>>43053377
I just detrooned. It’s already way better.

what leftoids are throwing trannies under the bus? liberals and centrists do because they are nihilists that believe in nothing but i don't know about any leftoids doing it

>>43053404
kys groomer shill

>>43053377
Make a animation meme

>>43053377
Just be the very best person you can be, and don’t let the circumstances get to you

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>>43053588
is this helping?

>>43053377
The issue with the all of them is they don't actually believe we exist.
Gender theory is the language of debate around trans issues, it cannot recognize the existence of gender dysphoria since that would make gender innately biological and the problem fundamentally neurological (which it is) and so they just debate made up garbage about nail painting and shit.

And that's the point. They don't actually realize that we're not cartoon characters or actors on a tv show, they don't see us as real people sharing a planet with them. So instead of talking about real issues they can just endlessly debate something that is in their minds completely fictional.

>Hypothetically if transgender people really did exist, what would we do about that?

And the reason they have that conversation is because it's better than dealing with their real problems. It's actually got nothing to do with us, the fact that we keep getting fucked over by the political sportsball game doesn't register with them because we're not real. We're literally just collateral damage in the worlds stupid game of cope.

>>43053698
i feel soothed

>>43053712
literally everyone except a subset of troons recognize transgenderism as a product of psychiatric neurological origins. What they don't believe is that you can change your biological sex, because you can't, which is what you want.

>>43053957
Is my neurology not part of my biology?
This is the part where you're pretending I'm not real. I really do have a female nervous system, I was born with it and there's nothing I can do about it.

So I'm not changing my biological sex, I'm accepting my biological reality. I really am female. I have the wrong genitals, not the wrong brain.

>>43053377
>Right wingers want us dead or at the very least excised from society
explain Iran
is Iran left wing?

conservatives LOVE trannies
you have legal gender recognition in over a hundred conservative countries

>>43054035
biological sex isn't contingent on neurology

>>43053377
I don't see the problem, what's wrong? Discrimination is relatively normal unfortunately this is how the world works.

>>43054126
So if my nervous system isn't biological then what is it?
You understand the difference between neurological and psychological right? Or do you tell people with aquired brain injuries to walk it off?

>>43054225
internalized homophobia
it's easier to pretend to be a woman than to accept being gay

>>43054225
your retarded gotcha has nothing to do with what I said you disingenuous cretin - biological sex IS NOT contingent on your neurology, you could be born with no brain at all and still be biologically male or female, i could chop your head off and you would still be biologically male. You can not change your biological sex with current medical technology.

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>>43054261
I'm not pretending tho.
I was pretending, I was actually pretty good at it not that anyone ever cared.
But then I got gender dysphoria, an empirically established psyciatric disorder that can be diagnosed differentially.
And the only effective treatment for that is gender affirming care to help the sufferer recognize live as their authentic gender and releive the intense stress and discomfort of pretending to be something I'm not for decades.

Everyone keeps trying to explain me, but nobody ever fucking asks me.

Gender dysphoria is dysphoria, not delusion. I'm not delusional, I actually am a woman. I'm real, I'm here, you can talk to me.

>>43054316
What you said didn't answer the question that was asked of you.

IS MY NERVOUS SYSTEM PART OF MY BIOLOGY?!?!?

The answer is yes. But you can't accept that because that would mean accepting the objective reality that transgender people exist. And that doesn't work for you, because you want to debate shit that doesn't fucking impact you in the slightest most minuscule fucking way, instead of actually talking about why your life is objectively worse than your parents.

>>43054355
your cock and balls and prostate are also part of your biology but your biological sex isn't contingent on your cock and balls and prostate either. can you not understand simple cause and effect? do you not understand how something can precede something else in time or function? if you have some female characteristic but you are a male then you are a male with some female characteristics YOU ARE NOT A FEMALE because you are a male with one female characteristic.

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>>43053377
On a personal level you should acquire enough wealth/resources/connections to survive and thrive no matter what the normgroidcattle have to say about it. Westoid trannies as a broader collective have unfortunately proven themselves to be suicidally retarded as of late, so strictly tying your own fate to that of theirs would be unwise imo.
>https://www.youtube.com/@nomadcapitalist
I recommend checking this guy out on YT, he has lots of good advice on this kind of thing. You have to scale it down a bit if you're a brokie obviously, but it's still useful.

>>43054495
And this is the part where you've shifted the goalposts from "biological sex" now that you've realized transgenderism is a biological reality, to talking about whole of identity.

But here's the thing, I have a female nervous system and a male endocrine system, which causes a very serious and severe psychiatric problem called gender dysphoria. Basically this arrangement doesn't work and something has to give.

In theory there are two options:
We can fix the nervous system to be more male. If the technology for this is even possible, it's certainly not going to be available any time soon.
Or we can fix the endocrine system to be more female through surgery and exogenous hormones, a process so straightforward that the human race has had the technology to do it for at least 6,000 years.

Altering the endocrine system does not fundamentally change who I am. Altering the nervous system would fundamentally change who I am. I would be a cisgender male, but I would not be me.

Therefore my gender becomes axiomatic. I, as in the I in the sentence "I think therefore I am" am female. I am female.

Adult. Human. Female.
Trans women are, IN FACT, women.

We don't change our gender, you can't change your gender, we accept it and treat the medical problems cause by exposing teenaged girls to extremely high doses of testosterone for years or even decades.

Which brings us back to the more important question, why the fuck do you even care? Why is it so important to you that you get a vote on my medical care?

>>43054321
homosexuality was a recognized psychiatric disorder not that long ago

>>43053377
pleasee get over yourselves
nobody really cares about trannies
you are not being """genocided""""
a woman uncomfortable with u who wants you to go in the male bathroom is not tantamount to genocide
holy fucking shit trannies are dumb

>>43055213
you can type as much as you want but here's the truth in less than ten words: you have a cock between your legs
it really doesn't go deeper than that. you need to take hormones, get endless surgeries, etc. because you are simply NOT a woman. like no part of you is or will ever be female. you are lying to yourself and so is everyone around you
males have balls and penis. women have vaginas. in the future when this shit has blown over you'll be left with a crippled body and a wasted life just like every other dumb tranner

>>43055229
>science was wrong once
Guess we should just never know anything at all

>>43055273
>I'm refusing to read what you wrote because I'm now realizing the possibility that I'm wrong.
Then just answer the last paragraph, why the fuck do you care about my medical problems?
You've now recognized they ARE medical problems, why is it you think you need to be in the room with me and my doctor when I make decisions about how best to deal with the problems my medical conditions have caused me?

> in the future when this shit has blown over
And we're back to pretending transgender people don't exist while you're actually talking to one. How do you even manage the congnitive dissonance?

>>43055242
>a woman uncomfortable with u who wants you to go in the male bathroom is not tantamount to genocide
The men aren't comfortable with me in their bathroom either.
But I need to use the bathroom.

>>43055213
I haven't moved the goal posts at all, i haven't shifted at all from my initial claim, which is a fact; Biological sex is not contingent upon neurology. Find a single source that claims biological sex is contingent upon a persons neurology, you can't, because it isn't. You are flailing around like a fucking spastic to avoid that fact.
You are a male
You would be a male if your neurology resembled a females mean neurological structure
You would be a male if you cut your balls and cock off and your prostate out
You would be a male if you were born without any cock or balls or prostate at all
You would be a male if your injected exogenous hormones to match the mean female hormone distribution
Because biological sex is contingent upon none of these things.
You are a male
You will always be a male, there is nothing you can do to change the fact that you are a male with current medical technology.

>>43055361
>telling a doctor you feel like a woman inside is science

>>43055379
then fight with them to enter that bathroom like you fight with women to enter their spaces you stupid fucking tranny. advocate for trans only bathrooms

>>43055361
>why the fuck do you care about my medical problems?
if you would stay in your spaces and stop insisting there's no tangible difference between yourselves and women nobody would have an issue. this idea that TRANS women are literally women and not just a subset of men is very new. that's what people are annoyed about. idgaf if some retard wants to botch himself and get weird little tubular moobs with hrt. i DO care that i have to join in on his larp that he is so totally a trve woman uwu because of it

>>43055427
OMG you are so disengenous.
I AM LITERALLY THE BIOLOGICAL REALITY TO YOU.

You are responding to that by sticking your fingers in your ears and ignoring ALL of the evidence and all of the arguments to focus on a single semantic which DOESN'T EVEN MAKE FUCKING SENSE

NEUROLOGY IS PART OF BIOLOGY
YOU
DUMB
FUCK

Fucking eat that fucking fact a chock because are fucking wrong. You didn't understand what transgenderism actually, and you still don't, because you don't want to.

SO WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU HERE?

>>43055242
I wish this was actually true and that powerful people weren't currently trying to get trans medical care banned

>>43055459
I don't fight with anyone, I sit in my house and never go outside because people keep trying to fight me for existing.

AND THIS IS MY FUCKING SPACE
IT'S LITERALLY MY ONLY FUCKING SPACE

WHY
ARE
YOU
HERE?!?!?!?!?

>>43054355
>>43055213
If I understand that study from yesterday correctly then trans women have their brains built more or less like cis men except for two areas - the self-perception of gender (obviously) and sexuality (where straight trannies are the same as gay men and straight women, transbians are like cis lesbians and straight men)
That means the brain (and nerve system by extension) of a trans woman is not the same as that of a cis woman, but it does differ from that of a cis man too
Therefore trans women are not 100% women in mind but they are not men either, they're their own thing

>>43055483
>NEUROLOGY IS PART OF BIOLOGY
is a non-sequitor, it has nothing to do with the statement
BIOLOGICAL SEX IS NOT ******CONTINGENT****** UPON NEUROLOGY
you subliterate cretin

>>43055519
>If I understand that study from yesterday trans women have brains that are different to cis men
You're literally quoting it to me and you don't even register it.

Trannybrain + male hormones = gender dysphoria
Trannybrain + female hormones = normal functioning

>>43053377
Rightoids literally saved troon asses by excusing you from military service. Now you get to watch chuds dodge FPVs in 4K soon

>>43055486
billions of men all throughout time did not die because they couldn't pump their bodies with fake hormones. what you personally think is necessary is a meme
people in gaza are being genocided
people in ukraine are being genocided
you lot just can't get cosmetic surgeries and pointless shit done to your healthy bodies lolll what a big struggle

>>43055507
kek

>>43055538
BIOLOGICAL SEX IS NOT ANYTHING according to you.
But that's because you're fucking retarded.

Why are you here retard? Why are you talking to me if you don't want to learn about me?

>>43055563
Access to medical care is a human right retard.
That's something the whole world agreed on after WW2.
You know, when the millions of men died for human rights.

>>43055538
You've literally lost on every point. Are you a bot?

>>43055563
Why even bother with the first post if you're just gonna admit that it's a lie right after?

>>43055581
NAH tranny surgeries and treatment are purely cosmetic
i think you guys should 10000% have the right to do it but it needs to come out of your own pockets, not mine or anyone else's

>>43055569
>Sex is the biological trait of a reproducing organism in producing gametes of one of two different sizes or shapes—male or female gametes. Thus, the typical classification for such organisms, their sex, is also known as either male or female. During sexual reproduction, a male and a female gamete fuse to form a zygote, which develops into an offspring that inherits traits from each parent. By convention, organisms that produce smaller gametes (spermatozoa, sperm) are called male, while organisms that produce larger gametes (ova, often called egg cells) are called female. An organism that produces both types of gamete is a hermaphrodite.

>In non-hermaphroditic species, the sex of an individual is determined through one of several biological sex-determination systems. Most mammalian species have the XY sex-determination system, where the male usually carries an X and a Y chromosome (XY), and the female usually carries two X chromosomes (XX). Other chromosomal sex-determination systems in animals include the ZW system in birds, and the XO system in some insects. Various environmental systems include temperature-dependent sex determination in reptiles and crustaceans.

That is what biological sex is *CONTINGENT UPON*
not neurology
not hormones
not how you feel
not what you want to be true
It is IMPOSSIBLE for you to become a female with current medical technology

>>43053377
when I get drafted to fight Chuds by the Canadian government, do you think I can get a troon jax on my helmet.

>>43055643
I'm willing to have NHSs of the world pay as long as it results in pretty trannies

>>43055646
>we had no idea what men and women were until we discovers the chromosome
Ok retard

>>43055643
>i think you guys should 10000% have the right to do it
Cool because we don't actually have that right.
Access to gender affirming care is being heavily restricted, implicitly banned, or implicitly banned right accross the western world.

So are you, as a man, going to stick up for what you believe in or was that just larp?

>>43055646
Just fuck off retard. You've dodged every question, missed every point, and now you're posting some reductionist shit to do exactly what I said.

You need to PRETEND transgender people don't exist to satisfy an ideology that make no material difference to your life.
Well guess what, I'm real, I exist, and there's literally nothing you can do about that except stop being wrong.

>>43055643
>>43055724
>Access to gender affirming care is being heavily restricted, implicitly banned, or even explicitly banned right accross the western world.
is what I meant to say.

>Trannies only now realizing they were a irrelevant split issue to keep people focused away from the economy and corruption in the government
>Trannies surprised a bunch of their support is vaporizing because they can no longer socially coerce people into supporting them
>Trannies still not realizing that because the whole concept of trans is still rife with irrational shit, the average Joe prefers to distance from the subject and isn't going to bother to intercede on behalf of a bunch of people they'll likely never meet about a subject they think is a bit crazed
We told you this shit 10 years ago, instead you huffed your own farts, bought the pride themed merch and listened to self serving demagogues like Brianna Wu who are literally just attention whores.

You are dumb asses.

>>43055724
You guys are the reason it's being restricted
Not because you are trans specifically, but because you also want "gender affirming care" to mean that you are LITERALLY women or men. If you hadn't insisted that HRT and surgery made you a literal woman nobody would be wildly against you getting it
I guess there is the issue of HRT shortages (you know, for people who need it for actual, life-saving medical care) too but that's not really in your favor is it?

>>43055724
What makes you “trans” “gender”? Your wig? Your clothes?

>>43055774
It's been fun watching the blow-back on them. Even some leftist/progressive politicians are going "well hold on a second, maybe I did move too fast here"
Once the left wakes up and realizes water is WET it's totally over for trannies

>>43055213
>I have a female nervous system
That's retarded. No you don't.

>>43055724
>Humans and most other mammals have an XY sex-determination system: the Y chromosome carries factors responsible for triggering male development, making XY sex determination mostly based on the presence or absence of the Y chromosome. It is the male gamete that determines the sex of the offspring. In this system XX mammals typically are female and XY typically are male. However, individuals with XXY or XYY are males, while individuals with X and XXX are females.

i can quote endless amounts of sources at you because you are wrong and I am right so I will do that. Sex is not contingent upon neurology, it never was contingent upon neurology, literally no one has ever made the claim the sex is contingent upon neurology. You are wrong, you are a male, you will always be a male, the medical technology to become the opposite sex does not exist.

>>43055800
I YES MOST FUCKING CERTAINLY DO YOU STUPID FUCKING CHUD

>>43055774
My support has increased recently, guess I've always been a contrarian, or I just feel sorry for those who wanted proper care but got lumped together with queerfabs and bad faith actors

>>43055822
These "What's a woman" arguments are always so annoying. Like you and I and every single tranny know what a woman is and why they aren't one. They can't ever justify their position unless you accept their leaps in logic and denial of simple reality. So crazy

>>43055831
>"In sexually reproducing animals, there are two sexes, the male and the female. [...] We have already defined male and female based on gonads and on the type of gametes produced in those gonads, either eggs or sperm."
Mills A (2018). "Sex and Reproduction". Biology of Sex. Toronto: University of Toronto Press. p. 43. ISBN 978-1-4875-9337-7.

>>43055776
>it was just larp, I'm nothing like my grandfather and never will be
We don't believe that tho. Literally no trans woman actually says that.
My first post explains this shit >>43053712
We have a whole bunch of people speaking for us who don't actually believe we exist.

Estrogen didn't make me a woman any more than testosterone made me a man. I was always a woman, testosterone made me look like a man and very very sick.

That's why it's gender AFFIRMING care, not gender CHANGING care.

In the meantime I personally am not the reason for a goddamn thing. I'm afraid of cameras because I have no idea if my ugly ogrehon face is going to be the next "optix newk". I volunteer at an op-shop two days a week and I'm thinking about taking up Magic the Gathering because the local game store has a lot of single guys in it.

Did you know trans women can get PMS? I can't have babies, I can't even have normal sex, I'm ugly as fuck, the only guys who are into me are pervs, but I get the mental illness part of the menstrual cycle!

Literally no one, NO ONE, would actually choose to be trans if they knew what it was like.

>>43055831
You really don't. You have at best, female software on male hardware. But at best, it's a theory. Your nervous system is a reflection of your physicality, as you have a male body, your nervous system is based on that. Otherwise you'd be a twitching drooling mess.

>>43055890
>The answer is that there is an agreement by convention: individuals producing the smaller of the two gamete types – sperm or pollen – are males, and those producing larger gametes – eggs or ovules – are females.
Kokko H, Jennions M (2012). "Sex differences in parental care". In Royle NJ, Smiseth PT, Kölliker M (eds.). The Evolution of Parental Care. Oxford University Press. p. 103.

>>43055794
Gender dysphoria

>>43055800
Yes I do.

>>43055822
>retard noises

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>potentially interesting/useful thread derailed by a sperg arguing with a bad-faith troll arguing with someone impersonating the sperg
many such cases here on the 'T recently, no wonder it's so dead

>>43055903
FUCK OFF RETARD
YOU IGNORE EVERY ARGUMENT
EVERY FACT
EVERY THING SAID TO YOU

IN ORDER TO MAKE A SINGLE POINT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN

That transgender people don't exist.
But I am one, so we do exist, and you're claim is dismissed prima facie.

You can't understand that, so you just don't.

>>43055890
>I was always a woman
what's a woman?

>>43055911
sperg here, I'm not kidding about the PMS, this is weirdly really helpful.

>>43055933
trans people don't exist
ur just a crossdresser

>>43055910
>One thing biologists do agree on is that males and females count as different sexes. And they also agree that the main difference between the two is gamete size: males make lots of small gametes—sperm in animals, pollen in plants—and females produce a few big eggs.
Whitfield J (June 2004). "Everything you always wanted to know about sexes". PLOS Biology. 2 (6) e183. doi:10.1371/journal.pbio.0020183. PMC 423151. PMID 15208728.

>>43055933
>However, there is one fundamental feature of the sexes which can be used to label males as males, and females as females, throughout animals and plants. This is that the sex cells or 'gametes' of males are much smaller and more numerous than the gametes of females. This is true whether we are dealing with animals or plants. One group of individuals has large sex cells, and it is convenient to use the word female for them. The other group, which it is convenient to call male, has small sex cells. The difference is especially pronounced in reptiles and in birds, where a single egg cell is big enough and nutritious enough to feed a developing baby for. Even in humans, where the egg is microscopic, it is still many times larger than the sperm. As we shall see, it is possible to interpret all the other differences between the sexes as stemming from this one basic difference.
Dawkins R (2016). The Selfish Gene. Oxford University Press. pp. 183–184. ISBN 978-0-19-878860-7.

>>43055945
raging at bait like an angry autistic man is not very ladylike, please make better posts in the future

>>43055890
Did you always know you were a woman? A biologically female brain should know from the start, no? What about trans women who came to that conclusion later? Is this a meaningful difference?

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>>43055939
Adult, human, female.

But seriously, we've memed that question so hard that we kinda forgot where it comes from. Woman is not man. That how de beauvoir originally defined it. In her day "what is a man" had a pretty decent body of philosophy behind it.

These days nobody is actually fucking asking "what is a man". When I was coming of age you could lose your man card if you couldn't do a burnout in your car or skull 3 beers in one go.
Now I can't even forfeit it for actually cutting off my balls.

I got misgendered by a male checkout operator. Ten years ago that was a girl's job, and he thinks he's in a position to talk shit to me. They need more bullies in high school.

>>43055956
trans people exist! you just aren't actually women or men or whatever gender you say you are.
>trans woman
subset of male
>trans man
subset of female
you can get as philosophical as you want but reality will never ever change <3

>>43055978
>actually quoting Dawkins
lol

>>43055989
Have you never met a woman with PMS before?
Male socialization taught me to control my emotions and this is that at full power.

>>43055997
>A biologically female brain should know from the start, no?
So in neurotypical children understand of gender starts to form around the ages of 5 or 6. In autistic children the understanding of gender develops in late teens/early adulthood.
By that point a great deal of male socialization has taken, you've been surrounded by adults telling you you're a boy your whole life and you don't have an argument against them nor the right to speak if you do.

So what tends to happen to austistic transgender people (which is about 10-30% of transgender people, and about the same of autistic people), is we tend to mask as the gender we're assigned. This often a lot stronger in trans women than trans men, just because of the way autism and gender is related (girltism masks itself better than boytism).

So for me personally, an autist, the struggle to understand my gender began in my late teens. I did research on gender roles, I mirrored what I saw on television and what I saw in life (basically I did an impression of my dad meets Crocodile Dundee with a side of John McClane). In terms of actually figuring out I was transgender it's when I read the DSM V on gender dysphoria for the first time and recognized the symtoms, I then sat down and did a differential diagnosis on myself and realized that I was actually trans.

It then took a while to actually accept my gender. There's all sorts of cope, and male socialization really does a fucking number on us. But yeah I did what I always do and applied the scientific method to the facts at hand until I had only one hypothesis remaining, which had to be true. explained here >>43055213

Once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains no matter how improbable must be the truth.

>>43056097
>source: I said so

>>43056133
>During sexual reproduction, each parent animal must form specialized cells known as gametes...In virtually all animals that reproduce sexually, the gametes occur in two morphologically distinct forms corresponding to male and female. These distinctions in form and structure are related to the specific functions of each gamete. The differences become apparent during the latter stages of spermatogenesis (for male gametes) and oogenesis (for female gametes)....After oogenetic meiosis, the morphological transformation of the female gamete generally includes development of a large oocyte that does not move around....The ambiguous term "egg" is often applied to oocytes and other fertilizable stages of female gametes....Spermatogenesis and oogenesis most often occur in different individual animals known as males and females respectively.
Grzimek, Bernhard (2003). Grzimek's Animal Life Encyclopedia. Vol. 1. Gale. pp. 16–17. ISBN 978-0-7876-5362-0. Archived from the original on 2024-05-10. Retrieved 2020-07-09.

dont worry if you dont like one source ive got 20 in the chamber

>>43056154
Nobody is reading your shit retard.
You've ignored literally everything said to you and nothing you're saying now explains the evidence before you.

Someone told you you were smart once, they were wrong, you're just autistic.

>>43056184
>Female 1. Denoting the gamete (sex cell) that, during sexual reproduction, fuses with a male gamete in the process of fertilization. Female gametes are generally larger than the male gametes and are usually immotile (see Oosphere; Ovum). 2. (Denoting) an individual organism whose reproductive organs produce only female gametes.
Martin, Elizabeth; Hine, Robert (2015). A Dictionary of Biology. Oxford University Press. p. 222. ISBN 978-0-19-871437-8.

biology unfortunately isn't contingent upon 4chan arguments

>>43056207
Science isn't contingent upon quoting out of context shit to make semantic arguments which are disproven by facts not in dispute.

Nothing you're quoting there explains transgenderism or even recognizes that transgenderism exist. It assumes transgender people do not exist, and then uses that assumption to prove that don't exist. That's OBVIOUSLY fallacious.

Which goes back to the very first point that you umbridge with. The debate is being had by people who don't think transgender people actually exist. Including you.

Bringing us back to the
only!
important!
question!

Why are you here? What are you trying to achieve? What do you hope to prove?

You can't disprove transgenderism to me, I'm trans.

>>43056249
ur not trans cuz that doesn't mean anything coherent
>I feel like a woman inside
ok you are schizophrenic

>>43056249
>In humans and other species that produce two morphologically distinct types of gametes, and in which each individual produces only one type, a female is any individual that produces the larger type of gamete called an ovum, and a male produces the smaller type, called a sperm cell or spermatozoon. Sperm cells are small and motile due to the presence of a tail-shaped structure, the flagellum, that provides propulsion. In contrast, each egg cell or ovum is comparably large and non-motile. Oogenesis, the process of female gamete formation in animals, involves meiosis (including meiotic recombination) of a diploid primary oocyte to produce a haploid ovum. Spermatogenesis, the process of male gamete formation in animals, involves meiosis in a diploid primary spermatocyte to produce haploid spermatozoa. In animals, ova are produced in the ovaries of females and sperm develop in the testes of males. During fertilization, a spermatozoon and an ovum, each carrying half of the genetic information of an individual, unite to form a zygote that develops into a new diploid organism.

provide 1 source that sex is contingent upon neurology

>>43056257
>strawman
I did a differential on schizophenia about a dozen times in my life. I was actually assessed for it by three different psychiatrists. (Gender dysphoria is no fucking joke).
I'm not schizophrenic, I'm not bipolar either in case you're wondering.

>>43056279
Answer the question that is asked of you.
Answer the question that is asked of you.
Answer the question that is asked of you.
Answer the question that is asked of you.
Answer the question that is asked of you.


Why are you here? What are you trying to achieve? What do you hope to prove?

>>43056295
>Genetic sex is established at the time of fecundation by the nature of the chromosomal composition of the spermatozoon, whether it contains a Y chromosome which has a dominant effect (23,Y constitution), or an X chromosome (23,X constitution). The development of such gonad into a testis depends upon the presence of the Y chromosome (59), whereas the absence of the Y chromosome will result in female development, irrespective of the number of X chromosomes (12,31,42).
Sizonenko PC. "Human Sexual Differentiation". Geneva Foundation for Medical Education and Research (GFMER)

I have proved that you are wrong and you cant provide a single source that biological sex is contingent on neurology

>>43056249
Yes you are trans but you are not, and will never be anything but your birth sex. You are male or female <3

>>43056327
That's not answering the question.
What is your actual thesis here?

I've been inferring that your thesis is that transgender people don't exist. Transgenderism isn't real.
Is that the case, or are you trying to prove something else.

Because at the moment all you're doing is proving that you can't comprehend basic science.

>>43056341
Okay well I was born trans so I guess my birth sex is female.

Cool.

>>43056353
KEKALOO

>>43056362
What? They were your conditions.
I've made my position clear from the start, I did not change my gender, I accepted it.

>>43056344
transgenderism does exist
transgender people don't change their biological sex
it is impossible to change your biological sex with present medical technology
biological sex is not contingent upon neurology

provide one source that biological sex is contingent upon neurology

>>43056353
is that what it says on your birth certificate :0 ?? is that what you were before you decided it? LMFAOOOOOOOO

>>43056367
you rejected your homosexuality which you found easier to sublimate into gender world

>>43055379
There are consequences for your choices troon.

Detroon and deal, use a bathroom and function in society.

Or continue and say Ack on the way down.

>>43056362
Incidentally, my birth sex is listed as female on my birth certificate now.

>>43056353
do you produce large i.e female gametes? if not, you are not female. do you have a Y chromosome? if you do your not female

>>43056369
>transgender people don't change their biological sex
CORRECT
Transgender people don't change their biological sex, we were always the sex we claim to be.

>provide one source that biological sex is contingent upon neurology
That one, right there, >>43055213
the one you didn't even fucking read.

Learn to think for yourself.

>>43056372
Yes

>>43056377
I'm not gay and never was.

>>43056379
I didn't choose this.
I would never have chosen it if I had a choice.
Being trans is a living fucking nightmare.

>>43056385
nta
>do you produce large i.e female gametes?
You do realize that a lot of XX women don't produce large gametes either, right?
Of course you do. But the purpose of you here is not discourse, but DDOS-ing troons.
To be fair, troons are also dumb for answering instead of doing the right thing, which is to hide the thread and move on and let you shout at clouds.

>>43056405
You did infact CHOOSE to inject hormones and larp as a woman.

You are a mentally unwell sick perverted man playing dress up and society is done with it.

We don't care if you rope, we'd prefer it actually. PDFs and sexual deviants of all stripes should be encouraged to rope.

>>43056385
Except those definitions do no explain transgenderism.

ANOTHER POINT YOU NEVER FUCKING ADDRESS.

In order for that definition to apply to humans you first have to ASSUME that transgender people don't exist. If you don't make that assumption, that definition stops making sense because it doesn't explain all the facts.

You then use that definition to prove that transgender people don't exist. The conclusion is assumed in the premise.
>Transgenderism doesn't exist because transgenderism doesn't exist

And all of that to substantiate an utterly fucking stupid semantic point about the definition of gender, which doesn't have any tangible outputs.
You can define my sex as green and your sex as red, what does that actually achieve? Nothing.
I still have to go to the doctor to try and get the damage done to me by testosterone undone.

>>43056434
its literally one autist who doesnt realize these people are brick walls who just want to circlejerk about the things they already believed and laugh at what they imagine is a gigahon seething back

>>43056405
that is not a source from a peer-reviewed journal about biology, that is a 4chan post. You are a male, you will always be male, transgender women are by definition male. ONE SOURCE you need to find one scholarly source, but you cant, because you are wrong, and you are male.

>>43056442
I'm not larping.
I was larping, and I stopped.

And I no more chose to take hormones than a surgical patient chooses to undergo anasthetic. Technically they can choose not to, but that's not a rational choice.

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>>43053377
Jews are 0.25% of the global population yet look at how much power they have. We just need to amass our limited wealth in order to build more wealth, then use that wealth to pay off politicians to become unquestioning pawns in our quest to take over the world and destroy those who have harmed us in the past (Christians, Muslims, Jews, etc)

>>43056457
Society doesn't care, nobody cares.

You're in the find out phase and we hope you rope.

>>43056449
Let her cook, I love seeing autistic people get passionate, it reminds me of the times when I used to have energy to live and bother with things

>>43056434
if you don't understand what gametes are and think they just = eggos you might think that because you are retarded person but large gametes are involved in the development of females through oogenesis and the development of oogonium cells from the third trimester

>>43056451
Peer-review doesn't mean what you think.
Science is not built on authority, it's build on the scientific method.
YOU PERSONALLY cannot dispute the science I presented to you, and none of the sources you've spammed even address it.

I don't need a source for axiomatic proofs, that's what axiomatic proof means.
And for everything else you haven't disputed a single premise, or holed a single syllogism.

You've just kept spamming a fallacious argument while ignoring literally everything else.

>>43056474
THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE?

>>43056475
This is literally therapy for me.

>>43056444
of course it does gender and sex aren't the same thing - you change your gender, you cant change your sex because it is impossible. You have a male sex and your gender is woman, hence you are transgender.

You need to provide ONE SOURCE that biological sex is contingent upon neurology, you need to find one scholarly source, but you cant, because you are wrong, and you are male.

>>43056503
your proof is contingent on something that empirically exists, the human biological system, your claims regarding the empirically existing systems require empirical evidence, otherwise you forfeit in pretense to science and your axioms are worthless

ONE SOURCE you need to find one scholarly source, but you cant, because you are wrong, and you are male.

>>43056540
No I have a female sex.
Because I have a female brain.

If you take my brain out and put it in another body, and then take the brain from that body and put it in my body, which one is me?
Someone elses body with my brain in it is me.
My body with someone else's brain in it is someone else.

Take your brain and put it in a female body, would you then be female? Or would you still be you, a male?

So there's the source. The human capacity for reason is the basis of all truth. All of human knowledge rests on this single principle. So all you have to turn your brain to think mode, I realize that's not something you're used to doing, and run that experiment yourself.

>You cannot change your sex
YES! I KNOW! I DIDN'T!
I just changed my appearance because I don't want to be this testosteronated monster. No woman would.

I was ALWAYS a woman. It is the ONLY LOGICAL CONCLUSION.

>>43056597
>Because I have a female brain.

doesn't matter, because biological sex is not contingent up neurology

>If you take my brain out and put it in another body, and then take the brain from that body and put it in my body, which one is me?

doesn't matter, because biological sex is not contingent up neurology

>Take your brain and put it in a female body, would you then be female? Or would you still be you, a male?

doesn't matter, because biological sex is not contingent up neurology

>So there's the source

Not a source, You need to provide ONE SOURCE that biological sex is contingent upon neurology, you need to find one scholarly source, but you cant, because you are wrong, and you are male.

>>43056594
Yeah okay, so lets apply that same logic to the gamete argument.

If sex is defined by the production of large gametes then all women should produce large gametes.

P1: I am female
P2: I do not produce large gametes
C: Sex is not always defined by the production of large gametes

>HURR DURR YOU'RE NOT FEMALE
See that's where you're assuming the conclusion in the premise. Transgender people can't exist because that would ruin all your theories on sex.

But I exist, and I'm transgender. So all of your theories on sex are wrong.

One piece of confounding evidence is all you need to disprove and entire mastery of work. That's basically the history of science.
>The universe isnt static because it's getting bigger
>The earth is more than 6000 years old because fossils
>Sex is not defined by gametes because transgender people.

That's how that actually works.

>>43056633
ANSWER THE QUESTION

If I take you brain and put it in a female body and then put a female brain in your body, what sex are you?
Find an academic source that can answer that question, or just answer it yourself, I don't really care, but answer it or admit you can't.

>>43056645
P1: I am female
is a false premise,
you can prove premise correct by demonstrating you produce large gametes and don't have a Y chromosome because that is what a female is but you cant, because you are wrong, and you are male.

>>43056671
I literally fucking addressed that exact argument the very next paragraph.
This is what I've been trying to explain to you the whole fucking time.

The only way you can reconcile your ideas of biological sex with the existence of transgender people is to assume transgender people don't exist.
But I do exist.
So your theories MUST be wrong.

There's it literally no other conclusions that can be drawn from the evidence before you.

>>43056660
the brain would be male and the body would be female because biological sex is determined by the presence or absence of Y chromosones and the production of large and small gametes, the body would reject the transplant and I would rapidly die because there is no currently existing medical technology to change a persons biological sex. If there was technology to change someones chromosomes from XY to XX and viceversa then you would be able to change your biological sex, but there isn't.

>>43056704
Okay, but I didn't "the brain" and "the body"
I asked which sex would you be in the 5 minutes of life before you died of this horrific surgery I kinda unironically want to do to you?

>>43056688
you didn't address it, transgender people can exist because they don't alter their biological sex, transgender women are males. they are males because they don't produce large gametes and have a Y chromosone. no medical technology exists to alter your biological sex. Your premise is flawed and the defence of your premise is reliant on circular reasoning.

>>43056729
the brain would have male chromosomes and the body would have female chromosomes hence the brain would be male and the body would be female, it wouldn't constitute a hermaphrodite because hermaphrodite is contingent on simultaneously producing large and small gametes which would result from that surgery.

>>43056751
Once again you assume the answer in the premise. You reject the world as it is with a whole bunch of Y-chromosome having small gamete producing women walking around, and substitute an ideal which trans women aren't real they're just males like any other male.

Obviously untrue.

And even if it were true you're still stumped by this problem >>43056729
Where in this case you're assuming the entity that is you does not exist. That if I separate the parts of you that nothing is lost.

The mental acrobatics you are having to endure just to maintain a theory that doesn't work in all cases honestly reminds of Laurence Kraus trying to dispute the big bang theory. Entertaining for a minute then everyone catches on to what he's really getting at and laughs him out of science.

And I gotta say I'm ready to leave it here. Thank you for being my intellectual punching bag. I couldn't actually be more certain of the truth of my position, but it's nice to work the kinks out of my prose.

Nobody IRL will actually face me because they know they'd lose.

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>>43055507
Because you fucked with my vidya and destroyed the scp community
I and the rest of the world won't stop until you are gone. Whatever it takes
You're losing. You are in survival mode.
Im striving and smiling watching you pay for what your community did to us

NOW RESPOND TO ME FREAK:
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT AS WE TAKE AWAY YOUR TRANNY JUICE AND WATCH YOU WITHER.

>>43056794
But what would YOU have.
It's YOUR brain, and YOUR body.

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>>43056828
THAT WAS JEWISH CIS WOMEN RETARD
I'M JUST AS MAD ABOUT STAR WARS AS YOU ARE!

You wanna burn some Jews Anon? Let's do it!

>>43053377
Most people can't afford hating on trannies anymore, that's entertainment for good times

>>43056821
im not stumped by the question at all because im relying on science and not facile undergraduate level prop logic that wouldn't make it out of an intro class

>In transplanted organs, the sex chromosomes
remain those of the donor, creating a permanent state of microchimerism (or macrochimerism), where the recipient’s body contains cells with different genetic material. The organ does not change its genetic identity to match the recipient.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2964270/

>>43056858
That's not answering the question.

I take YOUR brain, and I transplant it to a genetic female body,
then I take the brain from that body and I transplant it into YOUR body
What sex are YOU

So any answer you give should be formatted as the following
>I would be [gender] because...

>>43056828
>scp def fell off cause some tranny made a cringe oc trooncp that nobody read or something and not because 'tubers flooded it with a bazillion normalfags

>>43056915
Its that too, but what happened with the forced gay and Trans logo on every page is what caused us old writers to leave. And these evil trannies just deleted Dr Brights artworks and writings, labeling him as a rapist because of discord drama. Its Justin Roland all over again.

>>43057439
I don't have that particular autism, but I just want to say that I'm sorry that happened to you and it's not okay when your spaces get destroyed in the name of "progress" and "inclusion".
You deserve your spaces, and whenever I'm in one of your spaces I'm always respectful of your need for that space.
I promise that it is my HIGHEST goal that I support you and help you to thrive. Boys like you produce so much interesting stuff for the world and then the world turns around and punishes you for it and that's not okay.

I'm on your side, I promise. I really do care about you.
All I really want is for you to understand that I'm neurodivergent too.

>>43053957
>neuropathology
you do understand that most people don't think that far into it, you're just disingenuously projecting your own bullshit onto "normal people" to try and legitimize your pseudo intellectual blabbering

>>43053377
I feel like it's less throwing under the bus, of course some do, especially politicians and liberals
meanwhile others seem to co-opt the issues, make it about them, what they want to achieve, claim persecution that never genuinely applies to them, and add interesting flourishes to their own managed identity
so like u can't even articulate what the issues are before others will drown u out

Please someone trigger my autism, I'm sorry I won!
I don't want to feel this way any more.

>>43056513
To enjoy your suffering.

>>43058439
Well at least someone is enjoying it.

>>43056828
IDK man, probably sit back and enjoy watching you broccli bois and young millennials suck start your service rifles after a drone strike in Iran or China.

People like you are a self solving problem, we just need a big enough war and thankfully not only has T$ delivered that war but he also banned post ops and trans ppl on HRT from service.

Cope seethe and pray the Iranians don't set your final moments to some awful Phonk music.

>>43057439
>what caused us old writers to leave.
Which SCPs did you write? I may read them

>>43053377
Just repress like the countless generations of autogynophiles before you.

>>43056828
You know I really hope this is a bot response because if you're a real person who had their world view so completely warped by having "your" "vidya fucked with" and a pride flag where you think it shouldn't be, that's incredibly, deeply, sad and pathetic.

You're wishing an entire % of the population should be immiserated and genocided because Blackrock decided that the best way to eke out an extra 2% profit was to virtue signal in video games.

>>43058610
Hard to go back to the shadows if you've seen the sun just once

>>43053454
Every dialectical materialist knows trooning is absurdity

>>43058946
genociding troons would reduce homophobia by 500%
nothing to do with blackrock or money, it's the right thing to do

>>43058961
Oh hi gincel, get a life. Killing all trannies won't make your dad accept your gayness

>>43053603
this. focus on yourself and stop gaf

>>43053377
>Right wingers want us dead or at the very least excised from society
I’m not right wing but I don’t want you dead or excised. I just don’t want to have to pretend you are what you want to me. I’m tired of having to pretend that I don’t see a man when I look at you. I support you all taking HRT and “transitioning”, I wish trannies could be more honest and say “I am a man who wants to look like society's idea of a woman to ease my dysphoria” instead of “I am literally female”