nothing to do with DIYing or not, it has to do with dysphoria being required to call yourself a tranny
I hate foxgenders and nontransitioning transmxcs as much as anyone but imagine if we told bi people they shouldnt be allowed to enter homosexual relationships because they are capable of feeling attraction to the opposite sex because gays "need" to be in homosexual relationships to live a fulfilling life but bisexuals don't, and that any same-sex attracted bisexuals are fake-gay. hrt should be OTC
>>43036855the truth always finds its way into people, most people are good they just don't know what the hell is going on. They hate us because they barely know what a tranny even is.
>>43036874Hell, even most christians who still oppose homosexuality for "biblical" reasons associate it with pedophilia, and I'm pretty sure even the guys who put that part in the bible were trying to imply the same thing.
>>43036664>cia Jew psyop thread
why is gook-kun back?
>>43036861Yeah>>43036871That's different
>>43036888Nice try eshkol>>43036890>Waaa waaa I'm a racist loser I'll leave soon dw
>>43036861that's totally subjective and transmedicalism can be used to mean either one
>>43036861Don't you need dissatisfaction to transition? Like I can't imagine anyone going through all this just because they got bored.
>>43036765good little capo>>43036802that is literally what it means though, it is the institutionalization of our suffering.>>43036833because male sexual violence is entirely normalized and even in some contexts valorized, while anti-trans ideology is rooted in misogyny. i don't mean to erase ftms of course, but there's a reason the ire is focused in its near entirety on mtfs, though thinking about it, what little anti-ftm sentiment exists is also rooted in misogyny, as its usually framed as concerns about fertility and patriarchal control of the birthing person.
>>43036904yea. dissatisfaction i.e. dysphoria>>43036901I have never heard of "transmedicalist" be used in the context of being anti-DIY, its colloquially pretty much just synonymous with Truscum
>>43036693>Saying tranny is hurtful and counterproductive, please shut the fuck upnigger where do you think we are
>>43036899cry for me yellow fren
>>43036693Ok well I personally like calling myself a tranny and reclaiming the word, and I think i have more of a right to do so than random people who do not have dysphoria have to tell me not to use it and that it is a slur.(I just got IP banned off reddit and I'm a little on edge sorry)
>>43036973I think I'll use it less since I'm not transEven tho I'm on 4chan
>>43037034Ohhhh I guess ignore me then haha I thought u were a tranny
>>43036765>I hate all of you apologists and faketrans retards that eroded away what little rights we had.Anon, cis republicans and evangelical christians are the reason we are experiencing a loss of rights. And they did not start purposefully engineering this situation because of "faketrans" people. They've been doing it because they lost on gay marriage and we're the next rung down on the ladder, and because it is a useful distraction and wedge issue.Disavowing enbies, gender nonconforming people and trying to pass and assimilate would not help you. They would do this even if every single trans person was a passing binary heterosexual assimilationist. They would continue to make shit up and exploit our eagerness to disown each other.Also, many people who would likely not meet your criteria to be "real" are the reason we gained any rights in the first place. t. out in the early 00s, politically active IRL for many years
>>43036664I'm agp and I have body dysphoria so I relate to both the faketrans and the transmed in that image
Don't listen to >>43037186 nona.The responsibility for backsliding in rights and public opinion in a democracy is in this case shared with both the political opposition and the advocating institutions.I'm not telling you to be hateful towards other people if they don't deserve it, and to not work together with others on common objectives, but you don't owe allegiance to the common activist line, nor are you obligated to reward people in power for nominally being on your side.A lot of those "cis conservatives" are middle-lower working class Americans who act the way they act because they see it as a fascination of upper class capitalists, media and academics, who have insisted for years along with enablers on making it into a class issue.>>43036929It's rooted in misandry, actually
>>43037493>A lot of those "cis conservatives" are middle-lower working class Americans who act the way they act because they see it as a fascination of upper class capitalists, media and academics, who have insisted for years along with enablers on making it into a class issue.you misunderstand me. I'm referring to politicians, lobbyists, and pundits, not random private citizens, whatever their political leaning. The Heritage Foundation, for example.And by "activists," I do not mean posting on social media, being nonprofit CEOs, or even people who just show up to protest. I mean people who literally did the work of crafting trans rights legislation, training people, speaking directly to everyone from school officials and politicians, creating resources for supporting others to survive and transition, doing pro bono legal work etc. I wouldn't say any trans person "owes allegiance" to any of these people (especially young people. They are OWED civil rights and should not have to congratulate their elders), but it is fairly silly to talk about certain types of trans person being a plague on the community and losing us our rights when the people who helped gain us those rights in the first place were often those same people.
>>43036664if trans means someone that takes hrt then anyone that takes hrt is trans, if it means someone that says they're this or that identity then that's what trans is, ultimately it's just a labelthe bigger issue is that trans ppl that medically transition and feel that they are transitioning their sex to some degree are actually still quite a minorityit isn't that they've changed their minds or disappeared, instead it's because there are so many more ppl that think and say something completely different nowwhile it might be true that all teens should have the freedom to explore their gender expression and identity, it is coming at the cost of the classic trans demographic, while also perpetuating the supposed harms of social constructs cos the issues are conflated and those that medically transition are strongly pigeonholed by ppl that say they're enby and so onas for this board, just refer back to the same old points about demographics changing, since it's not like the ppl that used to post here have changed their minds or the ppl that currently post are at all similar to the kinds of ppl that used to post more
>>43036723bro's hating from outside the club (please kill yourself)
>>43037789You don't have to be in anything to hate them
>>43037801I say again, kill yourself your life is genuinely meaningless and you serve 0 purpose
>>43037807What are you so offended by lmao
>>43037815you're just a worthless person and the world would be better without your presence
>>43037789She's in the club she just doesn't know it yet
>>43036664The shitty part is that trutrans are disgusting ogres and trenders are BPD pretty succubi that instapass at best and end up just insanely attractive twinkhons at worst.Genuinely over for trutranscels.
>>43036843>Cis men without gender dysphoria do not medically transition.Im gonna do it just to prove you wrong and get reverse dysphoria
>>43037825Nothingburger insult>>43037846Of course women would pass as extremely fem men you dumbass >>43037851Retard
>>43037851>t.nta
>>43037859>retarded moid shares opinionI'd go into detail about why I said what I did but you're not worth the energy and i'm instead going to close the tab. for the last time, Kill Yourself
>>43036664the real answer is that transmedicalism goes hand in hand with gatekeeping and anti-DIY and all that stuff.
>>43036891it's still a matter of personal autonomy
>>43037702>you misunderstand me . . . politicians, lobbyists, and pundits, not random private citizens>And by "activists," I do not mean . . . being [nonprofit CEOs/high ranking members] or even people who just show up to protestAh, my mistake. The latter thing is what I meant by activists. I'm extremely distrustful of institutional incentives and feel certain people at these orgs constantly benefit whether they do a good job or not, whether they encourage civic discussion or leap for power and leverage. These people share responsibility with everyone else for how those legal cases go and how those laws survive.But sure, if we are just talking about people doing ground work, that's quite admirable and I see your point.
>>43036891the problem is if we start gatekeeping then it becomes a slippery slope that gives prescedent for people to ban transition for arbitrary reasons. it also makes it difficult for the lower class to transition who often don't have health insurance and can't afford many theeapy sessions to "prove" their transness. this os why we NEED diy and ideally otc hrt
>>43038007Some tmeds aren't against diyI mean, personally diy is really important, especially in transphobic countries and for minors and stuff
>>43037971nta but kinda dumbliterally almost everyone in america is fine with personal autonomy on a basic level, but you know you don't actually mean this.if the transition is by definition not necessary for a person's health or happiness, and the underlying reasons (social pressures, life problems) can provably be addressed through other means, why should society perform the same exchange it would towards a transgender person? for things like healthcare, discrimination protection, bathrooms, providing this means taking away freedom from someone else.and then there is the separate taboo i can't quite phrase about excessive body and genetic modification here. basically by forcing these people into scope you are opening a gaping wound, and bringing something fairly straightforward into such a noxious debate. people will rightfully interrogate you on whether you want becoming a woman or man to be like getting a tattoo, why they shouldn't have a say against this, if minors should also be included at full scope and if parental figures get a say, etc.bisexuals both do not need to be provisioned much and are by definition of sexual orientation, born bisexual.hrt should be prescription only in america, the formal procedures should be made more available, the screening should be fairly minimal to prevent gatekeeping of necessary treatment, but they should be there
or, tl;dr "lol you know transgender people are almost(not precisely) a disability population, right?"
>>43037801Please keep hating them on our behalf. We don't want them here either, guys that talk like the anon arguing with you aren't one of us. They make us uncomfortable and speak for us all the time.
>>43036664Pedos tryna groom doggirl
>>43036861how can you "require" dysphoria if you only know someone has it by them saying so, all you are requiring is people to lie, there's no objective test for "sex dysphoria">>43036887wow almost like religion is just a scam to suppress homosexuality and that's what transgenderism is too
>>43036664>>43036664It's not just here it's commonly derided in most modern 'queer' spaces and communities.It allows teens and LARPers to feel valid when they're not, and it lets people who aren't trans hold something over people who are when they want to demonise, ostracise w/e a tranny they know.I have a friend who got dragged and called a transphobe by a bunch of ppl for being 'truscum' bc she acknowledge the fact that female NBs are almost always fucking stupid straight women who are doing stolen valour or straight men who are sexual predators.And she was the only actual trans person most of these ppl knew. It pissed me off so much.
>>43036664Trans person hereNo one gives a fuck except cis people and people trying to kowtow to themWe engage with the medical system because we have to We would be perfectly happy going back to over the counter hormones and trans women helping other trans women with their dosages.All of this debate has nothing to do with us and everything to do with cis het retards being fragile busy body bitches>retvrn to tradition Go back to saying we were chosen by the gods, its our religion and any attempt to stop us is attacking our religion, there loon Christians now you are trampling on our religious rights
>>43037493Because thos people are knuckle dragging ignorant led around by tight wing propaganda nothing in transmedicalism solves the problem of right wing blood libel and their ability to make up shit out of thin air
>>43038767>how can you "require" dysphoria if you only know someone has it by them saying so, all you are requiring is people to lie, there's no objective test for "sex dysphoria"People are literally out there all the time explicitly arguing that dysphoria *isn't* required for you to be trans or that being GNC to any extent makes you trans.The core issue is that faketrans NBs have no idea what it means to be dysphoric in the same way binary trans people do. Generally they are NB because they do not like certain culturally contingent elements of womanhood and they are poisoned by neoliberal individualism.As such they seek out proximity to transness as a way to resign from a womanhood which is imposed on them from the outside - they use the concept of gender identity to communicate positions that are more truthfully ideological than gendered or sexual.What I mean is that NBism is literally a psyop that stops women from engaging with women's liberation and encourages them to frame those positions as a personal identity rather than political demands for change in relation to women's role in society.I don't know what the fuck is going on with the male NBs though I'm pretty sure they're just all sex pests.
>>43038862It's funny. Certain cis transphobes also believe transgender people are members of an unrecognized cult of some sort who could never be convinced to consider values that didn't come from the circle. Which is why they spend extraordinary amounts of time working on laws pushing you out of their institutions and legal frameworks towards your own.You see the harm being a marginalized population with no right to a public life can cause, and then you conclude that trannies never owe the cissies diddly squat. Except they are many, and you are few.
Autistic mentally stunted and confused men trying to enforce any kind of benchmark regarding their delusion ins peak comedyLike Explain reppers then >>43036664>>43036723Noone WANTS to be Trans, the idea of it being a trend sound like a combination of cope and acceptance of the logic of the people that hate youIm in a major us city. Noone likes yall, i catch shit for even being a lil sympathetic to you plight. Stop trying to score brownie points with people who dont see you as a person for even having tranny thoughtsNext>>43036733This nigga has a brain listen to whoever the fuck said this.You could literally end the thread here
>>43036664because faketroons took over this board like they do with every space meant for us
>>43036664"transmedicalism" is a term used in order to equivocate between two statements1. almost all cases of transition involve someone who could be diagnosed with gender dysphoria if a competent non-evil doctor looked at their case2. the state should prevent people from transitioning unless a medical gatekeeper approves1 is a true statement of fact. 2 is totalitarian evil.
