Loser autistic gamer boys who want to LARP as the girls they wish existed but don't.

I wanna be wanted

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>>43130751
AGP

internalized homophobia, gay men are totally unwanted in society by the foid ruling class and are treated worse than dirt
putting on a female costume is essentially begging for people to be nicer to you under the stipulation that you have abandoned all pretense of athletic competition with other males

>>43130751
The tranny thoughts don't go away. Ever.
Doesn't matter how long you ignore them.
Doesn't matter how many women you fuck.
How many weights you lift.
How long you grow out your "beard"
You're just delaying the inevitable. Everyone can tell

>>43131076
if you accept being gay (and I mean TRULY accept it, not conditionally, not if I only have these sex positions or hide in the closet) but really let yourself be fully gay and fully present - you would never wish to be a woman again.

>>43130751
Gender Dysphoria.

>>43131056
what happened to you?

>>43131076
This is right
>>43131082
This is wrong. This is just a different type of conversion therapy.
Not to mention that most trans women are lesbians.

>>43131102
I've been treated like a pariah by women for being gay and I can't help but wonder if the same thing happened to "trans" people, they just felt it was a solvable problem by changing themselves.

>>43131103
>most trans women are lesbians
not true they're just most of the terminally online ones.
trannies are roughly 40/40/20 straight/bisexual/lesbian iirc

>>43131103
>most trans women are lesbians
um no most estimates have it at 70ish percent of trans women being into men and women, or just men, but the surveys are trash and use confusing categories like queer that tell you nothing about sex preference

remember, only 2-3% of men admit to being gay OR bi, so if the number of trans women liking men is above 3%, that's overrepresentation
>but trans women are women
let's not do this please, we are too old for this game

>>43131115
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25299675/

>>43131125
>peer reviewed study from 2014
LOL

>>43131125
maybe im reading this wrong but it doesn't seem to separate trans men and trans women

>>43131123
But trans women ARE women.
As always your premise assumes your conclusion.
Pre-transition we are neurologically female and hormonally male.
Post-transition we are neurologically female and hormonally female.

What part of that do you actually manage to convince yourself predicts a normal male sexuality distribution?

And if you can't understand what I'm saying right now then you're too dumb to have this conversation.

>>43131147
You're reading it wrong.

>>43131125
the publicly available portion of this study you linked gives no sexuality incidences, it just states that 40% of trannies experienced a change in sexuality.

>>43131082
Oh please living like this was the norm for plenty of trannies in the early 2000s, 1990s and they still had an unshakable desire to be women.

>>43131158
The full text is linked on the top right hand side of the page.

>>43131103
Trannies who only fuck clocky trannies aren't really gynephilic even if that's how they self identify.

>>43131153
where does it say the gynephilia estimate was JUST of trans women then?

>>43131165
homophobia never went away and exists, still, even in "leftist" areas

>>43131108
if some trans people told you that they were accepted and loved by the women around them growing up, would you believe them?

>>43131184
It breaks it down by MtF and FtM in the results.

>>43131211
it would be more helpful to specifically post that part of the survey
I know there are other ones, but somehow they are kinda hard to find, but I have definitely seen that usually the results are that a majority of trans women are bi or straight
pure lesbianism is actually quite uncommon in most surveys (and in reality probably means t4t)

>>43131236
>somehow they are kinda hard to find
Yeah the internet has been useless for research since 2017 after Biden's "Department of misinformation" (I still can't believe that's what they actually called it) decided to blanket censor anything that wasn't listed on the NASDAQ.

But that study hasn't been refuted in any meaningful sense.

Yes, you sexuality can change on hormones.
No, most MtFs were not gay men before they transitioned.
Yes, even after transition most MtFs remain exlusively or primarily attracted to women, even though about 37% change.

And if you think about it that pretty much matches up to IRL experiences where pre-transition 10% of trannies were gay and 90% weren't. Post-transition 40% are straight and 60% are les.

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>>43131236
ok so i am skimming the survey
its very weird you are basically going off just the one figure where 72% say they are attracted to cis women but that number does not say its just trans women, it just is labeled "transgender" in the graph suggesting it is trans women and men lumped together, and in a different graph when asked if they are lesbian, only 11% of trans women say they are, and 23% say they are straight

also, there's non informational answers like "same gender loving" and "other" so you have no idea if the people answering that way like men or women or both

>>43131272
>But that study hasn't been refuted in any meaningful sense.
I just refuted it. They asked trans women directly if they were lesbians and only 11% said yes. 23% said they were straight and 29% said they were bi

that's about 11% pure gynephiles and nearly 50% androphiles, not including the ridiculous other categories

>>43131082
I said tranny thoughts not gay thoughts. I fucked guys too but that didn't make it go away either. Life would be soooo much easier if I was just gay or bi. Like a thousand fold. Tried that. Didn't fix anything

>>43130751
a variety of interesting and varied birth defects
and much more commonly a simple desire to feel pretty
course in the former case they weren't really boys to begin with but ennnnnh complicated and no one actually cares since it might fuck with their stories

>>43130751
Very good mothers and distant fathers, Plus sexy trannies on the internet. Plus shitty gender roles.

>>43131300
tranny thoughts are a way of trying to rationalize gay thoughts
being a woman means you can express yourself and be attracted to men without being scorned

>>43131287
>math is hard for girls

>>43131171
ok i skimmed the tables, what immediately stands out to me is that these are n=36 gynephelic trannies who started cross sex hormones at the average age of 43.
of n=70 total, 51.4% with initially gynephilic orientation, of which 40% experienced a change in orientation, most becoming more gynephilic (n=14) and a few becoming more androphilic (n=3).
the average age of CSHT being 43 is pretty clearly not a representative sample of trannies today most of whom start between 18 and 25. john50s are basically a different species to the contemporary midshit tranny. extrapolating 2014 data on john50s to ALL trannies is almost certainly inaccurate

>>43131314
Can you please, PLEASE, just read what gender dysphoria actually is before you assume it doesn't exist.

I'm transgender, I'm real, I'm here, I'm talking to you, and I'm telling you what my experiences are.

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria

>>43131365
Too much effort for me to deal with this shit and I just don't care enough about what you think.

>>43131368
If gay men were women they wouldn't be subject to homophobia.
People who transition and are amab are FAR more likely to be attracted to men then men who don't transition.

gender dysphoria is just magic words you throw at anyone scrutinizing your antisocial behavior in hopes of shaming/silencing them with indirect suicide threats

>>43131393
>No
Then what's the fucking point of this conversation. You don't even know what you don't believe in. You just need me to not exist, and I can't help you with that.

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>>43131378
too much effort? bro you linked a study that surveyed 70 trannies who started HRT at 43 years old, it's not that fucking complicated to understand that people who transition after midlife crisis divorcing their wives aren't reflective of tranny population demographics.
weird how people pull out "I don't care what you think" when what you think are facts lol

>>43131418
you exist, as a male crossdresser who responded to anti-gay anti-gnc persecution by changing yourself in hopes of assimilation to a society that doesn't accept men looking masculine and acting feminine

>>43131433
But that's not what I am.
That's what you need me to be because you need what I actually am to not be real so that your world can make sense again.

Sorrynotsorry but I can't help you with that.

I grew too big, too fast at age 10 or so which freaked me out and drove me to anorexia, and after a while I found my body 'pretty' for the first time, which then I concluded if I could be a woman I could stay delicate and 'pretty' like that forever.

So uh maybe eating disorders can cause it?

>>43130751
It is socially outlawed to actually study and question, is it not? Ever since the formal exclusion of it being considered a mental disorder.

>>43131477
a majority of gay men have eating disorders, most commonly anorexia
males are wider and larger than females, and anorexia attempts to suppress these size differences

>>43131479
1. gender dysphoria, gender identity disorder transsexualism are all ICD and DSM diagnostic disorders.
2. actually it's harder to study in the USA because federal research grants are withdrawn from public universities on almost all tranny research, to comply with trump executive orders on "gender ideology" that literally filter for language like "sex assigned at birth" and "transsexual." there is simply no funding for tranny research.

>>43131575
I see, thank you. Thats a shame.

>>43131575
imagine trying to study if women are in fact covertly homophobic

>>43131314
I wanna be a woman not a fuckin fairy serving cunt.
Functional womb (yes, periods too), lactating breasts, the ability to get pregnant, etc
But I can't have all that so I gotta settle for exogenous estrogen. Sucks but that's life. We don't always get what we want

>>43131575
>gender identity disorder transsexualism
This isn't a thing any more.
It's been very much established that the nature of gender dysphoria is rooted in neurology, not psychology.

Gender Identity Disorder = the delusion present in men that they are actually women
Gender Dysphoria = the dysphoria experienced by transgender women from not living as their neurological gender.

But yeah, the research ban is fucking nuts. Transmeds rise up.

>>43131621
because fairys are treated as pariahs
women have easy lives as long as they shit out babies for men

Male pattern baldness

>>43131628
you say it's not a thing but it very much is in that the diagnostic codes are still applied and used by insurers and providers.
"gender identity disorder, unspecified" is the typical diagnosis used by providers when a patient wishes to start cross sex hormones through informed consent. it's the least authoritative diagnosis because nurse practitioners without psychiatric licenses can issue it. it has nothing to do with men being delusional, it has to do with prescriptions requiring a diagnosis even with informed consent.

>>43131690
homosexuals used to be classified medically as sociopaths by the very same sorts of professionals

>>43131705
yes the medical establishment has a long history of fucking with sexual and racial minorities, what's your point

>>43131762
transgenderism is just medicalizing gender non conformity, which is harmful, they are just tricking men into being castrated under the promise it will fix their miserable lives, and men who didn't feel better after getting castrated are scared to speak out and shamed if they try

its not so important what the "diagnosis" is, as what the treatment consists of, and what effects it has

>>43131789
nah that's fucking retarded, i'd been dysphoric since childhood and didn't talk to providers about it til i was 24. it's a similar story with most trannies. by the time we talk to providers for the first time most of us are already adamant on castrating ourselves. sounds like you just don't believe gender dysphoria is real and have to come up with a conspiracy theory to justify it

>>43131546
Probably depends on the age it develops, pre-pubescent onset is pretty uncommon and I imagine more prone to associating being delicate and femaleness.

>>43130751
>what makes some boys wanna be girls?
Holocaust denile and corn syrup

>>43131997
sounds like you don't believe homophobia is real or unaddressed or significant enough to traumatize a man into becoming willing to castrate himself to escape it

>>43131690
The diagnosis I have is gender inconguence.
And the hormones were prescribed under the informed consent model for gender dysphoria.

>>43131705
Bitch if you had any clue the torrential sewage trans women have to swim through to get even the most basic levels of medical care you wouldn't be talking to us about doctors.

>>43132074
do you believe in the concept of there being multiple possible motivations behind doing somebody doing something?

>>43131789
> tricking men into being castrated under the promise it will fix their miserable lives
It does tho. The difference is remarkable. Even in those who don't choose social transition the increase in mood and functioning is significant.

What's dangerous is denying sick "men" medical care. Repressed trans women are a danger to themselves and others, they are being driven mad by testosterone that is also making them instinctively choose violence, and the mental strain they are under means they are less and less able to control those instincts.

>>43132185
why am i so illiterate :(

>>43132185
do you believe in the concept of people hiding behind words to avoid talking about something difficult they fear could make them look bad?

>>43132197
this is how people talk about cults
>I joined hare krishna and now I love the swami and am healed from my pain

>>43132145
estrogen is absurdly easy to purchase online
if trannies are supposed to have 120+ IQs and you can't figure that out, that's on you

>>43132074
i didn't like being a gay man because i didn't like being a man, not because of homophobia. the way gay men treat other gay men is completely different than the way straight men treat women. so if some gay men want to be treated like women... they transition.
tbhonest it sounds like you're just projecting your own struggles with homophobia on to all trannies, male socialization is inherently homophobic and absolutely traumatizing but you're entirely inventing a narrative about "escaping homophobia" and trying to retcon other people's lives to fit it. if you actually had respect for those traumatized by being raised in a homophobic society you wouldn't be trying to invent their own life histories for them. trauma is subjective and personal.

>>43132212
if gay men were women they wouldn't be gay

>>43132197
All men are driven mad by testosterone. We are worker ants made to die after copulation, our final ecstasy being the sweet release of death.”

Or something

>>43132212
Do you think this is true for gigapassoids? What happens when the man wants a child?

>>43132211
>this is how people talk about cults
Yeah because spirtuality is actually an important part of life.

>estrogen is absurdly easy to purchase online
1. We're not all American, some of us live in countries where customs and border control isn't just a bunch of hillbillies with AR15s.
2. There is SO MUCH MORE to gender affirming care than estrogen
3. Gender dysphoria doesn't discriminate based on IQ, I really don't understand where you got the idea that trannies are all genuises.

>>43132244
grim if true

>>43132244
>What happens when the man wants a child?
i'm not sure what you mean, a gigapassoid is functionally just an infertile woman. if the man wants a biological child but his wife is infertile, that's obviously going to be contentious and could result in the end of the relationship, or it could result in a compromise like adopting, surrogacy, or fostering.
motherhood isn't something all women do, and fatherhood isn't something all men do. ideally you find someone with life goals that align with your own

>>43131647
No one gives a shit about yo gay fairy ass. Politicians keep writing legislation specifically about trans people making it illegal to exist. We've reached, *illegal to wear clothes or makeup not in-line with your sex at birth* type laws. Being gay is easy mode

>>43132403
nta
>*illegal to wear clothes or makeup not in-line with your sex at birth* type laws
Can you cite such a law?
Ideally the law itself or a news article that's not from a gigacommie "source" or some fucktarded blog. Tyvm.

>>43132635
https://ohiohouse.gov/news/republican/ohio-house-passes-indecent-exposure-modernization-act-to-protect-children-and-preserve-privacy-142998

>>43132211
>do you believe in the concept of people hiding behind words to avoid talking about something difficult they fear could make them look bad?
yes, i do. i also believe in there being multiple different reasons as to why someone would want to do something, but you don't for some reason. why is that? have you considered transitioning for long time, found these were your motivations, and then projected that onto all trans people? do you think they're all carbon copies of you? you should learn about "theory of mind". that could help you seem less autistic to people