I've been on hrt for 3 years, I've had several rounds of FFS, I am at a normal weight (BMI 20), I have a skin care routine etc etc, and I have literally never malefailed.People still call me sir by default without hesitation.Most days I feel fine because I just avoid thinking about it or looking at my reflection, but sometimes I remember that I'm just a zombie, that true happiness is impossible to reach.Is there a long term cope for this? Not sure I can make it to 30.
>>43172205voice train faggot
>>43172205Voice and body language.
>>43172205Do you put on make up? Dress like a woman? Did you voice train? In my experience, whenever people have this issue it’s a combination of these things that they refuse to do.
>>43172205>rounds of ffs>pluralThe fuck??
>>43172205Voice, post face.
>>43172205I like how people are giving you more copes as if women have to do a bunch of shit to not get gendered male.
>>43172205Damn that's crazy. I don't get how that happens. Were you a gigachad pre transition?
>>43172249news flash WE ARE DIFFERENT so we have to compensate for male puberty, especially in regards to voice
>>43172214>>43172223People sir me before I even open my mouth.I'm kinda tall but not utterly gigantic btw (5'10) and my body is decent (except the fact I have big hands and no breast growth I guess).>>43172231I don't but imagine putting on makeup and wearing women's clothes while everyone sees you as a man lol.I'd feel like a drag Queen.>>43172234Yep.
>>43172235I don't want to face dox myself, but yeah I do look fully like a man, although people occasionally think I look younger.I never get carded or anything through.>>43172249I wish there was something I could do that would let me pass as a girl through.But yeah.>>43172255I did have an unfortunately masculine face yeah. >>43172267That's true but I get sir'd without saying anything.
>>43172284Look let’s be real. You’re man height and you got a manly ass lookin body: big hands, wide shoulders, no ass or tits. And you definitely walk and just have the general mannerisms, vibe, and aura of a man. It’s not surprising you’ve never male failed - what is surprising is you believed you could pass for a woman. Somebody has lied to you somewhere along the way to delude you and you fell for it because you have issues. Hope this helps.
>>43172314My shoulders, hips etc are in the female range.I agree that height probably doesn't help but I routinely see women taller than me.I think the issue has to be skull size or something. Also maybe general facial features that FFS can't fix.As for the vibes, I guess? Hard to identify from one's own pov.I don't think I assumed I could malefail, no, but people always act like everyone will eventually malefail if they're on hrt for several years, had ffs, and aren't old or fat. Or bald.
>>43172314so this is coming from someone who used to have a conventionally attractive face as a guy, and is not particularly attractive (yet, I hope)I was just in the grocery store today and I had two interactions that more or less assured me I was passing to these folks: a firefighter stopped to help me pick up my sunglasses when I dropped them, and an older guy let me cut him in line even though he was clearly there firstI was dolled up for Easter Sunday at church and wearing a pretty dress, so it makes sense even if I don't pass particularly well faciallythis happens a lot: good clothes, makeup, and as people here are saying, body language, mannerisms, and most importantly, the way you carry yourself (men and women just walk differently, it's not all about the hip swaying)young women learn their mannerisms partly from their own bodies, by moving how their body mechanics tell them to, and partly by observing women they admire; you should do the samechoose a woman, IRL or online, who you admire and whose energy you'd like to take notes from. pay attention to how she walks and incorporate something from it into your own gaitalso it sounds like you need to relax, as much as I hate saying that and you probably hate hearing it. the times I overthink and "push" too hard I end up getting clocked because I seem tense, and that reads masc
>>43172346lol sorry >>43172353 was for you not that other asshat
>>43172353Thank you for the advice.They're good, I'm sure, but I will admit I feel a bit blocked, I'm afraid of being ridiculous looking or faggoty.The kind of woman I'd want to be is more of the androgynous ones who don't act very feminine but let's be honest if one doesn't act feminine as a male and isn't super lucky genetically they'll register as male. Unfortunately.
>>43172205u gotta send a pic for me to actually know if its over or not. otherwise larp
I think the worst about it all is the surprise and horror in the eyes of people when I tell them I've had several rounds of FFS.
>>43174132I don't want to become a lolcow on kiwi farms.
>>43174271so many trans women post pics here and are perfectly fine. i suspect you are larping
>>43174291They are fine because they look normal enough.I legitimately look disgusting.Do you want me to send you evidence I had surgery?
>>43174348if ur so scared why not send a temp image from catbox or smth?
you need several rounds of intense psychedelic therapy with a qualified ayahuasca shaman. bufo (5 meo DMT) can be a good option too. If you have ffs money you can probably afford a few weeks in Tulum or Chiang Mai to get your sense of self and maleness dissolved.
>>43172234i know someone who did 3 cuz they got botched the first time she the first unbotching wasn't that successful. sometimes people also split it into multiple surgeries for different reasons>>43172284you don't have to go full hon but you generally have to andromode to get gendered female, remember ftms often pass without t just by dressing kinda male. and even passoids are generally more andro then untransitioned pooners.idk your situation bc i haven't seen you, there are trannies that genuinely can't pass due to body but it's statistically more common for boymoders to go out of their way to get gendered male and then cry about it hence you don't get much benefit of the doubt online. talking about people post ffs
>>43174426nta but sometimes its not the face. like the face is honestly a joke for some trannies. ffs doesnt change the 4-5 very dimoprhic proportions or body part sizes that ding male before a cooked face.
>>43174369Frankly I don't want to be humiliated and mocked just so that you will believe me when I say I'm a hon.I have never malefailed and my face is deformed and disfigured.>>43174426Why would I want to get my sense of self and maleness dissolved? To be a hon?Also the risk is becoming schizophrenic.>>43174439My face is genuinely very male still sadly.Surgeons did all they could but it's just still totally male.Unfortunately.>>43174529It's the face in my case. Or at least the face is one of the issues.Like even ai still genders me male lol.
>>43174624sure you didn't just get botched? what's male about it
>>43174644I wasn't botched no.The issues:>Jaw is still too large despite the jaw surgery (there is only so much they can remove)>Chin is too not great (I guess the surgeon could have done a better genio, but it was already a lot that was removed).>Upper face still looks male despite a very radical fronto (maybe I don't pluck the eyebrows enough)>Still need genio>The skin of my face sucks and is very ugly and uneven with creases etc that can't really be fixed>Mouth area is weird>Face is too long>Hair looks weird >Skull is big
>>43172205Jesus... i never got misgendered since I fixed my voice. I'm going on two years of passing. It's all in the voice. You can look like a straight up dude and pass with a decent voice. The voice let's them know what they're talking to more than anything.
>>43174747I don't know you, and I don't know if there are any barriers or limitations to these suggestions, but a lot of the problems you describe that aren't about facial structure could be addressed:>Jaw is still too largetry to rock it; if you're not overweight, a larger jaw plus plump cheeks gives you the "hollow" look that's super in rn (it's why celebs are getting buccal fat removal, but we can get the look without that)>upper faceyou're absolutely right that you should do your brows, but don't do it yourself; get it done professionally for about $20 every 6 weeks (4 weeks is too frequent and can harm brows over time)whenever I get my brows done I'm stunned by how much better I look>The skin of my face sucks and is very uglytry Olay Retinol 24 Night Moisturizer. retinol is the only "real" anti-aging skincare ingredient in the world; over time it dramatically improves skin texture, reduces fine lines, and events color (reduces redness where it is, for ex)I've used this stuff for like 2 years and it's fucking magic; at my best my skin looks like I'm in my late teens (I'm 31)if you respond well to retinol, you can go to a dermatologist and ask for a tretinoin prescription; it's an even more powerful version, you just need to be really careful when you incorporate it>Hair looks weirdpossibly not washed enough or not correctly, but I don't know what problem you're seeing since I don't have a photoI know that when I wasn't scrubbing my scalp enough when I shampooed, my hair "clung" to my scalp with oils and looked really good and shiny, but almost like I was wearing a helmet; it looks much better nowas hard as it is, try to open yourself to the idea you can just rock the rest with confidencethis is super important: most people don't consider themselves entitled to make judgments about others' appearances, and for many people, that includes judging someone a man if they're otherwise dressed and acting like a woman
>>43174747>gendered female, remember ftms often pass without t just by dressing kinda male. and even passoids are generally more andro then untransitioned pooners.>idk your situation bc i haven't seen you, there are trannies that genuinely can't pass due to body but it's statistically more common for boymoders to go out of their way to get
>>43174897i hate you freaks so much. voice doesnt matter when you look like a 1st draft nfl pick.
>>43174897It's hard to find the motivation to voice train when you look so male and get wantonly sir'd but yeah I should.>>43174950Thank you for the in depth answer.A lot of your advices are true, I'm just too depressed to do many of them unfortunately.Although I do have a good skincare that includes retinoids, but the issue is that atrophic scars can't really be fixed.Idk I think I'll get one more round of ffs (coming soon) and then I might try to present more feminine. Maybe.
>>43174995>hate you freaks>bitter and hateful>not passingdoes it not occur to you this attitude probably leaks into your everyday life, and that women don't act or think this way?
>>43175016I don't want to sound dismissive because atrophic scars are horrible (I have some very minor ones myself), but atrophic scars do have treatmentsmicroneedling and chemical peels are two minimally-invasive methods of treating them that really work, look up progress timelines on r/skincare or other communities and you'll seethere are also more surgically invasive procedures that can work quite wellif you're already willing to get surgery, why not devote that time and financial resource to trying to improve the scars first? or even just concurrentlyI understand being too depressed to try; are you on injections? I found that sublingual pills were just not working for me, and already feel so much better on injectionsI know treating depression isn't a thing you do overnight, speaking as someone who's been actively suicidal many times in the last two years, but it can be done and it's a virtuous cycle of improvement; you'll want to care for yourself in new ways with each little bit of improvementit's worth it, and after three rounds of FFS I bet you're a lot closer to passing than you think
>>43175026your idea that women cant hold hate or bitterness is proof youre not a woman, but a misogynistic man who just excels at crossdressing.im not going to elaborate more on this, just know you got clocked hard here.
This is why I only give estrogen to 14 and under. I just immediately stop the conversation with anyone over 14. The only true transsexuals are gigayoungshits anyway I mean what you waited until 16 before acting on your dysphoria? Doubt it. My advice to OP: shave your head and join the war effort. Me and my cis gf will be hanging at the lesbian bar laughing at tik toks of retarded moids getting blown in half with drones. You're not a transsexual you didn't and can't change your sex only us gigayoungshit gigapassoids can do that, youre a confused man, just give it up. God I wish someone would make a place for actual transsexuals so I don't have to be bombarded with all these fake trans moid wannabes all day long
>>43175230i think i have the inkling of an urge to wear a bomb vest to a lesbian bar now.
>>43175198misandry isn't misogyny and never will be
>>43175198I was referring to calling trans women freaks; women can be hateful but the level of hate and vitriol you have here? that's not womanlyalso you are severely overestimating your opinion's significance to me and honestly it's kind of cute
>>43175294>>43175264good for you.
>>43175311thank you, I knew you had some kindness in you <3
>>43172205Maybe you're too thin. A lot of people have luck going for that fertility goddess fat build, putting on weight while on estrogen makes it hyper fem especially if you combine it with pio and gainer (giant butt and flabby thighs and legs)
>>43175230>Im an autogynephile >Im a true transsexualI guess girl
>>43174897normally people gender you before they hear your voice
>>43176147Does this actually work or is it a myth?
>>43176943Oh it absolutely works, you just need to decide if you actually want it or not. You need to get pretty heavy at that height to pull off the 'fat mommy' look, but it completely buries the skeleton and makes you look matronly and female
>>43177007My hips are actually pretty ok already and my pelvis is fairly wide but I won't lie, the aesthetic and idea has a certain appeal.Funnily enough I'm a guest in a family right now and the mother is literally constantly trying to force me to eat super fatty food (southern Europe) lol
>>43176147Hawt goals, good luck>pic related is basically my body type now except I'm pale as a ghost >5 years E, 3 on pio
>>43177114>Funnily enough I'm a guest in a family right now and the mother is literally constantly trying to force me to eat super fatty food (southern Europe) lolDamn there are TGirls who would fantasize about an opportunity like that(me probably included kek), indulge yourself then see how you feel. Fat can be really fucking affirming I find it almost addicting at this point. Just be sure to use pio, it combined with estrogen gives you that Wilendorf body type >not the first anon the second one with the priyanka bodytype
>>43177114>Funnily enough I'm a guest in a family right now and the mother is literally constantly trying to force me to eat super fatty food (southern Europe) lolHoly shit do not let this opportunity pass you eat up honey>>43177007>>43177131Been trying to go full Venus of Wilendorf, but I'm not quite there yet (this picture is literally me except the hair)
>>43177159I'm used to eating very little (generally I go OMAD) so it's been quite the change from my usual diet, their hospitality is insane and they're relentless lol.I like being thin, I actually like starving myself and feeling so light headed, like you're about to die, you know?And then you pass your hand against your belly and it's completely flat and you feel so good about yourself.But at the same time it just makes me look like a Twink.Maybe I should just try the opposite and see if it can be satisfying too.
>>43177223>I like being thin, I actually like starving myself and feeling so light headed, like you're about to die, you know?I don't like to impress my kinks on other nonas too often, but wow I used to be like that too. Actually a lot of girls (both trans and I know one cis one too) who used to be into like, tightly controlled eating(some anorexics and some just strict calorie counters) also got into the reverse really hardcore. Not sure if it's because letting go and eating whatever becomes kind of hot or if it's taking control in an opposite direction(I'm more of the latter, but I know a cis girl who's the former). My GF I met shortly after I started estrogen is a bit of a chubby chaser and she got me started and holy shit it's addicting, seeing my fertile belly, my feminine hips, my mom butt that's been finally coming in....fuck it drives me and her wild. Maybe give it a shot nona, it worked for me
>>43177211With my friends we're joking that if I lived there full time I'd end up on these tv shows with morbidly obese people, I had always mocked him a little for being somewhat overweight but now I get why.We'll be watching TV and the mother will come out of nowhere with a plate of fries, she's crazy. And since I'm the guest I can't refuse like he does.I'm at going back home at the end of the month through, thank God.Weirdly enough after literally 2 years of my nipples being totally inert they started hurting again. Idk if it's from upping my dose or eating more (after all I already eat quite a lot when I'm at my grandparents and my nipples don't hurt so idk).Maybe I should keep a heavier diet once I'm back home although I'm lazy and don't want to spend all day cooking (and I don't want to spend all my money on takeout either) so idk what my options would be.>>43177273Damn I might consider it, I was already planning to go on pio to see what it does.It's so weird I've always preferred the more thin androgynous style but idk what's gotten into me in the last few months, I've been thinking of the opposite occasionally.
>>43177223Estrogen + weight gain + pio + encouraging gf with lots of praise and headpats for eating well completely changed my life. went from borderline anorexic to well into the 200s.If you wanna do this I'll support you. You've got a great opportunity to get started here with low effort, just tell your host mom you were feeling sick earlier and are sorry you weren't eating as much and you'd like to enjoy as much of her cooking as possible. The European Nana will take care of the rest trust me
>>43177331>We'll be watching TV and the mother will come out of nowhere with a plate of fries, she's crazy. And since I'm the guest I can't refuse like he does.This is literally a trope in erotic weight gain fiction(not sure if you've read any, there's actually a shortlist of ones that are really good for 'checking' if you've potentially got a fatty kink or not), take advantage of it. >>43177372>just tell your host mom you were feeling sick earlier and are sorry you weren't eating as much and you'd like to enjoy as much of her cooking as possible. The European Nana will take care of the rest trust methis
how do you people even realize you wanna get fatnot even shaming just curious
>>43177372I think I'll try to not overdo it because I have a surgery next month (another round of ffs yay) and I don't want to be overweight for it. I'm already scared enough by surgeries normally.But I'll keep it in mind for sure, is there a method to gain weight and consume many calories that doesn't require spending all day cooking?Like idk some food type.>>43177389I can imagine. What are those stories? I've never been into it but I guess it doesn't hurt trying, since apparently my feminine ideal appears to be changing as well with time.
>>43177511You can't go from thin tp overweight in a month without some pretty extreme measures. A couple weeks of being spoiled is like 5-10 pounds. Don't worry yourself. And yeah there are, there's an anon here with shake recipes loaded with calories. I actually find baking and cooking really affirming tho...
>>43177546I love cooking too but I'm pretty lazy and usually busy lying on my bed rotting and doing nothing until I get very hungry once a day and have to leave my room to actually cook something.I guess if it doesn't make me overweight and isn't a risk factor for the surgery it's fine, I might let her spoil me a little.
>>43177511>I can imagine. What are those stories? I've never been into it but I guess it doesn't hurt trying, since apparently my feminine ideal appears to be changing as well with time.There's a couple that have been circulated, both stories and comics. The cis girl I know awoke from this one: https://www.deviantart.com/marlow0/art/Groundhog-Day-903432099The list that was circulating a couple years ago suggested this :https://www.deviantart.com/westmetal/art/Batgirls-Fatgirls-pt-1-878368949In terms of comics this one is the one I see mentioned most often: https://www.deviantart.com/better-with-salt/gallery/79346217/losing-controlAnd there's a couple others , but none of them were what did it for me. Honest to god, as a TGirl, this Ranma story is what woke me up to my desires. https://www.deviantart.com/post-bop/gallery/all?order=oldestThe whole thing is great and the Ranma themes really make it more relatable to me, but specifically it was Chapter 8 with Ukyo that broke me out of denial. If you only pick one to test the waters and see if you're into this I suggest that
>>43177637Oh hey I thought I recognized you. I read that two days ago when you suggested it, it was cute. I stumbled upon the comic Revenge during the pandemic, but that's probably not the best starter comic as the first 30 pages were a bit rough and rushed and it only really got good 50 pages in
>>43176147>fertility goddessThis is it. I couldn’t put it into words but you did, I want the body of a fertility goddess. I actually have a thread up about this exact thing rn lol
>>43178494Link>>43177637not a bad selection for first timers, I'd probably swap out the Batgirl one for something else tho
>>43178517Here >>43176989
it's probably your feet clocking you. if you post pictures of them i might be able to help...
>>43172284maybe your surgeon was bad? i also had like 3 rounds of ffs and i look like a weird gender thing
>>43177114>>43177223>>43177331>>43177511>>43177581How did things turn out Nona, if you’re fine to share
>>43180467Well it's night right now so nothing lolAnd we're going on a field trip today, which is good because I just slept and yet I still feel stuffed from yesterday.But I do think I want to try to gain weight, it's not like I have anything to lose from it, I just look like a twink rn and it's not really what I want from life.So I will definitely try to loosen up and eat more here.
>>43181054Did you check out any of the writing suggested? I’ve read two of those
>>43181086Yes I did, I quite liked them but I think I'd prefer something that stops before actual obesity, I feel like the sweet spot might be a bit lower than that.
>>43181437Any specific preference for any of the 4? You read all of them? To completion?Don’t mean to pry just might help in the future
