>why do most intersex people not transition?
because trannies aren't real

>>43045307
they can't hear you
being trans is like being stuck in a soundproof booth with people screaming at you

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i don't know but i know its their choice and to your first point experience has led me to prefer expressing myself as a woman and im much happier as such

>>43045295
Because it's not literally a female brain; it's a sufficiently "feminized" or "fucked up" male brain

>>43045367
are intersex people's brains not sufficiently feminized?

>>43045353
what does expressing yourself as a woman mean and why can't you do that without hrt?

>>43045295
the mistake you are making is thinking that there is some argument you can make that will cause people not to want to modify their bodies in ways that make them happier or alleviate pain
it happens to be the case here in actual reality that transness is caused by anomalies in the sexual differentiation of the brain. however, in the counterfactual world where we're wrong about that and it's caused by something else, the brute fact that there are a bunch of people out there who are highly motivated to seek out feminizing or masculinizing procedures, and will do so regardless of your opinions on their legitimacy, remains.

>Gender Identity in Intersex Individuals: Data shows varied identities, with a significant portion (35%) identifying as cisgender men or women, while others (22%) are trans men or women, and a large group (41%) may identify as non-binary or gender-diverse
Also you seem to forget that until recently intersex people were subjected to early surgery before they developed a gender identity.
It seems that the more we left intersex people alone, the more they do stray from their AGAB.

>>43045404
truke

>>43045398
people in cults often declare how happy they are and use that to justify staying in

>until recently
>he thinks they stopped doing that

>>43045419
how is it a cult? whos the leader of trannys?

>>43045441
troons, jewish women

>>43045462
but theres like millions of jewish women?

>>43045441
oh sorry I thought it said who is in the cult
>how is it a cult
because people blindly defend it and never question why or how they came to hate their male body or if others pressured them into feeling that way they just act like it POOF flew up out of nowhere

>>43045471
im sure theres many people who dont question why they are trans but from my own experience and people ive known are very introspective of their gender (more so then cis ppl) but yet still choose to remain transgender.
> hate their male body
also idk about every trans woman but for me personally i dont dislike my body. the only issue i have with it is the fact that it indicates that im male.
also how do you maintain a cult over the whole world? i mean are the trannys in brazil controlled by the same people controlling trannys in russia or thailand.

>>43045466
don't remind me
*faints*
*is revived with smelling salts*
*but anon, jewish women still exist*
*faints again*

>>43045517
better than english "women" tbhon

>>43045295
what are you talking about though? even if you do the female brain male body and vice versa thing then why would that mean if you're intersex you would want to transition? transition to what and why? do you assume intersex people all have either a male or female brain? it's really not that simple, but again even if it was, there are non binary people so what brain do they have? half way?

>>43045538
If you gave me a button that turned all jewish women into british women ethnically if pressed, I would jump up and down upon said button until I collapsed from exhaustion.

>>43045562
arent british women just jewish women but without big boobs?

>>43045573
no, germanics and jews are the two competing leading tribes of our modern era, totally different behavior

>>43045578
i feel like the Chinese are doing better than both
england is in decline
israel needs constant funding to stay afloat

>>43045593
>doing better
by being the world's worker elves?
I'm not sure being slave labor for richer countries is really that enviable
most chinese live in pretty shitty conditions in total autocracy
>but colored lights and skyscrapers
lol

>>43045605
oh yeah most chinese are doing bad but as a whole they are doing better than the west. they dont need a foreign workforce to make cheap products they have their own, i imagine its a strength not a weakness.

>>43045616
>but as a whole they are doing better than the west
um no
>they dont need a foreign workforce
because they are willing to pollute their own country
you have never breathed the air in china

>>43045641
>um no
whats the measures you use to see how good a group is doing?
>because they are willing to pollute their own country
this is what started the industrial revolution in the west also thats what trumps trying to do right now

>>43045657
how polluted their country is
how the poorest live
>trump is trying
trump is 80
trump is trying to stand up without falling

>>43045679
bad take theres more to making a group powerful and putting down others in their own group doesnt diminish it plus when the west was its peak it was way worse to their poor and way more polluted

>>43045295
might be wrong but last i checked, studies show that theres no such thing as a female or male brain for that matter which suggests that transness is something else, equally as pressing of an issue that does still cause the need to transition (thats why trans people undergoing transition are proven to live happier lives while trans conversion therapy is yet to ever actually produce tangible provable results). i dont personally have an answer for the transition thing but going off of that study to me it would make sense if only a small amount of the population has the ability to feel dysphoria (to varying degrees) while the rest of the population is socially conditioned from birth to have an aversion to not being acknowledged as a gender thats not their AGAB, but if these societal pressures did not exist, they would most likely not really care about being acknowledged as their AGAB. but fundimentally i dont know this is just the first thing i thought of, my reasoning can be flawed and wrong

>>43045732
if you are looking at the powerful and not the downtrodden the wool has been pulled over your eyes

>>43045641
>you have never breathed the air in china
if you haven't been recently you should go again, the air quality issues have improved substantially
periods of serious air pollution are an approximately universal experience in industrializing countries, it was really bad in the west for most of the twentieth century
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Smog_of_London

>>43045751
china treats poor people like shit, they are disposable
if you get hit by a car people look the other way

>>43045908
holy fed

>>43045295
its the most honderful time of the year

>>43045379
expressing myself as a woman in the way people see me as a woman in day to day life, hrt makes that easier via things like fat redistribution and breast growth, nicer skin, changes in hair growth, etc and being seen and seeing myself as a woman makes me happier in life

>>43046142
>people see me as a woman

>>43045295
because intersex is the umbrella term for sexual diamorphism fuckups and trans is the umbrella term for those seeking treatment in those areas

it's a definition thing, they are all intersex but only the ones who actually transition get called trans

it's also a fuckton more complicated than female brain male gonad but fuckit i'm lazy and it's close enough for talk

>>43046223
>dude you just don't understand my chakras can't align without estrogen

>>43046407
enh
more like certain nerve/brain structures require a minimum serum level of specific chemicals and without them they don't quite fire all the way
most of the trans stuff is social bullshit, if you get the hormones right they are perfectly fine mechanically

>>43045295
>most intersex people not transition
Like a third do doe
Compared to usual 0.1 (i am talking actual trooning)

>>43045295
Because the majority of them get "fixed" to their "proper sex" when they are a baby. On leddit (yes I know) an intersex person had told me of a story that a doctor saw an intersex baby and did a surgery to "fix" the baby, without telling the parents about the surgery. Baby grew up and transitioned, only figured out they were intersex at 16.

Also found on Wikipedia:
"A report by The Trevor Project on polling intersex youth in the US found that 42% identified as cisgender, 32% non-binary, 17% transgender, and 9% questioning, the poll sampled primarily LGBTQ youth."
Considering the average of 1% of the population are trans, intersex people are 17 times as likely to transition.

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>43045641
Gincel gincel go away
Go rape kids another day

>>43045295
>why do most intersex people not transition?
a lot of them aren't hormone reliant and the brain structure stuff is reliant on hormones in utero, although intersex people do transition at a hugely elevated rate as well as trans people being much more likely to be diagnosed with an intersex condition than cis people.

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>>43045295
I can answer this.

I'm intersex, had reproductive tissue from sexes in my body and a fucked up SRY gene.

Puberty was hell and I came out so malformed and uncanny that I hated my body so I ultimately repped then trooned in my 30s.

I have never felt anything or developed secondary sex characteristics on E and taking T gives me a high fever and I end up at the ER. Doctors are confused as to why. My male parts were painful to the touch and I never could self pleasure and was in perpetual dull pain until said male parts were removed.

Kept getting odd benign cancers and lost a lot of organs in my 20s before the partial ovary was discovered.

Basically got scooped and lost everything I had down there. I'm essentially a ken doll now with a woman's face and an uncanny mixture of features.

I feel no emotion, it's white noise 24/7. I went under the care of Dr. Powers and tried high doses and did all the tests and all I got was a pituitary tumor for my trouble.

So it's like, why bother with transition? I will never feel or know what sex is like. I will never feel emotions except for sadness. I have never felt euphoria or joy. I am me and I am numb.

I'm more concerned and focused on whether there's an afterlife or not or a God and if there is I fully plan on spitting in his face for doing this to me.

>>43047255
Assuming you haven't already got them tested, did you have your sex determining (foxl2, dmrt etc) and hormone receptor genes tested?

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>>43045295
>why do most intersex people not transition?
Intersex people do transition at a rate far higher than non-intersex people tho

>>43048133
>at a rate far higher
vague
why do most of them not transition?

intersex people dont always have the specific brain issues that trannies have

>>43048481
A lot of conditions like cais will make the person unlikely to develop dysphoria, or make them unable/v. hard to transition
I do know a pais poon doe. Took him 10 years to develop proper body hair

>>43048519
I feel really bad for the CAS/High grade PAIS people that wish to transition to men - considering that the T is going to do fuck all for them or even just get converted back to estrogen and feminize them further. That must really suck like their own personal hell.

>>43048481
Intersex is a spectrum. Most will align more to either side. The severe and muddled cases in the middle amount to about a third

>>43045367
Given there are something like 40 different DSDs and more than one of those has wildly varying consequences for just physical traits, I'm not sure we can say anything confidently about the entire intersex population's brain sex or whatever.
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>>43048133
Came here to say this, basically. And we even knew this in the bad old days. The topic even made it to one of the talk shows, probably prompted by David Reimer coming out with his story in 1997. Looong before you could treat trans people on TV as anything more than a sideshow.
>>43048481
Assume intersex people are assigned a sex by coin flip, gender identity is fully intrinsic and binary, and everyone who wants to transition does so. You'd expect 50% to transition under these circumstances.
But none of that is how anything works. In particular sex has never been assigned randomly. If assignment is even slightly more accurate than a coin flip then most intersex people will not transition.

Also intersex people are real humans with real needs and not pawns in your stupid tranny/anti-tranny argument.

>>43048981
>Also intersex people are real humans with real needs and not pawns in your stupid tranny/anti-tranny argument.

Unfortunately recently that has been exactly how intersex variations are currently portrayed by progressives. Intersex rights, access to medical care, etc never crops up on its own and is never spoken for as a discrete issue. It only seems pushed as a biological "gotcha" when talking about transgender issues based on the numerous bits I have seen on cspan and the like. It seems like the water is intentionally being muddied to take a social issue, and a medical issue, and merge them and in my opinion try and use confusion over the two to add validity to the transgender movement.

>>43045295
The brain stuff is an ad hoc justification for le epic titty skittles. It's all just an excuse and the sooner you accept that the better.

>>43049025
Yeah :/ I'm at a loss for words trying to describe an interaction I witnessed at a public hearing recently.
Someone from the ADF showed up to defend a bathroom bill. Within the bill were definitions of the sexes that would affect every statute that uses the defined words without locally redefining them. Broadly rewriting unknown amounts of state law. Those definitions were of course based on theoretical or actual gametes--in theory at least the bill would obligate the state to incarcerate people with CAIS in men's facilities, though I'd imagine it's unlikely to be implemented that way.
Anyway one of the liberals on the committee brought up intersex people, and the ADF person's response was basically to say theoretical male gamete producers are still men despite any of their other sex traits. But she tried to make it sound like she was being supportive.

The standard conservative response at this point seems to be to pretend that intersex people don't exist. We can probably directly thank the "gotcha" for that. It came up explicitly in the wording in one bill (which thankfully has not even been heard in committee yet).

>>43045295
whats wild is you have like a singular digit grasp on the concept yet act like your grip is big enough to support your clown ass.

>>43045295
according tobthe sobcalled science its certain oarts of brain that are dimorohic and they get shaped during certain periods. also chimerism, genetic mutations in enzymes converting. hormones or receptor in certain parts. also disso repping vs alive repping. selfawareness vs subconscious cope and denial. interplay between nature and nurture. religious brainrot. its tiresome i could make a post thrice as long ifbi wanted to but this question was notbasjed in a good faith.

>>43045295
I am intersex. I am a tranny.

Make a better thread next time lol.

>>43045295
Male and female brain have an overlapping part in how they function.
Imho, "real" trans (like not for fetish), strongly display this overlapping part, and way less of the male only part.
But they almost don't express female only part either.

As for intersex, it's an other kind of worms, you can't compare both.

>>43045295
most physically obvious intersex people are forcibly transitioned to some degree of binary conformity with no say in the matter

>>43049570
Please elaborate. What are the male only and female only brain functions?