Which of these is more valid to you?>cis man on HRT who swears up and down he is not trans and will never socially transitions, wears male clothing, has not changed name, pronouns, ID, etc, but is fully feminized and uses a sports bra or binder to hid his chestor>trans woman who has never touched estrogen, says you don't need it to be trans, but presents feminine, has changed ID, name, pronouns, beard shaved, hair long, uses makeup. Looks like a guy in a dress.
>>43148831the first by far, that's me except I admit I'm trans and just call myself a permamanmoder
but also validity is gay and if someone wants to for whatever reason just be a no-hrt hon it's fine
>>43148831"valid" is such a bullshit term.the first is me because i care most about how i feel in my own body, but it does kill me every day for people to see & treat me like a man.if the 2nd not on hrt is out of choice, not circumstance, AND they dont pass, i just cant understand that. might as well be a different species to me.
>>43148831i am a cis man on hrt so the first option
>>43148888for the thought experiment lets say both are sincere and not being held back by society (the first isn't forced in the closet and is in fact open about taking estrogen, the second could get HRT but doesn't want to)
>>43148831The first is much more attractive than the second scenario
>>43148831what even is validity
>>43148901if theyre not hurting anybody, there's no issue. At worst, theyre weird to me, somebody who is also weird to most people
>>43148901Then the cis man for sure.
>>43148831The first one is basically my boyfriend. We live together and he's an amazing life partner (in addition to being a great fuck). He doesn't wear a sports bra, though. His tits are barely noticeable.Idk what "valid" is. He loves the way his body is and I love his body too. And that's all that matters.
>>43149102extremely cute
>>43151213His personality is even cuter than his body, desu.And the physical contrast between us makes it hot too. We both won at faggotry, unironically. Life is comfy.
>>43148831the first one because hons are inherently faketrans
>>43148831the former obviously
>>43148831>>43148831both are valid
>>43148831#1 is sexy because I have a TF fetish and the ones where somebody's body is slowly changing and they're trying hard to hide it from everyone else around them until they can't is kinda hot.All boymoders, manmoders, HRT cis men/women, HRT reppers, etc. exist to appease my fetish, and I thank you for your service.
>>43148831valid what???they're not the same things but they they're also not the same as a transwoman that actually transitions and lives as a womanthe only good reason ppl keep asking stuff like this is cos they're thinking about it the wrong way tbqh
>>43153149Based. Why is #2 not sexy?
>>43153208Because the changes are by choice and cosmetic, while hormonal and biological changes can't be controlled. Whatever is in your genes is what you get for the most part.
>>43153220I guess you can control it a little with how you dose, but I get it. It's a way different dynamic.
>>43148831first is an hrtrepper on the right track towards boymoderism while the second is so unimaginably retarded i couldn't even pity them
