The men that talk to me knowing I'm a tranny almost always have something very strange going on or they're a sexpest and it's not instantly obvious. My ex, the only person i've ever chosen to have sex with and who I was obsessed with, dumped me basically as we were talking about me moving in. i never met his family, i guess i should have known i wasn't a keeper. but just because I'm a tranny? I just don't know what I can do better and it's driving me mad.
I refuse to just resign myself to being a toy for a man that wants to get off but I'm getting so touch starved. it's just becoming harder and harder to believe there are normal men who aren't repulsed by me and who would even look at a tranny for anything but a quick fuck.
i don't hate myself for being a tranny but i do hate myself for not being able to bear a man's children. i think infertile women are probably treated the same way.
i don't know where i am going with all this but i just need to vent somewhere. how can a tranny become wife material through effort? or is it just impossible for us? i don't wanna give up anyway. (2/2)

>>43212321
>how can a tranny become wife material through effort?
You already have all possible quality to be wife material. A degree, interested, a personality, is lovable. The problem is transphobic men, not you

One day you will find a man that loves you

Not a tranny, but you have to understand that 9 times out of 10, between a trans woman and a bio woman, a man will always choose the bio woman. Wouldnt be surprised if a guy chose to date a tranny as a way of "coping" that he cant get an actual woman.
Just saying how i see it anon

>>43212316
>>43212321
I think you underestimate the amount of men who are looking for a long term relationship with a woman, cissoid or tranny. I can imagine the chaser crowd is not making it easy for you, but having found so little stable relationships as a het woman at 20 fucking 5 is strange
can I ask what are your preferences ? would you be attracted only by emotionally detached men

>>43212456
What's weird is I chose a tranny over a cis girl that I was dating. It's more about personality for me, and trans girls (who aren't transbian, their personalities typically don't mesh with me) have typically more amenable personalities for me and therefore I have more attraction to them

>>43212456
I don't think this works with passing trannies

Wanting a family myself I would generally pick a woman who can give birth, that being said if I met a tranny and fell for her then I'd try to make it work

>>43212500
Thats why i said 9/10 times and not 10/10.
>>43212515
For initial atraction? Absolutely, but i guarantee you the moment most guys find out your not a bio woman they will dip

>>43212456
yes i know...that's kinda the point of my blackpill thread
>>43212537
But you would probably swipe past trannies on apps or whatever i assume. since they're not your first choice.
>>43212458
the ex I mentioned in the OP actually was emotionally detached and i liked that initially because it meant stability, a nice stoic aura etc but it led to problems because he would not be transparent about how he felt about anything serious if i didn't press him. (importantly: if something displeased him and he wanted me to work on it)
i don't consider it a flaw per se it's just how he was but i grew to be frustrated with it. so i don't think i prefer it.
What are you asking when you ask for my preferences? nothing crazy, really just that he is taller (trust me this is easy), masculine, only tops, strong preference for him being breadwinner/provider

>>43212548
>find out not bio woman = dip
Yep. I'm transparent about it anyway but the exp i shared was when i wouldnt put it in profiles and would tell people later, or if they are dumb and didnt read that i'm a tranny.

>>43212548
>For initial atraction? Absolutely, but i guarantee you the moment most guys find out your not a bio woman they will dip
then they didn't like you that much in the first place. try to make him attached to you before you tell him, he will find a way to cope then

>>43212577
>nothing crazy, really just that he is taller (trust me this is easy), masculine, only tops, strong preference for him being breadwinner/provider
kek yeah that's what I meant, this archetype is usually the emotionally detached one
if you always look for the soldier aura you will effectively get mostly soulcrushed men who check all the boxes on masculinity at the expense of their ability to feel
you only use normie dating routes ?

>>43212587
Thats not how it works kek. Even i as a certified incel knows that atraction isnt everything regarding this topic.

>>43212417
This

>>43212316
I feel about as hopeless as a single guy who wants to be a dad and that puts off most women I meet

>>43212652
i guess so, but what's the alternative? I feel like I am not asking for much.
i haven't done anything recently. i did a decent amount of app stuff in like 2024 and i met that ex ironically on 4chan later that year.
I went on 2 irl dates with a guy from this board in february and i will respect him assuming he might possibly look at this thread by not revealing something he did on date 2 but it was such a hard no and i soft ghosted him after that. so i haven't been looking recently. like i said the thread is in large part a vent
desu i live in a conservative area in the middle of nowhereish with few young people but i do live an hour from a large city in my area where stuff does happen.
it's possible that i should just move to a place that has more people. but i dunno how that is gonna work jobs don't grow on trees

how tall

>>43212671
>Even i as a certified incel knows
well you don't then, I'm not talking out of my ass

>>43212671
To add to my comment, think about 2 hot looking women, one is a trannie and the other is a bio woman, which one do you think most guys will pick?
You have to understand, even if someone respects trans women, im convinced that subconsciously there is something that prevents us from seeing one at an equal level to an actual woman, if you catch my drift

>>43212316
i think getting a pussy will probably help desu i think trannies are less whiny than cis girls and can't get preggo

>>43212730
I'm 5'6
>>43212752
that's my hope! srs date looking like early 2027.
penetrative sex the other way is not very convenient and i don't really understand how people even like receiving it
>>43212733
mhm :/

>>43212718
I was going to say that this board works better but you seem to know
I think you should move, you won't be young forever
try younger guys, theyre less soldierfags but don't have everything figured already, and thus will need you for more than your body

>>43212316
I wanted all these things out my my ex but due to her mental health problems we didn't work out unfortunately. I didn't get to Introduce her to my mom we broke up before that unfortunately. I haven't had the heart to tell my mom yet and it's been months, mom keeps asking me about her.

Not all chasers are the same, but I understand why girls think so having seen how some of the degenerates on here treat girls.

>>43212833
lol i don't think this board works better. I met my ex through sheer dumb luck he doesn't even use tttt and while i thought he was perfect we obviously had something irreconcilable.
the guy i went on irl dates with through frengen add i won't speak of.
i have added plenty of men from here there is always something weird about them.
of course i'm sure there are some decent men on tttt worth linking up with but my pattern recognition has been pretty established.
>>43212834
i'm sorry to hear that anon. i know how crushing it is for something to not work out w/ someone you had high hopes for because of reasons that don't make much sense. or seem very fixable. i won't bother giving you solace pity bc i know it doesn't do anything. but i get it.

>>43212316
Straight cis man here.

If you're being honest about your qualities then you're clearly great wife material.

The problems are these:
1) Marriage in general is a really risky deal for the person who plays the role of provider (typically a man), and because cheating is legal and cannot be punished in any way, it happens a lot, specially by the person who'd lose less in case of divorce (typically a woman).
Because of this, most non-religious men don't want to marry (and religious men are typically not LGBT-friendly or at least not willing to marry someone of the same sex because of the social stigma they'd be subjected to by their religious peers).
Btw, gay men marriages have a lower rate of divorce... but AFAIK most are open marriages. You'd have a really hard time finding a man with the traits you want who would get into something like that, SPECIALLY since you want a provider (and him not being a Reddit basedboy but a handsome dominant man).
2) Most men of the characteristics you mentioned (i.e. traditional men) typically want to have children of their own, usually since their early 30s. The physical impossiblity of this due to being of the same sex will unfortunately FILTER most viable candidates you'll find.

My advice:
If marriage is a MUST (and you wouldn't be satisfied with just an LTR with cohabitation, assuming there's no Common Law Marriage laws where you live), then I recommend you seek men who fit your criteria that DON'T WANT TO HAVE CHILDREN, or alternatively (if you don't mind single or divorced dads) that already have them.
Otherwise go for LTRs with men you really like, and enjoy them while they last. The children issue will most likely come up at some point, but if you're not married you'll both have the freedom to walk out without too much trouble.

Good luck.

>>43212925
you can always try irl if you move

>>43213027
P.S. Alternatively, maybe you'll find infertile men who check your requirements, but it's very statistically unlikely.

>>43212925
You know, just as I say "not all chasers are like that"
>>43213027
This MF chimes in.

Anyway thanks for your sympathies. Dating someone with mental health issues is tough. They hurt you and you get mad, and your right too....but it's also not really their fault. So you keep it up, you stay strong for them hoping it will get better till things go to far. It's tough, like dealing with a death of a loved one except their body's still walking around, putting a new guy through the same stuff.

>>43213862
>This MF chimes in
I'm being honest. I'm don't sugarcoat my posts even if it gets me flak for it.

>>43212316
I don't think it's that bleak. I don't personally like SRS so I wouldn't date but some guys do. Stay optimistic and keep trying

>>43212316
this>>43212752
non chasers are genuinely repulsed by dicks and they cannot bring themselves to simply ignore it. idk if you have male friends or if you ever had the experience of asking honest men about this, i did. also be absolutely sure that youre getting srs with a top surgeon

>>43212577
>strong preference for him being breadwinner/provider
Think I found your problem
You make good money to begin with but you want your partner to do even better
Men around your age have it pretty bad in this economy, it's generally easier as a woman to find something (especially if you're a tranny because you definitely won't take maternity leave)
Either look for someone older or accept that men your age will struggle economically, at least for a while

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>>43212316
The difficulty with biological kids could in theory be overcome by surrogacy, but from what I gather there isn't really a social or legal framework for that in the United States and its cripplingly expensive since it's uncovered by insurance. It's a process which can easily be framed as exploitation of women so if it gained attention it might get legislated against. It certainly happens though, a notable example is the famous skater Alysa Liu who along with her 4 siblings were born from surrogate mothers. Trans women have to save money early on for FFS and SRS, maybe in the future they will start saving for surrogacy as well. Otherwise adoption always exists, but men are less likely to be okay with that.

>>43213027
I think a lot of men are jaded against marriage and maybe even commitment in general, and really just put up with these things as a means to the end of having children of their own.

Dating for trans women with marriage in mind is similar to dating for cis women in the past when they had lower SMV. Historically marriages were seen as more materialist and transactional, i.e. the woman had to bring something to the table like being able to cook or being good with kids... trans women should play on their strengths like being nice to be around and useful. In the past women could find partners through their parents, but unfortunately a lot of parents aren't supportive. My overall point is that looking to what worked in the past might be helpful.

>>43212316
>>43212321
Its best to stop being insecure about the inability to have biological children and focus on how to be a good person, especially a good mother. There are tons and tons of parents but good parents are rarer.
Anyway there are men that do want to adopt, do not fall for the psyop that men only want bio kids.

>>43212417
No womb doebeit, marry a pooner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwuRSS2whTg

Unfortunately if there's one thing I've learned in life it's that you can't rely on other humans. They will always find a way to hurt and disappoint you. If you're a good person who knows how to love, then you can only do your best and hope that it works out.

You might like settling for a bi guy. I know my boyfriend is willing to go long term with me but he liked me as a man too, but its not like him being a fag is a problem

>>43215430
You are being a bit too blackpilled. You can still find a man or woman that will love and care you

Finding a man who wants kids and is actually capable of providing for a family is something even cis women struggle with these days. You have the added difficulty of finding that plus the man has to be okay with a trans plus he has to be okay with the substantial extra cost and challenges of a surrogacy on top of that. And the window to do this closes in your late 30s and is over forever. So get off 4ch and start aggressively looking NOW.

Most dudes that will get in long term relationships with a trans are the type that want the gf experience without the pressure of providing for a family. Those type of guys there's an infinite amount for your entire life.

>>43214221
i actually prefer men 5-10 years older than me so i think it's reasonable to expect that they will make more than me
i don't disagree that women have it easier but i don't have an idea that men ''''must'''' be providers it's just necessary that a husband of mine should have a lot of money if we are going to have children in this time anyway so there's no reason to not play into it
>>43215415
i think i would be a good mother. i'm still insecure about it
>>43215444
maybe. but in practice there is a lot of uncertainty about it. i dunno. i intellectually accept that men that are into me might not be 100000% straight but if a man regularly dated men how do i know he wont see me as a man. or has stds etc.
>>43218509
while i don't like your use of trans as a noun i don't deny that your comment is very truthful overall

>>43221152
>i actually prefer men 5-10 years older than me
This gives me hope. Is a guy being 32 years old all good for a marriage for example? Assuming he has a stable career and a structured life

>>43218509
>>43213027

pretty much the thread was answered here, there isn't much to add that hasn't been said other than not only your competition being other cis women but obviously prettier transwoman who have everything you have and more.

you don't get a cookie for having a degree, most woman on average have that, most men don't actually care about things like cooking or body count as much as they harp about it. If you're incredible at cooking a man who loves food will obviously find that a plus but he isn't going to turn down his dream girl so long as she doesn't burn something as simple as an egg. same for hooking up, as long as nobody knows in his circle and it isn't 20+ bodies that can easily be proven men actually don't care. woman lie all the time and obviously it can't be proven unless word of mouth or social media spreads it.

if you're actually serious about having children and a family act like it, just like the cis women who are serious. most women get engaged while in college and or immediately after graduating in a year or two and that's primarily because they are serious about popping out children. you said mid 20's so obviously you realize yourself you're getting old ,because you won't even say the exact number, to be considered and being trans doesn't help.

men don't like the idea of adoption unless they already had at least one child of their own, surrogacy even when you get a poor 3rd world woman to do it is expensive. which means you have better luck having family or a close ciswoman friend to do it and based on you even boohooing on 4chan about this instead of talking to them solidifies you don't even have that. if you're serious about children you'll fix your social life as well or your kids will suffer from isolation because their mom is off, it all ties in.

become prettier, work on actually dating and be honest with comparing yourself so you can actually get married before you turn 28-30.

>>43222901
in my opinion yeah that seems reasonable. but as someone who is not married and has been rejected or dumped by guys my whole life maybe don't take advice from me
>>43223148
you're making a lot of assumptions about me.
I did try to find a partner early. i had a bf at 18 who was well off, a few years older than me, family minded etc. he dumped me when i was 19 basically because i had male friends and he couldnt stand me being with them. my recent and most serious ex dumped me for being 'boring'(no way that's the real answer).
i never said i deserved a bf because i have a degree or i can cook really well or whatever i was just listing things to showcase that i am not complaining about this while being completely worthless.
mid 20s makes me sound older than i am i am basically as young as i can be while it could be argued i could be considered mid 20s. i am not giving the exact age because plenty of people on the board know me and it would be kinda awkward to be too identifying.
i do have friends. i don't burden them with complaining about how i don't have a husband or i can't bear children because i would be complaining to them all damn day every day and i don't want to do that to them?

>>43224179
that is literally what friends are for, you haven't really said anything identifiable since you didn't mention your degree but if you don't want to mention you age it doesn't matter the fact your mid at all when most are married by the age should be a wakeup call enough.

a lot of the things you listed is what most functioning adults have done.(outside of the surgeries) not saying you're worthless just okay most adults are expected to have these things and only would impress terminally online people.

most men worth a damn, good career that pays well whats a wife first and foremost in a high paying career that will ultimately stop once kids are on the table all will ideally being gorgeous.

let's say you don't need some cream of the crop guy and you'll settle for average joe. even he wants an attractive girl.

you say you're not boring but out of the things you listed not once have you mention interest or hobbies that would set you apart while other woman would have.

and if you can't even complain to your friends, again, you have bigger issues.

it just all sucks :/ i feel like even if i got the life i wanted id be so scared my husband would leave me for a cis girl or the government would just arbitrarily take my kids away. i hate being trans i hate it so bad it makes me want to ruin things for everyone else

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>>43212316
Anon I hope you find someone to share your life with. As a dude who doesn't mind, I'd love to have a partner to share my life with too, so know that not everyone is too picky or a chaser or whatever. I trust your self assessment that you're easy to get along with and it's a good sign that you were able to pay for things yourself, which is a huge benefit to any relationship. I'm probably too unlikeable and unattractive to find a real partner but if it's any consolation you probably have a better shot than I do. (Not complaining just saying you aren't alone in feeling this way and some see your progress with envy even if you aren't there yet, remember to practice gratitude it helps!) Good luck.

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>>43212321
Hey anon
I know a lot of girls feel the same way as you, but there is hope.
Im a cis straight/bi guy, my ex was after trans girl. We lived together and we lived happily, we'd go out on dates during the weekdays when we weren't busy working, make dinners, and during the weekends she'd be in puppygirl mode trained to cock worship me while on her leash. Pulling on her leash, her clinging onto my big hairy legs and giving her ear scratches between her huffing my balls, then night time spooning seshes.
She unfortunately ended her life due to bpd and I haven't recovered. But that being said, I was planning to adopt kids with her.
You can achieve happiness doll. I was there. Keep kicking these faggot ass bottom chasers into the ocean please because they make guys like me look bad when we're nothing like them. Do not lose hope.

>>43212316
I think a lot of people feel similar. Im a cis man and want a family and long term too. But its not the kind of click your fingers and everything magically works. I think its crazy to assume that people don't want that though just because you've had some bad luck with guys/girls whoever.
I think there are plenty of people who will treat you respectfully (but i dont know how you filter the ones that wont).

>>43212733
Is the biowoman infertile? I think its an unfair comparation if thats not the case

>>43213027
In this case i think dating single dads is the best option for nona