Do you guys think systems (that newfangled multiple personality stuff) is real? I really, really try to be openminded but I just cannot believe you are really 5 discrete entities running on the same brain. Sorry I can't do it. It just feels so LARPy, like you can't imagine yourself as a multifaceted individual so you decide you're actually a bunch of different guys. I am open to being proven wrong but I don't even know how you'd do that.
>>43055656I think DID is a real phenomenon but there are a lot of larpers (bad).
>>43055672I am willing to entertain that possibility but the extent to which it has been codified and systematized really makes me doubt. Something as insane as multiple people in the same brain feels like it'd be way more weird and individualized, like how conjoined twins run a whole spectrum of configurations.
>>43055656well my opinion is that what we understand as personality is actually multiple facets of the brain with a singular illusionary whole, so the idea that there could be multiple is contrary, as there wasn't a singular to begin with
i think its always larping op
>>43055733also, the concept of repressed memories (which would have to exist in distinct alters) isn't actually real, at all, freud was wrong in this regard and so was induced memory recalland there's a link here with hypnosis, and a really terrible history in psychology with shitty false memory recall under hypnosis it's actually contrary to survival to repress memories, especially important or traumatic ones, as these would be the most existentially important and selected to be remembered so
it's not real. it's a cultural phenomenon limited to westerners. every clinical case is iatrogenic, meaning that "DID" only developed AFTER the counselor suggested it to the client.They are mentally ill, no doubt, but they're also faking.they are also so fucking annoying on discord. they always insist on using pluralkit to larp and talk to themselves. i wish they were at least embarrassed.
it seems to be concentrated in particular places, particular people, which seems odd, unless it can be caused by writing about the new gender you invented or arguing about problematic shipping
DID is clinically recognised but it's contentious and there's debate about itI dont recognise the systems or plurality shit in any meaningful way. I'll play polite as best I can but I judge you by how you move through and interface with the world - on that level, everyone is self evidently 1 discrete person. As a counter point DID is usually typified by breaks of continuity of consciousness - as in black outs when one of the alters takes over Most people who claim plurality don't experience the latter, and so their self conception as being different people is incoherent and delusional. 'You' are not the thoughts in your head, you are the thing that observes the thoughts and then to everyone else you are the behaviors that result from the decisions you make about what to do with the thoughts in your headI mean, we all create alter egos (usually subconsciously) for different situations. I behave differently at work or at home by myself or out in public or with friends. This is normal. Some people even do it more explicitly and overtly, think of drag queens or cross dressers who often talk about what they do as a distinct personality whilst still being grounded enough to recognise that what theyre describing is just persona and roleplay (I use that word neutrally) not discrete entities living in their headsLike you said, I think they just don't want to conceptualise themselves as multifaceted or can't reconcile conflicting parts of their identity and cognition. We all have identity problems to some degree at some point; a huge part of youth is ego formation and differentiation of yourself from othersIm trans, so Im familiar with people denying and doubting my self reported experiences of my cognition, but I also recognise that I could be wrong and decide instead that I don't care if my self understanding is delusional, Im happier and not harming anyone else, and mostly I dont care how other people see me, as long as they let me get on with my life
>>43056056>contso tldr, i think they're larping, and usually mentally ill, but not in the way they THINK they're mentally ill - its delusion and ego bullshit, mostly.i'm also open to being proven wrong! but frankly,>press x to doubt
>>43055656it's possible that DID is real but many psychologists think that it's produced artificially by psychiatric practices, or the patient essentially roleplaying due to being convinced they have DID. certainly if you're talking to someone online, and they're a teenager or lgbt it is 100% fake. If you meet someone who looks and acts like a schizophrenic and they tell you they have DID, that might be more believable.
>>43055656I do think it's definitely become destigmatised to talk about mental illness so some people are just finally able to be open. but I suspect most of them are very boring and willfully confuse having a multifaceted personality and desires with genuine catastrophic illnesses.
>>43056056it's unconscious not subconscious hello? can i complain to ur college? protest maybe?
>>43056198same shit different stink
>>43055834yeah i dont doubt that its a real thing to a lot of people but the thing about larping and it being induced by it being suggested from a professional is real. i had a babytrans friend a few years ago in high school and she was normal but had a growing list of traumatic experiences, then she started seeing this therapist that suggested she might have DID, then she completely fuckin gave into the whole "omg im a system!" thing, she made fucking twitter accounts for all her alters, and even switched up mid conversation with me and it was just oughhh the cringiest thing everr, and she kept doing this thing where every time a high stress situation would happen her alts would lose or gain abilities like its a fucking RPG(she was really into ttrpgs). it was the cringiest shit ever until she grew tired of it one day and just stopped the act, i played along with everything ofc because who knows maybe its real im not the beholder of personal issues. but real or not it was a little tough to stomach
>>43056224NO
>>43055656Treating DID exactly the same as treating trans is fucking stupid
>>43055656I think most systems that don't fit DID criteria are actually accidental tulpas
>>43055656it is real but EXTREMELY RARE and it is usually just "2 minds", havin more than 2 minds is EXTREMELY much more INSANELY RAREas >>43055672 said most of what you see are larpers almost allof themu can search "split brain phenomenon" which basically proves ur brain is actually 2 "you's" that interact very weirdly between themalso, I saw a while ago a vid kinda talkin about this more in depth https://youtu.be/wfYbgdo8e-8?is=1JYixrV2VwjBSBVf
it's real. people get actual amnesia. like they'll blink and they're in a different place. or they'll get packages they don't remember ordering, or things will be moved around.
>>43055656a lot of people in this space i used to be in claimed to have it. none of them actually have DID and most of them largely claim to have systems just as a social contagion or for attention.
>>43058224Supposedly our minds are actually different parts and our ego just treats them as the same person. DID would then happens when there's amnesia between them
>>43055656i have DID and its nothing like thinking of myself as multiple people because i want to feel special about my facets as a person. i have someone take over me when talking to people who knows different things than i do, usually more than me. i have regular blackouts, and sometimes its not like something completely separate takes over me but like i suddenly have different memories and act totally different but then i change back and lose all the memories again.most of this i know because people when i was hospitalised and my therapist told me about it.its not being multiple identities, its having your brain split apart with barriers. think cptsd the way someone can have memory issues and only remember their trauma and emotions when theyre triggered but on steriods
>>43058224its actually pretty rare to have only two, usually theres one or a few for trauma memories, one main person, and then there can be some sort of assisting or different memory holding parts.if the abuse and trauma was very intense and lifelong it can even cause hundreds because the "main person" gets changed out regularly to cope with the persistent shit going on
i feel like the ones who are on discord using pluralkit all are larpers, someone with genuine DID isnt going to be autistically switching profiles on a discord app when their disease kicks in
If you can believe you are one thing running on a brain, you can believe you are five things running on a brain
>>43055656Yes but it’s mostly blown out of proportion or misunderstood.I think systems are just inherent parts of anyone who has had multiple stages of personal development or minor trauma. It’s a normal permutation of human personality, development and compartmentalization in a complex social society. All the therapy around it does is give you tools to deal with it. It is different than DID where DID IS characterized by full blown dissociation between alters whereas standard systems are just having different “modes” roles suited to different roles. It only becomes a major problem when one of your “modes” has horrible habits or is actively working against the goals of the other alters/modes.
>>43060162Do you literally have no memories from split to split or can you recall pieces or stories you’ve repeated back to yourself but the memories themselves are fuzzy or mostly inaccessible?
>>43056056I met someone with actual, diagnosed DID once. She stressed that it wasn't AT ALL what it's like in movies. I guess if there's one movie that might accidentally have captured what it's actually like, it would be Severance?She doesn't think she has two different people in her head, she knows she's one person. The problem is that she has situational amnesia, so when she's in one situation/mode she can't access autobiographical memories that are limited to the other situation/mode and vice versa.At the time she was in therapy to try to cure it, because it's obviously distressing if you can't remember basic facts about your life half the time. In her case, like probably all of the legit cases, it was a coping mechanism from an abusive childhood that had outlived its purpose and become maladaptive.
>>43055656Nah dawg if they are self aware enough to know theyre a system then theyre full of shit. we all are naturally a system thats just the human experience youre not specifically for having ego death and seeing that
>>43058224Split brain only happens when you literally split the brain in half, because then each half has to try to act independently. There's no reason to believe that it indicates anything about how an intact brain operates. If anything, it proves that we normally are just one functional unit. If there were already two "yous" then splitting the brain shouldn't cause such a dramatic change in behaviour.
>>43055656Im a system, well kind of, for me it’s not exactly ‘multiple people share a brain’ its somewhat that and a lot of ‘one person split into dissociated fragments’. All fragments/parts are me to an extent but there is a lot of memory and skill loss between them. Tbdesu people focus way too much on ‘woahh there are multiple people on your head’ when for me thats just a side element, amnesia and memory difficulties and the extreme dissociation are much more relevant
>>43061236split means that a new dissociative part is formed, im guessing you mean switch/change where the one in control changes?in that case, it depends. sometimes i have actually no memory and dont know at all what happened, and only know that it happened at all because other people told me or something references it. this is the high barrier parts. then theres lower barrier parts where i might vaguely remember what they did, but they can still have different memories in the moment. like i remember the part doing stuff talking to people playing a game whatever, but the part themselves in that moment remembered things about the past that i dont remember.often its somewhere in between
often it is a knowing or having an idea what they did rather than actually remembering too. a bit as if someone told me and i wasnt there. but usually im just unintentionally in denial of the time having passed at all and just try to live on from my last point
>>43063657Yeah, I've heard it's genuinely really depressing. The situational amnesia - that's what I meant to say when I said "breaks of continuity of consciousness". I forgot the far simpler and more common term of situational amnesia, lmao my bad.
