>>43103719
Can be emotional too

>>43103696
Any MEF chasers here?

>>43103992
Semantically ambiguous wording

>>43104591
How so?

>>43104609
An MEF who is a chaser or a chaser for MEFs

>>43104615
Chaser for MEFs.

>>43104680
Yes because I'm into forcefem and I feel like MEF are the ideal for that

>>43104706
Right. What do you like about it?

>>43103696
I wish a girl would peg me while i get to wear some cringy latex outfit

>>43104710
As a man turning (someone who could have been) a boy into a cute girl makes my primal brain go feral.
I assume it's a sexual competition instinct type thing.
Instead of them being competition I've made them into a submissive and feminized girl by giving them hormones and keeping them locked in chastity.
And my reward for all of that effort is to satisfy my urges with their newly feminized body.

>>43104710
>>43104819
When they whine about actually being a man it just makes it better tbdesu. I'm 6'3 and can easily overpower most other people in bed, so I can just pin them down until they relent/submit and let me have their way with them.

I'd tie them down and give them their hrt while they struggle and whine to no avail.

>>43104819
>>43104844
You type like a pooner

>>43104819
>>43104844
Oh fuck, you wouldn't believe how much this turns me on.

>>43104865
Totally baseless sneeding although there's nothing wrong with being a pooner

>>43104867
Good
I hope I find someone outside who is into this eventually

>>43103696
What if I'm MEF but only because being with women makes me anxious and I need to feminize myself to be okay with men?

>>43105005
It should be easy for you? Many failed males out there dreaming about someone who could make a woman out of them.

>>43105020
I have the same symptoms.

>>43105133
It's okay I spent the weekend with a nice boy

>>43105161
Was it enjoyable?

i try really hard to be a normal guy but deep down i wish i could just wake up one day and be a little failed male faggot for a guy and get bullied for it by him

>>43105506
Men don't have to "try" nona, it's time to give up and become a stress relief toy for a real man

>>43105571
Hot

If a mef gets srs, do they feel trapped in their flavor of kink 24/7 afterward?

how does this not become a horny feedback loop?

>>43105932
Many just stop having MEF desires. It's like they reached MEF nirvana or something

>>43105571
hottt but im a virgin so i don’t know how those things work

>>43104819
Oh my gooooddddd I need to travel to see my boyfriend again (he also thinks like this)

>>43105965
I guess that makes sense, it is permanent physical, inescapable emasculation for the rest of their lives. All they have to do is pay attention to how their crotch feels for a moment, and it's an instant hit of mef euphoria.

>>43104819
I like you

>>43105506
I wish I was a girl but any effort you take towards that will just make you a failed male faggot so here I am to cope

>>43106657
It helps break down mental barriers

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How are my fellow straight MEFchads holding up?

>>43106657
whenever i put effort into transitioning i just feel like some weird third thing, if i could wake up tomorrow as a girl i totally would. it just seems to fit someone with my personality so much better, im so incapable of talking to women currently

>>43106939
My boyfriend has told me that I'm not allowed to touch myself anymore without his permission, but he sends me such suggestive messages. I wont be able to see him for months but Im already craving him so much

>>43107074
Well trained~

>>43105169
Yes! I'm gonna make a post about it tomorrow probably. No boyremoval BUT it was very fun.

>>43107217
Post greentext here please

>when your gooning but see your giant shoulders or ill fitting top and it breaks the immersion

>>43107245
I'll link it when I make it! It's not actually MEFy at all except for the fact where he wrestled me to my bed and made it very clear how weak I was.

>>43107380
I don't need MEFy stuff I'm just craving fagslop rn. Thank you.

>>43107407
It's less fagslop and more hopeslop

Writing it rn

>>43107074
hottt has he ever punished you for disobeying

started looking at guys in public today after looking at these threads over the weekend.. i wish someone would just claim me

>>43107245
Here you go >>43109441

okay i’ve made a decision i have one year left of college and if i am unable to lose my virginity to a woman in that time ill accept my fate and try to indulge my mef side. i dont know whether to hope im successful or not. but if i fail it’ll prove to me that i always will be a failed male no matter what

>>43109650
Thank you I greatly enjoyed it :) happy for you nona

>>43110576
Yay thank you!

I'm a little disappointed no one commented on it tho

>>43110074
Anon trust me, I have been there, these feelings are not the product of sour grapes. The reason you have not been with a woman is because you are attracted to men. Life is so much better when you accept it.

>>43110585
Im sure you will get more comments when you greentext your upcoming boyremoval story

>>43110601
maybe...

I haven't even used a toy in ages so boyremoval may take a bit...

>>43110619
As long as he takes it slow you should be fine. I had not trained, my boyfriend has a fairly big penis and had blue balls when we first met up so my initial boyremoval was like an hour long and I couldnt walk for a few days but it was worth it

>>43110637
He's not very big (still bigger than me lol, thanks estrogen)

I'm just worried that I'll cry and also just be really awkward about it

>>43105932
>If a mef gets srs, do they feel trapped in their flavor of kink 24/7 afterward?
Not 24/7, no.
It's more like a calmness that the journey is complete and now have all the time to focus on my feminine life.
>horny feedback loop?
This does happen when I'm horny, yes. And it's one of the effects I wanted. It's just that I'm not horny all the time.
>>43105965
>Many just stop having MEF desires
In the first year post-op I was thinking that maybe I'll be like that. Turns out I'm not. I continue to get off from it and that's frankly great.
>>43106466
All they have to do is pay attention to how their crotch feels for a moment, and it's an instant hit of mef euphoria
It doesn't quite work like that, no.
To get the instant hit of euphoria I have to be with him and he makes a move. It works irl very very close to how arousal works in cisfs, actually. Except absolute euphoria comes if he reminds me I used to be a boy and staying a girl is dependent in part of him.

>>43104844
> I'm 6'3 and
Region of the US and your discord, sir?

>>43110619
>I haven't even used a toy in ages
what's stopping you now?

>>43110823
lack of convenience, cleaning sucks, and I live in a three person one bath apartment

>>43110761
Texas but not really looking to drop my handles

I have flat eyebrows . Will hrt make them arch like? Or is FFS required ? (7 months hrt) is there techniques to trimming ? Should i just shave them off and draw on some?

>>43110594
what made you realize this and come to accept it? for me i just always grew up thinking i would be “normal” but people called me gay a lot growing up and ive never really understood why, i dont have a huge desire to go out and meet up with men, i tried once but backed out at the last minute before sex because i felt weird. But ive never been able to be with a woman either despite trying pretty hard so… I don’t know why im so bad at it. What made you know you liked men?

>>43103719
Ackshually it's not a fetish as much as it's a maladaptive cope

>>43103696
I wonder if someone actually healed their emasculation trauma and lost the fetish without giving in to it. Should be theoretically possible.

>>43111682
Did you check the link in the resource section in the OP? It talks about engaging with MEF knowingly it's about healing from the trauma.

>>43104819
Ummm do you have a gf?

>>43111682
>Should be theoretically possible
exceeding the speed of light is also theoretically possible. So is time travel.

>>43111982
Which page?

>>43106452
Do your best to move in together, nona.
It's both in your best interest and in his.
Not only it makes transition faster and easier, but also far more enjoyable. The growing contrast between you and a real man acts as a motivating factor.

>>43111119
nta
>what made you realize this and come to accept it?
>What made you know you liked men?
At age 21 I had a girlfriend who was living with me. But I was emotionally unfulfilled and drained.
At a party, I got kinda drunk (not really but I was tired) and fell asleep into the arms of a (male) friend. I woke up several hours later happier than in all of my life.
Tried in the coming weeks to start something with him but he had a bf so nothing happened. A few months later my gf left me for unrelated reasons.
Less than a year later I was having my first bf. Eventually he left me because he didn't agree with me trooning. He regrets it today lol.

>>43110074
>just one more year
That's how I ended up being 25 when I started when I could've started at 17. Le sigh.

>>43113418
25 isn't as bad as it could be, thankfully. Enough time to establish a career but not too terribly moided.

>>43113521
Yeah, I turned out ok. I'm 31 and 2yrs post op.
But I could've had the first experience with a boy at 17 instead of 26, start E at 18-19, get srs at 23 instead of 29 and so on. 8-9yrs simply wasted trying to be what I couldn't be anyway.
Luckily I had a weak puberty.

>>43113563
I started at 25 too. Getting FFS next year (hopefully) and gonna start prep for SRS soon as well.

Didn't have a weak puberty but <2 years HRT do malefail when boymoding somewhat often now.

>>43113577
Good luck <3
Your confidence is admirable given your height. Ygmi especially if you have a kind man besides you.
I know I wouldn't have made it without my man. Emotional support is a lot more important than people think.

>>43113602
I actually have a solid support network but this past weekend was really nice.

I'm not even that tall. 5'9" isn't bad. I just happen to also like heels.

>>43113607
>I actually have a solid support network
Very glad for you. And that's highly important too. But at least equally important is to have a life partner.
>5'9" isn't bad
You're right. The heels definitely made it look more disproportionate.
I'm 172cm (5'7''?) so not that far away. I was 169cm at 19 and that's another reason I'm a bit upset I didn't give in earlier.
But it could've been worse. A high school friend even got married, got divorced and beaten up. She started at 30. I'll accompany her for srs next year.
Ultimately what's important is to find some form of happiness and willingness to live. And usually us fetishists make it more often.

>>43113682
I'm lucky to have a fairly supportive family (turns out the gay/tranny gene runs in the family). I'm honestly my own biggest obstacle.

I'm not even that MEFy anymore. Like I kind of like being a strong woman at times even if being weak and pliable is often very fun too.

>>43113698
>I'm not even that MEFy anymore. Like I kind of like being a strong woman at times
Imo the two are not incompatible.
Socially and professionally I am strong (especially now as I run full stealth) but when I'm with him (not just sexually) my brain turns to mush and being subservient to him comes naturally atp and I feel great being so too. It does help there's total trust between us, ofc.
I've seen this happening to two of my cisf friends and they chalk it up to being in love. So it's a combo of mef and just simply becoming more fembrained as time goes on and continue to be in love with him.

>>43113852
I like to tease and bully him (and he does the same to me)

Like after we finished up at the museum and stuff he yawned in the car and I said, like how one might speak to a dog, "Awww, is someone a lil tuckered out from the Boy Enrichment Center?"

I just like MEFgen because people are incredibly well adjusted here. Like legitimately the sanest and most uplifting gen on this board.

>>43113885
>Like legitimately the sanest and most uplifting gen on this board
Heh, that's a new one.
Me and other MEFys got a lot of flak over the years on this board. I'm actually surprised myself that the board has gradually become more MEF-friendly in the last 6 months or so.
If I had $1 for every time I was called a sissy hon or a fake trans, I could've paid for SRS with that money, lol.
>tuckered out from the Boy Enrichment Center?
haha
But yeah, you need to uplift him too.

>>43087889
>>43087970
>>43088020
Update: hooo-leeee-shit.
Turns out I was one of the few in the family that didn't know I was a tranny lol. My dad has been assuming I've been doing DiY for at least a year. Today they assumed I'll tell them my new name or something.
Sheesh, now I'm upset. Why didn't anyone tell me about this earlier? :(

>>43113930
I do. I reassure him a lot.

Yeah I don't get the insanity people have towards MEFs on an anonymous web forum. Like, to me, faketrans is silly because to be trans to me is to actually transition. Transmaxxers are more trans than severely dysphoric manmoders imo. Also I made a solid friend here on the board who regularly made MEFposts and frankly I find that other MEF girls give some of the best advice and guidance. I think it's invaluable to those who have weird identity issues.

Also MEFposting is basically like Fagslop++ and that's based af.

>>43113973
Oh wow! I mean if they assumed that you're probably a turbosoulpassoid and maybe even a future stealthmoder.

>>43113988
nta
>I don't get the insanity people have towards MEFs on an anonymous web forum
Imo some of it is envy. MEFs and transmaxxers are usually very okay with being at least in part malebrained and transition as a project with very clear goals and stay realistic with both physical and emotional goals.
>Transmaxxers are more trans than severely dysphoric manmoders
Thank you, nona :3
Though I try not to be that mean. I sympathize with dysphoric trannies but they usually refuse practical advice. Even more so if I reveal that I'm one of the happy "victims" of the incel-to-tranny pipeline. I used to be upset at being called a transmaxxer but now I'm like indifferent to it. Fine, I'm "fake" now what? I was joking a few weeks ago that once I get srs I will call myself "an incel who got on hrt, had ffs, ba and srs and is no longer an incel" lol.
>MEFposting is basically like Fagslop++ and that's based af
It is, though I'm looking for ways to become more MEFy as a tool to process srs better/easier.
And although I feel like I'm not making much progress, the fact that I want it more than a few months ago it's probably evidence that it is working.
Still, even though I "soulpass" now (for the most part anyway), I'm perfectly fine with my moided thought patterns too, especially those that come very useful. Besides, men find that hot too. Like, my bf straight up admitted to me that the "partially male" personality was the decisive factor in him staying with me and now wanting us to grow old together. And I doubt my bf is some marginal exception. Likely all (or at least most) men who want a relationship with a tranny want exactly this kind of mixture.

>>43111992
No lol my last one is gone because long distance didn't work out

>>43114071
I mean I do think a lot of MEFs/transmaxxers are at least a bit dysphoric in denial.

I'm definitely dysphoric myself. Had issues since I was little that got much stronger in puberty. Stopped being able to wear shorts and be okay when I was 12 or so due to my oversized calves.

But I also have like, occasional AAP? Also like weird reverse dysphoria at times. Sometimes I feel weird about my boobs.

But genuinely? MEFfies (that actually walk the walk and talk the talk) are like angels.

>>43114003
>you're probably a turbosoulpassoid
Not in these words but that's basically what my dad told me.
My parents told me they didn't want to impose anything but they were surprised I didn't ask about this years ago back in high school.
>and maybe even a future stealthmoder
That I am less sure about. I'm 23 in May but physically I'm very far from that. At least I'm not super tall so I got that going for me (below male average of my country but higher than female average).
Realistically I can hope to be a twinkhon in 2 years and hope my "soul" can carry me. I also hope the nonas here like >>43112228 are right that MEF makes this easier.
I'm less scared than a few days ago. But it's still a weird feeling. Better focus on the week-end to make it enjoyable with my now bf. This will be one hell of a ride, so to speak.

>>43114112
>I do think a lot of MEFs/transmaxxers are at least a bit dysphoric in denial
At best I can say I psyopped myself into it.
Even 3 years into hrt I can't say I was dysphoric (at least in the way dysphoric trannies describe). Let alone at any moment before that. I quite literally decided that I will troon out because the benefits likely outweigh the risks and that my disadvantages (small height, narrow shoulders, bisexual) would be advantageous.
Never been AAP or AGP. The first time I womanmoded in public I was neither scared nor euphoric. I was more like "alright, let's see how this goes".
I only started liking it about 4yrs in when men started showing romantic interest in me and cis women became gradually nicer to me. It was a brutal IRL confirmation of the black pill, desu. But I took the good and the bad and just rolled with it.

This place is just tranny shit now
Whatever happened to abstract fetish and cope posting
Estrogen really does fry the brain

>>43114137
Height is less important than overall ratios + voice + body language + confidence imo. Like, I am average cism height. I have a BRUTAL shoulder/ribcage measurement. I do have good hips though.

But when I clean up I get gendered female at a glance in a t-shirt and jeans.

Obviously I have to wear looser t shirts and everything but if people see you as basically a woman now it'll help a lot in the future.

>>43114194
I can't quite imagine that but like, more power to you! As long as people aren't open optics nukes and aren't advocating against important legal and medical rights, idc that much. Transsexuality is like a dozen different pathologies wrapped up together.

>>43114071
>>43113988
nona you are responding to
>the insanity people have towards MEFs
I will second the motion that it's envy.
Idk if we're less dysphoric but I do know that many/most MEFs do seem to have fewer brainworms and that likely does help a lot.
I mean, I got legally diagnosed with GD so I can easily change paperwork. But in my country it requires to be assessed for real for other disorders too and I came out clean to those. That probably helped my transition too. I wasted little to no time wallowing with "do I pass?" and rotting online and just rolled on with the life I already had.
>>43114194
hi there incelnona :3
don't forget to post those pics you promised <3

>>43114214
>abstract fetish and cope posting
There's /repgen/ for that and about half of the new threads are cope posting.
>Estrogen really does fry the brain
It is addictive, yeah.

>>43114258
>As long as people aren't open optics nukes
Once I get srs only a chromosome test would "out" me. Already I'm asked about pap smears by doctors, lol.
>advocating against important legal and medical rights
I'm not involved in much politics at all in my country. And it's unlikely I will, because that risks breaking stealth. For all intends and purposes I'm a normie foid atp, lol. Except I don't soulpass that much. And my voice sounds like a smoker aunt. Good enough for cis passing but not where/how I want it.
>Transsexuality is like a dozen different pathologies wrapped up together
In my case inceldom was the pathology, kek.
The main disadvantage of transmaxxing is that half measures don't quite work. I would've never made it if I were transbian for instance. Not in my country anyway. Luckily, I already liked men and E and prog made me love men more, heh.
>>43114271
>don't forget to post those pics you promised <3
Will do, when the time comes. Hugs.

>>43114354
Transbianism made me wanna kms. I'm bi but like, it was soul crushing. Too many brainworms and also feeling like I have to be both mentor and follower at times.

I do still love the two girls I dated though. Very sweet. One is the biggest soulpassoid ever and the other has a really good face + hands but unfortunately has struggled with curves. The soulpassoid is so damn cute that when I'm around her I feel like I should be a man and be her husband or something but she's also an extremely dysfunctional mess.

Men are nice but prog doesn't really make me horny anymore. I'm thinking of starting Bica (part of a boobmaxxing regimen with lower E2 so I can get LH-driven breast growth) and seeing what that does for me.

>>43113080
interesting story, i can get how something sudden like that could be a realization
>he regrets it today
im sure :3
>>43113418
I just find the social aspect hard, I kind of struggle to meet people already and transitioning seems like it could make it harder. I started at 18 but got scared and went off medicine at 19 and now at 21 im off and on it because i just don’t know what the right path is.

I don’t understand why im so bad at playing the role of a man no girl has shown any interest in me since like middle school and i get nothing on dating apps
I suppose if I fail at this it’ll just confirm to me im actually a failed boy, i’ve never gone further than a few hugs in middle school with women
And being in women’s role in the relationship seems nice I find leading to be kinda hard.. I just would like to try piv sex once to see if I even like it but I am still a virgin of course, sometimes I get off to that proving how much of a failure of a “man” i supposedly am.
When I look at porn feminization smut has been my favorite since i’ve been like 11, I don’t really read or watch straight porn ever and in my sexual fantasies i think of dick and i don’t really have much of an opinion on vagina but my head still tells me im attracted to women, its all so hard to understand.
but im still somewhat doing hrt this year because i dont exactly trust myself to be successful finding women… it will probably make the bullying feel so much more real if i actually can’t even get one girl in college, what real man has that happen to them

>>43114474
I think ygmi

Being a woman can be hard. Really hard. I became a panicky mess and sometimes still am. I believe in you though.

>>43114431
>Too many brainworms
That was my conclusion after just 3 months in tranny circles. So I noped out and never looked back.
If I was gonna troon, I'd have to do it myself. I got lucky to become friends with an older cis woman who for some reason thought it's a good idea to be my friend and help me learn how to woman. 10/10 would recommend.
>prog doesn't really make me horny anymore
After 8 years, that's the case here too. But atp I don't need it. All he needs to do is just rub my shoulders a bit and I'm good to go haha.
>Bica (part of a boobmaxxing regimen with lower E2 so I can get LH-driven breast growth)
That works. But don't expect spectacular outcomes. But it does bring some progress. And ?% progress is better than 0%.
Doubt it will make you hornier tho.
I brought back a lower dose of bica as part of reducing erections and trying to lean into mef and increase desire for srs. Didn't quite work as hoped for but he finds it hot.
Higher E does work tho to make you horny. Or at least it works on me.

>>43114281
Repgen was already full of trannies
Sad honestly transition doesn't make anyone happy that they still need to mooch off male threads

>>43114539
I just want my boobs to be a little firmer and rounder. That and I think higher LH/FSH can increase libido? It's weird. I suppressed testosterone really really easily though so I'm not sure how low on E2 I need to go to boost LH/FSH.

The other reason for Bica is to block androgenic activity from P4. Prog made me grow hair on my butt again and I do not like it.

>>43114474
>find the social aspect hard
>bad at playing the role of a man no girl has shown any interest in me since like middle school and i get nothing on dating apps
>i’ve never gone further than a few hugs in middle school with women
>I find leading to be kinda hard
>I just would like to try piv sex once to see if I even like it but I am still a virgin of course
Yeah, you're me 10 years younger. Except you're already on hrt. I tried really hard to "man up" for another 4 years. Ofc it didn't work.
The first time I tried piv sex was with me as the receptive party haha.
To be fair, it is hotter that I went all the way to srs without ever topping anyone.
>I don’t really read or watch straight porn ever
I do now, because I can self insert as her.
I coped with tranny porn and didn't realize that I was self-inserting as her more often than not.
You really should try dating men. It will answer (even if partially) to quite a few questions, both emotionally and sexually.
The first few times with my first bf were quite awkward. But by the 4th or 5th time I was gulping his dick as if I've been doing that for a decade.
Emotionally, feeling the warmth of a man was (and continues to be to this day) the calmest moment by far.

>>43114536
every once in a while i start panicking and wondering what the right decision is and going on/off hrt
>i think ygmi
thank you nona, im not the best at meeting people so i feel very isolated sometimes. i’ve known i was trans since i was 10-11 and i came out to some people at 15 but its all just so hard to go through with because my parents say anti trans stuff a lot
so i try to just fit in by supposedly being a guy but i dont know in my soul i find it really hard to play the role of a guy in dating to the point i can’t get on a date, pretending to be someone you aren’t is hard
>i believe in you
thank you so much, it’s hard to know what to do because i get worried about being all alone but that helps to hear <3 im trying my best to have myself continue taking my hrt and such
my fantasies are like half pretending to be a guy and half really just wanting to be someone’s girl it’s so conflicting
thank you again!!

>>43114679
>you’re me 10 years younger, i tried really hard to man up
sometimes i just wish i could be “normal” and wake up with a wife or something but perhaps i can’t change what really is about myself
>it is hotter that i went all the way to srs without topping anyone
that is pretty hot nona.. im not too sure about srs just because the idea of such a big change is kinda scary and i dont really hate my dick… not that i’ve ever used it for anything besides touching myself. in my fantasies if im with women im still the “top” and ive never like put anything up my ass. i grew up religious being told to be with a woman so these sorts of things are all very confusing to me it’s hard to sort through my desires, it’s like i simultaneously am into mef but delusionally tell myself otherwise. imagining piv sex doesn’t even really get me going i don’t think i’ve ever cum to imagining doing it once. to be honest i don’t even really know what a vagina looks like super well because i haven’t looked at that kind of porn much. i do like how penis looks and stuff, when i was 11 and short enough to do it i sucked my own penis a few times. but i grew up being told that liking men was very wrong so i feel weird about it, i have like grindr but the men on there gross me out ofc.
>i do becuse i can now self insert with her
fascinating how sexuality expresses itself like that
>you should really try dating men
to be honest i got hard reading this so… maybe you’re right
when i go on grindr and stuff it always turns me off and gives me the ick but that’s probably an issue with the app myself attracting a weird crowd
>quite a few questions
what kind of questions should i look out for?
>by the 4th or 5th time i was gulping his dick
well.. as i admitted before i guess i have sucked a cock before even if it was my own.. reading that made me hard too that seems really hot nona i don’t know why dick appeals to me so much more than vagina
1/2

>>43114679
>emotionally feeling the warmth of a man was the calmest moment by far
it does seem really nice to have someone care about me like that and feel warmth, the emotional aspect of being the woman appeals to me a lot, it does seem very calming like you said

>>43114814
>what kind of questions should i look out for?
How do you feel when:
>you're hugged by a man
>you're holding a man's hands
>getting kissed (even if platonically) by a guy
I already said on sex what to look for.
>im not too sure about srs just because the idea of such a big change is kinda scary
Me 4 years ago, lol.
>i dont really hate my dick
Neither did I. Still glad I got the snip. Receptive sex improved by a lot.
Also, failed boys don't need it anyway. And I feel better about touching myself now.
>grindr
Yeah, that can be brutal.
Still, I'm sure you have cute fags around you at college. Kill two birds with one stone - practice socialization and flirt with men.
>i don’t know why dick appeals to me so much more than vagina
You do know why. You just refuse it. You're a straight tranny. It's really not complicated.
You can cope with this by repressing, "cisfag on hrt" (which you do now) or move forward and transition. None of the three are awesome short term. But long term the latter two are better.

>tfw AGP
>tfw not attracted to men enough to be MEF

>>43115010
Meta attraction is a stepping stone to true androphilia.

>>43115224
I don't know. The men in my fantasies are mostly shapeless and faceless. But the few times I sexted with men, it was very arousing.

>>43115252
Then you already have enough androphilia to proceed.
Being AGP means you already want to feminize your body. So what's the hang up?

>>43115284
I think it was arousing because they treated me as a woman (interpersonal AGP), not just because they were men (androphilia).

>>43115224
IDK nona my gynephilia comes first and AGP is just secondary to it

>>43114958
>how do you fuel
i will make sure to report back here when it happens thank you! im so thankful this thread was made
>receptive sex improved by a lot
that’s a good point, cleaning for anal seems tedious
>failed boys don’t need it anyway
stuff like this gets me going like nothing else. i think i would cum instantly if a guy told me this during sex
>and i feel better about touching myself now
one of my fantasies is having a guy tell me im not allowed to pleasure myself without him, even bought a cage when i was 18 although its kind of uncomfortable
>im sure there are cute fags at college, kill two birds with one stone
that’s a good way of putting it thank you, this really does help a lot. there’s some lgbt event here tonight i’m probably going to attend as a starting point
>you do know why. you just refuse it. you’re a straight tranny
i can’t write an argument against this so you’re probably right..
>long term the latter two are better
i agree that repressing isn’t fun and i really don’t like dating hiding the tranny side of me.
in some ways i feel like im failing my family but i suppose i wouldn’t find MEF hot if it didn’t have truth to it… there’s some part deep down that says this is all wrong and i should really be a straight man but then there’s an equally large part that says the opposite when i pretend to be straight so. but i am getting hard right now imagining sucking cock and being called a failed boy and bullied over it and i don’t get hard from imagining vagina so i suppose i have to accept reality like you said
thank you i really appreciate the help im sure ill be back here with updates

>>43115331
>dating hiding the tranny side of me
i should have worded this better, i mean trying to date since im not exactly successful, price of being a failed boy

>traumatized enough to troon out to escape manhood
>not traumatized enough to have full and proper dissociative identity disorder and be able to completely smother and murder the male ego
>now feel like a man in a transwoman's body
>feel even worse than before
what do i do
will getting srs and letting stronger men choke me half to death kill him

>>43112228
Im trying anon, but he lives in europe and im an ameritranny

>>43111119
Honestly I was in a relationship with a woman for about 7 years after forcing it, and it left me an emotionally drained husk that was constantly thinking of escape before I finally left her and then stopped repping

>>43116723
7 years is quite a lot, what made it fail?

>>43116774
She was an abuser who preyed on inexperienced men. I left her after realizing that I was being abused and exploited and that it was ruining my life. Ive been picking up the pieces of my life ever since

I read somewhere that the worse the economy is doing, the more males with be into submissiveness
I'm not exactly MEF personally but I did get more into feminization content after losing my job and doomering about not being able to find anything substantial anymore

>>43116723
>>43116723
nta
>im an ameritranny
Most EU countries would give you asylum based on that. I'm serious.
>finally left her and then stopped repping
>abuser who preyed on inexperienced men
Congratulations for escaping repper hell. I was 4 years with such a woman. It sure did suck and not in a hot way.
But, on the upside, the experience convinced me repping isn't worth it and that I need a man in my life.
Hugs.

>>43117795
>Most EU countries would give you asylum based on that
Unfortunately they wont :( ive looked into it quite extensively rn and honestly if I was going to file an asylum claim Id sooner just get married to him to save everyone the legal head/heartache

Ty for the hugs and congratulations

>>43116193
>will getting srs and letting stronger men choke me half to death kill him
Maybe, maybe not.
I was in a similar place. But I ended up making peace and merging after srs.
What helped was making peace that I am ultimately a failed boy. He can stick around and complain or merge but ultimately me, nona is in charge because I won and made it where he failed. I got us loved, a better job and a happier life. Even a failed boy can understand this is better.
So we eventually merged. I still have male personality traits here and there and that's fine. Regular sex with my man keeps things happy and balanced.
If you already live as a woman socially, then srs would help because there's no way back and "he" has to negotiate. Also, while recovery sucks, sexual health does improve quite a bit.
As for choking, while it's hot, be careful out there nona. Do that only with a bf you have built some trust with.

>>43117867
>Id sooner just get married to him to save everyone the legal head/heartache
Well, then do that. Couples formed out of hardship tend to bond better and faster. Ask me how I know, lol.
But seriously, follow your heart for once. What's the worst that can happen? You miss a few months/years of US shitty politics?
Europe (all of Europe really) has more walkable cities and is more friendly to being outside rather than atomized indoor-rotting which is the norm in the US. For that reason alone and your mental health is worth it.

>>43118014
I currently have a good job in the US and lots of debt/child support (my ex raped me when I left her and had a baby). Wanted to pay off all my debt from my last relationship before I moved. I do really love europe though, only been there for 2 weeks to visit my bf before but it was eye opening

>>43117473
>I read somewhere
Where?
I actually find it hilarious. I trooned at the best moment of the economy precisely so I can afford it.

>>43115331
>there’s some lgbt event here tonight
GO! Stop rotting online and have fun!
>even bought a cage
fufu clips are more comfortable.

>>43118449
>tfw too atrophied for a fufu clip to stay on

>>43118502
harnesses exist
I preferred fufu clips pre-op because they made tucking easier and more esthetic.

>>43118524
Personally I like the aesthetic of the cage a bit more, going to try finding a nice flat one

>>43118241
>Wanted to pay off all my debt from my last relationship before I moved
Fair enough but you can't ask someone to wait for 18 years though. Also you can make payments from europe too.
But I take your point. With the current climate and the already messed up family laws in the US (you guys still have debtor's prison effectively), your position/attitude is understandable.
I'm really sorry this happened to you :(
At least my ex is infertile. Whew!

>>43113973
I can relate to that. My dad is repper. But since my older brother and my sister came out okay they both decided to keep quiet. I did come out at 18 tho. They were very supportive.
Good luck, nona!
>This will be one hell of a ride, so to speak
Oh yeah. Make sure you have a good support network.
Stay outdoors, stay hydrated, reduce internet consumption. Just trust me on that.

>>43118940
Oh yeah im not going to make him wait 18 years, just until my debts are paid off at least unless an emergency comes up like adult hrt gets banned or something

>>43114083
LD is hard, where are you from?

It's almost 3 AM but I might have to announce being late at work or even take the day off.
>usually I get home before 6pm and before my bf and fetch something to eat
>this time he was already home
>immediately undresses me and bends me over
>love it when he does that because it's slightly painful at first but usually cum from piv alone
>not this time as he's rougher than usual
>he finishes, heads to the shower and says now we can look into eating
>i make some food, we eat, and then head to bed to watch a movie
>10 minutes later
>are you touching yourself, nona?
>uh... kinda... you did leave me unfinished
>immediately hops on me and starts pounding me missionary
>how the hell did he get hard that fast?
>i usually signal discretely when I cum so he slows down (he usually cums soon after anyway as my srussy squeezes)
>this time he doesn't slow down and raises his voice
>sex is over when the man is done
>you seem to have forgotten the rules, boy
>he goes rougher than usual
>I feel him cumming but he just won't stop
>get really horny and cum again myself
>he goes even faster and cums again
>takes a short break but before I catch my breath to say something he gets up and flips me over and starts fucking me prone
>at some point he takes a 5 second break to allow me to get up in doggy for more comfort for him
>I try to rub my clit as he pounds
>he arrests my hands, gently grabs my neck and says "failed boys don't get to do that"
>my brain turns into a mush
>he must've penetrated me for at least 25 minutes uninterruptedly
>eventually he cums and stops
>idk how many times I orgasmed and unable to think anyway
>before I know it, he starts rubbing my clit and finger my srussy
>eventually cum so hard that I might've broke a muscle from my arm with the whole body experience
>he kisses me on a nipple and says "that's my girl"
>as we're catching our breaths in the afterglow he goes to pee, comes back, kisses me, apologizes for being too rough and falls asleep
(1/2)

>>43120089
>mfw I didn't need an apology, but more
>now slowly rubbing in the other room wishing I can wake him up
>can't do that either because we can't both skip work
>can't go to sleep myself because I'm horny
>his cum still leaking from my neovag makes me even hornier
>riding the dildo doesn't feel that good but stopping isn't an option either
>fuck, I need to be fucked more
>it'll take another 30 minutes to cum like this, if I'm lucky
We'll need to have a talk. Apologizing is icky. And if we had plans for the week-end, now we don't. It's a week-end for fucking.
And to think that at some point I believed I could be a man, lol.

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Is this anything?

Why the fuck do I lately feel the urge to dom my boyfriend? Always been a total sub. Is this like horseshoe theory in action?

>>43103992
How are mefs princesses ?

>>43120670
Still horny.
t. >>43120089

>>43120645
>Is this like horseshoe theory in action?
It's more like you finally give yourself permission to explore.
I recently started pegging my bf. Wouldn't have thought about it preop but now it's fun. He also gets to mock me for needing a strap-on.

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Gn mefriends <_>

>>43116723
>before i finally left her and stopped repping
yeah this is why i started when i was 18, part of me wishes i had just followed through then but i was worried about my family being angry when i was that young without a way to support myself.
Hope you’re doing better now <3
>>43118449
I went I got into a lgbt discord server for my college i feel very accomplished yay thank you for the inspiration nona!!
>fufu clips are more comfortable
i’ll look into these thank you! i happen to be kinda big down there (not that it really matters) so it can be hard to find things that fit but that does seem more comfortable thank you!!
i’ve only been able to experience it once but a hands free orgasm was the best feeling one i’ve ever had, so being made to have another one (probably from being bullied for being a little faggot) would be heaven to me, so having something like that to help train my pleasure seems really nice
i’ll probably start looking for guys i can’t deny what my cock is telling me to do, MEF just gets me going like nothing else i don’t know why but the idea of being bullied for it gets me going so much
aaaand i kinda wanna suck a cock :3
thank you nona!!

>>43120588
Wish I could find the thread.
Also I wish I had a forcefem bf in my teens, unironically. Turned out okay in the end but it would've been easier and more fun.

>>43120893
>kinda big down there (not that it really matters)
Better srs outcomes.
>it can be hard to find things that fit
Emma's Place. Look it up. She's a tranny who makes custom fufu clips. Not affiliated with her but her products are good.

>>43120588
also god this is so hot i didn’t know so many guys were into doing this… nice how my family thinks im a normal man and on the inside i dream about this happening to me

>>43120934
>better srs outcomes
hotttt it’s so hard to make a decision on this because it’s irreversible but maybe if i really do feel like i belong to a guy i would consider it… it feels hard to get rid of a body part like that but it is also the ultimate emasculation in the end, sometimes i do fantasize being bullied over it.
>Emma’s Place
i will be sure to look this up thank you!
the idea of a guy telling me i can’t pleasure myself because only real men get to do that and that the only way i can cum is if i do while i get used by the actual man in the relationship is fkfkkfgjfj god need my libido is super high so i would go insane within like an hour

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>>43120893
>I went I got into a lgbt discord server
nona, that's not what's important. More online rotting.
tell us about the cute boys at the event. How you felt. Did you interact with any of them?
What happens IRL is what matters the most.
>what my cock is telling me to do
Wrong mentality. It's not your cock telling you. It's your brain. It's you embracing yourself.
Your dicklet is not important. Failed boys' dicklets are a marginal sideshow that sometimes leak (until they get it snipped). What matters is being with a real man.
>i kinda wanna suck a cock :3
Now we're talking. Picrel.

>>43121046
>more online rotting
you’re probably right.. but it will help to remind me when their next events are
>tell us about the cute boys. how you felt.
there were some speeches and during the speeches my eyes glanced at some of the boys more. some of them looked pretty nice i’ll admit which is weird because usually i don’t find men attractive but maybe i was just lying to myself. I went up and said hi and got the discord, it was more of a speaking event for trans stuff so not too many guys there
HOWEVER you are completely right that that isn’t enough, I will make sure to attend their next meeting. Better yet I think I should set my dating app profiles to include men that could work well. I remember I did it once before and got way more matches than usual but got scared and backed out but these thoughts really make me want to do it. I’ll do it and report back what happens.
>What happens IRL matters the most.
Thank you nona, i’ll commit here i’ll set a goal to have a date this weekend, and I’ll start searching on apps tonight. Should I say im a guy on there or be up front?
>it’s not your cock it’s your brain, your dicklet is not important
Even when I wrote that I had doubts that it was the right mindset; thank you for correcting me, I won’t think that way again
>failed boy’s dockets are a marginal sideshow that sometimes leak
mine does leak a lot thinking about this. i wanna be bullied so bad
>until they get snipped
HOTTT ok maybe i understand the appeal now.. I would need to feel really comfortable with someone though, but one of my fantasies is a guy teasing me for taking my manhood away and making me his little toy forever.
>what matters is being with a real man
it does just feel right somehow the more you say it, you seem to know my inner thoughts somehow nona thank you so much you’re motivating me a lot
>now we’re talking
Going to go on the apps i’ll see how i do as a boy who says :3
Thank you again I really appreciate it

>>43120089
>>43120220
If this isn't larp, this is hot as fuck and I am as envious as a woman can get

>>43121389
>you seem to know my inner thoughts somehow
I was where you are a decade ago, remember? The life details differ a bit, but the thought processes can't be that different.
>usually i don’t find men attractive
>I want to suck a dick
Nona...
>Should I say im a guy on there or be up front?
If you can put "guy into being forcefemmed" do that. Be careful. The apps are full of weirdos and dangerous people. But they also usually have men who are into forcefem.
But focus on going to dates first. Or simply events (don't need to be formal ones) where (bi)fags gather. Befriend some of them.
>one of my fantasies is a guy teasing me for taking my manhood away and making me his little toy forever
real life doesn't always work out like that. I was a bit lucky that I could afford it right when I had a sable bf. I would've done it regardless as soon as I was able to afford it. But it does help to have someone by your side for emotional support and for fun (after the recovery months).
I hope I will be his forever, of course. But even if I won't, I'll still feel better about touching myself and will never be a real man.
Bu yeah, he does tease me about it a lot :3

>>43121609
>i was where you are a decade ago
i agree the thought processes seem similar, fascinating how you can go from where i am to where you are in 10 years. again i very much appreciate the advice
>Nona…
LOL well yeah maybe im in denial, usually i considered myself to only like the dick part but that’s probably super silly lmao, wouldn’t be a failed boy if i didn’t do silly things sometimes though
>if you can put guy into forcefemmed do that
I will thank you very good advice! and yes there are freaks on there im staying off grindr so i dont get messaged by 50 year old married guys and get turned off of men again lol
>focus on going on dates first
i’ll try, my first and probably most realistic fantasy is to conclude a date by going to a car or somewhere secluded and sucking his cock so <3
>go to bifag events and befriend them
i will do everything i can to, im sure ill be here giving updates for a bit lol. and yes i will be posting a greentext whenever this cock sucking fantasy comes true
>i hope i will be his forever of course
you’re a very helpful person i genuinely wish you the best!!
>i’ll never be a real man and he does tease me about it a lot
i don’t know if neo vaginas get wet but if they do then i would as much as possible hearing that
anyway stay tuned mefgen for the greentext eta this weekend
im sure real cum tastes different to my failed estrogenized goo

>>43122064
nta
>if neo vaginas get wet
The ppt ones do.

>>43122142
i see thank you, good to know. probably the fact i know so little about vaginas in general through consuming very little content involving them over the years should have been a sign long ago

Is wanting to be slowly feminized psychologically through environment, girl friend group, entertainment, hobbies and also physically a form of MEF or just AGP? I don't want anyone humiliating me, it'd be awful.

>>43123437
If you focus on not being a man and get off to the negative emotions associated with not being him (humilation or emasculation), it's MEF.
If you focus on being the woman and feel positive emotions about becoming and being her, it's AGP.
While both groups have something in common, I think there is measurable difference.

>>43123524
nta, I am definitely a mix of both. in some ways I am MEF, in other places I am AGP. It would surprise me if people are exclusively one or the other

>>43123524
It's the same being a woman is being humiliated as a man because you weren't born as one

>>43123644
Some women wear that humiliation with such elegance and sensuality

>>43123524
what if it’s positive emotions associated with emasculinization bcus emasculinization in it of itself doesn’t feel bad. and the negative emotional aspect is from being associated with maleness in any regard (“failed male” is still seen as male). and it’s like ur trying to recreate moments from tranny childhood where ppl viewed u in the “failed male” archetype which felt good bc it was distancing urself from masculinity and getting closer to femininity but also bad because it was a compromise and still not the same as a girl

>>43123768
Oh yeah a lot of old mef subreddits were very sensual and demure while sissy ones were a complete shitshowa real woman suffers with grace

>>43103696
Mentality is so important, i'm stunned.

>>43123592
I didn't say it's exclusive, but there might be a split in preference.
>>43123644
Not necessarily. This is the MEF mindset, though.
>>43123806
Being emasculated is a negative emotion. The sexual arousal from many negative emotions happens in order to convert something bad into something enjoyable.

>>43123768
That's interesting. Maybe at some juncture ETLE and MEF meet. Like the comics I read involve feminization but the "victim" is always very hot at the end. I guess that irreversible femininity is a sign that you can't go back to being a man though.

>>43122064
ok update number 1 i woke up this morning to a wet dream about sucking a dick and being bullied over it sooooo :3
would like advice though would the bifags like how i look

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>>43125171
nta
You could/should grow your hair more.
With those looks you're afraid of hitting up on boys? You kidding me? You're really really cute.
Not quite the looks for a MEFy girl yet but you can easily attract fags and bifags with those looks if the behavior checks out. The other nona is right when she emphasizes your mind more. Your looks are already where hey should be. My gf has straight hair but otherwise it's uncanny how similar you look to her about a year before I met her.
t. bifag with MEFy gf

>"trans" people are ok being called failed MAN in bed
what's wrong with you

>>43121513
It wasn't. I eventually went to sleep a bit after 4AM, woke up at 10 and went to work in the second half of the day. Now at home making some food and waiting for him to arrive.
I want to propose that we save this week-end for more of last night kind of action. And remind him he doesn't need to apologize.
>>43125679
You're on a fag and tranny board. We're all "wrong" in some way here.

> be me
> transbian degenerate
> broke up with gf
> start prog
> suddenly need a bf

>>43125599
>grow your hair more
It is definitely in my plans, my hair grows super fast so that’s not very hard thankfully. my parents forced me to get it shorter growing up it would’ve always been long if i could choose
>with those looks you’re afraid of hitting up on boys
i can be a bit shy but hearing things like that really helps me get confidence thank you so much
>youre really really cute
thank you!!! that’s 6 months hrt btw so im sure i can go further
>if the behavior checks out
i will make sure to fag it up whenever im around them im sure its probably not hard to tell already though.
really helps my confidence to hear theee things though thank you anon!!
was taking an exam and started daydreaming about the weekend cock sucking, getting hard to think about anything else
perhaps i should have known because i do not think i have ever really had a wet dream of doing piv with a woman and then my underwear gets soaked whenever i read mef stuff

>>43125171
whats your shoulder size you have the faggiest face

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>>43125679
it's troons leeching our fetishes because they have no life or brain

>>43121389
>>43121609
>>43122064
holy shit write like a normal person

>>43126808
Lmao

>>43124225
>Being emasculated is a negative emotion. The sexual arousal from many negative emotions happens in order to convert something bad into something enjoyable

no it isn’t. not to me. bcus i’m just a tranny i don’t wanna be masculine at all. growing up there’d be moments where i’m seen as different from normal boys and othered and ppl make comments abt it. cus i was nonbinary asf growing up and i’m a youngshit and truetrans. and it felt bad because ppl made fun of me for not being masculine enough. but only bcus of the being othered and not fitting in and made fun of for being feminine and myself. it made me feel good tho that i wasn’t seen as the same as normal boys and more feminine. cus it was almost this thing i had of like bodycheckng except for social roles if that makes sense. but i wanted to be a girl tho not nonbinary. so being seen as different from normal boys but still not a girl wasn’t enough and caused simultaneous good and bad feelings. like “emasculinization” is ego syntonic but the still not being the same as a girl bcus dysphoria and being othered for having had been a faggot is the bad part for me. and im still brainwormed and don’t feel like i fit in so i need validation and the wound is unresolved so i fetishize it and wanna repeat it thru all the typical mef coded stuff

>>43125679
i like it when it hurts

>>43128649
>and it felt bad
You said it yourself.

>>43128678
but for different reason omfg it was only bcus homophobia and transphobia. i don’t wanna be masculine and not being masculine is a good thing inherently. emasculinization is not a trauma to me. being othered for being a faggot and seen as a boy is the trauma to me. like the pathway is totally different even tho it ends up similar and wanting most of the same things.like an i interpreting it wrong? my understanding is that typical mefs have emasculinization itself as the inherent trauma and wanna be masculine but can’t bcus they’re too twinky of something are faketrans or wtvr

>>43126787
sorry late reply had to go home and get a tape measure but 17 inches, and im 5’8

>>43128758
It doesn't matter why it felt bad. It did and you felt the need to make it feel better. Ti turn the pain into pleasure, which is such a cliche. You can suffer from being emasculated even if you don't want to be masculine, likely that even makes it stronger.

>>43126691
>i will make sure to fag it up whenever im around them
You should slowly fag it up all the time.
Behavioral conditioning basically. Fagmode/flamer is a stepping stone.
Fagmoding has multiple benefits: it accelerates the feminization of your behavior, attracts the attention of men and gets you closer to socializing with cis women. The latter is also important because you need to learn to emulate them.
Regardless of what you will choose in the future, it will still be useful.
t. >>43121609

>>43128758
nta
>not being masculine is a good thing inherently
Based <3
>that typical mefs have emasculinization itself as the inherent trauma and wanna be masculine
Neah. Or maybe I'm not the typical mef.
I just wasn't bothered too much for a while. Until I was and realized I do have a choice. Basically I already believed that not being masculine is a good thing inherently for me but hot on others. After some gaycoping I got into trooning.
>but can’t bcus they’re too twinky of something are faketrans or wtvr
"Faketrans" is a label liberally thrown around against MEFs, transmaxxers and others. I agree with the nonas above in the thread that envy plays a lot into this.

>>43128803
ohhhh ok i guess that makes sense. mechanistically tho my pathways the coolest desu. need a man who treats me like a twink and a girl at the same time

>>43128891
>Based <3

yay

>"Faketrans" is a label liberally thrown around against MEFs, transmaxxers and others. I agree with the nonas above in the thread that envy plays a lot into this.

well yes like if u acc transition thats better than being an annoying ass snoymoder but still “transmaxxers” are just ew like be fr wtf. but mef is so based when it’s a secondary thing tho

>>43128978
>but still “transmaxxers” are just ew like be fr wtf. but mef is so based when it’s a secondary thing
Well then I guess I'm "ew like be fr wtf" at least in part. Oh no.
MEF was my primary reason and unlike others, it didn't go away even after getting the snip. So now I sprint towards soulpassing because there's not much left to emasculate physically. Which is technically transmaxxing.
One of the few trannies I socialize with IRL is a transmaxxer. Former bitter incel now a beautiful passoid who soulpasses better than me. We met because her bf is a high school friend of my husband's. It's quite funny at girls' night out when the two of us wink and nudge that we're actually failed boys but that is what makes our existence more interesting.

>>43129145
Do you pass?

>>43129167
I'm 171cm tall, had ffs and have a 90cm ribcage.
I pass. Took a while, but I've been de facto stealth for 8 years now.

>>43129145
that’s crazy

>>43129212
That's cool

>>43129212
Was your ribcage always like that?

>>43129212
Maybe I should add resources for transmaxxing in the OP

>>43129257
It was a bit larger but not by much. I wouldn't know to tell you exactly because I didn't pay much attention to things I knew I can't change in a big way.
I focused on what I could change: face, hair, voice, hips, genitals, behavior (MEF helped a lot with the last two), thought patterns (work in progress), sexuality (lean hard into androphilia) and a lot less on what I can't change, such as ribcage.
Besides, I kinda like my clocky features. Plays well into being fundamentally a failed boy.

>>43129315
That's the part I wanted to ask. If you're transitioning because of being a failed boy instead of a woman then wouldn't being clocky matter less?

>>43129212
Are those measures good? What's the range?

>>43129328
In my case it made it easier to accept things that I can't change.
MEF made sure I changed everything I could reasonably change. Emphasis on reasonably. Like I didn't get an expensive BA or BBL. Fat redistribution and what I got from hrt is good enough. Also went with srs before ffs because mef :3

>>43129383
>Like I didn't get an expensive BA or BBL.
Maybe you should.

>>43129398
BBL before BA.

That or something like rib reduction or clavicle shortening.

>>43129363
Median female height in my country is 169cm. Visually I'm an average woman height wise because 2cm are not perceptible if I don't wear heels.
As for ribcage, 90cm is about right for a woman my height. Not quite supermodel proportions, but definitely something one easily sees on cis women randomly on the street.

>>43129416
Nice mine is 87cm

>>43129398
Neah. My man likes things the way they are and I've gotten comfortable in my life. I wear 34B (i think that's the correct conversion). So I'm very close to ideal for my proportions and thus BA would cost a lot for the fine tuning that would be appropriate.
I'd rather throw that money into paying off the house faster. I want to live well in my 40s and 50s too. And having property helps a lot more than having impeccable boobs. Ig I'm simply not agp.
I already kinda got what was reasonably achievable from transition. And the outcome is fine. I'm never sir'd, I have a healthy sex life that I enjoy with a husband that matches me, a job that pays reasonably well and finally a social life. Now I'm fine-tuning that.

>>43129480
At what height? 87cm at my height (171) is straight up amazing. 87cm at 180cm+ can be clocky or looks abnormal/disproportionate.

>>43129524
I'm 171cm too

>>43129535
Amazing <3
Your man must be quite happy to grab you :3

It is the holy duty of emasculated males to make themselves grabbable.
The process of estrogenisation will provide your man with so many new spots to hold you down and pull you around. The softer skin welcomes his hands to find a more comfortable grip. The growing breasts themselves are practically built for his hands to sink into. Longer hair provides the perfect grip to control your head movements as you lay under him.
The emasculated are easy to grab, easy to manipulate and easy for him to control control exactly to his liking.

>>43128807
>it’s a stepping stone
good way to think of it, i will try to condition myself this way. i already do something in between the fagvoice and trannyvoice quite a bit in public, not even on purpose it just comes out that way usually
>fagmoding has multiple benefits
i did get called gay often growing up so perhaps i did it unintentionally. everything you said seems very true
>socializing with cis women
i try to do this as much as i can to get a feel for things, and subconsciously try to emulate them a lot. but im sure i have more to go of course, but i definitely spend more time talking to women than men so that’s a good start, helps to soulpass someday
thank you so much nona i can’t say enough how thankful i am to be able to talk about these feelings for once and get advice, i always felt like such a weirdo for having a sexual component to wanting to transition. but knowing other people have this too and knowing there’s happy endings makes it feel a lot better. and it’s my life sexual repression is bad so doing something for a fetish is fine, i read that here before and it’s stuck with me.
still counting down the time to this weekend, i might get a dildo tomorrow night to train myself sucking
also might wear the cage i have to the date but failed boys don’t get to choose so that’s up to whoever im with :3

>>43130426
>not even on purpose it just comes out that way usually
Great.
>i always felt like such a weirdo for having a sexual component to wanting to transition
Most humans are sexual beings too. That includes trannies.
Too many trannies have embraced a story about sexuality that is, quite frankly, repressive in and of itself. Heaven forbid we enjoy our sex lives too.
>cage
Tbhon I've never been a fan of those. Fufu clips served me better pre-op. Better esthetic with tight clothes and also more fun to use during sex or solo play too. But you do you.

>>43130604
>heaven forbid we enjoy sex lives too
exactly, as an example yes i do absolutely feel more sexual arousal imagining myself feminine, people who say that makes me not trans are so silly, i was trying on my moms swimsuits when i was like 11. and so what it’s my body and my life
>fufu clips served me better
yes they do seem better and ill try to pick one up soon, that website you linked seemed like a good choice thank you. just probably won’t be here for the weekend so i’ll have to make do with what i have

>girl in bed, man in public
My physique made it so that I would ngmi as a woman in public. And I was (and am) lazy anyway. I tried being a flamer but even that was too hard. I'm a boring dude in public.
But NOT being emasculated by my bf would mean I'd never have sex.
Tried hrt and didn't do much for me except fewer erections (yay!) but did get me into the idea of getting srs. I just had a consult and the surgeon was like "there's more of you than you think". Uh... what? There's amab cuntboys out there?
Anyway, I suppose I'll join the ranks. My bf was shocked for 3 seconds when I brought up the idea to him and then he said he'll help me dilate.
This is crazy. I am crazy. But life's too short.

I have srs next month

I hope I can finally see myself as a woman and not as a traumatized mutilated man

>>43132254
Best of lucks nona!!!! <3