How the FUCK did we end up losing everything this badly?
Because the new "trannyism" is a religion.Its tenets are as strong as the insistence of its members; they are true because they say so.And you can remove religious exposure from classrooms, I guess, so..
>>43060127decades of plans within plans by the heritage foundation and billionaires
>>43060142But it's not just about trannies but lgbt in general. That's the part lgb separatists don't seem to understand
>>43060127>wespeak for yourself LOSER
>>43060127Because the current President of the USA is the Beast from Revelation.Rev 13:3 NRSVUE "One of its heads seemed to have received a death blow, but its fatal wound had been healed. In amazement the whole earth followed the beast."
>>43060159I thought that passage referred to the Antichrist? Ngl, if trump winds up turning on Israel over the Iran situation I'm going to unironically actually accept Jesus into my heart before its too late
>>43060127"Trans" is a retarded lie, that's how.
why can't kids opt out of religious indoctrination?
>>43060530>Whatabout the other lying liar's lies?So you recognize there is a problem, that's good! We don't need to solve world hunger before addressing a leaky faucet. "Trans" indoctrination in our schools is a leaky faucet.
Youngshits should have been nicer to their repper parents but instead they mocked and belittled them and called them "unc" and "porn addict", basically just being assholes for no reason, destroying any chance of good will between generations.And now the chickens are coming home to roost. Future generations will be required to suffer as kids, because we learned that is how you avoid becoming a terrible person as an adult.Spare the rod spoil the child, wisdom for the ages.
>>43060572“trans indoctrination” information is literally just being informed about what trans people are. It’s not about enforcing everyone where cross-sex outfits, or everyone be forced to take HRT. It’s literally helpful to those who experience the same phenomenon (gender dysphoria) yet are confused on what that feeling is until informed. Trans adults didn’t start being trans when they came of age; they’ve always had dysphoric experiences but were left with no resources to explain lm what they were experiencing or how best to move forward with it.It’s like arguing gay people were never gay as kids, they just turned gay when they became an adult. It’s retarded logic meant to other and deny trans legitimacy and flies in the face of even current medical understanding of trans identities, brain sex, and best treatment paths for both adults and minors.
>>43060645Yes, and "trans people" AREN'T. That's the thing.
>>43060127Because men simply can't become women.
>>43060658How are trans people “aren’t” when evidence challenges you?>>42993503
>>43060572it doesn't matter if the faucet leaks if the water in the well is polluted. you can fix the faucet from leaking, but it doesn't matter when the water is no good. you still can't brush your teeth, let alone drink it.
Probably shouldn’t bet everything on team White Genocide. Who would have thought it would come to this.
>>43060695rational people
>queerphobes getting exposed for both their bigotry and low iq, while simultaneously boot licking the billionaire class
it's like pottery
>>43060645Gender is more of a psychological and social studies thing than pure biology
>>43060671A male with a "feminized brain" is a faggot you retard. Nothing about transgenderism is innate, it's something DONE, not something that IS.
>>43060730>female brained bottoms
>>43060127Now if only you could have consistently treated this as a medical issue rather than be useful idiots for the intersectional anticulture golems
>>43060127trannies confirmed for setting civil rights for the rest of the alphabet back DECADES just by virtue of being so entitled and obnoxious that they united ALL of their enemies against them!well done, loony troons :)
>>43060146This. The Supreme Court has a 6-3 conservative supermajority, and most of the right wing justices are corrupt partisan hacks. Court reform is going to basically be mandatory to reverse a lot of this stuff.
>>43060730>high school dropout can’t fathom the existence of trans brains, let alone neurology, psychology, or any other field of study that challenges his child-like perception of a simpler world with easy categoriesYour mindset is exactly why the world’s average education is decreasing.
>>43060127blame trannies and queers
>>43060811What is the difference between a faggot and a "trans woman?"The era he was born in.
>>43060769>is it the fault of the oppressors who manipulate the tribalistic simpletons in order to further their profit margins?>no it must be the minorities themselves at fault and not the billionaires or the puppets whom they manipulateHow often you use grok to think for you?
>>43060832nah it’s your guys fault for wanting to troon out kids
>>43060823>anyone that doesn’t fit my archaic categories defaults to faggotfinish your education please. or at least read a book.
>>43060832You are responsible for yourself, you have the free will to choose if you want to be the system's little useful idiot or notAnd if you chose DEI garbo and queerfabs over rational debate within civilised society then you also chose being an useful idiot
>>43060837>deepthroats the bootyes enjoy the last few years of an empire as it comes crumbling down due to your fears of diversity. You’re the equivalent of that comic of a MIGA whois homeless and broke but he holds up a sign stating “it was worth it to own the lefties.”Sit in the bed you made.
>>43060852Ironic coming from someone unable to self-reflect or check his own biases and echo chambers. You mention rational debate yet are quick to dismiss any evidence that challenges your world view. It’s quite literally summed in your mind as>it’s always been this way and anything that threatens this reality is fictionalYou’re unable to hold a rational debate to begin with, chud.
>average american 18 yesr old reads at a 4th grade level>their teachers spent the last 12 years ask them pronouns and explaining how men can get pregnant Education spending per pupil is at all time highs and results are at all time lows. Its time to kick the woke retards out of the profession.
>>43060872You're barking up the wrong tree, I'm as pro-trans as a chud could beThere could have been more people like me out there but that's not happening for the next few years
>>43060840We are mammals you absolute fucking retard. "Man" is a cultural category that has ONE PREREQUISITE, that of BEING BORN MALE.Pretending people can change gender isn't a question of education, it is indoctrination into an ideology that SAYS people can change gender. You see? It is a baseless assertion made to accommodate whinging self-hating faggots. Wake the fuck up.
>>43060894>education is at all time high>source?>my assFunny to make this claim when our own government gutting the education system. funny, how you make this claim when teachers routinely go on strike for better pay or to be able to cover school supplies for their students. Funny to spread this lie without any solid evidence and probably unable to take into account inflation comparison.Ah yes we’re some how paying educators strictly to teach pronouns and it’s bankrupting the system and dumbing the children. it’s not like there’s a correlation between children exposed to ipad parenting, or social media addiction, or a failing economy that removes the supplementation of parents tutoring their kids on schoolwork. No, it has to be the woke, nothing else!Absolute delusional.
>>43060914Can they change sex?
>>43060858i don’t mind browns or gays? they do not actively disrupt my life. you trannies genuinely suck and i can’t escape you
>>43060913>im actually pro-trans I just happen to support anti-trans rhetoric, and nor am I educated on the actual discourse from the perspective of professionals about trans people
>>43060127Our side lacked tactics and organisation, probably because a lot of us have learning difficulties
>>43060927Of course not
>>43060924This is so well documented i just assume you read someone say “they are cutting education spending” somewhere and thought it was true. Go to a board of ed meeting in your town/city or even their website and you can see this trend directly locally yourself.
>>43060127>opt their children out of being indoctrinated with LGBTQ+ propagandaWhat does this mean? Like they can't watch The Emporer's New Groove in class because Kuzco is kinda zesty?
>>43060939also we don't own several news outlets, unlimited money and blackmail on all relevant politicians
>>43060914>cultural categoryYes and that’s by visually presenting as the genre you identify as as well as fulfilling the typical roles society associates with said gender. You don’t ID people by chromosomes, you actually check if they have a broad shoulders, short hair, beard growth, muscles, and a deep voice for men. And noticeable chest, wider hips, softer features, feminine voice and longer hair for women.Animals literally change gender. Intersex exists in humans. You’re coping about the prevalence of gender dysphoria. So cope harder.
>>43060953it means teachers can’t tell kids “you might not be a girl if you don’t feel like one! what’s it mean to “feel” like a girl! well i do not know it means whatever you want it to mean ;;;;)))))
Meanwhile in US schools
>>43060951Yes and have we identified where said spending has gone in the educational field? Are we still ignoring the clearly underpaid educators in the field. The lack of resources in schools for learning? Have you found a direct connection between how money is being spent to specifically promote lgbt exposure in such a massive manner as to bankrupt the system? Or are you pointing to a graph and yelling what you believe it is without further research?
>>43060971>lets lie to kids and let them stay confused about dysphoria then act surprised when reppers and manners keep appearing out of nowheretake your L
>>43060986multiple problems can exist kids don’t need to be told that they might be trans or that trans can even be a thing
>>43060986Different topic. Absolutely willing to discuss it if you want to admit the statement “education spending on a per pupil basis is at all time highs” instead of pulled from thin air like you stated.Theres absolutely a reason spending is higher and yet teachers salaries are not growing. Would you like to discuss it?
>>43060998>deflectingYou still fail to point to how this supposed waste of money is as massive as you’ve complained it to be and exactly how that’s specifically pointed to just lgbt.You also continue to ignore that trans adults and gay adults were once kids; continuing to run with this assumption that sexuality and gender identity are choices while ignoring the scientific research disproving your claim.
>>43060645Kids aren’t sexually aware. I’m gay and didn’t realize till I hit puberty
>>43061015NTA. You seem to keep raising different random unrelated points which is called gish glosh. Trump is a famous gish glosher if you’re unfamiliar with the term
>>43061038They’re as aware as it is normal to associate straight kids doing straight acts. If you want to argue kids should not entertain any sexuality then don’t be giving free passes to heterosexuality.
>>43061042You’re attempting to discredit my arguments via misunderstanding the fallacy. When my arguments are directly relevant to the topics at hand and relevant when discussing trans as a topic of debate in multiple fields, aren’t misinformation if referencing said research papers. While you entirely rely on decrying your opponent as false from arguing the legitimacy of gender when your argument hinges that gender be interchangeable with sex.
>>43060967Humans aren't clown fish and misleadingly named "intersex" conditions are nothing but a spectrum of genital birth defects. You WANT to change gender, but you can't, and being able to trick someone into thinking you're the opposite sex is meaningless. A coat rack in a dark room can look like a woman, doesn't mean anything."Gender dysphoria" is a culture bound syndrome and social contagion, pathologizing angst and gender nonconformity.
>>43061084I dont see how per pupil is education spending being at all time highs is related to gender being interchangeable with sex. Can you explain?
>>43061085>want to change genderI already did change gender. If i’m getting correctly gendered by both transphobes and lefties, while have unfettered access to the same facilities as women, then I already changed gender. You’re hung up on gender = sex.>doesn’t mean anythingGets me treated as equally as the gender I prefer so I’d wager it means a lot.>attempting to discredit gender dysphoria when it’s recognized by medical bodies including the DSM-V, WHO, WPATH, etc.Just because it makes you uncomfortable does not mean it’s fiction.
>>43060823Sex-shifted ifof/female sized bstc? >faggots and trannies cannot coexist
>>43061085>genital birth defectsAlso called "anything i dont like is wrong and shouldn't exist and this allows me to ignore it">"Gender dysphoria" is a culture bound syndrome and social contagion, pathologizing angst and gender nonconformity.This would posess the same, incoherent meaning if "gender dysphoria" was replaced with "homosexuality/homophilia"
>>43061113Because the original argument being made in that chain is that informing children about the existence of trans and gay people is a waste of educational resources, when in fact it is beneficial and helps those children experiencing said atypical thinking to their heterosexual cisgender peers that they’re also normal and that it’s okay to experience what they’re experiencing. It’s related because it’s attempting to dismantle this understanding by stating gender = sex therefore transgender can not be a legitimate identity because you can’t change sex (when even that is arguable not true when secondary sex characteristics ARE sex characteristics)
>>43061117Not for long!
>>43061148>not for longAre we throwing random predictions? Okay!>Chud will be conscripted to die for Israel and the pedophile class
>rightoids and karens hassle the olympics to ban trannies>instead they ban intersex women, a vastly larger population who sometimes don't even know they're intersexSo many women are gonna get tested and find out and want to rope. I feel more bad for them than I do for us. There were barely ever any tranny athletes to begin with.
>>43060127honestly woke retardation and hons forcing everyone to recognize them as women. Lack of gatekeeping and restrictions on what it means to be a transwoman. And the gay propaganda way too obnoxious. We didnt need gay whoopers and burger king and faggots in every netflix show. The strategy was terrible and now the pendulum swings and we're fucked because of that. Fucking leftists ruined leftism
>>43061166>fault of the lefties and not Blackstone, Vanguard, or State StreetBot
>>43061146> informing children about the existence of trans and gay people is a waste of educational resourcesIt isParents could cover this by saying “sometimes men cut off their dicks and put on a dress and put things up their asses and say they are women”. Then the entire subject is covered, for free. What else do you want to be said besides some self bloviating “im so special cause im trans!” endless validation?Theres frankly nothing the public education system is obligated to discuss on this topic any more than furries or sneakerheads or whatever other special interest group you can dream up. There are clearly bigger fish to fry.
>>43061152How's the Dutch Protocol doing these days? Being halted? No evidence? Hmm... and how about all those gender clinics popping up across the country? Closing down? Impending lawsuits? Oh my my... trouble in paradise it seems.
>>43061210A trans people really getting BTFO all over? The world is healing
>>43061210>Being halted? No evidence?"If i don't like the evidence it doesn't exist">Closing down? Impending lawsuits?In which the judge directly admits doctors were correct but muh repubtards would cry too much?>>43061204>I should be able to indoctrinate my children as they are my property, wait noo why did they get GROOMED by college (aka learned my views were bullshit) waaaI will never understand americans
>>43061204It’s as important as it is to discuss black history and America’s role in slavery and consistent systematic oppression of black neighborhoods and life. It’s as important as learning about America’s needless invasions of Vietnam, Laos, Iraq, Iran, or the illegal activities conducted by federal agents in guantanamo bay. It’s important because it illustrates the kind of country we live in; why the Stonewall riots happened, how we evolved from making it illegal to crossdressing to promoting individualistic freedom.Parents, especially cisoids, aren’t going to have the wherewithal to educate a trans kid on what options they have growing up, or the fact that if they delay medical intervention they’ll grow into being a hon. Or the fact that later in life you can also get surgeries to help align your body with your mind.Parents aren’t an expert on this field and more often in practice inflict more psychological harm and trauma on queer kids than is necessary, and which could be alleviated if educators can share information regarding queer lives.
>>43061235If college or the public education system was successfully indoctrinating people youd probably have a lot less problems. Ironically having a retarded teacher ask kids their pronouns makes them mock you more. But dont worry, they have replaced fag with zesty. The euphemism treadmill continues
>>43061210Yes let’s ignore how South America or Spain or France or Thailand are with trans people.Get out of your echo chamber chud. Go travel the world and quit being a shutin neet.
>>43061210>Antitrannies really got btfo'd by any reputable medical organizations so they resorted to putting fingers in their ears and saying lalala were banning anyway we dont like you, then trying to have the gall to impose their retardation on other countries and having a meltie when they declined
Maybe tranners should’ve cozied up to the rightIn retrospect maybe the whole “were normal, not all of us are crazy” Blaire White approach was smart
English class derailed by attack helicopter jokes! Good job troons
>>43061249This is propaganda black to commit the most violent crimes like rape, murder, even muggings, and the left will always say socioeconomic factors to deflect from their abhorrent behavior. Black people have agency they are not puppets being controlled on strings blacks continue to do the worst in our country while Asians could come here with nothing and end up successful because they actually have a strong family unit and value things like education. Today the woke left will tell you things like math is racist because black’s do bad in academics, they’ll also say things like being on time is racist or a sign of white supremacy because blacks are never on time. It’s always about demonizing white people in their own countries in their own nations. The United States of America is a white nation founded by white men. We speak the white man’s language here not some African click clack bullshit. The most successful Black people all come from white countries because white countries are a platform for minorities to stand on. There is more opportunity in white countries.
>>43061271English is the label of the oppressors and colonizers. Its now “language arts”
>>43061228They are indeed! The whole malpractice will end before long, joining lobotomies and electroshock therapy as yet another example of historic medical scandals.
Uhm so why is this place actually full of homophobic and transphobic people instead of the actual targeted people.
>>43060150Same religion
>>43061345>two more weeks
>>43061266Blair white and others like her were still denounced by rightoids. There is no capitulating with transphobes that want to exterminate you.
>>43060671Those brain scan studies are low quality, high conflict of interest dog shit.At BEST tranny science is inconclusive and therefore terrible to make declarations and act on. Best you have is nothing but replication crisis garbage
>>43061402What's the conflict of interest?
>>43060127Because you’re very unlikeable and proud of it. That’s really it.
>>43061347If you go to a bar full of nazis and you dont leave, what does that make you
>>43061272>t. someone who has never been educated on the atrocities of AmericaIronic to talk about propaganda while spitting propaganda under the guise of white people being under attack. The same rhetoric always used when minorities are being lifted to be equal with white people, it is instead viewed as white people being brought down.Also great of you to claim Native Americans land as “white” country or even hint at it being great when America backstabbed the natives on their land deals. But continue spewing propaganda since you’re so politically captivated by it.
>>43061402Have you any other scientific research that is not bias yet is able to scrutinize against trans legitimacy? No? So we should just not use any evidence of best practices for help trans people? What’s that? You’re actually a lunatic who wants whole demographics of people killed?Opinion discarded.
>>43061437The country so bad millions if brown people spent decades flooding its borders
>>43060127Good. Im tired of the new age tranny shit. I miss when the slightest mention of anything trans related was labeled "sissy CD mental illness" threads. We need to go back to those times instead of entertaining their bullshit where they men pretend to be women and the rest of society has to entertain their delusion
>>43061402There will never be evidence because "trans" isn't biological. It's shocking that a cultural construct doesn't have a biological basis, I'm sure.
>>43061402>At BEST tranny science is inconclusive"Whatever i dont like isnt a result!!!!?!!"
>>43061457Yes it is still bad whe that same country is responsible for destabilizing the country of origin for those brown immigrants. Yes America must be held responsible you brainwashed lugnut.
>>43061402>>43061454Brain studies that trannies tried to prove to validate them just proved that trannies brains ARE noticeably different than cis people but their brains are still significantly closer to brains of their biological sex.
>>43061463>if I just ignore any possible evidence showing support for the opposing side it’ll go awaylike an ostrich with their head in the sand
trannies will just continue to lose and i love to see itLGB no T
>>43061488Glorious
>>43061484If you could actually read said studies it shows BSTc areas with volume closer to their identified gender. Have you taken any classes involving interpreting research papers? Were you home schooled?
>>43061471>all these countries collapsed because of the US!No, if a suitcase of cash from the CIA topples your civil service you didnt have a functioning civil service to begin with!
>>43061488>>43060811If you weren’t a psyop, this image would be relevant to any transphobic gays.
>>43061501Holy shit youre retarded lmao. You dont know how to read or interpret anything dude. No i didnt vet homeschooled i got a bachelors in business at a state school. Nothing fancy but even with just that i know the bullshit trannies try to use to justify entertaining their bs
>>43061504>if you didn’t somehow prevent our undercover agents from assassinating your political leaders, or take into account foreign agents psychologically manipulating your own people for the financial gains of said foreign country, then it’s your fault and not the fault of the aggressorSpoken like a rapist.
>>43061510Trannies are absolutely parasitic on the movement as a whole kekaroo gay rights were doing well up until like 2016
>>43061514>I know the bullshit I just can’t elaborate further on it.>Also anything that is positive for trans people should just be ignoredWow you totally sound like an intellectual who isn’t compromised by their own bias.
>>43061522You really got to stop getting your understanding of history from Reddit
>>43061528>completely erases the solidarity of trans people and gender non-conforming people with gay people throughout historyThis is why history covering these topics is relevant because idiots like you refuse to acknowledge reality that is counter to your fantasy.
>>43061529Not biased. Show me your studies and i can show you where i am right about everything i said. Youre a retard and ywnbaw
>>43061540>if I just keep denying the truth the I don’t have to argue my opponentContinue to expose yourself as the idiot you are
>>43061541Trans people were once understood to be homosexuals Now they are mostly just straight guys and gals You are parasites
>>43061484Retard
>>43061487Brother, man and woman are sex-based categories. "Trans" is nothing but reeeeing over this reality. This isn't a hard concept to grasp. Tranny "science" is ad hoc justification for "le gender affirming" lies.>I want, therefore I am.Nope.
>>43061546>yes we were shitholes before, and yes we will be shitholes long after youre gone, but its all your fault, we have no agency, we are hardly even human! Youre the only one who can bear any concept of self responsibility and moral duty, GIB GIB GIB
>>43061501>it shows BSTc areas with volume closer to their identified gender.Wow dude. A study mentions a few one offs. Meanwhile the rest of the study shows that the majority brain scans show more leaning toward biological sex. Fucking idiot
>>43061543Okay:>>42993503>>42993525>>42993512>>42993552You should scroll through all of the provided citations if you really give a fuck. Otherwise quit acting as an authority on the matter.
>>43061561>i cant disprove what you just said so i will say nothing and call you retarded.Thanks man
>>43061564Its true though, brown people are not human and you cant assign them blame for their lot any more than you can a dog in a kennel. Only whites and asians can recover from war, colonization by outside powers and political upheaval. Solving these problems for browns is the white mans burden. Theyre the only ones genetically capable
>>43061551>it was easier when I could fit these minorities in the few boxes I had. I don’t want to bother making more boxesSame argument as:>Black and Normal>Woman and Normal>Gay and Normal
>>43061569>firehosing irrelevant data rather than providing the requested study Typical trannism
>>43061584Whoa, based?
>>43061563>gender = sex rhetoric>>43060645pic rel is you
>>43061565>the existence can be discredited because it’s too small to careso we do the same with intersex? With left handed people? With red heads? Quit acting like they don’t exist. LGBT is a minority too, do they somehow not exit? Absurd logic.
>>43061588>ask for sources>can’t handle sources so deflectsI accept your defeat.
>>43061565>Faggot has a faggy looking brainHold the fucking presses
>>43061635Those arent valid sources lmao. Thats a link dump of irrelevant info to what the argument was(treatment outcomes guidlined and hormone effects) I think its you who doesnt know how to read studies dude. Most trannies are irrational so it checks out.
>>43061569No ones reading all this shit lmao. Provide a study backing up what u said earlier
>>43061664>>43061673>studies include said treatment outcomes, guidelines, and hormone effects>somehow can not be bothered to read even a single study due to fear of his world view being challengedRemain in your echo chamber and let your posts be a ward of how ignorant and irrational people like you are when it comes to actual research on trans people.
>>43061596Too bad, sex determines gender and complaining won't change it. Transgenderism was an attempt to rewrite this reality but it failed.
>trannies need to post studies!!!>im not gonna ready all atpottery
>>43061688>6th grade level understanding biologyplease just finish school
>>43061692>someone makes calid argument>tranny firehosing trauma dump anounts of irrelevant shitYup this is typical of bad faith retards(trannys)
>>43061705Hahaha a spelling error. Shame cuz you won the debate. Its done trannys cannot recover
>>43061705>the studies discussing trans brains, best practices, and effects of HRT are somehow not relevant to the topic of trans brains, best practices and effects of HRT
>>43061715The argument was that your trannywomen brain is significantly closer to a cis male brain than a cis female brain. You are pointing to one offs or coping with "well its still different" to justify forcing everyone to treat you as a cis woman(something youre not) and you havnt disproven anything i said but hide behind walls of links that dont matter to what i said.
>>43060127Because T tried to jump on all the success of LGB. And dragged everyone down.
>>43061733Dubs of TRVKE
Invalidate all trannies hopefully they can go back to being considered mentally ill and not their made up gender shit
>>43061749Intersectionalist idpol is dragging all of you down equallyLGBT drop the Q
>>43061704Transgenderism isn't biological.
>>43061733I WAS HERE HOLY SHIT BASED
>>43060127Its about damn time we can stop playing pretend
>>43061733 where were you when this dropped
TTD
A good thread
>>43060127I dunno but it is awesome
>>43060645>sex does not equal genderThis is what was taught a few years ago and it was generally accepted once it was explained. That's not what trannies assert now. Trannies now assert they are, in fact, changing their biological sex and are becoming wholly female by taking hormones.
I hope Trump finally nuts up and takes away all transgender healthcare + hormone treatments *and* also takes away all the "undetectable" AIDS drugs so all you fucking crossies and faggots alike can die slow in the same crab bucket and get tossed in the trash once and for all.
>>43061733it's joever
>>43061715>>43061704>>43061569Tranny ACKKK'D
>>43061704Transgenderism is the medicalization of gender nonconformity. It is not in itself a biological phenomenon.
Epstein really set you troons up for failure when he donated 500 million to trans "research", huh?
>>43060127>How the FUCK did we end up losing everything this badly?because a bunch of dumb fucks on the left decided voting doesn't matter at the same time a bunch of dumb fucks on the right didn't
>>43060127>wethe problem is that "we" tolerated faith
>>43061733I was pooping
>>43061733learn to read and you might be able to materially defend your own arguments instead of just spewing rhetoric
>>43061733>haven’t disproven behind the relevant links you shared that I refuse to review under any circumstances>still ignoring again said links providing backed research on why treating trans people as their preferred gender results to positive outcomes>”I refuse to read any of this!!”Can lead a horse to water but look at you choosing to die of dehydration.>>43061778>>43061909>isn’t biological>still ignores both brain scans or the fact that intersex people by default are trans as they have to choose a gender to conform tocope>>43061867>changing biological sexif it includes secondary sex characteristics then it by definition is a change of biological sex. I wouldn’t go as far as say it’s an entire change of the whole sex, but if we did have the ability to change chromosomes what then? Chuds would just move the goal posts once more.>>43061896Relax I went to get some food you psychopath :^)
>>43062088Not an argument and still didnt debooonk. Lmao. Trannies still got nothing
>>43062113>I can counter your argument by not reading the papersself-own
>>43062113you're just making yourself look even more stupid
>>43062133not an arguement
>>43060979>The handwriting
>>43062145>deflects
>>43062145that is true, I'm not arguing with you, just pointing out that you can't defend your own arguments and haven't even tried to
>>43062127I dont have to read off topic irrelevant stuff. You are firehosing irrelevant things rather than actually trying to argue against what i daid. You still havent addressed >>43061733
>>43062148How? Called out someone not addressing the argument and resorting to name calling
>>43062160what kind of esl are you, exactly? why don't you want to read any of the linked studies that support the more coherent anon's claims?
>>43062159I did though. You are just saying "nuh uhh" i made a claim and you havnt addressed it
>>43062180lol what? you made a claim and didn't defend it or address material evidence going against your claim
>>43062160I have addressed it, you continue to ignore it. You also reformulate my argument as invalid by stating none of the sources linked as relevant, when they are all directly relevant on the best practices for treating trans people, a recorded history of tracking and noticing differing brain sexes among trans people that brings them closer to their identified gender rather than their assigned sex. You don’t want to argue with any of it nor do your care about an actual debate and are instead here to spread an agenda. The rest of the readers see past your poorly veiled attempts.
>>43062176>rather than adressing the argument >youre ESL, please read the wall of text that doesnt actually matter to the claimBad faith again?
>>43062127>"Why would anyone need a gun?!?!"https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/26/us/texas-woman-killed-feral-hogs.html
>>43062201esl says what?
>>43062169It’s deflection when you’re unable to comprehend counter arguments or studies so you resort to just ignoring the argument altogether.
>>43062196>>43062200>>43061733Youre cooked dude. Still havnt adressed this . And you never will
>>43062214the studies provided do in fact address your claim and disprove it, one which you have not provided any evidence for yourselfcalm your little esl self down and read
>>43062203>this justifies school shootings and gun homicides in America
trans are bad
>>43062214Your inability to read said papers is a self-own.Cope and seethe
I hate trans so mucho jaja
>>43062230>>43062244>t. 8 tabs of trans porn open on their browser
>>43060127Awareness brings attention, and attention brings scrutiny. This was inevitable.
>>43062222Where does it disprove what i said.Ad hom again, thanks>>43062231>im not going to adress what you claim until you read irrelevant studies to waste your time rather than just disproving your claim like a good faith personExpected
>>43062251Racking up all these ad homs itt. Yummy. Still not an argument
so much reddit here
>>43062111Having a deformed dick makes gender biological? Really? The brain scans that rediscovered the same homosexual characteristics that were documented decades ago? Brother, you are copeless.
>>43062272Your wasting your time. Trannys cannot refute that. just leave fag
>>43062259>said studies literally describe the outcomes of supporting trans people transitioning and the positive effects they have while also recognizing the extremely negative effects of conversion therapy as the alternative>Said studies provide a plethora of studies on brains scans for neurological basis of trans brains being closer to their identified gender than their assigned sex>Studies also provide effects of HRT treatmentIgnore all you want, but the rest of the lurkers can read the papers themselves, form their own educated opinion on this discourse and rightfully recognize you as someone that is disingenuous.
flailing like this is so bizarre and humiliating, idk why chuds think this is somehow winning an argument...
>>43062251Why do trannies do this? When they vent they resort to "heh you actually like trans porn" as if it makes them look any better. Dude you are a fetish no one cares gender shit is fake. We only tolerate you because some dudes are horny
>>43062296>chud lacks the iq to extrapolate>intersex gets assigned a gender at birth>this assignment is instantly invalid as it does not reflect intersexed individuals with undescended testes, or mosaichism presenting dual genitalsIgnorance is bliss
>>43062298>>said studies literally describe the outcomes of supporting trans people transitioning and the positive effects they have while also recognizing the extremely negative effects of conversion therapy as the alternativeIrrelevant. To my claim>>Said studies provide a plethora of studies on brains scans for neurological basis of trans brains being closer to their identified gender than their assigned sexLink of this? And mot some other bs i didnt ask for> studies also provide effects of HRT treatmentAgain, irrelevant to what i said. I dont care about this.Stay in school. You obviously dont know how to argue
>>43062320>transphobes have nothing to say beyond “trans bad”>it’s somehow inaccurate to assume these same extremists who go to an lgbt board to air out their rent free tranny thoughts as not connected to a twisted obsession towards sexualizing said minority.Why do you have to be so against education?>trannys must all look like honslol
complete trans death. Sooon
>>43062368buddy who the fuck are you talking to? I never said any of this shi. Go away tranny dttm
>>43062374>>43062386Trans are delulu and make up shit. They hear voices in their head and bring up stuff no one said
>>43062359>>43062386I meant to say >>43062399 to yalNot >>43062374
troon genocide when?
>>43062359r/atheism doing the lords work
>>43062359>irrelevant to this narrative I’m openly pushing that legitimizing trans people is harmful for society when these studies show the opposite>where are these links about brain scans that are not provided by the quote you provided>I don’t want to go through it all because I actually don’t care enough to sift the clearly labelled “Citations on neurological basis for gender identity” with links tailored specific to my questionA baboon you are.
>>43062332Are you arguing that reconstructing the genitals of intersex people is "trans?" Is that all "trans" is? That would be fine, I imagine being born with a deformed dick would suck. Good thing it only happens 0.002% of the time.
>>43061733>>43062359 ts dude still cooking? BAsed
>>43062466>is restructuring the genitals of intersex trans?Yes>Is this all there is to trans?No>Good thing this rarely happensYes and how rare are trans people? 1% of the population? Smaller if we take into global statistics?
Tranny chatgpting some comebacks. Its prob returning "sorry hes, right youre fucked tranny"
>>43062468>Ignoring studies is based because it promotes my ideologylol /poltard/ do you also use LLMs to think for you?
>>430624840% of the population actually. Nobody is "trans," it is a contrivance.
>>43062498Everyone who disagrees with you is automatically a poltard now . Youre chopped lmaooo
>>43062499>a dude refusing to read any studies relevant to what he requested is “owning”
>>43062374Soooo true kiwisister, I can't wait to gossip about permaonline people and call them all pedophiles without any proof!
>>43062508>minorities aren’t human only white people aresounding a lot like a nazi rhetoric>>43062510>anyone who disagrees with you is a pol?Anyone allergic to education is a dumbass, aka /poltard/ so yes
>>43062466*0.1%, retardsame percentage as actually transitioning trannies>>43061733>trannybrain is still significantly androgynous after 20+ years of testosterone impacting it>hurr its not le 100% female so its le bad and i wont read itAre you 3 years old?>>43062359NTA but you clearly can't either>I will refuse to read anything i dislike or disagree withKys
Bro im high wtf hahahah. Are like trans just done nowI want them dead
>>43062528Still rent free for the rest of humanity’s existence. Enjoy the ride!
>>43062523Is the poltard in the room right now?? Bro wtf is wrong with you? Oh you r trans ahahhh
>>43062523A malpractice is not a minority.
>>43060142You just be saying shit
>>43062541>completely ignoring the crossover of poltards and brigading lgbt board to spread disinformation about trans peopleYou’re a sunfish.
>>43062542Your obsession with not accepting the positive results of GAC does not dictate it as malpractice, it’s your delusion about what you find acceptable vs what you don’t.
>>43061412never adressed btw>>43061679never adressed>>43061124never adressed>>43061144never adressed>>43061259who will guess?>>43062466>reconstruction is when you unnecessarily operate on an infant and give them urinary/sexual problems for lifeThere's a reason surgery on neonates is usually avoided
>>430625270.018% is the currently accepted estimate
Men pretending to be women
>>43062566Nah it's objectively a malpractice. It really is over, you know.
>>43060127We should put a ban on telling children about LGBT or religious subjects and see what happens.
>>43062609>its objectivehow?>it just isok so you’re a literal basement dweller offering his homeschooled opinion. lmao
>>43062359bro you lost it's ok
>>43062571no the fuck it is notIt has been criticized multiple times for not only omitting disorders explicitly adhering to the criteria, but also overwhelmingly focused on XY disorders while completely forgetting about XX versions of them, something definitely not connected to the creator of the percentage being a chauvinistic christnigger advocating for "sex separation in schooling"Actual percentage for genital intersex cases is estimated to be 0.05-0.1%, when accounting for everything the guy missedFausto-Sterling estimate of 1.7% uses the more lenient estimate, however given that practically all included conditions are congenital (either by genetics, or by chromosomes), cause infertility and a mix of secondary sexual characteristics, it is a valid estimate to use in my opinion
>>43062459Hey ignore the other retards i was busy getting food too like u tranny. And here is a study supporting my claim. Unlike you i actually address claims and am not a bad faith tranny . A simple google seatch could show you thishttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8955456/"The brains of transgender women ranged between cisgender men and cisgender women (albeit still closer to cisgender men)""brains of transgender women would be classified as less male-typical than brains of cisgender men but still more male-typical than brains of cisgender women."So if anything you could say that it shows you have a unique tranny brain but it is still significantly closer to a cis male brain than a cis female brain.
>>43062621Do no harm, nigger. You are cutting off healthy body parts and artificially inducing hormone imbalances just because our society decided it'd be fun to pathologize gender nonconformity for awhile. How retarded do you gotta be?
>>43062669Put a fork in it . Its done the tranny is cooled I REPEAT THE TRANNY IS COOKED
UwU will i be safe tho?
Trans is Hard Job
It is PERMANENTLY over for trannies. Never take one seriously lads
>>43060645There is 0 evidence for brain sex. There are no genes that make you gay. Transsexuals 50 years ago reported no symptoms of what people call "gender dysphoria" today. Total transmed death.
>>43062703Maybe. But not this one
good
>>43062669> To be included in this study, participants needed to self-identify as transgender women, report no history of hormone therapy, and declare the intention of undergoing estrogen replacement therapy.>Six transgender women reported to be androphile (attracted to men) and 18 transgender women stated to be gynephile (attracted to women). The mean age of the transgender sample was 45.7 ± 13.8 years (range 23–72 years). >20-70 (most usually FOURTY) years of testosterone>sample 75% ageepees who were too retarded to figure out diy>still a clear difference from cisgender male brainNot an own you think this is, anon
>>43062772So youre going to throw them under the bus when the results dont agree with your dumbass. You dont know that for sure if theyre all agp shit they are only when you want them to be apparently. Okay nice to know lmao.
>>43062772didnt know you also disagree with scienceYour mindset is exactly why the world’s average education is decreasing =)
>>43062787>throwing under the busdid you even read my response, you fucking retard? Not even going to respond to this bullshit, reread then i may do that
>>43062772burrruhhhh youre cooked
>>43062798also pathetic samefaggotry nigger
>>43062802>im not gonna talk to you lalalalala I wasted my time today
>>43062812this is an old cope btw
>>43062737false, true but not relevant, falsefalse
trooons on suicide watch..... as always
>>43062669dmn when was this out? I would hate to be a tranny rn
>>43062818>>43062826>>43062843if you want a response learn how to read
>43062858not even giving a (You) to this one attention seeker
>>43062669Baffles me you have the gall to assume your not disingenuous/bad faith with your (one) study while ignoring the providing list of links challenging your argument. If you read the paper (as the other nona pointed out), the trans subjects themselves were required to not be on hormones yet simultaneously are ensuring decades of testosterone affecting their brain chemistry. If the argument is that hormones have no affect on the brain gender identity then they should include trans people undergoing HRT. If the argument is that hormones affect the gender identity, then they should be restricting the study to adolescents where hormones aren’t naturally introduced as to define gender identities/whether or not trans people are closer to the gender they identify as.Instead we get a mocked study relying on a possibly compromised sample size as it better fits with the agenda of “see trans women have brains closer to men than women!”i don’t know how often I have to keep linking you the studies you can check yourself (40+) but here is a collection of them:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9KKqP9IHa5ZxU84a_Jf0vIoAh7e8nj_lCW27KbYBh0/htmlview?pli=1#gid=0
>>43062670So when a surgeon cuts into a patient to repair a heart valve that’s doing harm? When a woman experiencing menopause is on HRT that’s doing harm? When men with gynecomastia get a mascetomy that’s doing harm? You aren’t the arbiter of what does harm and what does not. Especially when studies show that GAC reveals positive outcomes for trans people: >>42993512
>>43060127People who sat out the last presidential election because they disliked both options played a part in this :)
>>43060127how is it about religious freedom when it's the parents deciding for the kids? seems like the kids have no freedom in this>freedom is when i decide which books my kids readseems more like authoritarianism to me
>samefagging this hard only to give up in the endlol
>>43063579Kids are agreed bipartisanely to have very limited agency anon. That's just the way it is.
>>43062838this delusion is why you newgen transgenders will never have rights
There don't seem to be too many burgerlanders here so I'll spell it out for all of you:The US allows parents to remove their children from any class or subject matter they find icky without question, so long as they can get a priest to validate their emotions. That's it. "No state religion" and "parental rights" mean you can choose to prevent your kids from learning arithmetic if you're so inclined. In much of the country, parents routinely remove their kids from classes that mention evolution as a fact, because it offends the parents.
>>43060127>PRAISE GODIt's a shame the reddit atheist went extinct, he was a natural antibody for this sort of dumb fuckery. But he cringed a bit too close to the sun and then either fell down the anti-SJW or SJW rabbit hole and we never truly knew what we lost until dumb fucks like this came back like a long forgotten tumor that metastasized again
>>43060127Come to Brazil, we have Erika Hilton, Duda Salabert, Laerte Coutinho and other incredible trans women, all in positions of respect and power. Transphobia is a crime, and Lula will probably win the election. Glory to Lula Molusco and to homo/transnationalism. :3
>>43062670you very obviously want to harm trans people, nobody believes your concern trolling bullshit when it's side by side with TTD posting
>>43060127nothingburger unless you're retarded enough to legitimately believe the rhetoric about kids being turned trans from seeing a cringe flag at school>wego back
>>43061085If it were culture-bound, the scores of psychologists working on it back in the 40's, 50's and 60's would have found a way to cure genuine gender dysphoria. Psychotherapy did not cure it, psychiatric medication did not cure it, not even electroshock therapy could cure it. That's why gender affirming care became the standard. Those guys weren't woke, the civil rights act hadn't even been passed yet. They were old white men from another age who smoked in their office and were most likely further to the right than you are. They just realized that there isn't a way to unravel the thing, It can only be managed.
>>43060127Blm riots
>>43060572You should make your neck a leaky faucet
>>43060127Why is this an issue? Have you not seen any of those videos of parents at PTA meeting reading the lgbt stuff they push on their kids? It’s gross and sexualized as fuck. They always tell the parents to stop because it’s inappropriate.
>>43060127Thanks trannies for fucking it up
>>43065529gender affirming care became standard because lobotomizing gays outright became unfashionable and convincing them to castrate themselves under medical pretense does the job almost as well with less effort and backlash
>>43061488Damn right. I am so sick of them!
>>43061266It's an infinite contraction, the moment they get serious power they "realize" they're too good for that kind of degenerate support and paint them as demons, and when they're gone they go for gays and when they're gone etc etc
>>43060127Theyfabs, it's theyfabs. As they're the one who makes the whole LGBT"QIA++" into a trend and guess where they are now. Nowhere to be seen as most of them have just simply detransitioned and housewife maxxing as it's the new hottest thing in the block. Remember, tranders are NOT your allies and one must have to either be on HRT or have to incentive to go on HRT to be trans.
>>43061564generations of foreign extraction and coalition states agreeing to only interact with their economy through predatory loans the size of the moon wouldn't hurt anyone, that's why the u.s. is doing so great right now, debt is actually good just do advanced stuff and make science your bitch.
>>43067559>waa muh fag spermies!!!Hi gincel
>>43060645>"trans indoctrination” information is literally just being informed about what trans people areShould we also inform them about people that like eating shit as their fetish?
>>43065529>It can't be culture-bound because... because they would've fixed it, ok?Weak cope broIt is a culture bound syndrome, in any other place or time your "gender dysphoria" would be angst, or depression, or self-hatred, but here and now you are given the lens of "gender dysphoria" from which to view your discomfort.
>>43069425Still can replace the gender dysphoria with homosexuality and makes as much sense
>>43069145Are people with shit eating fetish suffering when they don’t express their desire? No. Do trans people suffer when they’re denied information on what they can do to improve their lives? Yes.Your problem is correlating lgbt as a fetish instead of as an important identity that causes harm when that identity is systematically oppressed. You’re not being clever.
>>43069425You constantly assume its equivalent to these other comorbidities yet STILL ignore the reality that even under extremely anti-transphobic facilities they attempted to use treatments that were against GAC: anti-depressants, anti-psychotics, electroshock therapy, conversion therapy, lobotomy. And you know what the results were after that? The quality of life for the trans person was undeniably poorer in quality. Compared to modern day GAC where outcomes revealed positive benefits (which you can even verify with the citations provided here:) >>42993512
>>43060954Why wasn't DIY info systematically networked outward through support groups after the Keira Bell ban? Why have most Welsh trans people I speak to never heard of Trans Aid Cymru? Why is there still no centralised 00s-style forum for discussing trans surgeries? We can only shirk responsibility so much, there's more we could be doing to build ourselves up to a better fighting stance.
>>43069869diy networks are stronger than ever though
>>43060625^This basically.Youngshits (not just the trannies, but nearly all youngshits) have been belittling their elders to an extent basically never seen in history.The "uncs" obliged and let them be. Fine, you know better (or so you think). You do you.Oh, what's that? Things didn't work out because you thought you know one year into transition better than me 17 years into this? Oh my. What a shock.The elders have been thrown out from queer spaces over a decade ago. Nobody believed us when we warned about the consequences.
>>43069882they’re like tight-knit! how the hell are outcasted trannies supposed to get in them if they weren’t already a part of the active community to begin with??
>>43069989You can literally google "diy hrt", find the necessary resources and be ready to order within an hour
>>43070036those internet surface level options are being cracked down like at this second. ogl, otoko, and like handful of others have gone into hiding. There’s a couple (way more expensive) options available but even those are on a ticker. I’m sayin where else is there to go?
>>43070074suppliers come and go, it's always been like that in that environment. even if they somehow all fail, there is resources on homebrewing too. diy has never been more accessible and that probably won't change that much in the near future
>>43060645
>>43067559AGPs have little in common with gays and HSTS still exist despite widespread gay acceptance.>>43069425>shitty Helen Joyce argument Transsexuals have been described in western medical literature for over a century. And if it is culture bound, why does it keep coming up in so many cultures? Even the medieval Islamic world had trannies. They called them mukhannathun, and they even culturally differentiated them along AGP/HSTS lines for circumstances like who could be in a harem and who could not. Go look up Elagabalus and tell me she doesn’t sound familiar to you. Why did the exact same phenomena happen in the modern west?
>>43070280People wanting to pass themselves off as the opposite sex is of course not unique to our culture.Pathologizing gender nonconformity is unique to our culture, however, and is only a recent development."Trans" as an illness and "gender affirmation" as the cure are both culturally bound with no objective reality.
>>43070823Gender dysphoria is the condition. Tran is the identity, same as how Cis is an identity. Neither are in and of themselves an illness. We do not call a cis woman “ill” when she desires to remove her beard hair, or get BA because she’s self-conscious about her chest, or gets facial surgery if she has the jaw structure of Olivia Wilde. We don’t call cis men “ill” when they invest in hair regrowth to combat male pattern baldness, or who pursue mastectomies to treat gynecomastia.You have this obsession to call Trans an “illness” because it’s different, you lack an in depth understanding on the experience and history involving trans people, and it’s also a symptom of you being manipulated by those who can control and influence the media. You are politically captivated whose longing for a dream like traditional time where “cis white hetero men were the majority and everything else was secondary to our greatness.”There’s no reasoning with people like you who have no desire to learn and grow but only want to regress and demote everyone who is not in your demographic.
>>43070823Pathologizing gender nonconformity is not at all unique to our culture or time, and the narrative of a highly gender non-conforming person feeling compelled to transition to meet cultural expectations really would only apply to the HSTS demographic anyways, but not even that holds up. Kathoey are accepted in Thailand - why do they medically transition if their gender nonconformity is accepted? Why did Elagabalus seek sexual reassignment in antiquity when she lived in a completely different culture and time?
>>43062225very nice. now lets see per capita.
>>43060127Decades of coordinated efforts by various right wing institutions to undermine and usurp the frankly paltry progress this country made towards being an even remotely equitable society. It dint help that the “opposition” party was basically the same, so either ignored or actively contributed to the dismantling of the state because they thought 13 feral hogs in Ohio would maybe consider voting for them
>>43060142Some the same school of thought insisting science is a religion
>>43076107Given the replication crisis, a lot of science is in fact not different from a religion atp.
>>43067103BLM didn't break into the fucking capitol to prevent a peaceful transition of power or call people up to beg them to change the numbers
>>43076391Not for lack of trying https://www.reuters.com/article/world/uk/violence-flares-in-washington-during-trump-inauguration-idUSKBN1550CW/Let's not pretend shitlibs aren't shit people: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/protests-build-capitol-hill-ahead-brett-kavanaugh-vote-n917351It's just that their funding has run out. The glory days are over. But back in their glory days they did this very often - https://www.mprnews.org/story/2008/08/29/protesters-cause-capitol-building-to-be-locked-downYou just didn't hear about it because you're too young, or in an information bubble or just a garden variety partisan shill.
>>43076503Don’t be disingenuous with the comparisons.This link: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/protests-build-capitol-hill-ahead-brett-kavanaugh-vote-n917351amounted to protestors AT WORSE kneeling in front of the steps of the building before being detained and processed without a violent outbreak.This one: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2008/08/29/protesters-cause-capitol-building-to-be-locked-downis summarized by a quote from the article:>The entire scene ended without incident when the Chief of the Minnesota State Patrol Mark Dunaski arrived and asked the group to leaveYou at best have a point with the first link and the people protesting djt’s 2017 inauguration. But even that doesn’t hold a candle to a full blown occupation of the capitol. Get your shit straight.
>>43060142tis a shame. That we live in such a moralist society that LGBT decided we had to define ourselves by some justifications. Justifications are meaningless and for losers. I transitioned because it made me happy to do so fuck retarded as activists and phobes for ruining this.
>>43060967NTA but scrolling through this thread and the fish thing is an awful argument. There's literally zero mammals on earth that are capable of sequential hermaphroditism, or functional hermaphroditism in general. Gender dysphoria, as far as I understand it biologically, is an entirely different thing that generally has to do with brain structure and/or it's reaction to hormones. Tbf I might not understand gender dysphoria too well but please, please don't use the fish example just for future reference. It's a really, really bad argument and is just begging for someone to point out the flaws of it to discredit the rest of your argument. Intersex is fine though, and is a good argument to continue working on because it is a real thing that can happen to mammals.
>>43060127nobody has lost this badly since trump lost to iran
>>43076391BLM only committed fraud and never actually did anything worth while. All virtue signaling like most leftist
>>43078144>committed fraudwtf are u talking aboutblm is not even one entityalso, what kind of fraud? tax fraud? and why are you still mad about this old shit? have you been living under a rock the past couple years? for the better or worse, BLM has been largely irrelevant for a while now
>>43075983>republitard whenever it gets btfod "muh ber capitaa"
