Leaving your gf is kinda bad maybe you should've assessed your family before properly introducing her to avoid this drama

>>43183349
You date a femrepper who larps as a futa a puts a strap up your ass from time to time

>>43183384
I dont want to get fucked in the ass tho. She's a neet girl I met from here and I felt bad for her because she's lonely and I wanted to make sure she feels loved.

>>43183376
This WAS me trying to introduce her properly. I thought my parents would be cooler about it and that my girlfriend deserved more than me trying to “warn” them about her before.

>>43183384
I do not bottom.

>>43183394
Why in the world are you pretending to be me?

>>43183349
>I love my girlfriend but I love my family more.
not ready for true love

>>43183417
muzz n duzz over huzz

All homophobia and transphobia originates with afabs. All of it.
The default for afabs is being evil. You just found that out. Your mom is not special. She's the usual foid with evil being the default.
You should dump her and enjoy the love with your gf.
You should listen to your father. He is correct at least in part.

>>43183349
it's pathetic if you drop your gf over this. she deserves better than you. also, your family will always see you as gay now, there's no going back to what it was before

>>43183349
Maybe one mother in ten is a decent person. Otherwise they're shit people and you don't owe yours anything.

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>>43185985
>Maybe one mother in ten is a decent person. Otherwise they're shit people and you don't owe yours anything.
Nta but why do trans people always assume that because you don't understand gender the same way as them that you're a shit person? It's silly people can be condemned as a shit person just for being wrong about something as esoteric as gender identity and sexuality.

It's like them getting pissed off and holding you in contempt for seeing a rabbit instead of a duck.

>>43186118
I'm a cis bisexual simply calling it as I sees it.

>>43186118
Duck

>>43183349
You have a transgf so it's not likely to last anyway

now get back to sucking her penis or you will lose your tranny to another bichud

I don't get why women spend their whole lives screaming about how terrible childbirth and motherhood is and then abuse everyone who refuses to reproduce

>women in 1st world countries acting like its sengoku jidai and that you must produce heirs to inherit the rice farm in return for her struggles in raising you
if she really needed grandchildren she should've had more kids

>>43186118
because it's not difficult to just treat her as an infertile woman (which OP's dad had no problem doing) and it's extremely narcissistic to think you have a say in your child's love life by virtue of giving birth to them 20 years earlier. Ironically men are much more hardwired to care about lineage and so on and the dad in this scenario is understanding.

>>43186238
Being raised by such people really fucks you up. Doubly so mothers who are vocally pro-abortion; pretty shitty message to send to your own kids. "I wish I'd had a chance to kill this little horrors but it's too late now."
If women's crimes were easier to quantify they would dwarf those of men.

>>43183349
tell your bitch mom that you are a faggot and tell her tf she gon do about it? you dont owe her children and even if she wants grandchildren SURROGATES exist this is just a bitch bein a bitch

>>43186157
You shouldn't be allowed a platform. A duck? You're a horrible narcissist. Fuck you. Die, dumbfucker mother bitch!
>>43188307
>because it's not difficult to just treat her as an infertile woman
It's not difficult to pretend and just treat her that way, no. That's what the mom did. She waited until they left to talk to her son, because what's she gonna do? Pretend all her life? When are you fuckers gonna learn that the reason you have uncontrollable gender dysphoria is the same reason people are uncontrollably "transphobic." Their idea of what a woman is isn't going to suddenly change just because they will it to do so. They can't redefine themselves out of it any more than you can redefine yourself into being the gender you want without feeling like you didn't change anything.

>it's extremely narcissistic to think you have a say in your child's love life by virtue of giving birth to them 20 years earlier
When did she say she had a say? She's just grieving over not having grandchildren. It's still entirely her son's choice.

>Ironically men are much more hardwired to care about lineage and so on and the dad in this scenario is understanding
Hardwired? Evidently not. And isn't it kind of transphobic, not to mention misandrist, to say that? There's another irremovable brainworm you just gave the 10 people who read this thread. How come you think you should have a say in what a man is?

>>43183405
>my girlfriend deserved more than me trying to “warn” them about her before.
There's your mistake. Dropping a tranny gf on your boomer parents is fucked up to both them and her.

>>43186118
Because their identity is contingent upon everyone agreeing with their opinions. Most people can have a disagreement of opinion that doesn't make them insecure about their identity. Trannies can't.

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>>43189835
>Because their identity is contingent upon everyone agreeing with their opinions. Most people can have a disagreement of opinion that doesn't make them insecure about their identity. Trannies can't.
In this makes an involuntary way of seeing gender a testimate to that person's malicious character, how? Bro, if people could just choose what they believe, we wouldn't have people with gender dysphoria in the first place. You could just believe you're your assigned gender and the dysphoria would dissappear.

Further, even if agreeing with trans people was somehow a matter of choice, do we just silence all dissent? Re-educate the people with the wrong ideas? Vaporize them? Is that not Orwellian?

Let me put it like this. Lets pretend the flat earthers were right, and we did actually live on a constantly elevating disk, rather than a giant ball, and the reason we all believed it was a ball was because of math tricks and misrepresenting the truth. Are you going to now believe the Earth is flat in that hypothetical situation? Especially if the people explaining it to you are saying things you don't understand? No. Obviously not. It goes against everything you thought was true. You'd think they'd be trying to trick you. And this isn't a moral failing. It doesn't make you a bad person. So why should people who see gender the same as like it was when they grew up be considered awful people? You people making this argument about morality when it comes to this topic just seem so ridiculous to me. So many of you are super hateful for no good reason.

>>43190079
I dunno bro. I agree with you. Ask a tranny.

>>43189697
people arent uncontrollably transphobic just as people arent uncontrollably racist, however gender dysphoria has so far proven to persist in a stronger form after all forms of treatment except transitioning

>>43183349
keep what you have, as far as it matters your moms already far gone for now, though she will understand in time. cherish what you have instead of trying to throw everything away to overcorrect for your mom being transphobic. its not the end of the world and it wont be devastating to anyone, your mom is just being a drama queen

>>43190177
>people arent uncontrollably transphobic just as people arent uncontrollably racist,
People are uncontrollably racist. It's not a choice to be racist. It's a choice to act racist. This is what the leftists have been saying for years and is why they wanted people of marginalized races in power rather than more white people.

>gender dysphoria has so far proven to persist in a stronger form after all forms of treatment except transitioning
Yes. Because you can't just redefine what a woman is and expect that to fix the issue for you since that doesn't undo the old meaning. You have to also transition. The damage was already done when you first were taught was a "woman" is called as a child.

>>43190135
>I dunno bro. I agree with you. Ask a tranny.
I'm trying. This is the chud/tranny board.

>>43189697
>the reason you have uncontrollable gender dysphoria is the same reason people are uncontrollably "transphobic." Their idea of what a woman is isn't going to suddenly change just because they will it to do so.
The base reason I have gender dysphoria is probably improper hormone exposure in utero. What differences between op's gf and an infertile cis woman are relevant to his mom? She's having a melty over someone else's happy relationship because how it makes her feel (narcissistic).

>When did she say she had a say?
She's going no contact with her own son, based on someone she met once, and if she's anything like my mom might be trying to guilt trip him into making certain decisions which should be entirely his.

>Hardwired? Evidently not. And isn't it kind of transphobic, not to mention misandrist, to say that
Males are more likely to care about biological paternity and genetic legacy. It's a scientific fact that male alloparenting is less common than female alloparenting in mammals, for example. It's notable because the father in this case overlooked that impulse.

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>>43183349
Stop giving a damn about your mother and live your life with your girlfriend. When you commit to a relationship, you have to have a vision for the future, and even more so, want something more solid than what's happening now; after all, you're going to marry her, right? So be a man and get a job, even if it's a crappy one. Having a source of income makes you less easily manipulated.

Your mother thinking that you being with a cis woman would automatically give her 'grandchildren' is her own fault. Be a good boyfriend to your girlfriend, and don't let your mother destroy good things in your life. Having someone you love enough to introduce to your parents requires seriousness and shouldn't disappear at the first sign of trouble.

>>43191492
>The base reason I have gender dysphoria is probably improper hormone exposure in utero.
"Base" reason is a meme. Is drunk driving the base reason for car crashes, or are cars, or is being born the base cause. If we didn't have words for "men" or "women," you could be just as what we call "feminine" as you want without there being anything to be dysphoric about. Gender being innate is a meme. You don't crave dresses because you had too much estrogen in your brain as a baby. At most you crave, what due to it? Periods? Pregnancy? Vagina? Boobs? Hormones? Things actually biologically innate to afabs that you can partially emulate anyway but it's not "enough"
>having a melty over someone else's happy relationship because how it makes her feel
Alright, but that's a seperate point than the transphobia one.
>She's going no contact with her own son, based on someone she met once
It's not like she's blocking him for good.
>if she's anything like my mom might be trying to guilt trip him into making certain decisions
Possibly. But also, what's she gonna say? "Go fuck a fertile women and give me grandkids you lazy twerp!" At which point, that's a seperate concern than that she doesn't believe in trans people.
>Males are more likely to care about biological paternity and genetic legacy
This isn't an innate trait, evidently, considering the father being so naturally based.
>It's a scientific fact that male alloparenting is less common than female alloparenting in mammals, for example.
That's a stretch to go from mice to "men are hardwired to alloparent" to "men care about legacy more than women".
>It's notable because the father in this case overlooked that impulse.
He didn't have the impulse. Not all male mammals do alloparenting, especially not always since humans are not exactly living under typical environmental conditions that promote all our instincts. The mice in the mice utopia experiments had their instincts allllll fucked up due to their environment.

Fake and gaaaaaaaayyyyy

>>43183349
if you’re gonna break up with her because she’s trans at least be honest with her and don’t leave her wondering

lots of trans women want to be moms including myself. it makes me sad how people assume if you want to date a trans girl you have to not want kids

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>>43183349
this is the final and ultimate blackpill for straight trans women and i think about it literally every time i have the remotest fantasy of dating someone. no matter how devoted you are to your bf, no matter how much you give him and love him and want to be with him for the rest of your life, you will never ever be able to grant him children, one of the ultimate forms of human love. this deficiency will shape your entire relationship with him; his family will resent you for being defective, your family will never truly understand what's wrong with you, and society will constantly question why on earth your boyfriend would pick a delusional failed male over a real woman. even if you pass flawlessly and move heaven and earth to be with him, even if you manage to fool all those people, the simple biological fact is that you will never truly be the mother of your lover's children. it is a biological absolute that you will never be good enough in this regard, no matter how badly you want to and try to be. eventually his genes will come to want these children and you will fail in every way to give them to him, and you can only hope that when he eventually leaves you for a cis girl he'll let you down gently.

every day i try to come to terms with this and it slowly destroys me from the inside. i will be single forever but i want to be loved and love someone else so badly and the soulcrushing loneliness is something that only death and rebirth into whatever awaits after will cure

>>43183349
>her
Your boytoy faggot will always be male.
Yiu are an actual faggit for dating him.
Stop continuing this faggot lie that pushes biological White erasure.

>>43183349
just ignore her until she gets over it, she most likely will before too long

I've had a mildly similar, recent issue. When I was dating my ex-boyfriend, before I came out to my parents, they both refused to acknowledge he was anything more than a relationship and laugh when I brought it up saying, "You're not gay!" (which I'm not, I'm bisexual, but that doesn't exist either to them). Some time after we broke up, and when I did come out to them, they made a huge deal about it. They assumed I didn't know any better and made a bunch other assumptions and defaulted to immediately thinking I was going to metamorphis into some creature that would kill itself. While they were all for the idea of me adopting a kid in the future, only suddenly did they care about that being the only option for me as a possibility. My dad threatened to kick me out of the house if I got remotely confrontational and my mom pleaded with me to change my mind - for my dad's sake - since he saw himself in me and effectively told me I was betraying his vision of himself in me. I've since then shelved the option of being open and honest with them going forward, even though I love them very much and know they do care, albeit in a very narrow-minded and selfish manner.

This is what people mean when they say your folks are evil, Anon. It's evil to force your child into effectively either being their pet how they want you to be or being cut off because you have someone you care about. A parent, ideally, supports their child and loves them and catches them when they fall. It's of the same mind as girls who make the mistake of getting pregnant when they're young - they get kicked out rather than given support when they need it. It's ultimately exceedingly selfish of the parents. You don't have to hate them, but it is arguably an awful, borderline hateful thing to kick your own child out of the house and force them to stay somewhere because the person they care about doesn't fit into your personal preferences. The fact they effectively force you to choose a side.

>>43194110
This Anon's advice? If you abandon your girlfriend because of your parent's feelings, then that is also very selfish of you and cruel to her - she doesn't get a choice in either the matter nor how people feel about and treat her. If it were from you personally having lessened feelings for her for a different reason, that would be fair, but staying with her doesn't necessitate going against your family either. They will have to learn and accept that their child is an individual, not a clone of themselves. I'd advise avoiding the subject with them, and either pursuing the relationship seriously without informing them, or you should communicate with your girlfriend your conflicting and choose to maintain your relationship at its current state until your family gets their shit together enough for you to comfortably decide if you're ready for such a level of commitment in a relationship that comes with such potential consequences. But how ypur parents feel? Not your fault, not your responsibility. They need to grow up or risk driving a wedge between you and they. If you choose to throw away whatever conflicts with their wants, you might as well never move out and only ever ask them permission for what to do with your own life until they pass away. Love them wholly but give yourself the respect of not allowing anyone - even the people you love and care about - to control who you are, your decisions, or qho makes you happy.

>>43194001
congrats this is going in my blackpill folder

>>43194001
what if i’m a guy who doesn’t want kids. i hate children

>>43194165
someday youll turn 30 ig

>>43194171
i was born in 1995

>>43194001
>you will never ever be able to grant him children
Not necessarily, but most likely in our lifetime. There are less than ideal alternatives, such as adoption or surrogate parentage. If it's anything to you, as someone who wanted to be a father and give someone a child for us to love together, surrendering that was also very crushing. Especially electing to effectively throw away any chance of being able to procreate in such a way and selfishly choose my life over the life of a child I could bring into existence and share with a lover. To never have the option, and to have it and discard it. A part of me hates myself for it, but I will still give that love to any kid I will be one day hopefully lucky enough to take care of. For what else it's worth, cis women who are infertile probably feel a similar pain and sadness in terms of longing and defective nature. The fact of the matter is you aren't defective: you are different.

Unfortunately, the differences we've chosen and have been given are painful and saddening, but it also means that love and hope must be manifested in ways that are within our control, in the same way you did by changing the life you were given in the first place. People may look at us as failed males as much as anyone might look at those injured or born with disability, those who die early or never had the chance beyond circumstance, to do what others have. The opinions and feelings of others only truly matter as much as we allow them. There will always be detractors, and it's unfortunate. But I hope you find a way to share and thrive in that love, Anon. I feel for you and would hope you find that happiness manifest in some way. As I hope for myself.

>>43194165
Then congrats, you're also like a majority of transgender people who don't care about it much. Children aren't for everyone and not everyone is fit or needs to be a parent.

>>43191966
This. Not even all cis women want children, or can have children, or would make good mothers. And imagine if OP told his mom he was going to knock up a hoover, what would she think I wonder? Doubtful of, "At least the bloodline continues!". Almost always people wanting grandkids stems from traditional thinking being passed on anyways, not necessarily strictly only blood, yet never realize it.

>>43194198
>And imagine if OP told his mom he was going to knock up a hoover, what would she think I wonder? Doubtful of, "At least the bloodline continues!"
hate to break it to you but ive seen pretty much this exact thing happen a few times. after i trooned and it became clear i wasn't going to have kids my familly basically replaced me with my ex-tweaker cousin and her illegitimate children. like they go to lunch, babysit, pay their rent (she's 32) etc. all because she has kids and is blood-related to my dad.

if you break up with a girlfriend you love to appease your bigoted mother who's primarily thinking about herself when it comes to your relationship, you're a fucking loser and she deserves better
either man up and love your girlfriend like she deserves or get the hell out of the way for someone who will

>>43194223
Good gracious. That's fucking nuts. My condolences but at the same time I can't imagine how conflictingly relieving it must be to see their true colors. I would be shocked if my parents replaced me but also a bit vindicated, mostly because of the sheer effort it would take for them to crawl out of their cave to do so if such a thing were more important to them than what I thought was their kid's life and happiness.

>>43194280
not relieving at all tbqh its my greatest blackpill and ive mostly accepted that dating for me is doomed to fail for the next 10 years at which point ill be 35, post everything, and ill start looking for a single father who had an abusive cisf ex.

do you even want kids? do you live with them because you're a teenager?
never been more likely to be in a multigen home but still. and if you let your mother decide how your life is going to go, just accept it now and start asking her how to dress. your life isn't falling apart, you're only just now realizing how shallow your foundations are. There's still probably lots of room to build, but this isn't a "choose and make up" thing op, this does not disappear and will not be forgotten.

>>43183349
Your mom sounds like a bitch you should have asserted your dominance early on so she couldnt think you were faggy. Only option now is to double down and host a queer orgy on her yard

>>43194301
Damn. Sorry, Anon. I'll be 34 in a few months, so I'm glad you at least started earlier than me and will have more to show for it. For people ready to throw you out of their life over taking care of yourself, I say good good riddance to them. Maybe you can adopt or have a surrogate or technology might magically be lucky for us someday, who knows. Maybe ironically you'll meet a FtM Trans guy and somwhow things work out. Life is full of mysteries. But as your elder I can promise you a whole lot changes and can happen within 10 years. I'll be hoping for you for it.

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>>43194337
yeah it sucks but its not new really (trooned 3 years ago). id consider adopting but its important to me that my future husband has kids that are biologically his and where the bio mother is for whatever reason permanently out of the picture and early in the development of the kids. in this way i think i can step in and get like 50+% share of motherhood without the stretch marks and risk of death.

>>43194345
wtf why is his browbone wave-shaped?

>>43194001

Millions of happy childless married cis women don't agree. Childless couples are everywhere around, idk why anyone might want a child nowadays.

t. gay over 30 in his gay marriage

>>43183349
It’s going to boil down to everything revolving around you or a greater goal outside yourself. Choose one. When you age and your dick breaks you’ll wish you had a family.

>>43194635
>women’s happiness rates lower than any time in recorded history
lol
>infinijeets coming to poo in your food with the excuse that it’s because you don’t have kids
Enjoy muzzies executing you because they reproduce

>>43183349
beat the shit out of your mom for calling you a faggot anon

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Im a cis guy who had a mtf gf and my mom also wasn't too happy about it.
As soon as I told her if she didn't accept it, thats fine, but I'll have her rot alone in a nursing home to die alone if she doesn't accept it, she shut the fuck up about it quickly and got over it
Man up OP

>>43183349
I don't have this problem because my gf passes

>>43194198
Exactly, OP's mother seems increasingly narcissistic, but I doubt she wouldn't be manipulative with OP's cisgender girlfriend if she had a condition preventing pregnancy, telling him to get someone who isn't "dry" or unable to reproduce. But these people honestly prefer a dysfunctional family to a functional one. For example, even if OP and his girlfriend adopted, I doubt she would connect with the child, who isn't "blood-related"; the fact that she would probably be more lenient with a cocaine user is likely.

I don't know, Anon/nnete, there are still people who only care about blood ties, and who will only be a mother/father/grandmother/grandfather based on that, ignoring other family structures. She seems toxic, and OP should be careful not to fall for his mother's tricks.

>muh kids and legacy
Boomers need to be put down

>>43183394
>She's a neet girl I met from here
Is she hot?

>>43198733
they need workers