The trans girl so explicitly catered to my tastes that I started to believe it was actually divine providence that we got to together cheated on me with a pedophile transbian she knew for 2 days. It's been 2 years and it's still all I think about. I met another trans girl who I was pretty into and I was slowly but surely thinking about the one before her less and less but she told me she had lost interest because "our world views are the polar opposite" in regards to the fact she has forced herself to maintain unrelenting delusional optimism (by her own admission) and I am extremely cynical and negative because a lot of the reasons my life is hellish is other people convincing themselves things will 'just work out' and therefor their actions have no consequences. Anyways where do I meet a woman, cis or trans, who actually values the concept of justice, understands that things only improve if a person explicitly makes the choice to work to improve it and that extremely few people will, and in general has a skeptical/cynical outlook on life, but doesn't just become an entitled narcissist from that? Supposedly goth/punk women used to be this but obviously that's all been co-opted to hell and back by e-girls. I genuinely don't know if this kind of person can realistically exist, and figure if they do they probably get snatched up INSTANTLY and have no problem keeping the relationship going, but the only reason I haven't roped yet is pettiness around proving a point and the tiniest glimmer of hope that maybe I'm wrong and they could exist and I could find them.
>>43165772>understands justice>has a skeptical/cynical outlook>not an entitled narcissist i mean in my experience everyone who has a genuine skeptical outlook on the world *either* also has a relatively utilitarian moral perspective *or* is an entitled narcissistwhat do you mean by "understands justice"?
>>43165838I said values the concept of justice, and understands how things actually get done. Just saying "isn't retarded" was what I felt compelled to say but that doesn't communicate much. But, as an example - I developed moral OCD for various reasons and part of that led to me getting fixated on psychology and going to school for that, while over the years spending a lot of my free time playing armchair therapist for people online because I knew if I didn't, it was unlikely that anyone else would, and I felt it was a grave injustice that so many people get completely fucked over by life right out the gate because some people are evil and most others completely apathetic. I care about equality/equity in ways that aren't simply performative and detest hypocrisy.
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>>43165909sorry that i mistyped/misunderstood. that's a good understanding of "justice" that is pretty workable to a utilitarian framework. do you still experience moral OCD? do you think bad people deserve bad things?what does your personal moral framework look like?what do *you* look like? (mostly irrelevant i'm just curious)
>>43165772Diddy blud fell for bpd mirroring
>>43165772>Bro literally described me omg To bad im already in a relationship and im the breadwinner haha embarrassing for u
>>43165772Free will doesnt exist
>>43165950>do you still experience moral OCD?I still have a lot of the same values but the OCD part is mostly gone and has basically inverted to making me full of myself. Taking a step back and trying to assess everything that's happened to me as if it was another person has just led me to realizing it's insane things got anywhere near as bad as they did and that if I had met anyone like the person I was, I would've moved mountains for them and been an absolute simp if they showed any interest in me - and of course I found them physically attractive, but I don't have any reason to believe my 'standards' for that are particularly high. >do you think bad people deserve bad things?Yes, but I think people also need to have the opportunity to fix things, and also the opportunity to just generally become a better person and not be fucked forever because they were awful before. It's a sliding scale though, and ultimately I believe the worse something someone does is, the less likely they are to ever properly "repent", but I think the option should be there, up to a point.>what does your personal moral framework look like?I don't know if there's a way to actually simplify it that much. People describe what they think a 'good person' is like, but almost always fail to both live up to it AND actually treat people who do act like that with any respect. Jesus is like the quintessential 'goodest guy ever' and the moral of his story is that, what he got for being that good of a person, was torture and death. The ONLY reason he isn't the singular most tragic character ever written is that he came back to life. I guess the best way to put it is that I think the world should be a place where even though there will always be people who would crucify Jesus, we have to actually have people who would intervene.>what do *you* look like?Like a fatter Russel Crowe back when he had long hair.
>>43165916yeah this is sad but true, like you can get a pretty gf that loves you but just sitting around and waiting until someone is literally perfect and aligns with you on every level is just the worst aspect of fembrain desu
>>43166205>do you believe bad people deserve bad things?>Yesyou are not worthy of consideration.
>>43165963That did happen but it went well beyond that. Her chosen first and middle name held a lot of significance to me, and she talked about most of her interests and things she wanted out of life/a relationship well before I ever brought up mine and there was a ton of stuff I had never seen anyone bring up before. For it to have been intentional at all would have required Machiavellian levels of stalking and planning.>>43166113Exactly my point but there's also still a good chance we don't align on much else. >>43166220I didn't mention anything about actual hobbies, what I prefer in terms of physical appearance, nothing about not being willing to date long distance, etc. etc. My literal only stipulation was "someone who actually cares that problems exist and wants to fix them". I even mention how the last person I was interested in turned ME down because I wasn't positive enough - the unspoken part being that her delusional positivity wasn't a deal breaker for me so long as she actually showed she had good judgement. >>43166281Incarceration is a "bad thing" but a premeditated murderer who killed someone for fun should not be in the general public. The only way we could theoretically "stop" cruelty and sociopathic tendencies from existing is a complete overhaul of how children are raised which would in of itself basically require eugenics and/or massive government oversight and intervention. The only way you can truly disagree that 'bad' people deserve 'bad' things is if you have a bizarre definition of 'bad', you think 'hug it out' type stuff is remotely viable (which puts you in the camp of being an accessory to those awful behaviors through making excuses and enabling them), or the original premise of the kind of person I described was never you to begin with. Most likely it's all 3.
>>43165772sometimes i think they're right that there are no consequences that life is a free ridebut i know it isn't true i know this i don't even question it anymore
>>43167291i'm saying that the fundamental aspect of life is cause and effect action and consequence and i'm not saying that things work out im just saying that the idea that nothing ever happens runs counter to conditioned existence itself
>>43167291>>43167311On a societal level, things happen, it's just infrequent and somewhat arbitrary because people don't like change and don't like to question the rituals that have been passed down to them. If you ask why something is done a specific way, most often the answer will be "because that's how we've always done it". Consequences work on a more individualistic basis, and the unfortunate reality is that the way things have shifted in the western world, the biggest consequence you will face from being an awful person is often just guilt and remorse, so if you don't feel those or convince yourself through misapplied therapyspeak that you're for some reason exempt, then there often truly is no real consequences beyond likely having someone leave your life, which in the same vein, those same mentalities often lead to people viewing others as disposable - so again, not a real consequence to them.And of course a lot of people will see this behavior and just think "well it isn't being done to me so I don't care".
this resonates with me a lot. this world is so broken. terrible systems that generate unspeakable amounts of pain propagate themselves and take over and people are completely blind to it and happy to let it happen and even help spread them further. my family took me to a megachurch for easter today. what a vile place: an institution that sucks up capital just so it can peddle false hope to an ever growing pool of victims, promising desperate people future prosperity as long as they give up what little they have now. or i try to talk to my family members about the countless lives that have been destroyed by the automobile, and the incredible inefficiency of this mode of transport, the terrible financial burden it puts on the least fortunate of us, and the billions of animals brutally slaughtered by these wasteful scourges every single year, but they just don't give a shit. my sister says to me "but it's so convenient!" nobody cares that huge swathes of our species are shackled to a life of producing frivolous bullshit for white people on the other side of the world just to survive, or that we are sending the planet we live on into a doom spiral of climate collapse despite having known about and had the opportunity to pull ourselves out of it for decades, or that we facilitate the births of billions of sentient beings, give them lives of agony completely divorced from the circumstances they are adapted to live in, and painfully kill and eat them in quantities so gluttonous that they destroy our own health, or that so many of those animals have suffered and died simply because people cared too little to minimize their waste and so sent their remains to a landfill instead. we live in a world where our very ability to organize ourselves to perform labor is irrevocably tied to the most perverse incentive structure you could possibly come up with, and people think you're crazy for believing we can do any better or that it's anything less than completely fair. nobody cares.
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>>43167754While I agree quite extensively, the level of systemic change any of these things would require before we ever saw real improvements makes it somewhat untenable and 2 of the other 'bad end' outcomes to becoming that much of a cynic/skeptic is to either fixate too much on those endpoint large scale problems so hard that you cant actually come up with a plan of action to fixing them, or you look at the extent of how bad things are and decide that nothing can be done at all. In much the same way making something typically requires a strong foundation, in a lot of ways quite literally, I felt the best way to actually see any of those things getting fixed would require a lot of people to actually care. Apathy is almost always the #1 culprit behind these sorts of issues. That's why I started devoting my time to psychology and also had a bit of interest in teaching. A mentally stable population who've felt genuine kindness, have developed proper reasoning skills, and been convinced on the potential merits of altruism, would be the best setup for seeing those kinds of things fixed. At bare minimum we would likely fix most of the local issues like the homeless population.
