I have watched genuine sociopaths and pedophiles, some of whom were completely unfuckable, not only get a significant amount of support and comfort from people who barely even knew them, but get relationships with people who seem to actually care about them in spite of their horrific nature, explicitly BECAUSE they were trans women. in fact, I was so naive and fixated on the idea of being a 'good person' that I kept someone like this from killing themselves. I have 0 internal desire to transition - in fact I detest the idea because it feels morally bankrupt, and the idea of only being "valued" for superficial reasons disgusts me - but genuinely what is the argument against doing it not just so people treat you with some actual empathy, not just so you can get a real relationship, but also so that anything you do, no matter how monstrous and repugnant, will get handwaved away because you're "on the same team" and "you gotta stick together"?
>>43181585>I detest the idea because it feels morally bankrupttake your HRT, retard
>>43181585idk bro i dont interact with other trans people
>>43181585Gender dysphoria is the answer to most of your questions.
>>43181585Those people were actually extremely manipulative abusers and most of us lack this power entirely and will easily get rapejacketed and DARVO'd and thrown out like nothing. If you do it, you will be one of the latter, because you do not have those skills. Trans women are women, with all this entails, and some women are evil psychotic manipulators. Some of us are like this, too.Oh and also you'll hate your body and life if you transition for purely tactical reasons
>>43181594Literally the only theoretical appeal of transition to me is that people would treat me better, and the idea that people would do so because I took some pills or whatever other method and magically that means im a completely different person deserving of happiness is utterly repulsive to me. >>43181628How in the world does gender dysphoria explain people being morally bankrupt and other people being entirely willing to not only look past it but reward it? >>43181631They certainly were but they were shockingly obvious about it. The one in question would publicly talk about trying to hook up with a 14 year old. It isn't "skills", because that implies some level of practice behind it. They were basically retarded and made no effort at all to hide what kind of person they were, but people just ignored it anyway - until it directly affected them. It is purely a 'clique' mentality that for some reason extends to anyone who is 'trans' in any capacity and it baffles me.
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>>43181709If people with a shred of moral integrity existed in any widespread form I wouldn't even be in a position where I would see this shit and feel the need to make a thread about it.
>>43181734you are schizophrenic
>>43181696>How in the world does gender dysphoria explain people being morally bankruptPicrel. ANY dysphoria makes miserable, angry, anti-social people. >other people being entirely willing to not only look past it but reward itBecause people who have experience gender dysphoria know how it influences behavior. That's why the people ITT are trying to get you to take your obvious dysporia (which may or may not be gender related tho you're ticking a lot of boxes) to take it seriously. People who are experiencing serious dysphoria are a danger to themselves and others. >but genuinely what is the argument against doing it not just so people treat you with some actual empathyThis is ticking a very serious box, you believe your life would be better if you were a girl. That is diagnostically relevant to the question of what is causing your dysphoria. But assuming it's not gender dysphoria, but some other type of dysphoria, the reason you wouldn't want to transition if you don't have gender dysphoria is you get gender dysphoria. What makes gender dysphoria particularly pernicious compared to other dysphorias (rejection sensitivity dysphoria, or pre-menstrual dysphoria) is that it's constant. It doesn't come and go so it doesn't stop until you start your transition and you realize just how much pain you were in beforehand. And I just want to point out that three different questions and the answer to all three can be summarized as "gender dysphoria".
>>43181794>People who are experiencing serious dysphoria are a danger to themselves and others.true you go john 50 or you go full uncle tedhttps://www.avitale.com/essays-details/?name=the-gender-variant-phenomenon--a-developmental-review-5
>>43181696> How in the world does gender dysphoria explain people being morally bankrupt and other people being entirely willing to not only look past it but reward it?I think it’s partially because lots of trans people, especially late transitioners struggle with awful psychological/emotional fracturing because of dysphoria, abuse, childhood trauma, etc. So lots of people will give them the benefit of the doubt. However, Tenderqueers and naive people will give them infinite passes, and yes you’re absolutely right, they will enable them. However, i think since the 2020 gender questioning boom has started to finally down lots of communities and young people are a little more wary but it’s a slow process and unfortunately the youngest and dumbest will always be the most preyed upon regardless.I remember transitioning and some younger people started coming up to me as if I was a safe person. I remember being horrified by this and really uncomfortable because I worried they would feel that same trust in other random strangers just because of their transness or queerness. Also I felt uncomfortable because I didn’t want to be friends with people 10 years younger than me. Sure we had the same interests but it was weird and they were better off hanging out with people their age. Lots of trans people are STUNTED as fuck and I count myself among them, some of my emotional maturity and interests are too young for my age but I just keep that to myself and my age group. It’s scary how common the opposite sentiment is in the young queer community.
>>43181794The blanket definition of 'dysphoria' there would indeed describe me, but the only link to gender is the social observations I've made. People try to "pinkpill" others over absolutely nothing at all, and I've also met a few people who actually dipped their toes in and found it horribly uncomfortable and unfulfilling for many of the exact reasons I've described. Anyways, the point still remains - the benefit of the doubt is being given to these people because of the SPECIFIC kind of dysphoria they are experience and the fact they are taking specific steps to address it. A cis person with rejection sensitivity dysphoria would basically never hope to find any kind of 'community' like that, let alone one that would excuse them acting like a monster just because of the way in which they're sad and dejected.>>43181839I just can't find any logic in the way those types of people choose who to latch onto for comfort and advice. You can have a bunch of people in a group and somehow the most malignant person in the group will in many instances get the most people going to them for advice, or thirsting after them, or coddling them, etc. It's far too consistent for me to buy that it's accidental, but the comedically obvious way in which these bad actors showcase their awfulness also makes it impossible for me to buy that it's just people getting duped.
>>43181904That's because people with RSD only experience dysphoria for a few days or weeks. People with GD experience it for years or decades. And it's progressive, it gets worse as time goes on. I did a lot of awful shit pre-transition, but now I'm kind to a fault. Because I'm not in pain any more so I'm not looking to express that pain. Except for the few days a month where I get PMD in which case y'all need to leave me the fuck alone if you know what's good for you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbI0GYFkVTU
>>43181585OP I think that you should kill yourself.
>>43182127Thanks for the bump, here's your (you)
>>43181585I have decided that the mtf community is willing to engage in toxic acceptance as an unconsciously self destructive behavior due to their own need for acceptance in the face of relentless external attack, and further that abusers and pedophiles know this and use it surround themselves with unknowing accomplices that also serve as a pool of victims.
