How is it possible that some tranners have dysphoria everywhere but their genitals? Is it cope and deluding yourself into being fine with it, or are more people with GD for some reason completely fine with their cock/vulva? I’ve been on here for a long time and met many trans people, but it still doesn’t make sense to me how, if GD is a medical disorder, it somehow applies to every area but the natal genitalia Pooners seem to claim they don’t want to use their vulvas but anyone who has ever dated one says otherwise. Trooners post about liking their girlpenis and having sex as the penetrator pretty often and most agree, so I imagine it’s the same for them
>>43093595primary sex characteristic dysphoria vs secondary sex characteristic dysphoria.
>>43093595Because a human body is much more than what's between your legs
>>43093595I experience dysphoria in that regard I just don't want to self harm because of it.
>>43093621Good first reply. I’ve never heard of this distinction before How come there’s no primary sex characteristic dysphoria when tranners have an “opposite” sex brain?
>>43093622I agree, but dysphoria seems to be about a need/drive to become the “other” sex because their brain is female/male (from what tranners have told me), so I can’t fully understand why that wouldn’t include every innate feature of the opposite sex
>>43093654that's just a common narrative. Really there isn't any hard boundaries.
i accepted that i would never have a real vagina at a very young age. but i'm still getting over the "repping until 25" thing and the consequences of that
>>43093675From your perspective what’s the source/root of the distress if not an opposite sex brain? I’m not in grad school yet, but I’d be interested in specializing in transgender/transsexualism. I don’t want to go about it the wrong way and i’d like to have some decent base understanding of the pathology
I think its cope and most people do have genital GD, but it also gives them enough pleasure they can repess those feelings and rationalize it.
Brain sex theory makes no sense because the brain is not a sex organ/primary sex characteristic, but is impacted by hormones and other chemicals. Therefore, said hormones can't come out of nowhere, they have to be caused by something. AKA, nobody is mysteriously born with "opposite sex brain" while having no other opposite sex characteristics. You're either intersex, have otherwise fucked up sex hormones, had prenatal exposure, or took hormones later on. As for the lack of genital dysphoria, gender/sex dysphoria is obviously not that binary. There are also individuals who strive for SRS but do not want to change their sex characteristics. DESU this "atypical" dysphoria obviously falls under the non-binary spectrum. These people still have clear dysphoria, it just doesn't follow the pattern you expect. Technically non-binary, even if they don't ID as such because the term got taken over by people who only change their pronouns.
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>>43093717I wonder if that’s true. I have seen some rare cases that are hard set, usually ftm, on genital surgery and not using their natal genitalia for anything (other than masturbation, apparently using only the clitoris which does make some sense to me)And there are some mtf on here who have had genital surgery and say they are far happier, but the ones who enjoy the penetrator role seem to be definitively sure they feel genital dysphoria
>>43093707I think there's an expected body in the brain. What you would call gender would be the subset of this relating to sex characteristics. It's not precise as in you need this exact body but it's more like a certain range that's acceptable and this is then further limited by social upbringing with the biological gender still being dominant over the social gender. Sure people say "I have a woman's brain" but not even women have "women's brains". Man and woman as discrete binary categories is a social construction. There's a whole spectrum in terms of physiology and gender in your brain that's physically possible. So some people just have a brain that expects what you personally consider to be a mix.
>>43093766There are observable sex differences in the male/female brain though, so I don’t think it’s impossible for the same structure to occur in someone of the opposite sex. If not the brain, what do you personally believe is the source of the condition?
>>43093595t made me too horny to be dysphoric about my genitals
>>43093779That’s interesting. I’m aware there’s a body map in the brain and this is the cause of other distressors like phantom limb syndrome and other disorders. I wonder though why some people are born with a “woman with a penis” or “man with a vagina” mind map in that case
>>43093816Were you dysphoric prior to hormone therapy? I’ve heard some accounts of very sexual trans men like yourself who still refuse to engage in sex using their natal genitals
>>43093819Again it could also be something like. Brain body map that's fine with either genitals but other aspects makes them prefer one over the other. For me I can be comfortable with either genitals but prefer to keep my penis cause I want to top a majority of the time and only want to be bottom with a pussy for a fraction of the time. Others can be more steadfast though.
>>43093800That is exactly my point... there are observable sex differences. The differences are caused largely by sex hormones - at least that's my hypothesis. Are you trying to propose that the brain is affected by a gender spirit? What else do you think causes sex differences in the brain?As for the source of gender dysphoria, I think like other mental conditions, we can't be too sure of the exact "cause," but there does seem to be a genetic component in many cases. Like other mental conditions, I assume it's affected by genetics and environmental conditions, but some cases may be purely genetic/inherited, while other cases may be purely environmentally caused. Whatever the cause, what is important is how the individual would feel most comfortable and happy treating the dysphoria.
>>43093841>like yourselfnasty people have no decorum these days
>>43093877Apologies. It’s a big issues with the “clinical lens” to use language that can offend people you’re speaking to. I don’t mean to do it and try hard to avoid this when I can
>>43093595I interact with my dick for around 5 minutes per day on average. I don't think about it otherwise and neither does anyone else. The rest of my body I see reflected every time I look in a mirror and get evaluated every time another person looks at me. All else being equal, I'd rather have a pussy than a dick, but compared to the rest of my body it just doesn't influence my life much
>>43093869Rather than gender spirit, it would just be the way the structure develops. Initially I considered and still lean towards the idea that transgender/sexualism is an intersex condition in which one body structure (the brain— which impacts the thoughts, or the mind map of oneself— which impacts the sense of self) developed abnormally in the image of the opposite sex. Structural differences between opposite sex brains are shown to be present at birth, so I’m not convinced it’s all hormones.
>>43093892yeah right
>>43093869Sex differences aren't observable in individuals. We can't group individual brains into male or female. Sex difference averages are only obseravable across large datasets. Men and Women can have the same brain but on average they have certain ones more commonly than the other despite the fact both men and women exist with that type.
>>43093927Holy cope...It's not an intersex condition. Do you see the actual, physical sex characteristics affected by anything? No? Then it's not an intersex condition. Referring to the brain for the presence of an intersex condition is like referring to the feet for diabetes. There may be "symptoms" there, but that is not what actually determines the presence of the condition or not.Also, there can be prenatal exposure to hormones. And chromosomes. I can't tell if you're trans, or a "good faith" ally, but either way, when people come up with this brain stuff, it's literally just making up theories to cope that can't actually be backed by any evidence.It's just wishful thinking.
>>43093969ftm girls be taking wet plaps in their girlpussies then getting mad when someone mentions theyre a slut… kek
>>43093975Yes, exactly, those are the sex differences I'm talking about. They're obviously not literally always indicative of sex, nor is it impossible for someone to fall outside of the averages (I never said that,) because the brain is not a sex organ. Obviously, the brain is impacted by hormones, however, and there can be vaguely observable patterns.Basically I'm just frustrated by this shit, because people who are coping are always trying to spread misinformation or come up with wishful thinking theories that aren't actually backed by anything.
>>43093994i don't understand why you gotta be so damn disrespectful
>>43094012Most people don't have the means or know how to do research and we don't know for certain so really bullshit theorizing is all anyone can do sadly
>>43093595do you know how many "transbians" say they are fine with it and then cry if you ask them to top you? it's just repression
>>43093777>I have seen some rare cases that are hard set, usually ftm, on genital surgery and not using their natal genitalia for anything (other than masturbation, apparently using only the clitoris which does make some sense to me)Add another FTM to your list because you pretty much described me (fuck no to phallo though, i'm hard set on metoid)
>>43093595i dont know how it works, i dont know why it is the way it is, i cant explain my existence biologicall or philosophically. all i know that i had aboslutely debilitating dysphoria about every single male feature i had, that prevented me from functioning as a member of society and transitioning helped my wellbeing massively, all the while having zero genital dysphoria. thats just the way my brain is. retarded 4chan true hussies will tell you im faketrans because of it, all the while identifying as "homosexual trans sexual" i.e. a gay cis man with no gender dysphoria at all.
The possible reasons in my opinion are that no one outside sees your dick/pussy and will assume your sex based on how well you pass or it's a fetish or because some surgeries suck and too expensive so it's a cope
>>43095621or reason n. 4: trans people are intersexed with intersexed brains and some of them want intersexed bodies to match their intersexed brains, like a female body with male genitalia
>>430935951. the vast majority of people will never see my genitals2. the ones who do don't seem to care3. it doesn't even work like a real dick anyway, more like a t-dick with tiny balls
I am not, I just had a massive cope that chasers would never date me if I chop it off etc etc. because I like men
>>43093670OrIt's just dysphoria invoked by sexism.It could just be a bunch of males more concerned with their perceived self than their actual sex traits.
>>43096115and we prefer your penis on the outside, not on the insidebig frotstranny cumsand other delicious trans features
>>43096206yea exactly, I don't like it that way and it makes me feel bad yet I coped
>>43096206>tranny cumsthe sign of a chaser who gets no bussy, doesnt even know that we dont ejaculate
>>43093595It's all about the degrees of repression. The more repressed the individual the less they are able to express himself sexually and the more they need to try to imagine themselves as a sex object
>>43096244i hope you find someone that doesnt view you like an exotic game hunter views his elephant tusks
the little dopamine boost I get from mastrubating is more important to me than getting bottom surgery and it doesn't work and now I can't mastrubate. I don't want to lose the tiny bit of happiness I get
>>43093595I can cope with bottom dismorphia as long as I'm tucked. I'd like a vagina, but it's not like a urgent thing.
>>43096304it's watery but delicious
>>43095474I actually like penetrating I just don't like topping and that's just because I don't feel comfortable being dominant.
>>43093595bottom dysphoria isnt real its a social contagion. i avoid bottom dysphoria by having a really powerful brain
>>43097495true. I’ve peeled open even the most tightly sealed ftm pussies. at the end of the day, every girl (or ftm) wants penis inside their gooey vagina goodness and bottom dysphoria is just performative
>>43097602ew dont say this under my funny reply this is gross
>>43097602it really isI gotta crack open some more poon clams and show them the euphoria
>>43093595The shape and appearance of genitals are pretty meaningless. The actual problem is not being able to be a father/mother.
>>43097704I have genital dysphoria very strongly and 0 desire for children >>43097704
>>43097804You're a retard. It's the hypothetical that a trans person can't reproduce in the way that corresponds to their gender that is so wrong.
>>43098056NTA but you mean being dysphoric over not being able to give birth? It's not like SRS can make that happen
>>43098092Something deeper than that. It's fucked up that a trans woman can never be a mother in the natural way, not because it's a desirable thing to do, it's just the essence of it
