do you believe you are actually a woman?what i mean with that question is, when you go outside and look at the average cis woman that you normaly see at work or walking beside you in the streets, when you think of "woman" as it was understood for most of history, do you see yourself like that? you see yourself as that kind of woman?i will admit that my experience with trannies is limited. ive been around fags for a long time since i came out to my friends (not my family tho) and for the last 10 years ive seen the rise of trans people into the public eye and social circles more and more, but ive been raised and worked around women, and most of the trannies i talk with and see around me just don't act the same, like, to this day if someone asks me to visualize a woman the thought of that womant being trans doesn't really cross my mind.if you look into the threads that pop up every day in this board most of the trannies in them act nothing like the cis women i know, and the little experience i have with trannies irl also follows that trend. they don't have the same speech patterns, the same interests, the same focus or even the same way of socialising. what i end up getting from this interactions is not the feeling that im talking to a "woman" in the broad sense of the word, a lot of people that talk about being trans and "trooning out" feel more like guys who are desperate to not be seen as men by the people around them for whathever reason, rather than wanting for other to see them as women.when i think about this i always end up with the question in my head of "do they actually believe it?", "is it just a performance and thats that?". when i see a cis woman, even if they are queer, the question of them knowing 100% they are woman doesn't even cross my mind, because i asume that same thought doesn't even cross their mind.i dunno, this is more of a ramble than an actual elaborated position, but its a thought that shows up sometimes.
>>43115917I see myself as a woman who is not allowed to see herself as a woman. Whatever incongruence I have with women who can be openly women is down to the different treatment we receive. I don't really expect anyone to recognize me as a woman because I know it's too much to ask for.
yes i am performing and know i am a horrendous grotesque freak compared to cis women. i must hide away from them or else it would emphasize my massive skull and shoulders and height. but compared to men i'm still a lot thinner, less hairy, more frail, cute, so i dont fit in either. when no women are around im like the next best thing
>>43115917i dont see myself the same way. i dont see myself as either gender i just want to be a woman and want to get to a point where i look like an avrage cis woman.>is it just a performance and thats that?no, atleast for most trans people it isnt in my experience. personally i dont try to act any different than how i act naturally which i cant really compare to how either the males or the females my age who ive spent time around act. im just me
>>43115917no, I know im not a woman, but thats what it says on my DL and there isnt a bathroom or locker room for trannies.
>>43115917>Anon discovers normies and hylics
>>43115917Most trans women are deeply damaged and poorly adjusted from not having a normal childhood development (unless they are very lucky and transitioned as a young child). I think you're underestimating or unaware of the extent of the damage caused by being so dissociated and dypshoric (which leads to other mental issues) from essentially the time we are concious (even if we're not aware we're trans yet) has on transgender women. It completly derails our ability to connect to other people and form any coherent sense of self (even when we don't have autism, because not all trannies are autistic, if anything most aren't, autism is just common on 4chan and internet forums). Especially when combined with male conditioning from a young age, which some of us internalize and match somewhat, but others don't, it's a mixed bag desu, not all trannies are super malebrained. Some male conditioning effects some and with others it's minimal. These immense mental damage is perhaps the cause of the behavioral issues you notice.That's not even discussing the immense pyschic distress of going through a male puberty. Which causes a severe escalation in all of the already existing pre-pubescent childhood mental illness I discussed earlier. I think you should give trangender women some degree of grace with your judgements and realize that cis women get female typical conditioning and physcial development that allows them to be much more adjusted in their gender, yes even if they're queer or whatever. To anyone who shares OP's thought process and maybe is just sort of ignorant and curious and isn't just a transphobe, I hope this provides some insight.
>>43116258You did a much better job of putting it simply than me lol
>>43116356sure trauma may be the why, but that doesnt answer if the lack of a female upbringing makes trans women less real.
>>43116413Less real means what?
>>43116413The whole point of my statement is, yeah we'd be normal and adjusted women if we weren't damaged. I don't think being damaged makes us "less real." We are just fucked up damaged women. There's nothing metaphyscial about the damage imo, if cis women had the same conditioning as trans women they too would be weird and fucked up. It doesn't somehow strip us away of being women. Gender is just sort of something you are, not just your upbringing, although maybe that's too woke for 4chan or whatever.
>>43116501gender is mental. Sex is physical. We are missing a lot of the mental part and there is no way to get it. Therefore, we are less women. . >>43116441not real women
>>43116545Being raised normally doesn't make you a woman. It's makes you less mentally ill. The only thing we are missing is the experience of not being mentally ill. Call me a tumblrina but gender is not something that can be stripped away because society fucked you up nor does it degrade our gender to make us less women. It just makes us more mentally ill women. Healing the mental illness and just being your innate female self is enough to be a woman imo. I think self flagellating about being an incomplete woman because we aren't lucky enough to get a normie experience in life is silly and unproductive.
Well anon. I have a couple different perspectives on this one.Trans women, while we are women are different. Like all things its a spectrum.Some trans women are basically just men in dresses. Others are almost indistinguishable from a cis woman. I feel like alot of us lie somewhere between the two. Its hard not to have some masculine traits or interests when for a good chunk of our lives its how we are conditioned.To put it in 4chan terms, there are gigahons, ans gigapassoids. Then there are the ones who just pass but under a microscope sure you could spot something. There are twink hons who are almost there. But, I think at a certain point you're just splitting hairs. Cis women dont all behave a certain way and its kinda misogynistic to say just because a trans woman plays video games or something shes male brained. What, women cant play video games? THAT thought process is male brained.This board is mostly mind worms. The truth is infront of you. Wanna know if you pass? See how strangers treat you in a place their not looking for trannys. Dress androgynous and see how youre gendered. Like going to a gas station with a hoodie and baggy jeans in an area where people arenr peogressive. All this 4chan stuff is made up bs. I have people on here tell me I soul pass and then say im a twinkhon, but in reality I never believed I passed until I had an entire year of not getting misgendered under any scenario in public. Whether I was dressed up or just wearing nuetral/masc clothes. I live in redneck bumfuck nowhere. When I didnt pass people intentionally called me sir. Im still nervous some days, but I legit get the strangest look when handing my license over if they catch the M nowadays.
>>43116693>What, women cant play video games? THAT thought process is male brained.I think this only scratches the surface of the whole can of worms that is social dysphoria and uneven gender normsGenerally speaking, women can do more or less whatever they want and it won't make them any less of a woman, at worse they might be criticized by some more conservative people but it's not really culturally enforcedMen generally have more strict roles in society, and deviating from them faces more criticism or even legal issues (try dodging draft for example)For some of us it's not so much about wanting to be 100% fembrained with 100% feminine hobbies and lifestyles, but just wanting to live our lives without pressure, still being respected for the good things we do
>>43116693>Cis women dont all behave a certain way and its kinda misogynistic to say just because a trans woman plays video games or something shes male brained. What, women cant play video games? THAT thought process is male brained.but isn't there a standard?like, most people in this board and i would asume society as a whole "know" that there is a certain line of behaviours that women tend to show in society most of the time, its not something like what you do to entertain yourself or what kind of culture you follow, its that when given the freedom to choose a way to engage with the larger society out there, they tend to have ways that the communicate, aestheticaly preform, and unique ways that they see the world outside of the other "man" way of "being" (if that makes any sense).this board is constantly mentions the want to be "girly", but that wan't impies that there is a was to BE girly. is that way of being girly conded in their heads? is there a certain structure of neurons that cis women have and (seems like) some trans people share? what communicates to a human something is "girl"? i just get the feeling if that standard didn't exist in some way outside of how you are socialised.
>>43115917Not reading all that but no, I don’t. And it weirds me put when people act like they do.
>>43116879somebody sent this before:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34030966/i thinks it's pretty insightful, but most of the girls here are just obsessed with being fembrained (me included sometimes) when it's extremely dumb to worry about something no one will see bc your whole life is just a performance. jst try to perform with what you want to be and mould yourself senseless
I don't understand the confusion over this issue. Transition clearly makes you intersex. So we are both really. The Thais worked this out centuries ago.
>>43116985Intersex is not a gender identity. Claim yourself as a third gender or nonbinary, but you are not intersex.
>>43115917>do you actually believe it?Yes.
>>43115917>"is it just a performance and thats that?"It's all a performance, if anything cis women are performing harder than anyone else because cis women know that if they act out "womanhood" well enough they will be accepted. Meanwhile most trans women know we'll never be accepted even if we perform being a woman "right" so we mostly just do our own thing and only a handful of stupid pick me fuckups like Blaire White and Brianna Wu put on the whole facade just to get rejected anyways.
>>43115917I don't feel like a man or a woman. I feel like myself. I feel like you're trying too hard to fit people into clean little categories when the human experience is vast. People are not a monolith.
>>43116915Yeah this study is wild. It literally proves trans people on average are genuinely closer to their preferred gender. Its actually biology. Takes the whole perverts and freaks only argument to the ground idk why it never gets brought up
>>43115917Yes
>>43116915Whenever I see actual studies on the matter, I'm just reminded that a brain scan will certainly reveal that I'm a mentally ill cis man
>>43116999It's almost as if gender identities are bullshit. I have breasts and a penis. If I was born this way I'd be called intersex.
