I feel like people don't understand this word. I keep hearing of people feeling dysphoric because they got misgendered, or because they saw themselves in the mirror and hated themselves. That's not dysphoria. It's not fun, but that's not the dysphoria. The dysphoria is the complete dysfunction that happens to a transgender person when they repress. They lose the ability to live, to take care of themselves, to function in society. They get angry for no reason, they seal themselves off for months or even years, they don't bother with personal hygiene. The incel who lives in his parent's basement posting racist shit on /pol/ is clearly experiencing some kind of dysphoria. The theyfab who is arguing with her mum over getting her eyelids peirced is just weird. Learn the difference.
>>43088134oh dear lord another bump limit thread about semanticscan we not?
>>43088159We can't not no. And come on, the amount this word is getting misused at this point is well past an acceptable limit.
>>43088134>The incel who lives in his parent's basement posting racist shit on /pol/ is clearly experiencing some kind of dysphoria. i am living my best life, don't judge me
>>43088134Me before hormones...
>>43088359Yeah exactly, that's the point. You're experiencing a form of dysphoria that is treatable. We treat itYou don't experience the dysphoria any more. That's how medicine is supposed to work.
>>43088134Yeah i haven't really had dysphoria ever since my hormones stabilized. Its just run of the milk suicidality at this point
>>43088388*hugs you*I hope we're both still alive in 10 years and things get better for us.
>>43088178truly they never saw you coming, thank goodness you're finally here to put a stop to this madness once and for all. words will finally mean something again after all this
>>43088134You're describing me, but I'm not trans I just got molested as a kid. I can see some value in keeping the term separate, but I've always just thought of it as dissociation or something like that.
>>43088436Well that's PTSD. But you can see there's a lot of crossover. The difference between stress disorders and dysphoria isn't much.
>>43088134This just makes autistic faggots think they exaggerate their feelings about their gender, to justify them transitioning.And it makes more insecure faggots, like me, struggle to understand what's the right path for them. My "dysphoria" was a frustration with being perceived as male, which made me hide my personality and body, and a jealousy of women that made me not want to interact with them. I medically transitioned, love the results, but I still doubt my decisions for exclusively social reasons, which has made me want to detransition in recent months.
>>43088531>I medically transitioned, love the resultsOkay so you treated what you thought you had, and you got better, that means what you thought you had was what you had. That's called science. Hypothesis-experiment-result-theory-repeat. >I still doubt my decisions for exclusively social reasons,Why tho? You literally know the treatment worked? This is how I knew I was trans, it was an empirical improvement in my quality of life from pre-transition to post-transition. I did what the science said and it worked. And while I haven't fully detrans, I have gone off my AA once (just because I hated the side effects of spiro), testosterone came back and with it the dysphoria. That's as certain as it's possible to be about literally anything, if reason is the basis of truth and the universe is as I experience it to be, I'm am a transgender woman.
>>43088134This is why I’m faketrans, what I have that people call “dysphoria” has never reached this level of severity. Thank you anon for saying what needs to be said
>>43088566I unfortunately will never understand how people like you can be so confident in their decisions. I've had tics since I was born and still can't admit to myself that I have tourettes. It's even harder when it's a deliberate choice you make, and your only barometer is how you "feel" about it. I have too little self-esteem to figure that out for myself
>>43088579You're welcome. Have a good life tho. Be your best self and stuff. It sucks to be trans, it's a good thing you're not. Like if you've found a niche in society where you're just like super faggy and stuff, you do you. All I ask is that you spare a care from time to time for the trutrans who literally do not get a choice in any of this.
>>43088566I had the same experience when I was switching from testosterone to bica
>>43088605I guess the difference between you and I is I've studied the philosophy of science. When I say this > if reason is the basis of truth and the universe is as I experience it to beThese are the foundational assumptions of all truth, even most scientists don't know what I'm talking about. I take these on faith, I can't actually prove them. So I have a very specific definition of certainty. I'm real 100%God is real 99.9%I am a transgender woman 97.8%The reason I don't fly off the face of the planet is gravity 95%Certain is a relative term, but if you wait for 100% certainty you'll wind up in solipsism, which is boring.
>>43088645I genuinely wish I understood that as clearly as you seem to. I am genuinely just fickle. If I had to put a value on the decisions I make, they would all end up at 50/50
>>43088733Bretty girlbrained ngl.
>>43088733Mood
>>43088755I'm not trying to play games. Your post resonated with me because Ive been struggling with my own sense of self for a long time and I still don't feel any closer to understanding myself or what I want out of lifet.>>43087948
>>43088772I'm not a therapist, I'm a philosopher, and you need a therapist. But I love you and I want the best for you no matter what you are. Also I will say that I think st4t relationships are inherently dangerous to both parties and should be avoided as a rule. But that's just my opinion.
>>43088579It never did for me either but I'm pretty sure that's really just because I have low T
Actually gender dysphoria has very clear and specific diagnostic criteria.. it's its own thing
>>43088988>Actually gender dysphoria has very clear and specific diagnostic criteriaClearly none of us here understand what that is
>>43088134>the definition of this term isn't the commonly accepted definition used by every tranny since the beginning of time but in fact some random bullshit i made up that's vaguely based off the google ai overviewthanks for this stunning contribution to the board anon, i'll make sure to learn the difference.
>>43089096Good.
>>43088134thanks
>>43088605> will never understand how people like you can be so confident in their decisions. [...] even harder when it's a deliberate choice you make, and your only barometer is how you "feel" about it. I have too little self-esteem to figure that out for myself.Mood. Im also super insecure in general as well as about my decision to start E.Makes me scared im "actually cis" or sth and will regret starting E, despite mostly liking what it does and generally being a good chunk happier with myself and my looks than before.
>>43092448Why would it be a big deal if you regret it? Every decision is risk management
>>43092458Im scared of having to get top surgery.Plus just the general fact that coming out to everyone as trans and then backpedaling on it would be incredibly humiliating :c.Like: "wow look at the dumbass, such a weak sense of self and so retarded he managed to convince himself hes trans XD".Also idk if id ever be 100% fine with being a cis guy either. So im scared ill end up in the worst place possible: Not sure im trans but also not sure im cis and just eternally feeling like shit and uncertain.
>>43092988Yeah that's all part of the risk management calculation
>>43093100I just wish there was no risk to manage. I wish i was certain im trans and that i have to transition and that it will be better for me. Like unquestionably.The uncertainty about it might be worse for me than the actual risk of having to detrans even maybe. Like if i was certain i hated it and detransed at least id have certainty lol.Like i said, worst outcome to me would be eternally not being completely sure if i am doing/did do the right thing :C.
I would agree that the /pol/ NEET hikikomori is experiencing true dysphoria, but it’s a healable dysphoria, where the medicine is meeting friends, getting exercise, setting and achieving riskier goals, dreams, etcBut >be me, 31>came out to family at 14 but then repressed because I worshipped my parents and didn’t want to disappoint them>spend the next decade repping extremely hard, getting manual labor jobs and constantly exercising to get rid of tranny thoughts, tell all my girlfriends and best friends still>I live very socially dysfunctional but very well-liked by friends and spoken highly of>break down and troon at 28>try to pass but get misgendered a LOT>finally starting to pass after 4 years on E>since transitioning I’ve become more of a shut-in than ever>manmoding most of the time>get ma’amed constantly when i wear my hair down, still manmoding>so traumatized by the first year and the realization that I wasted most of my life that I’m becoming extremely unwell and antisocial>even my mom and strangers call me beautiful now, I never thought that was possible >but too afraid to suddenly go backward again or for trump to take our HRT away, I feel like a dead person walking The more I realize that my dysphoria is sexual/genital the more I feel like an imposter and experience true gender dysphoria. I used to pray to wake up in a different body and to find a husband and have children with him. Now that I’m emotionally open again it just hits me like a train every day. I feel like living as a man was sort of a cope that I could actually deal with. It’s like… I couldn’t even allow myself to pretend or feed the fantasy at all, and so I was happier and more creative and more productive. Transition kind of ruined my life desu
>>43093263this is just being a woman, ironically. get a bf and let him make all your decisions for you.
>>43093392I'm in a similar situation as you. I'm technically passing but social transition feels cursed overall, being out is detrimental but being stealth is too stressing
>>43093392>>43094983I swear trannies are the dumbest people alive sometimes. You are having an identity crisis.GET THERAPYTHAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR
>>43088134i DO feel dysphoria though when i get misgendered. the last time it happened i walked out the bar to a nearby park and cried my heart out for like half an hour because it was so devastatingly painful to know that i still dont pass after everything ive done. same thing with seeing a man in the mirror, the discomfort is powerful enough to meet the description of "dysphoria".theyfabs might experience some kind of dysphoria but its probably not gender dysphoria, im with you on that
>>43094999Why identity crisis? I wish I was a woman, I'm transitioning, the issue is hostility
>>43088605it's the tripfag emily of 4chan he's a 40 year old permaneet lateshit
>>43095030That stuff is not really dysphoria because it's not impacting your ability to function. When you got misgendered you were upset. When you saw your reflection on a bad day you were self-loathing. That's normal healthy emotions for a girl. When you can't bring yourself to go outside because you literally can't face a world that sees you as a man and nothing you do for yourself seems to cheer you up, that's dysphoria. Specifically that's gender dysphoria, but all dysphoria feels about the same. Euphoria is being so happy that nothing can pull you down, dysphoria is being so sad that nothing can pick you up.
>>43095076Your issue is you don't accept yourself for who you are. Therapists are trained to deal with that problem.
>>43095108you are once again making assumptions, just like in your OP. how do you know i dont avoid going outside? how do you know i didnt start boymoding (so basically repping) for months after that misgendering? youre gonna seem a lot less mentally handicapped if you stop making so many fucking assumptions
>>43095207I didn't make any assumptions, I made the distinction between what you were describing, which was not dysphoria, and what dysphoria actually is. Having a negative emotional reaction to something bad happening to you is not dysphoria. That's normal human emotions and not diagnostically significant.
>>43095108>>43095235you are playing misery olympics. the reward for winning the race to the bottom is being at the bottom
>>43088608The problem is I hate being a faggy guy, I just want to be a woman and I hate being a guy of any sort,but I’m not actually trans. It’s a weird and horrible situation.
>>43095125And who am I exactly? A male on HRT with extreme sex dysphoria that never ever went away?
>>43088134>The incel who lives in his parent's basement posting racist shit on /pol/ is clearly experiencing some kind of dysphoria.this is what gender dysphoria is. Gender dysphoria is a strong desire not to have traits associated with your birth sex, and a desire to have the traits of the opposite sex. when a trans person is misgendered, it causes dysphoria because gendering someone is a reference to their sex traits. Gendering a trans person with the word associated with their birth sex causes feelings of dysphoria because it associates them with the traits of their birth sex.furthermore, I often hear people say that cis people can also have gender dysphoria, such as a cis woman who doesn't like having a mustache or a cis man who doesn't like having gynecomastia. Neither of these are in fact cases of gender dysphoria because gender dysphoria is a dislike for traits of your BIRTH sex, not a dislike of traits of your opposite sex. A cis man who does not like having boobs does not have gender dysphoria, he's just experiencing something normal for men.
>>43096056>furthermore, I often hear people say that cis people can also have gender dysphoria, such as a cis woman who doesn't like having a mustache or a cis man who doesn't like having gynecomastia. Neither of these are in fact cases of gender dysphoria because gender dysphoria is a dislike for traits of your BIRTH sex, not a dislike of traits of your opposite sex. A cis man who does not like having boobs does not have gender dysphoria, he's just experiencing something normal for men.what is the point of this distinction? its fundamentally the same thing and it helps cis people relate with what gender dysphoria is like.
>>43096145because it makes cis people think that dysphoria is just about beauty standards and narcissism. Cis people have never had trouble understanding why a woman would not want a mustache, explaining it to them doesn't make them understand why a man wouldn't want a mustache.
>>43096203fair but i think they already do. for example cis men go bald and they think trans people are just too weak to accept that.
