This is something I've noticed through time after seeing many post of trans women talking about how straight men who don't wanna date them are "insecure"On the gay men's side there are articles encouraging straight men to have sex with gay men to "experiment"And finally there are many post of both gay men and trans women talking proudly about how they got fucked by a straight man or got to suck his dick, there's also lots of porn videos in the gay and trans category with "straight guy" on the title, it seems like, for some of them, getting fucked by a straight guy is like a badge of honor or a self-esteem boost
because men who are coded as openly gay tend to be weird lookingmen who are coded as straight tend to be more conventionally attractivegay is an intersex condition and makes you look weird the vast majority of hot guys would never openly date a man because doing so is social suicide and gets you shunned by foidkind
straight guys are hotter + its validating if you made one of them make an exception for you
>>43188747Its really not that hard to understand why trans women want ittrans woman want to be seen as women.If they are desired by men who only are attracted to women, they are seen as women.Simple as, its not rocket science
>>43188763Gay men are cute stfu
>>43188841women are gay for liking men
>>43188747Its moreso about wanting someone who values your feminine energy rather than a fellow gay whos just willing to tolerate it.
>>43188747It's just a fantasy, it makes gays feel very attractive since their sexiness somehow overcame a straight guy's biological limitation and for trans it feels euphoric to have a straight guy truly perceive them as a woman. The reality is that straight guys really wouldn't fuck either, the odds are astronomically low to find someone with a heterosexual orientation that happens to have a sexuality which developed in such a particular way that they could even find the opposite sex arousing in the first place. It's possible, but improbable. The only people who are 'straight' that are willing to fuck trans or gays are bisexuals as far as orientation goes, but the fantasy is fun for gays and validating for trans girls so no one really talks about it.
>>43188958*find the SAME sex arousing in the first place.Oops
>>43188953if women didn't create homophobia, most men (who are bi) would be attracted to the femininity within gay men and date them for that, our society is artificial and restricted
>>43188958> the odds are astronomically low to find someone with a heterosexual orientation that happens to have a sexuality which developed in such a particular way that they could even find the opposite sex arousing in the first place. It's possible, but improbableZero evidence that would suggest that. An overwhelming amount of evidence of straight dudes who are into trans women or watch trans porn. All I have to do is swipe a bit on tinder and I’ll prove you wrong. You can say oh but all those men are bisexual or gay. And yeah probably some of them are, human sexuality is far more flexible on average than we are lead to believe. But unless you want to admit the vast majority of all men are some shade of queer then you’re wrong
>>43188747>>43188763>>43188841because all straight men are interested in trans womensee vidrel
>>43189068Not how that works. Orientation is immutable, sexuality is fluid but not to the degree that it completely overwrites orientation outside of rare cases. You're getting false positives from bisexuals and gays, sorry. It's also not the vast majority by any means, come on sis. Even I know chasers are a super minority in the first place. It's time to live with the facts instead of deluding yourself because you're only setting yourself up to get hurt both emotionally and physically.
>>43189107Nta. I think genital preference is not as important as a lot of people make it out to be. For most guys, if it looks like a woman, sounds like a woman, acts like a woman, they can ignore the dick
>>43188747just like someone said it's a fantasy. Men fuck anything it's not impossible to get a "straight" guy to experiment and try a man or transwoman so long as nobody knows about it. Men fuck anything some all the way to grandpa years and are the main driver of half the strange fetishes we have as a society.that being said they aren't daydreaming of just any straight guy, they are dreaming of a modelesque chad, conventionally attractive guy that despite having gorgeous women he's dated or will marry will someone pick a man or a transwoman. That's how you got the whole nikka dragon fiasco with the model she paid to be her fake boyfriend and was upset that he choose his fellow model and childhood bestfriend to marry and have children with. It's what insecure transwomen and men use as a metric, you somehow beat the beautiful ciswoman society bends over backwards for and worships because a hot straight guy picked you. And say it as a transwoman, it's a fantasy and a few pokes around and it always come crashing down of why that guy is humoring a gay man or transwoman.(attractive guy anyway non-attractive it's just a fetish or debauchery
>>43189107Chasers are not the same as men who would fuck a hot trans woman if given the chance. Chasers fetishize, obsess, make it their mission to fuck a ton of trannies, even becoming less attracted to cis women in the process. Your average man is not a chaser certainly. But the average guy if given the opportunity would fuck a hot tranny. These guys dont obsess. They arent porn addicted, they’ve probably seen trans porn once or twice and were interested but didnt seek it out. Do you know how popular trans pornography is? Its bonkers. Straight men consume this shit like crack
>>43189146It's not necessarily just genital preference or even physical attraction in the first place. Your sexual orientation is a fairly rigid determinant on whether you can be aroused by the same sex or not. Sexuality is very fluid and can POTENTIALLY go 'uphill' to make it possible for a guy to be attracted to another man or trans girl, but it's often based more on sexualization of independent parts, concepts or sensations and is extremely rare. We've discovered a long time ago that we can't force attraction or change someone's orientation.The claim that it's most guys is just wrong, it's false positives. Many identify as being heterosexual when they are not because orientations are not commonly understood anymore. I don't want to say YWNBAW or some shit like that, I don't think it really matters if 99% of straight guys won't be able to find you attractive. It's just science and biology as we know it. There's still a huge subsection of bisexuals and gays who'll bang trans chicks...though less of the latter category. It's a known phenomenon that many gays also won't be able to be attracted to transwomen.Attraction is not exclusively based on physical appearance either, fyi
>>43189193that's the key word, a hot tranny. And that's just in theory. once they get to the bedroom and clothes come off doesn't mean once having the chance they will go through with it. Not finding the body attractive upclose and person.plenty of straight woman will hoot and hollar they would sleep with a woman and it's the more conventionally attractive woman, just to maybe get a chance and chicken out or not know what to do (every story of 3-somes or cucking their husbands with a woman just for her to not be comfortable after all)the more non-vanilla the porn the more derange the viewer and i know men looking up porn of women like me aren't the men people seek.
>>43189193Porn stats are not evidence nor good optics for your argument. Not only are they historically unreliable, but they also tell only of fetishization. Your argument makes little no sense in its attempt to distinguish between chasers and supposed 'straights' when using porn stats. Probably just accept that bisexuals exist? I'm not sure what the logical problem here is for you.
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>>43188747Cis women do this too
>>43188958Think we have to step back and evaluate what "straight" really means teleologically because of the 4 straight guys I've dated as a tranny, I'm the first tranny they've been with and all their previous partners were cisF. Like you can tell me they're "truly" bisexual but I think that's just as retarded as cis women calling themselves bisexual while exclusively dating men.If a straight dude walks like a straight dude and quacks like a straight dude then I'm gonna call him a straight dude. Everything else is just sophistry to support the preconceived conclusion that trans women aren't actually women. Which like, whatever, but the mental gymnastics are obvious to any trannies that actually date straight men.
>>43188747well if you're a straight woman and especially so once you're done and have a vagina and all obviously dating straight men makes senseidk why gay men would want to date straight guys
congrats OP, you passed the autism exam!
>>43188747I think it's weirder if transbians (not bi) want to be seen as attractive to straight men and also hit on straight women.I would say my example is in the sneedhon category but still. I think it makes sense for straight and straight leaning bi trans women to want to attract heteronormative men.
