>be me, mtf 21>talk to cis f friend 23>she's pretty and smart but has had an awful time on dating apps >talk to mtf passoid friend 29>she has been single for 4 years because it's so difficult to find a guy willing to commit>meanwhile>i haven't even started dating yet>feel discouragedwhat are y'alls dating experiences like /tttt/? do u think true love is becoming less common?
>>43037595Most guys are just dogshit, especially the younger gen like you. Gen Z men are an actual waste of time.
>>43037595six seven
>>43037595The guys don't want to commit they all want to be fwb... Even worse they're all broke right now and a good fraction are insufferable. Idk why they're being like this.
>>43037595eldertranny here. i didn’t meet my bf until i was 31. am 34 now. dating is hard as it is. being a tranny makes it even worse. you’ll find your special person eventually.
>>43037605>>43037613like pottery
>>43037595modern dating is horrific
>>43037595Good men are not in apps. Meet them at work or through hobbies/friends
I'm fat and unattractive and everyone wants me bc im problematically flirtatious but I wreck relationships by being a drunk. There's so much drama in my life because my ex partners are fucking each other now
>>43037595i'm a tranny and i've given up on both dating and casual sex, i rly want a bf, but forget itthe only men willing to even look at you will fuck you a second time at best, i've yet to meet a single man who'd be willing to date a tranny, not to speak of settling for one.it's rly that bad, when i accepted that i wouldn't find love, i tried to at least get some fwb thing, where i can have casual sex w/ a guy i kinda like, but even that's impossible, because the only reason to fuck a tranny is that you're in a very tricky situation where you're rly horny and don't have other options, so you fuck a tranny you'll never see again and just ghost her if she didn't get it... that + i don't want a new guy every time it just feels shitty and isn't worth it>inb4 that's because you use dating apps or meet men in places where they just are liek thatplease explain to me how i can meet men organically as a tranny? you realize how many men are willing to date a tranny, right? even if we're talking top .01% passoids, which certainly no one of us falls into
>>43038159you're being overly pessimistic because many trans girls have loving bfs
>>43037595Dating apps suck for both men and women. Being able to vet potential partners on nothing more than their appearance has a bunch of effects that cause it to be trash.
>>43037595True love never existed, commitment is about forming a partnership. Gen Z is practically undatable and many millennials have already settled down. Your only realistic options are divorced Gen X dad's and young boomers in their 60s now. If you can find a single millennial then do everything you can to hold onto them. Gen Z isn't going to grow out of it because that's not what happened in previous generations. There are still worthwhile Gen Z but they're literally 1 in 100k and otherwise you have two unreasonable people that won't ever work out and ate just a bad influence on each other.
>>43038159>how i can meet men organically as a tranny?In America? Hahahahaha.... The system isn't set up for you. Did you forget?
>>43037595I have like 7 ex situationships
>>43038325I'm so jealous I wish I had 7 shit situations and STDs cumming is really worth it
>>43037595it worked out for me and i genuinely think im a dysgenic freak. My bf got me to accept I've had BD since I was a kid, and I will probably go into therapy for it when I can afford ithave been together for like 3.5yish years now. met on the chasergen discord by complete chance when i was 22. so while im a mental mess imo it can work out. you're still young everything is possible
>>43037644>they're being like thisYes, why are fuckbois being fuckbois... hmmm
>>43038432Obviously because they're fuckboys but what were their parents thinking when they raised them that way?
>>43038432We're talking about ppl in general, unless you think all men are fuckbois
>have crazy high standards>get upset when no man can meet them
>>43038441>>43038442It's more like, you're noticing them,which allows them to be fuckboys,since they can get the attention to find a new hole
>>43038449It sounds like you're trying to say all guys are fuckbois. Which is fine, I agree.
>>43038516No, I'm saying you ignored all the non-fuckboys
>>43038448>Have low standards >Zoomer can't even meet that and crashed out
>>43038449You're saying we're at fault for them being fuckboys and commenting on it? Makes total sense
>>43038287nah, in eastern eurocuck
>>43038539If you didn't notice it then nobody would have a problem. Stop causing problems.
>>43038519A true nice guy on the thread, supreme gentleman
>>43038167maybe, but i've never met a single man even willing to date trannies in general, so there are probably some factors against me
>>43038271I really need to find a millennial bf or gf before there all yaken. I'm so desperate for human contact and don't want to date someone three times my age
>>43038448Tbh my standards for a monogamous relationship are>have a job that allows you to lead a semi-independent life (not living with mom and dad as a 21+yo, have a car, etc)>be reasonably healthy; the standard being the ability to go on a 2-3 mile hike with a day pack on>don't have crippling mental health issues; I figured out how to deal with my shitty problems, you should too>don't treat me like a dirty secretThat's pretty much it. It seems like very few of my generation and basically none of the adult zoomer generation can meet these basic expectations. I'm not asking for a square jawed 6'5" Dr. Chad to whisk me away to tradwifedom. I just would want someone who is at least a 4 or 5 with a decent job that I could go out and do things with. So I've given up on monogamous dating. My standards are a very low bar to meet and it seems like a high percentage of men are simply unable to meet the minimum of having a job, be able to walk a couple miles, and treat me like a human being.
>>43037595>appsdogwater, disregard entirely, not worth time at all>friends all in 20smany people don't start settling down until their 30s these daysalso there's a methodological problem with measuring dating/romantic success by modelling it on people currently living, and its twofolda) people in their 20s-40s, or even their 50s, are still lives "in progress" so to speak - their true "success" (if we choose the simple and arbitrary goal of a stable, ongoing, and happy relationship, probably marriage or at least cohabitation) can't be measured until these people's lives near their end. if you know any happy couples now, give it 5, 10, 20 years. i wouldn't start calling results until a relationship persists into senilityb) modern dating and romantic relationships exist in a different social and material landscape - old heuristics and methods might not apply at all, and therefore old data can't be reliably extrapolated from. an example of this is in the divorce rate - when divorce is made easier to access, more divorces tend to happen. chud misogynistic reasoning aside, you can expect that in retrospect, many "stable" marriages actually had one partner (usually the woman) always wanting an out, but not having access to it, and weren't actually that happy. conclusion? old models of relationships might not actually be desirable to emulate, and the methods that produced them might not be worth pursuingyes modern dating is hard i'll admit, but i think if we look at it honestly, this is the side effect of people being less pressured to marry right out of highschool/college, and changing cultural landscapes. people feel less pressure to commit to relationships hard and fast, and as such, hard and fast committed relationships happen less. Maybe "true love" is less common, but if it means i have greater autonomy and agency over my own life, i'll take ittldr - the old world is dying, new world is struggling to be born, now is the time to stop swiping
>>43037595Idk people supposedly want me, but flake constantly. Others tell me I'm insufferable, because I have standards. I have no idea how can you get bf these days
>>43037595>that Pic Kys retardIm 6"6 and incelHeight doesn't matter
I also gave up. Dating as mtf is nothing but a shitshow. Guys always just want a free dominatrix and never commit to anything. At my age bracket pretty much everybody is homophobic and transphobic, so why bother. Nobody wants to be seen with me. Never liked hookups. Do not try anything non-monogamous or you will regret it; trust me. Would even date a transbian for the emotional connection if I could find a good match.
>>43038396I want you to google condoms
>>43037595mid20s repper agp here. somewhat attractive for a man, I hook up with lots of good looking women. Those who want commitment are only the least attractive or interesting to me. Those I am most interested in lose interest the fastest of anyone.I sleep around a lot, had several long term relationships, quietly heartbroken the last yearish because my ex dumped me and is now a lesbian lmaocannot believe in true love under these circumstances. I just fill the void with rapid onset infatuations before getting depressed about them after max a few weeks.
>>43039313That's a sad generalization, don't give up, we're not all like that.
>>43037595my experience dating (hinge) as a passoid is like 80% getting ghosted, 15% guys who have zero interest in commitment, 2.5% undateable weirdos, 2.5% dateable
>>43039483Try Feeld, depending on your city.More disgusting people but also more chillers who get it and are open minded and communicative. Way less normies.
>>43038750>I figured out how to deal with my shitty problems, you should toospoken like a true woman with zero empathy, gz on fully completing your transition
>>43037595Dating apps have been a disaster for the human race, and have devolved into a pointless soul sucking time waste. The problem is they destroyed what came before, and now they've imploded there's nothing. Everyone is lonely, nobody wants to be, but nobody can actually do anything about it.
>>43038448Can host, doesn't stink, isn't just jerking off to my pics. >TOO HIGH!!! TOO HIGH!!! TOO HIGH!!!I'm not even sure how to go lower here. Homeless guys?
>>43037595If you’re a zoomer, you should basically just accept that you will die alone, will never get to retire, and will never own a house.
All the good ones are taken or have given up like you will give up after being blackpilled by reading this thread. Also stop making these threads and stop reading people's opinions on it unless you want to lose any hope you didnt know you still had.
as a passoid i find we are just snack not even a side dish. Men will not commit anything to a sex toy.
>>43039717Lol I have plenty of empathy to give, I just don't spend it on people that have deeper problems than what I can help with. It's not MY job to carry YOUR emotional baggage and I expect any future partner to not expect me to do so either. I only fuck with self actualized adults, not manchildren masquerading as alpha males which use their inability to emotionally regulate as an excuse to harm others.
>>43039422damn i could have wrote all of this except i am a few years older and stopped reppingreal as fuck though
>>43037644Boomers need to die before they piss all their wealth away with cruises, it is insane that younger gens have it much worse economically than boomers did but expectations are higher
>>43039717No one wants to date a bum dude. Especially bot in this fuck ass economy where you need two pay checks to pay rent. Her expectations are pretty reasonable, I expect the same shit out of the women and men I date.
what a depressing threadt. repper
>>43039892aren't zoomers better at dating than millennials
>>43043752NahMillenials are dogshit, but gen z is just on another level of los
>>43043752The women are, the men are completely unfuckable and undatable.
>>43038448the standards: be a decent guy with a working brain who won't troon on meunfortunately a high bar for today's men
>>43038448Literally be an adult and have no serious mental issues is too high standards for modern men kek
>>43043787are you saying that just because you're probably a millenial man
>>43037657>>43038091>>43038159What the guys that openly date, settle and marry trans women looks like? What are their characteristics?
>>43044148>gay>agp/tranny chaser>will faketroon if weak minded enough>incel or lost his virginity to a tranny in his 20s>autistic>crybaby>has mommy issues>porn addiction
>>43044255>autisticIs this supposed to be a red flag?
>>43044401for those who you might call neurotypical, yes
>>43037644Being a fag is as atrocious as being straight?What a time to be alive.
Really wish I could have a meaningful fwb agreement with a mtf with an emphasis on the friend part and treat them as a human not just a hole(thats for RPs in the bedroom), but good luck finding one.
>>43037644The guys would commit if they had some assurance of loyalty to account for the tremendous expenditure in time, effort and money. Alternatively, women could get more used to partnerships of actual equality and pay half of the bills. There also has to be a reasonable expectation of fair treatment under the law rather than people just assuming the man is always the problem.It is objectively a better idea to just withdraw from dating and simply not risk it.
I used to believe trans women were looking to date in the same way cis women are looking to date, but I found out through trial and error that they are usually looking to get paid. The ones who have a soul will just tell you up front what's they're after. The ones without a soul will larp like they're looking for an unpaid relationship and construct scenarios later where you'll want to "help" them out of the goodness of your heart. Damsel in distress, knight in shining armor.
>>43043752Hell no. There wasn't a loneliness epidemic in the 00s and early 2010s. The problem with zoomers is their own creation. Even hating people just a few years older than themselves is a new unnecessary problem they invented. Millennials had no such problems and got on with gen x and themselves.
>>43045988Zoomers owe boomers and genX awkward, uncomfortable sex
>>43045032Im not looking to be paid but yeah i wanna bf who can afford to make me his housewife im too mentally ill to work 40 hours a week without killing myself.
>>43045032This is a weird line of argument I've read on here before. Get a life man this shit don't make no sense. I'm sorry you developed a parasocial relationship with ewhores who tricked you into sending them things or money but most people don't actually use sex to get money. It's true a disproportionate amount of trans women are sex workers but that's due to them having difficulty getting or progressing in traditional jobs
>>43038573Alright, whateverSuffer
>>43037644women destroyed the entire basis for monogamy so why would guys bother committing? enter into risky legal contracts at 30 with women with double digit body counts for literally no reason and give up half your shit if it goes south? you can just fuck women without anyone of the headache. The people that were actually interested in monogamy all got married at 25 and have a young family by 30.
>>43046260sister 3/4 of the trannies on grindr are openly prostitutes looking for johns
>>43037644>THEY AREN'T PAYING FOR ME FUCK MENLmao
I only attract hussies with double digit body counts tried it and got dumped for not being put together in my mid twenties and for being goofy instead of a faceless father figure who plays into their weird MEFI wanted to believe I could build a life for myself with a cutie by my side, but that's only a fantasy I'm afraid
>>43046271People suffer because they don't give you sex? You really are a nice guy
>>43046936No, I'm saying there's more people than you're consideringSo your obstinate nature is causing you pain
>>43046340Because Grindr is a hookup app for gay men
>>43046945I think I will be fine and so will everyone else that avoids you. I'm sure you thought in your head that people would realize what a catch you are, but it doesn't work when dealing with real people. You're just another chud.
>>43037644If they want a FWB they can pay me per hour lol
>>43044255I was seething that your post described me accurately until I realized you're a homophobic, transphobic blanchardist 30+ who is single while I'm dating the woman of my dreams lol. Stay seething, ex-chud: transitoning didn't fix your political brainrot, it seems.There is literally nothing wrong with anything on the list you provided and everyone itt would be happier and easier to date with greater self acceptance of being a gay pervert. Grow up.
>>43046956why are so many transwomen on it then?
>>43046260Sorry if the truth upsets you>>43046956It's the same on "straight" dating apps. I don't have a grinder account. I look for normal people to date, like a normal person. Not furtive bathroom hookups or "car dates" or whatever you people are into
>>43044914>Alternatively, women could get more used to partnerships of actual equality and pay half of the billsThis is what happens in west already
>>43047111no amount of projection is gonna make me wanna date you, cry about it transphobe
what could be done to fix dating? or at least improve it
>>43037605>>43037644The problem is that you are looking foe a good person for long term relationship at the same place you were looking for one night stand and quickies.The problem is not men or women, it's that people now mix sex and love.You don't look for the same things in a one night stand or for your life partner.So don't look at the same place too.
>>43047148That's where all the bisexuals are
>>43048742If it all works out, yeahWomen use dating apps as meal tickets and then whine about how insufficient their date is for their standards after continuing to use him a few times
>>43049974nta but dating apps have a thing where you can say what you're looking for (for example "no ONS"), go ahead and tell me to get a hobby though, for purposes of meeting women, except don't do it for the purpose of meeting a woman, because that's "creepy" (just b urself)
>>43037595i met my bf in a random thread on this board in 2022. we lived on different continents we talked back and forth for over a year and then he came to visit me we live together now
>>43037595six seven!!!!!
>>43051787die
>>43049974>The problem is that you are looking foe a good person for long term relationship at the same place you were looking for one night stand and quickies.Slow down, chill, nobody said I was using Grindr and Scruff to meet people. Regardless of the platform or irl meeting they want something in serious.I forgot that people here were troglodytes that need 8 disclaimers before a statement is made.
>>43054034This board unironically thinks that all dating apps are for anonymous unprotected sex, presumably because that's all they know. When you think about it, it makes sense. Cis people have been meeting and getting married on dating apps for a whole generation now. There are working age adults now whose parents met on apps. But trans people never got the message. No matter how many ways you explain it, no matter how much reality is staring them in the fact with this truth, this will not, cannot register as a truth to them.So they either avoid the apps, or they go on for casual sex, or they go on pretending to be looking for a relationship, while in fact just looking for money. Because in their special little world, "everyone" does it.That's why so many people here are adamant that normal people meet their partners on discord, or at furry cons.
>>43054519Oh and before you "actually iphones only came out in...", okcupid (the app) started as a website in the 2000s.
>>43054519cis people are also leaving dating apps to be fairand most discourse surrounding how bad dating apps are is carried out by cis people
>>43054785"People live in cities" moment
>>43054822what
>>43054857
>>43054857There isn't a coherent thought process here anon don't bother
>>43037595I found my bf on this board. We've been together for almost a year. I dont pass. Dating apps is cancer. Dont waste time on those. Even 4chan is better for dating than tinder lol.
>>43050369if you look at the 2025 stats over 80% of couples met online so it's even higher now
>>43037595Just walk up to them and look em in the eye and give em a firm handshake. And don't take no for an answer! They respect your sticktuitiveness. Helps to get a hobby too.
