the male gender role is absurdly strictwhy does it matter if a man puts on fake breasts? who is that hurting? maybe your gender dysphoria is a reaction to living in a world where men are harshly judged for ANY sort of self expression unrelated to athletics/combat/academic testing success.
Good thread
>>43122150>maybe your gender dysphoria is a reaction toIt isn't.
>>43122175you have no idea what it would be like to live in a world where males were free to socialize however it pleased them from birth
>>43122150facts bro it blew my mind when i learned ftms can get away with packing and no one cares but if a man walked around with a boner he'd be charged with a public indecency arrest
>>43122185I can use my imagination.
>>43122150Lol old argument, still dumb
>>43122191no, its a whole different world you will never get to experiencefrom birth males are bombarded with messaging and pressure to keep them on a narrow path of physical competition and success, or, alternately, exclusion and isolation meant to destroy them >>43122190I see women dressed with tits and butt hanging out all the time, but a man dresses privately with plastic boobs? world is ending!
>>43122210>no, its a whole different world you will never get to experienceExactly, like how writers pen fictional worlds none of us will ever get to experience. I can simply imagine the scenario you propose, and I say it has nothing to do with my decisions.
>>43122208might be old and dumb but it tecnically remained unresolved.
if you could just wave your finger and make all dumb and old arguments disappear the wolrd would collapse in an instant. they remain unresolved because the tension motivated normies to participate in their own oppression
>>43122267>speaking out against gender roles is oppression
I promise I'll care about Noemi's husband when she will be shamed into oblivion for being a crossdressing whore in public.She gets to cosplay as a policeman in public while being a public official, then surely he gets to engage in his sissy fetish in private.Foids are the enemy on this one.>>43122185But I want to find out. Especially since it would displease foids which in itself is a very good thing.
>>43122295Are we not allowed to make females uncomfortable?
>>43122290more like it incentives self repression and policing of others so yes. indeed.
>>43122325women don't police their own behaviormales are endlessly scrutinized and subject to harsh, arbitrary, unreasonable restrictions
>>43122150>why does it matter if a man puts on fake breasts? who is that hurting?the entire male social experience is women think you can overpower them so you have to placate them and society at all timesshave your face because it makes you come off as more domesticatedsit at the back of the bus, the front is for women and breedersbe careful of how you're walking, cross the street to avoid walking too close behind womenthe male gender role is policed by the concept that men are drafted into competing for women's attention and that not actively trying to get with women is social suicide while simultaneously the women that the attention is being fought over are traumatized by this war and view people trying to defect as war criminals or something
>>43122339they do and they police mens too. this is another old and dumb debate btw. camatte wrote on it in like the 60s-70s. capitalism already profits by people trying to fight it. we're priced in.
>>43122364capitalism is a reflection of female control of society, and their desire to get men to compete to provide them with resources, an actual patriarchy would be communitarian
>>43122150>>43122295>>43122346>>43122389can you please go fucking kill yourselves
>>43122389you have to substantiate your claims. the way men act in reality is different than your presumptions. you say this is because women control them, but your reasoning is circular. probably because you can't confront that both women and men use capital to oppress each other, themselves, and women, indiscriminately.
>>43122441my reasoning isn't circularwomen are weak and stupid and rely on men to provide them with free shitthus women push men to compete economically with other men because they want the most free shit for themselveswomen hate sharing because they have nothing to contributeyou have no idea of how much of your world is just brainwashing from women that you will never questionreputation?foid mind controlanti-communism?foid mind controldemonization of males as criminals/sex perverts:foid mind controlreligion?foid mind controlwhat do you think women are specialized for?tricking men into giving them shit to make babies
>>43122150he is beautiful
>>43122458your argument of gynocracy makes the same mistake feminists make of patriarchy which is that even under your model, women still oppress women too. if women arent an absolute, totalizing force, then there is some other force motivating them. name it
>>43122533there is no one singular forcejust a bunch of scared people not wanting to stick out
>>43122533women are hierarchical women who are gender conforming oppressthose who are less soits not all women doing it, really just those nearer the top of the ladder socially >women compete with other women>this means they cannot oppress menwhat
KAM. i wish misandry was real
>>43122150I knew when I was 6 and there were signs beforehandmy dysphoria isnt a reaction to anything except growing up in a mismatched body
>>43122663boys experience gender roles before age 6
>>43122541>there is no one singular forcewhy not?>just a bunch of scared people not wanting to stick out fear of non conformity or tribal exclusion>>43122556>gender conformingso you both argue that its about conforming. lets say youre right women create gender to get each other and men to conform and to get men to compete economically to give them shit to make babies. the problem is its not a war where women are forcing men. men choose resource acquisition for themselves. doing it for women is cringe. you can argue the "foid mind control" is so deep that its embedded genetically. then men who dont have these genes are selected against, is that your argument?
>>43122730its a mix of genes and luck/random chancemen choose resource acquisition because women ostracize men who are not producers women use shaming as a weapon to enforce conformity
>>43122339>women don't police their own behaviorlol
>>43122750 moids still do resource acquition in their video games
>>43122730>why not?nothing in the biological-anthropological verse is ever a product of a single force. it's always complex. there's a mess of social and biological factors at work that produce trannies>t. nta but very much relate to being fucked up by restrictive male gender norms
>>43122768video games are mind control and neurological reprogramming for failed males that women wish to keep docile>just shoot these guns on a screen don't actually harm the people oppressing you
>>43122812whenever people do something you think is bad for them you call it mind control. its probably the opposite people just want pleasure and mind control is to make them useful otherwise they would just profit selling pleasure and not go to extra lengths to be subversive>>43122799i meant the hierarchical organizing force for the supposed gynocracy. if there is a hierarchy as that anon argues, then they should be able to name the force that defines the order?
>>43122930well no i think its a distraction from engaging with reality and their actual problems, as well as being antisocial and low interactionyou don't deal with other people in video games just a monkey pushing buttons >then they should be able to name the force that defines the order?what
>>43122940ya its the path of least resistance for cheap dopamine>whaty ou named gender conformity as the force, and you also said women create gender (iirc) feels circular and also rich high status men dont care about conforming to gender and they dont pick women who care about that either. we actually see women copy gay men to attract straight men such as the ftfemboy thing a couple years ago
>>43122150I've no problem with a man wearing silicone breast plates if he wants, maybe he was in the wrong company?
>>43123104I didn't say gender conformity was a force its just that women exploit the concept to humiliate and oppress other women and men who don't fit into the schema, I'm not saying women actually believe in it sincerely or it's truly important to them no, women create gender rules and restrictions, all the social politeness and manners rules you encounter were put there by women as stumbling blocks to humiliate and trip up those less apt at performing them >women copy gay menyou live in a fantasy I do wonder about people like you who just blindly defend women at all costs. Do you realize women hate you too for being male?
>>43122150TRUTHThe matriarchy rules with an iron fist. Despite being the most oppressed, many men ignore this.
