OPs post is really intruiging, this has kept me engaged so i'm leaving this response!

>>43046998
Raloxifene

>>43046998
you can do whatever you want without pretending to be “nonbinary or genderfluid” lol. are you like 18?

OP is likely a sexual predator

you can call yourself genderfluid if you… want to be a woman sometimes. I don’t think you need to do some kind of test for a non binary label you can just try it out. Speaking from experience a non-binary label isn’t going to change your life massively unless you do commit to a transition, people will mostly just treat you as male, but it still can be nice when you’re with friends.

What's up with people being so biased against non-binaries?

>>43047780
because the stupidity of it is painful. their understanding of identity is like a little kid’s

>>43047808
Can you pls elaborate

>>43046998
Sweetheart you're just a crossdresser. That's your kink and that's okay. You don't have to fit yourself into transgenderism to crossdress, you can just do it.

Om fact as someone who is medically trans I'd prefer you didn't try to larp as me. You're not going to face my problems, you're going to have an entirely different set of problem but frankly they don't even compare to the never-any-good-options of actually being trans.

>>43047780
Because they occupy trans spaces and speak for us, without actually understand us, and it's getting REALLY fucking old.
All the blowback we're getting has absolutely nothing to fucking do with actual trans people and everything to do with some post-gender enby fuck running their mouths on xitter. Dying your hair blue is not a fucking gender.
I can't go to church any more because the Church opposes "gender theory". So do I but nobody actually reads the doctrine or examines what it actually means to be trans, they just get the headlines "trannies banned from church" and that part of my life gets cauterized.

What trannies actually need is things like access to gender affirming care at an affordable price.
What enbies need is to silence and marginalize anyone talking about being trans as a medical problem.

And this issue has now been going on for DECADES btw. I spoke to a stealthoid who transitioned in the early 00's and she was straight up allergic to the idea of going anywhere near pride because she went for 10 years of genderfuckers calling her a "female presenting queer person" instead of the completely normal girl she actually is, because back then she had no other space to exist in.

And now I'm dealing with the same shit today where I'm getting marginalized and excluded from the local trans group I'm supposed to be fucking running because a theyfab decided my autism is problematic.

Meanwhile nothing is actually changing for trans people. I still can't get a job, I still can't afford surgeries, I still feel unsafe pretty much everywhere I go, I still can't find a boyfriend. Only now I've got a multi-billion dollar hate campaign painting a target on my back and a theyfab who will experience fucking none of this doing nothing at all about that.

>>43047813
they think if you don’t “feel like” a man/woman then that means you aren’t one. it’s like a fashion statement but also serves as a political signifier, find me one they/them that’s not libbed out to the max. it’s the new expression of being an alt person, just like being goth or whatever.
it’s a form of escapism for girls (often autistic) who are tired of being treated like a sex object, or don’t live up to the stacy stereotype of a “woman”. “being a girl is uncomfortable so I’ve decided I’m not a girl” they also do it because being straight and cis is not cool in lib circles so they made up this thing that lets them pretend they’re trans. they naturally gravitate towards the queer kids and they want to fit in
sorry if this sounds disjointed, there are many things I can say about why people do this.

>>43047895
What about guys(often autistic)?

>>43047930
many of the same points apply to theymabs, they may be trying to fit in and they also don’t live up to the chad stereotype of a man, they’re softbois who probably paint their nails so they decided “I’m not a man”

>>43047945
I mean, what else could they do in heteronormative society?

>>43046998
Labels are kind of stupid. Once the dysphoria eased post ffs and srs its been a wild ride of no longer caring about being a womban. I transitioned into a theybie hehe

>>43047956
just be an effeminate guy without slapping a delusional label on it

>>43047889
Man you are dumb. The people you are trying to appeal to want you fucking dead and they do not give a single fuck about whether you are the good one or not.

And I fucking can't stand enbies. They drive me insane with their stupidity. But I'm not retarded enough to get mad at blue haired Twitter users thinking they held any power when even if they all optics maxxed, the chuds would just invent things to get mad about.

>>43047968
But that's now how it works. I agree that I certainly do believe that from a min-maxing perspective my personality and likes definitely work more when im perceived as female. But if it was that simple and it was a question of just min maxing then femboying is the most min maxed version of that. Scraping by to try and claw back some control over your life and make a shitty half baked life for yourself as a woman is defo not min maxing.

>>43047984
>I'm not retarded enough to get mad at blue haired Twitter users
I wish I was this strong. I cannot stop, it’s literally assault on my intelligence

>>43047984
>The people you are trying to appeal to want you fucking dead and they do not give a single fuck about whether you are the good one or not.
What does this even fucking mean?

I am just sick of being spoken over and spoken for by people who don't understand me and don't want to. I'm sick of none of the actual problems facing actual trans men and trans women being addressed because some fucking fat foid wanted to upgrade from ally to "genderqueer".

>>43048002
They are just retarded kids for the most part who don't mean no harm. They are an absolute optics nuke I agree, but trannies were never beating a combination of every single media company colluding to create a narrative anyway. It wasn't ever happening and stressing about it is a waste of time the only productive thing one can do is to move forward.

>>43048020
I just feel like you are getting mad at the wrong people. I too find fat foids who cosplay my condition annoying. The same way I find a dog shitting on the floor annoying. But you don't beat the dog for doing what a dumb dog does. You prevent the situation from happening again.

>>43048024
BULLSHIT. Some of these theyfabs are in their 50s with law degrees and shit.
The international transgender associations whatever the fuck are literally fucking full of them.
The government advisory bodies are full of them.
Pride groups are being run by them.
They have actually infested every fucking aspect of LGBTQIA+, and actual trans people are now finding the atmosphere toxic to them at best, or actively hostile to them at worst.

>>43048020
Also its not trenders holding back your medicine. If anything trenders will make your medicine cheaper long term by providing a financial incentive for it to become more easily available. Do you think Stephen Miller, JD Vance and co are all stupid? Do you really think they believe autistic tranny neets are gonna eat children or do they realise it's advantageous to have a whipping boys and girls at ready for whenever a distraction is needed?

>>43048045
Who gives a shit? Are you really so fucking gullible to think that if trannies stayed quiet and played respectability politics the guy who types kys tranny on every /pol/ thread would stop? Like the political climate is tiring me too but surely you can't be this desperate for an out you'd let yourself be fooled like this.

>>43048031
The way you train a dog out of shitting on the floor is to rub it's nose in it and give it a smack on the flank then send it outside.

And I really just don't think I am. I look around my local community and I see all of these challenges trans women are facing, from terf nurses, to lack of trans-inclusive hair removal, to having one qualified doctor, no qualified therapists, and no support or social group for a region with 200,000 people in it.

And then I see the fucking theyfab in charge of doing something about all this instead getting in my way when I try to.

>>43048063
You weren't getting your way anyway. The theyfab in charge isn't actually in charge either. They get paid $50 from the democratic party per video and get given free reign to talk about bullshit social issues not a single rich person actually cares about or plans to uphold in exchange for blind loyalty when things like Palestine happen and you need a cohort of retarded libs to distract from the fact that aside from some individual politicians here and there the vast majority of our ruling elites are controlled by capital interests.

Tl;dr you weren't getting shit anyway.

>>43048048
The fuck are you talking about, enbies don't need medicine. They need their neopronouns included in a dropdown menu on their facebook profiles.

>>43048054
>the guy who types kys tranny on every /pol/ thread would stop?
See this is what I'm talking about WHO GIVES A SHIT WHAT SOME ARSEHOLE ON THE INTERNET IS DOING WHEN I'VE GOT A THREE MONTH WAITING LIST TO THE ONLY DOCTOR WHO PRESCRIBES ESTROGEN WITHIN 200K?

You don't even understand the challenges I face.

>>43048071
To add, there is a reason only the stupidest of fucking apes are put in front of a camera. And thats because anyone with half a brain and some principles do not accept these deals. And without insider connections and Chinese bot farms good luck breaking out on social media.

>>43048071
I certainly would have gotten a lot further if SHE could go be fat and ugly somewhere else.

>>43048081
What you're trying to say is we don't control our own optics, I know, but that's got nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about in the actual trans spaces that are supposed to exist for trans people, there are no trans people because enbies are fucking toxic.

>>43048076
I am a post FFS, Post-OP, Married transsexual woman I was kicked out of my home at age 17 when given the ultimatum between transitioning or staying in a comfy home. Do not fucking tell me I do not understand. I understand way better than you because ive been through this tunnel already.

You are getting mad at the wrong people. I agree it is terrible out there for transgender women and our needs are ignored and shoved to the side.

But do you know why companies are happy to provide drop down menus, and boost the voices of the people you hate while your own voice will never be heard? Its because none of the people appealing to these theyfabs give a shit and making a drop down box is 2 minutes of work as opposed to millions of dollars having to be invested to take care of trannies medical needs. Those are complicated things and nobody has time for that.

Maybe its about time you opened your eyes and realized nobody gives a fuck about you, and half of them actively wish for your death. So stop getting mad at confused retards who frankly are inconsequential to the struggle. Go donate HRT to a minor or something.

>>43048089
I also think they “come out” with this in mind, they want to be a part of the trans community. They believe it to be more accepting than normie society.

>>43048089
Who gives a shit about trans spaces, its always been every man and woman for themselves.

You are upset because you think they are taking attention away from your struggles. I am here to tell you, most people are aware to some degree of your struggles but dealing with them would be icky and uncomfortable. Now instead they can call Brayden he and feel good about themselves and that just seems like a much better deal for them. Im not saying you should be friends with these people, just like stop assuming cis people arent evil fucking demons please. Can we have some queer solidarity? Even if faggots fucking annoy me.

>>43048100
>You are getting mad at the wrong people.
NO U.
Facebook isn't the ones doing this.
It's happening in pride groups and queer charities and spaces of that sort.
It is the actual boots on the ground that are all marching in the wrong direction, including whatever the fuck you're talking about, because these theyfabs seek power and all they have to to do get it is annoint themselves genderqueer and dare anyone to say it isn't true.

IT ISN'T TRUE.

They are just cis women who are occupying a space and taking up resources that are supposed to be going to actual transgender people. In the state of victoria where I live there is funding available to help transgender people "thrive in their local communities", and this is a 5 figure grant.

The theyfab spent in a monthly meetup at a coffee shop that's about as neurosafe as german rave, and doesn't even have a unisex bathroom, not to mention stupidly expensive. I'm supposed to be the trans representative on the committee for the pride group, and I didn't get told it was happening, let alone invited, neither did any other trans woman I know.

That's got nothing to do with chuds and corporations and whatever. That's a useless miserable person using neopronouns to divert funds away from their intended purpose into her own self-aggrandizing bullshit.

In another example I was getting denied medical care by a clinic because the terf receptionist "Felt intimidated" by me pre-transition. I tried to get in contact with Q-Law, which are supposed to support the LGBTQIA+ community on legal issues citing the numerous laws in Victoria the clinic was breaking, and got told by the theyfab that "gender dysphoria is not a mental illness" and that they would not be taking the case because of a "conflict of interest". Access to medical care is not a problem that bothers her so she doesn't give a shit, but oh boy the transmed needs to be punished for invalidating all the other genders by having an actual problem.

>>43048100
>>43048141
Also I found out late that Q-law as a matter of policy does not take family law cases for trans women.

I was never married and don't have kids, but goddamn talking to anyone who transitioned after 40 about their divorce is straight up heartbreaking. But the theyfabs don't give a fuck about that, they're too busy having a sponsored conference on "gender based violence".

>>43048121
Our struggles aren't going to get solved without community building.
That's literally the bottom line on trans issues.

We don't get better doctors and more research, we don't get the subsidies on gender affirming surgeries back, we don't get employment options with safe employers, we don't get fashion that fits, we don't get fucking anything without community. That's where all of our rights came from initially, and mostly importantly that the most vital thing that baby trans need to make the decision to transition instead of sui.

And the MAIN BARRIER to community building, because the money is there, the support from authority is there, the community facilities are there, but there's inevitably a group of enbies preaching gender theory occupying all of it who are actively hostile to trans women talking about our actual issues amongst ourselves.

>>43048141
Oh wow the sociopath sucked up pittance money that was meant for more deserving people.

Now don't get me wrong I hope everyone who fucked you meets a swift end. That doesn't mean im gonna be personally affected by some low level hucksters stealing 10 grand to fund their matcha latcha avocado extreme addiction.

You just have to think bigger instead of fighting for scraps with retards.
There will always be people who abuse goodwill. You could take out all mention of trannyism from this discussion and people would think we are discussing welfare.

>>43048165
No you're wrong. That's where it matters most. Actual change is achieved at the local level from compassionate community action.

And they're getting supported by the wider pride community because they're identifying as enbies and the gays and lesbians can't tell the difference between an enbie larper and a genuine trans person.

Genuine trans people, including you I'm guessing, just leave pride space. That's what I'm doing now, there are other spaces I've found where I'm actually safe, seen and included and get to do community outreach and put a friendly face on the trans community, so I'm just going to do that because that's actually achieving something, both for me and for trans people.

>>43047889
I'm enby with a handful of trans/cis/whatever friends and none of them know, or need to know about my "enby status". Only my wife and I know.
I don't take up "trans spaces" and I advocate for trans people when appropriate, because I know you have more difficulties in your daily life as you outlined in your post.
Stop coming to this board, you are annihilating your mental health.

>>43048160
>We don't get better doctors and more research, we don't get the subsidies on gender affirming surgeries back, we don't get employment options with safe employers, we don't get fashion that fits, we don't get fucking anything without community.

Do yourself a favor and immerse yourself in some Black Liberation writers. Do you think you are the first minority to face the issue of "bad eggs" ruining it for everyone else? Yet, for all the racism still present the orange turd still had to apologize for the Obama joke because black people have something none of you bitches understand and it's called solidarity. They solve their issues internally but present a unified front for the most part when it comes to politics.

Ultimately your enemy isn't the gender queer faggot stealing your grants, your enemy is the person who wants to eliminate those grants. Focus on one, and then oust the second when they are no longer useful. This is how you achieve your goals instead of just getting mad at ugly people for being ugly.

>>43048184
>Stop coming to this board, you are annihilating your mental health.
Get fucked.
This is literally the only place I actually feel like I'm genuinely amongst my own kind.

>>43048185
>Do you think you are the first minority to face the issue of "bad eggs" ruining it for everyone else?
Preaching to the choir sweetheart. But their problems existing don't invalidate mine.

>Ultimately your enemy isn't the gender queer faggot stealing your grants, your enemy is the person who wants to eliminate those grants.
No actually it isn't. Those people who want to eliminate grants are misguided because the only contact they've had with transgender people has been some genderqueer larper with a gender studies degree crapping on about cisheteronormative capitalism or some other nonsense, and not the actual experiences of actual trans people.

When I meet the chuds they are never cruel, they are inquisitive, they are interested, but they are weighing my needs up against broader society. So then I can start talking about employment inclusivity so that I can actually contribute to society and what I need medically and socially to get that to happen, and generally speaking they are open to that.

But that requires me to be the one speaking for me, but I can't do that because there's a fat lump with they/them pronouns who spends all day on fucking zoom meetings speaking for me, but hasn't actually spoken to me in 6 months.

>>43048214
When I meet chuds they just seem like retarded losers to me but then again, I'm actually successful in life so I don't feel personally attacked by a socially awkward chud telling me to kys tranny. Do you also spend this much time wondering why dogs bark at you?

Honestly its quite cute you think you could talk yourself out of your current predicament. I'm guessing you are about year 4/5 in your transition? Long enough to see all the bullshit thats wrong with the pride community, but not long enough to understand that the opposite side is just as bad if not worse. Like atleast our freaks just want to have buttsex in public, their freaks just want to fantasize about mass murder as a way to cope with their failure at procreation.

>>43048232
>I'm guessing you are about year 4/5 in your transition?
About 2.

>their freaks just want to fantasize about mass murder as a way to cope with their failure at procreation.
See this is where you and I have a fundamental problem. The people you're talking about are often neurodivergent and not recieving care, always socially marginalized, talked about but never talked to.

Meanwhile you're apparently fully socially, romantically, economically, medically, affirmed and included, and you probably don't even need therapy but you're getting it anyway. How fucking dare you speak of those who can only dream of having what you have as though they're to blame for your success as if that even makes sense.

You want to stop those people, you help them achieve the social inclusion you already have. EVERYONE deserves love, EVERYONE deserves to be included in society, EVERYONE deserves a fair go. And if you don't believe that then I really don't see how you've come to the conclusion that you're supposed to have these things while others aren't.

It's also clear you've never met these people, you're hating on them because of a caricature you saw on social media or something, which is the exact same reason they hate you. Wake up and smell the semitism you fucking hypocrite. You're not on a fucking side, you're just being farmed for clicks.

>>43048260
>See this is where you and I have a fundamental problem. The people you're talking about are often neurodivergent and not recieving care, always socially marginalized, talked about but never talked to.

That also applies to the neurotic theyfabs that annoy you so much.

>Meanwhile you're apparently fully socially, romantically, economically, medically, affirmed and included, and you probably don't even need therapy but you're getting it anyway. How fucking dare you speak of those who can only dream of having what you have as though they're to blame for your success as if that even makes sense.

Yep. And I clawed at it all by myself. Name anything dangerous or illegal I've probably done it.

>You want to stop those people, you help them achieve the social inclusion you already have. EVERYONE deserves love, EVERYONE deserves to be included in society, EVERYONE deserves a fair go. And if you don't believe that then I really don't see how you've come to the conclusion that you're supposed to have these things while others aren't.

I don't really give a fuck about them honestly and if they die tomorrow I would not feel a shred of emotion. Even in my darkest days after being raped and essentially escaping into substance abuse to not kill myself I did not lash out at others and join hate groups to try and have an out-group's right to a dignified life restricted. In my eyes these "people" are lesser than me and while I'm above wishing bad things happening on them, I'm not Jesus, and my kindness is not infinite.

>It's also clear you've never met these people, you're hating on them because of a caricature you saw on social media or something, which is the exact same reason they hate you. Wake up and smell the semitism you fucking hypocrite. You're not on a fucking side, you're just being farmed for clicks.

My closest friend of 10 years had black sun tattoos and was a diagnosed schizophrenic. I've been posting here since i was 15. You are a child compared to me.

>>43048315
>That also applies to the neurotic theyfabs that annoy you so much.
No it fucking doesn't. They're boring af normies.

>My life is sorted what's your problem
SOMETHING. The answer to that question is SOMETHING.

> Even in my darkest days after being raped and essentially escaping into substance abuse to not kill myself I did not lash out at others and join hate groups to try and have an out-group's right to a dignified life restricted
Okay well they did. So do you want them to stop doing that? Or do you want to feel smug about yourself while they grow in number and power?
Because you can only do one of those things and one of them is fucking retarded.

>I've been posting here since i was 15.
Speaking of fucking retarded, if you've been here for so long you ought to know that /pol/ is a Jewish psyop.
I've been here long enough not to brag about how long I've been here.

>>43048336
>No it fucking doesn't. They're boring af normies.
Just showing your lack of female socialisation. Cis women are boring as fuck normies. First day?

>SOMETHING. The answer to that question is SOMETHING.
I wish you all the best and if you need someone to hold your hand through FFS and SRS, or if you need to vent about tranny stuff i'm happy to help. Unfortunately I can't do much more than that because if I handed out my money to everyone I would be the one needing help very soon after.

>Okay well they did. So do you want them to stop doing that? Or do you want to feel smug about yourself while they grow in number and power?
Because you can only do one of those things and one of them is fucking retarded.
I'm just gonna continue enjoying life, hope all this shit blows over and if it doesn't be ready to GTFO. All I can really do. There's a few tranner friends I'd help and pay for their flight ticket out with me.

>Speaking of fucking retarded, if you've been here for so long you ought to know that /pol/ is a Jewish psyop.
It is, but I also chatted with Elon Musk on it like twice now so clearly our retarded overlords haven't caught on to that one yet.