She does raise a good point.Changing a subset of phenotypes doesnt change you fundamentally. Plenty of fat dudes have tits and long hair and birthing tummies. Wheres the line?
>am i black now?looks it
She doesn't make a good point. Only black people have black people genes. Every human body however responds appropriately to cross-sex hormones.
>>43039514>transphobe tries to make an elementary point, ends up doing blackfacethe jokes write themselves
>>43039514I think she just wanted to be racist
>>43039514I will never be retarded enough to pass as female fml
>>43039535you being upset = the joke. you are the joke. write yourself
>>43039514>a criminal case has been openedshouldn't they worry about the people in their country getting hacked to pieces by gangs instead of a hot bitch being rude to trannies on TV?
>>43039514>"let me demonstrate how a changable aspect of the body is unchangeable by comparing it with an unchangeable aspect of the body"Hrt and surgeries invalidates this "argument".
>>43039524All humans share 99,9% of genes.Black is just a phenotype and a cultural role
>>43039514who cares. dont be a douche. dollow path of love and go with currents of reality... flow into sea of universal love and everything will be alright
>>43039563You also share genes with a banana. Does that make you a retarded fruit? Well I guess so.
>>43039561You can inject drugs that give you melaneted skin so your point sucks. Perms can give your curly hair
>>43039583But dark skin isn't what a black person is. That's the most stupid, reductive, and actually racist way of thinking about it.
>>43039514Brazilian terfs are cuteDo you guys prefer that terfs are old british cishons or hot brazilian babes?
>>43039594How is it racist? If someone looks black, she would be treated like a black person, correct?
>>43039610Because wanting to be treated like a black person is racist as it implies races should be treated differently from each other.
>>43039610What I mean is that skin color is only a very general indicator about a person's origin, and it can be altered to some degree. So when we're talking about someone's roots, their actual roots, it matters, and it's not just superficial nonsense.But when it comes to the sexes, men aren't from Mars, and women aren't from Venus. Every person of every sex, their body is adaptable and there can be genuine transformation toward the norms of the opposite sex. Even without hrt, simply castrating a male causes a return to the female archetype.
>>43039555Leftists only care about feefees, not real crimeThose people hacking others with machetes cant be held to any standard because only whites can be expected to be responsible for their actions
>>43039535I hate niggers and trannies!!!
>>43039626Won't that same logic apply to gender? >So when we're talking about someone's roots, their actual rootsThere are black swedes and black polish people so that makes no sense.>Every person of every race, their body is adaptable and there can be genuine transformation toward the norms of the different race.
>>43039702>There are black swedes and black polish people so that makes no sense.lol. Let's be clear. There are people of African origin who have Swedish nationality. And probably vice versa, though not as likely. That does not make them equivalent to one another.
>>43039729Yes it does. They are as swedes as any swede
>>43039741No.
>>43039610You'd look more like a tanned whitie, basically the equivalent of a roided boomerhon
>>43039787Peopel can get plastic surgery to give them more ethnic features
>>43039741A white south african is not seen the same as any other african because everyone knows theres an difference in history. Same as a black englishman The idea that anyone born in a region is a native to that region is a farce pushed by the mass migration crowd. A farce they themselves dont believe when comparing white Americans to native Americans, despite, according to their rules, them being identical
>>43039796Gee and I wonder why they can't pass those traits down to their children.
>>43039555>hotYou are chink blind>>43039583>Perms can give your curly hairWon't give you coily hair and it dissapears the second you get your hair wet. Why can't you make any argument that doesn't equate you to a brainbroken sissy crossdresser?
>>43039796What ethnic features? There's like 100 diff black ethnicities, all differently looking. This is usually why we determine blacks by hair and skin (undertone included
>>43039514>Plenty of fat dudes have tits and long hair and birthing tummies.Will you show them?Also>phenotype=paint
>>43039514these retards dont realize trannies know they arent bio women and hrt and surgeries are for coping. they wouldnt understand because they dont have dysphoria
>>43039514OK but how does that justify being mean to transcuties?
>>43039514I bet this evil cunt was desperate to be racist publically
>>43039514After that she said, “this one’s just for fun” and then pulled back the corners of her eyes, made a bucktoothed grin and said, “ohhh herro round eye, you rike some flied lice with your dumprings???”
>>43039815she does have a kimi onoda type of thing going on in the op pic but i don't think she's actually asian in any capacityregardless she's sexy and clearly a little crazy to be doing blackface in 2k26 would fug and love>>43040108kek
>>43040020wow this place is really just reddit lite
>>43040198yeah
>>43039524So trans women are men (adult human males) who emulate the opposite sex via medical intervention.
If someone turns their skin with browser to the point of looking, black gets lip injections, he gets a nose job to make their nose bigger, get a perm, so their hair is curly, and they start speaking Ebonics if they were to pass as black and socially live as black then how is that any different from a trans woman being a man living life as a woman. Especially since in Wouk circles, they deny race saying race isn’t real.
bait butrace is literally just an indicator of your genetic heritage. there's cultural shit that comes with it most of the time, but it's largely something that is, literally, skin-deep (without going into specific genetic conditions across races). your brain isn't wired to feel any particular way about racial identity outside of maybe inherent human tribalistic tendencies, but beyond that racial identities are entirely social.your body and brain however are wired to be one sex or another. trans people have the hellish experience of having a brain that is wired to operate for a body sex that is the opposite of which it is naturally developing. as much as i hate this phrasing, at it's basest level it is, for mtfs, "a woman trapped in a man's body" and vice versa for ftms. non-binary folk are weird and i won't be talking about them since i'm not non-binary and don't really care about how they experience gender.having a female-structured brain that is condemned to a male body is hell. the female brain tells you to adhere to female social norms to maximize your perceived worth and find a mate, it demands you get pregnant, have children, and be a mother. it is constantly asking you to do those things, and you just fucking can't. no matter how hard you try, you just cant. and those feelings will never go away. your brain will never rewire to want to father children, because that's not what you are instinctively being driven to do. it wants you to have sex with your vagina that you don't have because that's how you make babies.it's hell. the best that modern medical science can do is take crossex hormones, get bottom surgery, and at least temper the part of your brain that wants to adhere to female social norms and sexual roles. those changes can dramatically soothe the parts of your brain that wants those things because it convinces you that it's possible, or at least feels possible, and allows you to feel like a woman socially.
>>43039524Yeah and every human body responds to cancer cells
>>43040459Yes. 100% of us suffer the potential of developing cancer, just like 100% of us are capable of growing boobs. Your point?
>>43039514>criminally chargedlmfao what a shithole
>>43039514if rachel dolezal can't be a black woman despite "passing" as one for years, then your entire ideology falls apart
>>43040498Race is social construct Gender is a social construct Trans racial is the next step
>>43040498Wrong. They're completely different things.
>>43040516Race is real and unmalleable. Sex is real but malleable. Now, whether you think the changes are meaningful and sufficient enough to recategorize someone legally, that's the ONLY place where there's a debate to be had.
>>43040212>biological sex is le chromosomesSo biological males can get pregnant and 90% of people don't know their sex?
>>43040547>>43040570Cope this hard because your trans ideology is bullshit
>>43039842>>43039831>>43039815Why did baittards never engage with these? Curious>>43040498>mixed foid cant be blackOnly retarded niggers would say this
>>43040576>doesnt make an argument>seethesI was right then
>>43039603I prefer them to be quiet and keep their opinions to themselves Literally not hurting anyone. If they're worried about perverts preying on women, then we have something in common, predators get the wood chipper. I am merely existing and not hurting anyone. I am not like those creeps they're worried about and the difference between us is very obvious. Only a retard would group us together
>>43040516race is a social construct and only a social construct. race is largely a response to environmental differences. you aren't hard-wired to feel like a certain race in your brain.gender is a social construct, sex is biological, brain-body sex mismatch is also biological. if we don't want to propagate the tranny gene (assuming there is a genetic component) or we want the people living with that mismatch to not kill themselves and maximize their ability to be productive members of society, it is in societies best interest to accept and assist those people with transitioning. because gender is a social construct, we can socially agree to let trannies participate in society as members of their brainsex.
>>43039514The thing is every single argument that is made for the validity of transgender identity could also be applied to trans racial identity. It's the uncomfortable reality that trannies don't want to confront.
>>43039796people are mongrelized af. then selectionbafter admixture. read about ancient north eurasians. look up frequencies ofbderived edar allele in mesolithic samples.hunnic skulls were found as far west as france. even one catlick jap moved to spain and had kids there. surrname Japon. whatever. in all "white" coyntries before modeern migration era like 20% of people looked "ethnic". look up craniometric clusters. study on viking skulls had some of them classified as nincaucasoid. nongoloid and australoid features are quite common in north. east too. southernbeurosbless so but similar to mullattos or native americans types are quite common too. look at picrel. they look rather european featurewise.
>>43039575Well then what makes transgender people valid and trans racial not?
>>43040692They police your speech and thoughts and screech hate crime if you don’t adhere to their bullshit. Or they kill themselves
>>43039594Almost like long hair and flouncy dresses isn't what being a woman is and it's a stupid, reductive, and actually misogynist way of thinking about it.
>>43039745So then trans women are not as woman as any woman?
>>43040424 #>having a female-structured brain that is condemned to a male body is hell. the female brain tells you to adhere to female social norms to maximize your perceived worth and find a mate, it demands you get pregnant, have children, and be a mother.>all you can do is take crossex hormones, get bottom surgery, and at least temper the part of your brain that wants to adhere to female social norms and sexual roles.>those changes can dramatically soothe the parts of your brain that wants those things because it convinces you that it's possible, or at least feels possible, and allows you to feel like a woman socially.lol do you think cis people are going to care? This is all 100% true if you’re trutrans but do you know how insane and fucked this sounds to cis people? I believe it because I’ve LIVED it since childhood, but I can tell you that 80% of cis people would push the trolley lever in a second if it meant they didn’t have to think about this or deal with us ever again. From the outside it just seems like talking about a braindead patient. It’s the he kind of thing that gets normal people on board with eugenics.>oh look, there’s a tranny gene>ohh those poor souls, wanting something that can never be, constantly suffering>just put them out of their miseryI am doomposting and I hope to gos I’m wrong but honestly tucutes and agp fetishists ruined everything. We used to fly under the radar because most of us were stealt. People didn’t have to think about this and if they did, they pitied us and moved on with their lives. But now it’s a global discussion on the nature of sex, sexuality, social roles, and the majority of people just see us as weird buffalo bill skinwalkers and would love to see our rights stripped away, and will not care how many of us are trutrans, lol. This never should have become a public issue, but Reddit and discord mods couldn’t help but try to groom a generation of femboys and theybies
>>43040682can you tell me what you think the most convincing transgender arguments are and how they are also applicable to trans-racial identity? curious as to what you're imagining when you say that.
>>43040682Except that's not the case at all.>>43040692Your body has receptors for both sex hormones and knows what to do with them. You are not in any way a different race from what you are, and you could only maybe fake it superficially. Castration and hormone therapy are not superficial changes. They change the way your body operates.
>>43040682>ignores the entire threadMan, I wish i could be this retarded
>>43040682"valid" too. whatever. live and let live. sheesh
>>43040701Trans women are not mere crossdressers.
>>43040724That gender is a fluid and adaptable social construct that may not reflect the biological facts of the body someone was born into. If that's true about gender, why not race?
>>43040752To the majority of the world they are. Man = adult human male, thats literally what a trans woman is
>>43040752How is it different than blackface?
It seems communication is impossible, because cis people think transition is basically just putting on a hat.
>>43039514> am i black nowNo. She forgot to do the lips.
>>43040729>are not in any way a different race from what you are, and you could only maybe fake it superficially.Kind of like biological sex? If anything, trans racial people are closer genetically to their internal identity than transgender people. Race isn't a biological process that requires lifelong medical intervention to change.
>>43040729People can change the levels of melanin in their skin by literally standing out in the sun. No needles or medication required.
>>43040722honestly for me i've never found the "i feel like a woman" argument to be particularly convincing because it sounds like something you can fix. i want to believe that most cis people are empathetic (regardless of what this board will try to make you think). I try to present an argument of validity to cis women that allows them to feel like it could happen to them. if you tell them that all the biological imperatives that they experience could exist but trapped within a male body that can never experience them it invokes a body horror that is hard to ignore.honestly, i don't use the words gender dysphoria as much as i can because it's too ephemeral and too much about me and my feelings. i try to talk about it like it is a condition, one of having a brainsex that differs from your physical sex, and therefore no amount of therapy can change the physical structures of your brain.
>>43040570Medical edge cases don't change the fact that humans are a sexually dimorphic species.
The tourists really, really do not get it. I'm not sure they could, unless you were to torture them by putting them through transition. Castrate a man and ask him how much of a man he feels like. Give a woman testosterone injections and after a year ask her how much of a woman she feels like. But obviously we wouldn't do that, and because they don't suffer incongruence they can't empathize. They equate trannies with crossdressers, again thinking these are superficial changes, no different from makeup, or doing blackface. When we obviously know that fixing animals changes their behavior, because hormones are extremely impactful to the way our bodies and minds operate. But no, it's just clothes and stereotypes haha.
>>43040525>Race is real and unmalleable. Sex is real but malleableWhat is unmalleable about race?
>>43040844>if you tell them that all the biological imperatives that they experience could exist but trapped within a male body that can never experience them it invokes a body horror that is hard to ignore.What are these unique woman biological imperatives?
>>43040857>What is unmalleable about race?The fact that you can't change your genes, short of a science-fantasy, and even if you could the majority of your development has already occurred so little would change anyway.
>>43040857There's no hormone cocktail that turns you White.
>>43040846>vaguepoststhat's not an argument, anon. Most of the dimorphism you're yapping about either overlaps (non-sexual features) or can be changed. You still don't say why we should use a definition of sex that leaves 90% of people as Schródinger's males>>43040784>>43040775>If i project other people's views on you, I win!>>43040807>trans racial people are closer genetically to their internal identity than transgender peopleYou do realize all it takes is removal of one otherwise useless gene for ovaries to morph into testes? Can you do that with ethnicity?
>>43040498This. That dumb bitches successfully transitioned to black and everyone bought it. And even if people "clocked" her, they were just polite and played along to not confront her delusion. She had an internal longing to be black, and she achieved it.
>>43040692Trans racials are valid because race isnt real. Both mutts and intersex are physical demonstrable proofs people socially group the two identities more than genetics actually define them. Some will say those are mutants or exceptions to the rule, but they exist as extremes of the argument to prove nuance in the centers.
>>43039514Yes, the moral inversion of our time is something to behold. Transgenderism needs to end, it's disgusting at every conceivable level.
>>43040913>race isnt realOkay but let's stop being lefty retards for a hot minute.
>>43040863follow the chain of replies anon, the answer awaits you there. i'm not declaring that the feelings are particularly strong among every single cis woman, just that it is a general experience even amongst anecdotal disagreements.
>>43040872What about people who successfully bleach their skin? What about black people with albinism? These epigenetic features are absolutely malleable. Plus, race isn't actually a genetic category, it's a social one, just like gender. There is no group of "black genes" or "white genes". It was all decided by Europeans in the 1700s with primitive science.
>>43040877>You do realize all it takes is removal of one otherwise useless gene for ovaries to morph into testes? Can you do that with ethnicity?It takes less to change ethnicity! Ethnicity isn't a genetic category, it's entirely social.
>race isn’t real >entire population of Latinos are racial mutts >biracial blacks/whites aren’t compatible with their regular black/white counterparts >pure Asians exist, pure blacks exist. Race is real how do people deny it
>>43040945Albinos are not white people. Please shut up and stop being dumb.
>>43040913Correct answer.
>>43040863Pillow fights, programmer socks, being so ditsy and like omg just girl things like gooning 24/7
>>43040969Okay so if skin colour doesn't define race then what does?
>>43040988I already told you to stop being dumb, anon. That was not a request to double down.
>>43040960>Ethnicity isn't a genetic category, it's entirely socialnigger whatethnicity literally describes the place where your ancestors were, all it is is genes"Race" and "nationality" might be social as it's basically a melting pot of whatever fits + cultural upbringing but ethnicity describes who your parents, their parents, their grandparents, etc were
>>43041007Sounds like you do to have an answer.
>>43041017So ethnicity is a genetic category and race is a social one? Kind of like sex and gender?
>>43040988honestly with this one is basically a consensus truth, a dalit indian will be called a nigger by southern hickswhatever a specific society determines as black, will in that particular society be black
>>43041017if you watched the movie sinners, they have a great example of this. there is a woman there who is 1/4 black but is extremely white-passing. she is welcomed as black socially due to her ancestry, however culturally she is white. she isn't trans-racial for identifying with being black. it's all an ancestry/lineage thing when it comes to ethnicity. you're locked into whatever racial history you've got at birth, and no amount of changing your skin color can change the racial makeup of your ancestors, and additionally you will never experience true racial dysphoria because your brain isn't wired to be any particular race.
>>43041065And yet their dot wont move here regardless of what someone calls them
>>43041065Kinda like the social consensus required to pass in a gender role?
>>43040752not that different. crossdressers crossdreamers crosscipers... degree ofbselfbawareness and effirt. dissociation&numbness vs acute alive dysphoria. been there done that. crossdressers are nearly extinct species now.
>>43041051Well yeah, I'd agree, considering ethnicity is usually not determined by genetics but by phenotype induced by themsex is changeable thou
>>43040924Whites and Blacks didnt even exist at one point and it be weirder to think they always will exist. Hominids did, then they matted and interspecies new groupings happened, then they drifted and then mixed again. Over and over. At some point language groupings and religious groupings became what we would call race. Then those either grew, died, expanded, mixed, changed, etc and what we would call nationality today became race. Then again same phenom through the last 1000 years and today we are trying to define a persons genetic history as race.
>>43041095well yeah that's ethnicity anon, not race >>43041017>>43041123That would be true, if we didn't have males and females in every existing longer-term society. There are demands for secondary/primary sexual characteristics that either outright visible, or through clothing, will determine your gender. When somebody is mixed, it relies on whether you hide them or not, but more often than not you will be shunned/ostracized from the society altogether for not fitting in the reproductive order
>>43041157Why is one phenotypical expression changeable but the other isn't?
>>43041241because one, on the basis of being related to reproduction aka core life function, has many pathways/"failsafes" to easily change its determining characteristics (aka hormones, homologous structuring of genitalia, genetic expression, etc itp)As ethnicity is something defined by humans and not particularly innate past being a part of biodiversity within the human species, it doesn't have similar pathways planned, and changing it is functionally pointless past social reasons (you might ask here what about dysphoria could be not social, and past the island argument [which I do believe that a solitary dysphoric would take hormones, as sex is a part of your brain wiring], changing sexual characteristics will give you physiological not purely cosmetic changes, like lactation, difference in neutral mood, change of lean/fat mass impacting strength, gait and all that, difference in libido, sensitive areas of the body itp etc)
>>43041065So then it's a social role, not a genetic one?
>>43041095Have you tried zooming out though? Like do you know what the x and y axis represent? They show statistical variation. More or less what that means is with in a very small percent of human genetics, people that live near each other are more likely to share more genetics.
>>43041315race yes, ethnicity no >>43041017
>>43039522Actually this is a good point. Racial testing on brazilians show most have black ancestry and it's a racially mixed society. In the US this person would absolutely be viewed as black as probably >25% black
>>43041321So if race and gender are both social roles, why is transition valid for one but not the other?
>>43041304So gender dysphoria is valid but racial dysphoria isn't? Despite them both being socially constructed categories that are not defined by genetics?
>>43041387There's no "Race Differentiation Process" that happens in the womb for things to go wrong, dipshit.
>>43041370>>43041387They're both valid and real dummy. The issue is the person blackfacing is equal to cisgender crossdressing which is still not the same as transgender.
>>43041408So only medical trutrans are valid? People who just psychologically want to transition without dysphoria aren't really trans because there's no underlying medical issue?
>>43041420>The issue is the person blackfacing is equal to cisgender crossdressing which is still not the same as transgender.How is it different?
>>43039514>if I change my skin color and people perceive me as black does that make me black?Yes
>>43041435> People who just psychologically want to transitionWtf does that mean?
>>43039514>would you eat shit if it tasted like chocolate, smelled like chocolate, had the nutritional value of chocolateYes. It’s literally just chocolate at that point
>>43041447In context of transgenderism, one wants to be the opposite sex and does not want to be the one they were born as, while the other is wearing a costume temporarily to mock or have fun.
>>43041435nta but essentially yes. it's in the trans communities best interest to not gatekeep for the sake of both more allies on the team so to speak and for demand to be high enough to justify a lot of options for gender affirming care and research, but at the core of it the only people that are actually truly valid trans people are ones that experience sex dysphoria due to brainsex mismatch. some people don't really experience as strong of a instinctual drive from their brainsex as others which is probably where non-binary people come in, but they don't matter unless they are actually trying to transition medically in some capacity. accepting them but finding a way to differentiate them from medically transitioning trans people is probably the best path forward at this point.
>>43041475So what about someone like Rachel Dolezal who wants to be black and successfully passed for black for years? Was she just cross dressing for mockery or does she genuinely want to be a different race than the one she was born as?
>>43040844As >>43040863 is probably trying to point out, I’m pretty sure a lot of cis women get the ick when they hear “I have the same instinctual urges as you” Many women view “woman want make baby” as an extremely offensive and sexist remark. They might not say it out loud but I’ve been in this conversation many times as a stealthoid and always feel a vibe shift or get gentle pushback. Then I have to backpeddle and make a bunch of examples of other instincts we all have but hate having, like sex drive, comp-het, eating certain foods, baby fever/cute aggression, etc and even then I get side-eye. It’s an unfortunate side effect of the liberation brought by feminism. To bring up instinctual urges to bear children sounds like a threat to them, a way to stick them back in the cage, and I fucking get it. But if they can argue that the urge doesn’t exist (even though you can hear them allude to it among themselves especially via baby-fever/ovulation urges) then they get to assert their total independence and freedom. It’s fucking exhausting. Part of me thinks that at the end of the day, it’s not about trying to avoid being put in a box; they just full-stop believe that only cis women can experience that biological instinct, and no matter what they say to us, they secretly smugly believe we’re full of shit and pat themselves on the back for making the tranny feel better, and thank god that they will never have to prove you wrong because they don’t have to; they have the biology and you don’t.
>>43041387>>43041370>this much effort for my entire comment to be ignoredsigh, i should've known
>>43041498So just wanting to be a different gender doesn't make one trans?
>>43041435they aren't "trutrans" but externally (emphasis on externally) , there's not much distinguishing them from a typical transsexuala "hrt srs ffs girlmoding femboy" is functionally a tranny, and a female at that, just a female with he/him pronouns
>>43039702Because transitioning is not only about social norms, its about bodily autonomy and neurological congruence. It's nice if I'm treated as a woman but I did not transition to be treated as a woman.
>>43041502I mean i dont know her personally, so you would have to ask her and judge for yourself. My preliminary judgement is superficial, however on surface she seems valid and experienced public shame and prejudice by being herself. However im open to evidence she was a con artist trying to grift or something by being in blackface costume rather than actually transracial. Whats your thoughts?
>>43041435>People who just psychologically want to transition without dysphoriaalso nta that's simply cope
>>43041556Same. In fact sometimes being treated like a man is nice but holy shit my body has made me suicidal since I was 12.
>>43041518>make a bunch of examples of other instincts we all have but hate having, like sex drive, comp-het, eating certain foods, baby fever/cute aggression, etc and even then I get side-eye.You are getting the side eye because not every cis woman experiences these urges.>To bring up instinctual urges to bear children sounds like a threat to themNo it sounds like someone who doesn't know what they're taking about
>>43041594Yeah, I legitimately did not feel a hope in the future as a man, even a successful man. Even if I'm a manmoding in between freak, there is now a potential for happiness I could never have as a man.
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>>43041559My belief if transgender identities are valid then trans racial identities must be too. I don't grasp how one is "valid" and not the other.
>>43041518am nona that wrote about bio imperatives and yeah that's also something to consider.i've just always considered the most convincing arguments to be the ones that force women to relate to you as a tranny rather than trying to relate to them as a cis woman. if you can make them think "oh god i would hate if that were me" then you've succeeded in arguing it.im just trying to find a way to reframe the arguments away from "I'm upset that i'm never going to be a woman" and more towards "I'm upset my body has betrayed me like this"you want cis women to literally view you as a woman trapped in a male body. basically trying to get them to see you as a female mind and othering yourself from your body to some extent. you literally want them to have the same sense walking away from the conversation as they'd get watching a body horror film in which you are the victim (because that is exactly what this fucking is)
>>43041556>its about bodily autonomy and neurological congruence.Can a trans racial person not also experience this? Should they not have autonomy over their body?
>>43040459But nona, some human bodies literally dont respond to cancer cells. Its what it is called to have cancer and usually die from it. Nearly everyone produces cancer cells from time to time. The bodies that do respond to cancer cells, do so by eliminating them naturally. Which is why many argue cancer is an immune system issue.
>>43041672why waste my time on my arguments if nobody will read them :(
>>43041726its the same person basically chatbotting the conversation in circles and failing to maintain context of more than one comment at a time. they are either genuinely retarded or just very successfully baiting out long-winded replies.
>>43039514please keep making retarded bait posts it makes me feel really smart when you post the stupidest shit ive ever seen in my life and go "she does raise a good point". we need to make a different category of human for people like you. you are below me
>>43041672Same. They are both valid. Im not arguing against it, nor see the issue with it. Theres obviously differences, but as far as real and not real, i believe both are real. Some differences though, is transgenderism is older than race and likely will out live race, as racial groupings are a modern concept, but in general social groupings are learned and therefore any socially definable group can have blurred edges. .
>>43041726If I'm understanding your response correctly the difference is that one is a medical condition and the other is just vibes.
>>43039815>it dissapears the second you get your hair wetwhat kind of fuckass perm has your stylist been giving youyou shouldnt wash the first two days but after that it doesnt just magically become undone the microinstant water touches your hair
What she did was more like what a sissy crossdresser does. A crude stereotype, an ill fitting costume someone wears as a means to an end.
>>43041745>smart>angry at his computerPick one
>>43041795So what about someone like Rachel Dolezal or trans racial people on social media? Are they just doing mockery and race drag?
>>43041694The entire differences between races are melanin, facial structures and ancestry. People change their melanin and facial structures for extra beauty all the time, you can't change your ancestry, so being "transracial" is just not feeling pretty, which isn't nearly equivalent to gender dysphoria. They can do whatever they want but it's not "the same bro" as being trans.
>>43041837Well you can't change your birth sex, but trans people still get all sorts of cosmetic procedures "to feel pretty".
>>43041852Birth sex is what your born with, you can change everything else besides reproduction (and many cis women dont have that). I can change my breasts, skin, hair, face and fat redistribution just from hormones and the rest can be fixed with surgery. It's also not about being pretty as objectively I would make for a more attractive male but I want to be a woman and not a man.
>>43041694Think it makes less sense for someone's brain to partially develop as the other race and we generally call them mixed anyway
>>43041911Is there "brain race" the same way there is "brain sex"?
>>43041837>thinks the differences between races are limited to physical featuresBlacks don’t recognize themselves in the mirror till they are 6
>>43041536it shouldn't, but liberal and leftist cultures are retarded and will with hunt you if you don't believe that everyone is always 100% valid.
>>43041332>A recent 2019 systematic review of 51 autosomal genetic studies, comprehending 81 populations of 19 states from five regions of Brazil has found the following values for the total mean genetic ancestry of the Brazilian population: 68.1% European, 19.6% African, and 11.6% Native American.>A new autosomal study from 2011, also led by Sérgio Pena, but with nearly 1000 samples this time, from all over the country, shows that in most Brazilian regions most Brazilians "whites" are less than 10% African in ancestry, and it also shows that the "pardos" are predominantly European in ancestry, the European ancestry being therefore the main component in the Brazilian population, in spite of a very high degree of African ancestry and significant Native American contribution.>We analyzed participant genomic variant data to characterize population structure and genetic ancestry for the All of Us cohort (n=297,549). There is substantial population structure in the cohort, with clusters of closely related participants interspersed among less related individuals. Participants show diverse genetic ancestry, with major contributions from European (66.4%), African (19.5%), Asian (7.6%), and American (6.3%) continental ancestry components.>Most individuals who have less than 28% African ancestry identify as European American, rather than as African American.
>>43041761not quite>>43041304one is a more "innate" part of the species, basically
>>43041624True, not all women experience these urges, I always qualify it with “some” or “many”. But many humans do experience instinct and mine happens to be to mate with men. I hate it. I barely like men. But it is what it is and this framework is the closest way I can express it to other people. Mostly I just keep it to myself because nothing invalidates you faster than sperging out over this shit. I only made the mistake a few times; it’s almost always taken in bad-faith.>>43041689This is a good point. I’ve lived with this since I was 13. Back then it felt like there was possibility and that I might have a husband someday; or even that science might progress to advance biomedical possibilities or even that if I prayed hard enough god would pity me. But the longer I live life and reality sets in, the more it does just feel like body horror. I’m done trying to relate to cis women. At the end of the day there is something broken inside me that wants to mate with a strong men and it never goes away, and no amount of gay buttsex fixes that, it just makes it worse. I just want to take my hormones and never speak about it again desu. It’s just that we’re probably gonna get our HRT outlawed and I don’t want to go back to living publicly as a man. I pass somehow now but it’s tenuous, my face is just pliable enough to look male some days and I hate it. If I weren’t against suicide I would have been gone a long time ago.
>>43039514this is the most bizarre shit i've read today
>>43042065yeah its fucking awful. i hate that i cannot have children. i hate my best option to alleviate the pain is to make my body as convincingly female to myself as is possible. i hate that i cannot grow a child inside me, be a bio mom, experience motherhood of a child that is literally an aspect of myself. i hate that i'll never know peace because my existence is a political talking point and likely will remain one for the rest of my life. i hate that womanhood is something i have to fucking artificially induce via surgery and hormones to make life tolerable. i hate that, even with having a relatively successful transition all things considered, i will never carry a child to term with a partner that i love and trust who will be a father to them.im a passing post-srs tran with a cism bf. the closest i get to feeling whole is when my boyfriend and i joke about knocking me up after or during sex. every time we do i play along as much as i can, and while the larp soothes some of the pain i feel there is always a deep saddness in the background that he never sees because i know it's something i'll never have.i hate this.
>>43039563and that 0.1% causes most of human genomic diversity
>>43041810I mean I am not someone who experiences racism so I wouldn't want to presume. When I think of my own transness, I can say that regardless of anything else I live as a woman - people see me as such and my life experiences are that of a woman. I know what it means to be one because I live it. I can think of situations where I can sort of see how someone might have a similar relationship to race but I'm not really sure its exactly the same thing and the impression I get is that the people who shout about it, are generally doing so for grifting reasons. The people I know who are for example white but maybe brought up by black parents in a black neighbourhood wouldn't call themselves transracial but I can see how for them race might be a complex thing to navigate.
>>43042230>joking with bf and trying to play alongI wish you peace, Nona. With all my heart. God be with you and your bf, watch over you, and bring you light and love. I feel you.
>>43039514>brazilian terfThey going to flip out again and come crawling back when the far right turn on them again after they get their wish on trannies?
why are brazilian terfs all cute and american and bong terfs ugly witches?
>>43039514>A criminal case has been opened
>>43039514She's literally from the party that wants to ban abortion for rape victims who are children, but "yes", she "cares" a lot about what a "real woman" is.
>>43039524I'm black and I think you can change your race the same way you can change your sex i.e the outward expression. The reason why it's denied is because race is highly politicized. Which is ironically why TERFs exist. They see the female existence as politicized. People passing themselves off as a different race is not even a recent thing. it was called "Going Native". Famous instances were Mata Hari, Lawrence of Arabia and this Canadian guy who passed himself off as an eskimo or something, forgot his name.
>>43043618In thirdie countries the only women that are allowed to speak are the ones who sucked their way to the top. Being taken seriously because you're some ugly cat lady who wrote some academic books is not a thing there.
I'd unironically accept Eminem, Bill Clinton etc as Black. I've met "real" black people with lighter skin to be honest. This is a hot take because acknowledging any performative aspect to race is now taboo.
Anyone in a western country is white. Anyone in asia is Asian. Anyone else is black. Its not hard. Take a black American and put them in africa and watch the Africans not recognize then as their own
>>43043778Joe Biden is black
>>43043699I don’t feel bad at all for the rubes who fell for this shit. Absolutely deserved.
>>43039514Trans racial is valid same as transgender but trans age is wrong and fake
>>43043943Did he vote for himself?
>>43043800Because black Americans are mutts not pure black.
>>43041332she looks indigenous
>>43044178>indigenousLike the Irish? The Jews? The people of Basque Country? Wdym indigenous
>>43044226lol
>>43043959It's well-deserved, but I just think children don't deserve to go through such a traumatic event because of the stupidity and prejudice of some people. But that's life; you spit upwards and the saliva comes back to you. The so-called "feminists" should understand that they are allying themselves with the PL, PP, Republicanos, Novo, PSD, MDB, etc., and so many others who have never been known for being feminists, and are even against any feminist agenda in the Senate and Congress.But honestly, well-deserved. There are people who think that if they support the suffering of a group, they will never be affected for some strange reason. It's good that they fight amongst themselves; let them feel the despair.
>>43044226Got em
>>43039514if she goes and lives in society as a black person then yeah sure she's black but putting it on then taking it off while telling everybody this is a skit is just the equivalent of drag
>>43039918Except that plenty of trannies do actually believe they're bio women
>>43044469Thats called being crazy. Plenty of trans women acknowledge their biological sex and understand HRT and surgeries dont change their sex.
>>43044512define "biological sex"
>>43044530Bruh stop being purposely stupid
>>43044603so when you say biological sex you mean chromosomes? are you then aware when trans women say they're biologically female they don't mean they're xx?
>>43039514the line is the clean cut i make across her neck when im sawing her head off with a hacksaw.
idk why people started seeing the very normal process of finding out what people believe as some kind of devious trick where you pretend to be dumb, are we supposed to make assumption that will inevitably wrong then talk past each other? are you that sure that other people all share your ideas on what things are and how they work?or perhaps keeping things vague allows you to motte and bailey...
>>43043724Yeah its rly taboo but ppl do this all the time……Also maybe im wrong but i thot “passing” came from AAVE originally, for passing as white
>>43044635So they’re crazy, got it
>>43044671your idea of sex is simplistic, sex can be modelled that simply in which case you get a lot of outliers, and it can be modelled in more detail, in which you get less outliers but it becomes harder to use quicklythe thing to note is that models aren't reality in either case
>>43044737>not realityEverywhere you go in the world men and women are separated by their sex. Gee I wonder why that is and why it’s always been this way
>>43044756>Everywhere you go in the world men and women are separated by their sexby which you mean chromosomes? because that's not true>it’s always been this wayno
>>43044778lol girl bye Name one civilization where people aren’t majority cis
>>43044851non sequitur
>>43044851I don't think most people get karyotyped so your sex is generally just something that is "close enough"
>>43044670It's not taboo when it's hispanics or black/mixed people trying to look whiteIt's even fairly common for some maga hispanics these days
>>43044993Hispanic mean from Spain and the Spanish are white. Latinos are racially mutts but can look white depending on how much European blood they have. Thats why you’ll see white Latinos and then indigenous brown ones in the same nations. Afro Latinos come from slavery
>>43039524>cross-sex hormones.No such thing, men and women produce testosterone and estrogen though at different rates.
>>43045366Correct. Black women have the highest testosterone out of any other race of females
>>43040178>but i don't think she's actually asian in any capacityMaybe she's Indigenous, Amerindians are genetically East Asians.
>>43044851You had to be a fan of that ugly bitch, gag.
>>43039514bcus gender and sex is developmental whereas race is just determined by who ur parents are.
>>43045435Gender ≠ sex
>>43045257No I mean a mestiza with bleached hair and skin, not a white latina
>>43044655this is disgusting and moided
>>43045445like yeah? they’re intertwined tho ig
>>43040846humans being a sexually dimorphic species doesn't change the fact that medical edge cases exist
>>43039514Nobody doing blackface actually lives as black for any moment of time. I'll live as a woman (and be stuck with a female body) for the rest of my life. I can never get my penis back even if I wanted to. I could never remove my breasts without having FtM tier scars as a teadeoff.Dumb AF post btw OP.
>>43040570What is a "biological male" and why does that matter?
>>43040722>the female brain tells you to adhere to female social norms to maximize your perceived worth and find a mate, it demands you get pregnant, have children, and be a mother.Never felt any of that. Thats some agp fantasy. Women don't yearn for female social roles lol, they are just pushed on us
It’s physically impossible for anyone born with a penis to ever be anything other than a man, regardless of medical edge cases or future changes to that penis
>>43043699>>43044317Thank you for being a real one.
>>43048398>It’s physically impossible for anyone born with a penis to ever be anything other than a manMen don't have a vagina, but I do
>>43039514words are all social constructs anyway>if your child said they identify as a wolf now would you support them?if they took drugs and had surgeries to the point where the average bystander perceives them as a wolf then yes
>>43050627This is lunacy
You can actually take hormones to get dark skin, so it would just be like HRT. She's right.
>>43045856According to your definitions? You're asking me?
>>43050862Yes? By your definition you dingus
>>43052333'non, just read upwards the thread. It's literally linked in the post you were replying to.
