Is there any real argument against this?
If brain scans proved anything they would be used to diagnose dysphoria instead of patient clinical self report alone. Trans women are men. Trans men are women. Most intersex people don't transition.
>>43044396still taking my HRT
>>43044457You could have just said 'no'
>>43044457please stop taking hrt
>>43044396No why would there be. Not that it invalidates transfolk's experiences.
>>43044437Men are menWomen are women Gay bottoms are women (proof)
>>43044396need them to separate the straight and lesbian tranners tooalso like this supports trans people being a real group with a real physiological difference to the norm so idk what argument is needed, the self perception and body ownership brain stuff seems pretty important no?still would be interested to see how straight trans women that aren't degenerate gooners compare with gay men
>>43044504it doesn't but going down the line it would be easier to find a way to fix your brain from feeling dysphoria rather than to go through the whole process of rearranging your entire body to fit your dysphoric thoughts
>>43044457same. it doesnt matter
>>43044499religious nutjob
>>43044396Further proof that being trans is a mental disorder where the treatment is to submit to the delusion
>>43044533i think everyone who believes in god should be murderedtry again
>>43044521Rearranging the brain isn't something that's possible with current medical science. Besides why should trans people be fixed instead of living out their desires?
>>43044537Cant I get them to just zap that part of the brain a bit to fry it?
>>43044521do you have any idea how hard that would be, to change your brain? your brain is far far more complicated than the rest of your body combined, and we know way more about how to change your body than your brain, if we could take a pill to not be trans I'd do it immediately, we just can't and it's not likely we'll be able to do anything with our brains to cure us for like maybe a thousand years
>>43044543tsmt
>>43044537physiological in the brain rather than mental
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>>43044396Now try again with only trutrans
>>43044396reading the abstract more carefully, this is deceptively worded to downplay how pro-trans the result actually is>previously reported sex differences in FA were reproduced in cis-heterosexual groups, but were not found among the cis-homosexual groups>after controlling for sexual orientation>yes we've just told you that the previous models of sex differences break down with homosexuals and we couldn't establish a new model for them, that's fine, don't worry, we "controlled" for it>the transgender groups showed sex-typical FA-values>except for the area of the brain where they didn't lolthis summary of the results in this abstract is consistent with the hypothesis that gay men, straight cis women, and straight trans women have broadly similar brains, with straight women of both types differing from gay men in the specific brain region identified; and that a similar pattern holds for people attracted to women.
>>43044537It doesn't prove it's a delusion though? How could a want to be the other sex even be a delusion it's not a belief about the outside world.
>>43044396>after controlling for sexual orientationWhy would you control for this?
>>43045016because androphiles and gynephiles have different brain structures
>>43045028Shouldn't the trans be separated similarly in that case?
>>43045044that's why the study controlled for sexual orientation
I think anyone should be able to get on hormones even if they have 100% cisbrain and provide no reason other than "idk felt like it."
>>43045028so by "after controlling for sexual orientation, the transgender groups showed sex-typical FA-values" they mean "straight trans women have brains that are similar to gay cis men and straight cis women in most regions of the brain."note that this is not what it sounds like they're saying on a casual read! the abstract is designed for you to read "transgender people have brains typical of their assigned sex" when that isn't what they found at all! they found that most previously studied "sex differences" actually track sexual orientation rather than sex, except for one region of the brain where they track gender identity.
>>43045097>they found that most previously studied "sex differences" actually track sexual orientation rather than sex, except for one region of the brain where they track gender identityoh yeah that's not surprisingthe most sexually dimorphic part of the brain is the INAH3, which is the sex center of the brain and famously feminized in homosexual malesbrain sex dimorphism really occurs along the lines of sexual behavior, not genetic sex. Which really shouldn't be so surprising. And sexual behavior is one of the most sexually dimorphic aspects of human behavior, so it's not surprising that the sexual behavior part of the brain is so dimorphic
>>43045097wait so this is actually even more pro-trans than it initially seems like. like, the findings here are 100% validating brainsex in trannies. it's literally saying "the part of the brain that tells you what sex you are is most similar to that of cis women than that of cis men. the remainder of the sexual dimorphism is just tracking sexuality."that's realllllly burying the lede if it is true. like, it's literally saying that gay and trans people are that way because their brains are physically different from their straight and cis counterparts. this is a crazy paper. i can't believe they tried to put an anti-trans spin on it.
>>43045479waow
>>43045479>This is absurd! I demand you call my brain female and not a weird homo male brain immediately!!
>>43045623actually gay men just have female brains
>>43045479yeah i'm reading the actual paper now, haven't got through the whole thing yet, but it seems like this is just correct. i don't get why the abstract is like that, it's a very odd way to present the findings and the rest of the paper doesn't feel like it's trying to spin the results so far.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5738422/
>>43045623"reee trannies the only part of your brain that is female is the one that controls whether or not you feel female or male and the rest is just determined by sexuality reeeee"
>>43044396what argument? it's a neural correlate and supports trans stuff like >>43044724 saysmoreover, u can't take it to mean anything much in the way of describing experience or mechanisms>>43044521basically this is a nonsense take that jumps several steps and builds assumptions over other assumptionsit isn't that the thoughts are inherently dysphoric, it's that self-identity develops in a way that expects a certain physical body-environment relationships, and when that doesn't go were it causes heightened dysphoric thoughts over what can normally be expected
>>43044724>>43045097>>43045479>>43045660can't read studies awarddoesn't know what neuroplasticity is award
>>43044396neural body mapping misalignment theory vindicated>>43044552trvke
>>43044396>barely 100 people studied in total, less than 50 in each group>no clarification whether "homosexual" for transgender individuals means attracted to own perceived gender or attracted to agab>"homosexuality" controlled for by literal Kinsey scale surveys>respondants not in the extremes of the Kinsey scale surveys we're not included>any trannies who's ever used HRT were excludedWhat's even the point in studies like this? What's even the point of the conclusion? All they did was verify that sexual attraction and gender identity are controlled by different regions of the brain, and that by "controlling" for one area you can change the resulting groupings. Woaw, shocking stuff.My main takeaways from this are that trannies do indeed have asab-atypical brains even before HRT, that people who consider trannies and gays the same thing are morons, and that researchers are autistic, insensitive, and insular robots when it comes to LGBT people as always.
>>43045479>the findings here are 100% validating brainsex in tranniesEven moreso since all the trannies in the study were pre-HRT.
>>43045642So why don't they feel dysphoric?Oh. RightBecause their brains are male and don't have a body plan psych issue
>>43046314Gay people have the sex behavior part of the brain wrong, but not the self-perception part
>>43044396if this is the case then it proves that agp is real. oh well, gonna ride my bfs cock
>>43044724>>43045184>>43045479>nooo you dont get it le male must NEVER be similar IN ANY WAY to a female, especially those pesky TROOONS its mental illness or something only the abstract exists i will not read the stuudyThese are sex cultists anon. You won't convince them of anything
brainsex is stupid, gender antirealist arguments remain undefeated
>>43044396I don't see how that requires an argument at all?Trannybrain is different from gaybrain is different from dudebrain. We knew this.
>>43044396Brain scans be retarded tho we can't just describe someone's character anymore? All that college education and it's BS I guess.
