It's pathetic political slop for cheap likes

>>43232130
who cares it's funny

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>>43232130
This is the distinction that really matters.

I've got nothing but sympathy for Crystal right now, I really hope she's got someone around her supporting her through what is probably the worst possible thing that could happen to a person short of getting black bagged by the CIA.

>>43232179
took me a second to realize what you actually changed in the image

I guess that's probably true yeah

>>43232197
I was outed early in my transition by my doctor. It's rape. It feels like rape. It feels like you've had your sexual autonomy and agency stolen from you, and then the person who did it to you bragged about it in public.

And this is 10,000 times worse than what happened to me. I legitimately think the sui risk here is extreme.

>>43232240
He is married to one of the most evil people alive. Who cares if he kills himself

>>43232130
no, because project liberal sucks anyway, they’re lolbertarians taking advantage of trump’s terrible approval rating

>>43232256
SHE is not the most evil person, she is about to experience what 99% of boomerhons experience, which is her bitch wife using gender dysphoria as evidence against her in family court before she loses access to her family and her entire life.

She is just a John50 who was at the end of her rope before Murdoch's minions decided to put her most closely guarded secret on the front page, not because she deserved it, but because her bitch wife was a public figure and it was all a bit of a laugh.

You think what Kristi Noem did to Sarah McBride was bad, wait to you see what that bitch does to poor Crystal, who's only crime was doing what society told her to do for as long as she could.

>>43232179
Nobody denied him shit. He's a rich man who could have had any treatment he wanted. He never transitioned because he would lose his proximity to power, he hates trannies and because he simply is not trans. Why are people here defending this literal fascist sissy boomer optics nuke while shitting on unfortunate reddit sneedhons? He is a terrible person that doesn't deserve our sympathy, yet he gets it while actual trannies are mocked for not passing

>>43232130
is it transphobia if they’re making fun of him for being ugly and not for being trans (comparing to an mtf)

it’s just lookism, which is also evil, but no one is ready for that talk yet

>>43232130
How much you wanna bet that dude ropes himself?
Is he a tranny I thought he was just a bimbo sissy or whatever

>>43232262
I'm part of Project Liberal and yes we're mostly left-libertarians, but left-libertarianism is good and basically synonymous with (reasonable understandings of) liberalism in any case. The founder was formerly a Republican libertarian but switched several years ago

Free markets are good for all people (minorities, majorities, the poor, the rich, the middle class, etc.). Also, this is obviously just correlation, but intelligence is consistently correlated with both socially liberal and economically libertarian ideas

>>43232355
lol faggot

>>43232312
There is no punishment in this world that he and his wife do not deserve. It's extremely weird you insist on using she for this misogynistic humiliation fetishist sex addict
>>43232130
It's transphobic for implying he and hunter are in the same category at all. He is not a woman. Even if he has dysphoria, he's a repper, so very deliberately a man

>>43232339
Lookism isn't evil per se, it's just people taking it to an extreme direction of "everything you say and do is wrong because you're ugly"

>>43232369
Yeah, being bad faith and retarded on purpose is evil. Intentionally shitting on human logical ability for your own personal gain is evil.

>>43232405
What I meant to say is that taking it to this extreme is evil
Caring about looks, recognizing that your looks matter in society, helping others understand how to improve their looks, I don't think that sort of lookism is evil

>>43232433
i don’t think that is even lookism…

>>43232317
>He never transitioned because he would lose his proximity to power,
She's going to lose a lot more than that. She's going to lose her kids, all her friends, her job, MOST of her money, her entire life.
>he hates trannies
Yeah, because gender dysphoria. Hate as a tool of repression is really fucking common.
Have you even read Vitale? Or do you just use John50 as a generic transphobic slur?
https://www.avitale.com/essays/a-developmental-review

>optics nuke
How are you still this fucking stupid. She didn't come out on reality TV like Caitlyn Jenner, she was OUTED by the zionists because they didn't want to report on the latest invasion of Lebanon by Israel. She was DESPERATELY trying to keep this a secret and now her entire life is utterly destroyed.

We do not control our own optics. They will always be able to find someone, and they'll keep doing it because it works because you don't name the fucking Jew.

>he gets it while actual trannies are mocked for not passing
That's what you're doing. What I'm doing is showing sympathy for someone who is going through the worst possible experience a trans woman can have.

>Nobody denied him shit.
You think kid with conservative parents in a red state in the 70s could have just popped down to the GP at the age of 13 for some cypro?
I had to have three appointments before I got AAs at the age of 40 and I live in a left-wing hellhole with so many rainbow flags flying around that I think I'm losing the ability to see colour.
AND I was fucking outed by my doctor.

It's like you don't even know the shit actual trans women have to deal with today, and how much better it is to the way things used to be.

>>43232130
it's transphobia but I really don't care
-troon centrist

>>43232368
>It's extremely weird you insist on using she for this misogynistic humiliation fetishist sex addict
It's not fucking weird because she's trans.
And she is having to deal with that truth about herself under the worst possible circumstances.

Fetishization is really fucking common in repressed transwomen who are being constantly tortured by a male sex drive.
By to be clear she has:
1. Expressed a desire for hormones
2. Expressed her desire for female secondary sex characteristics
3. Expressed her desire to be seen and treated as a woman
and
4. Was experiencing dysfunction in occupational, social, or other important areas of functioning.

WELL AND TRULY MEETING the diagnostic criteria for Gender Dysphoria.

She's trans.

Meanwhile it's her wife that's the actual evil one. Crystal didn't make toilet laws just to fuck with Sarah McBride, Kristi did. And Kristi is just getting warmed up, wait till you see what that transphobic bitch does to Crystal.

>>43232476
>She's going to lose her kids, all her friends, her job, MOST of her money, her entire life.
good. hope his wife somehow suffers from this too
>Hate as a tool of repression is really fucking common.
that's a nice cute excuse when maybe you made some edgy chud posts and left it at that. he is so far beyond that its not even funny. being a repper doesn't excuse being an actual fascist that materially benefits from crimes against humanity
>What I'm doing is showing sympathy for someone who is going through the worst possible experience a trans woman can have.
He is not a trans woman. He has not transition and he probably never will. Even if he does, I will never have any sympathy for him. If he does want to transition, he should have to do so in an ICE concentration camp. He seems to be ok with those so it should be fine for him

It seems weird to gender “her” as female even though he most likely would strongly oppose to this himself outside of sexual outlets he never wanted to go public. Do people really have no agency in their identities? I don’t even have any sympathy for him, but gendering him differently than what he himself both idenitifies and presents doesn’t make any sense if you’re trying to be sympathetic.

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>>43232130
The brain rot is real with you to post political memes LvsR. 99% that the source picture is strictly due to political game playing, like the CA congressman who, all of a sudden, has a leaked video of him and being accused of rap.

Not left or right, just a bunch of corrupt politicians that use the NSA and OpResearch Groups as their playthings to get anyone they don't like permanently erased from government.

>>43232476
hi emily

>>43232262
Libertarians are literally just gigaliberals who take the concept of individual liberty to the max

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>>43232529
>that's a nice cute excuse when maybe you made some edgy chud posts and left it at that.
How are you actually this fucking retarded?

You're the one who's not trans. You clearly haven't experienced a fucking second of actual dysphoria.

> I will never have any sympathy for him.
And you deserve none yourself, you fucking sociopath.

>>43232509
If he wasn't ok with what his wife was doing he would have gotten divorced. Would also have allowed him to transition in peace. The reason he's still married to her is because he's ok with what she was doing and doesn't want to transition

>>43232590
I don't have dysphoria because I don't think it's ok to be a fascist? white trannies never beating the allegations, now the Nazi phase is a prerequisite for being trans lmao

>>43232596
Wow you literally are a sociopath huh?
What she was doing was what society beat into her from the age of two.

Be a man, get married, have kids, don't let the tranny thoughts in, all guys have those thoughts sometimes, vote republican, get a job, sex in the missionary position for the purposes of having children, get a mortgage, pay it off, a big screen TV for watching fox news, of course you don't want to be a woman, women are pathetic and trannies are inflicting their humiliation fetish on the public, buy a sports care, join the golf club, cheat on your wife with a younger woman, and always remember you are a man.

Are you proud of me yet daddy? Was I a good boy just like you told me to be? Please love me, I don't want to be alone.

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>>43232615
You don't have dysphoria because you don't have dysphoria.

>>43232643
You would literally make excuses for Goebbels if they found a picture of him cross dressing. People do have some agency, and you should be judging them for being ok with Nazi shit. You should take a good, long look in the mirror and figure out why you're so set on defending this piece of shit. You seem to be identifying with him to a concerning degree
>>43232659
I have had surgeries and been on hrt longer than you.

Being evil is still bad even if you are mentally unwell. In fact, many of the most evil people are not quite right in the head!

>>43232130
Not the end of the world obviously, but they shouldnt post it, its completely unnecessary

>>43232509
These thoughts were expressed in very specific sexual context
It's true that trans women often fetishize their own condition, but it's also true that cis men can have AGP fetish and only as a fetish, with zero dysphoric thoughts outside of sexual life
I cannot know for certain if that person is trans or not, neither can you

>>43232697
>Goebbels if they found a picture of him cross dressing.
Cross dressing alone doesn't make you trans.
Crystal Noem has well and truly crossed the diagnostic threshold of gender dysphoria, indicating she is, in fact, neurologically female.

In the meantime, someone we thought was our enemy has just been revealed to be one of us. That's one less person on the other side, one more person on ours. Why are you so upset about that.

We've literally got the opportunity to cleanse a "nazi" of the very mental illness that was causing them to be a "nazi", and instead of doing that you start spouting "nazi" levels of transphobic abuse at her.

Literally fucking kill yourself.

>I have had surgeries and been on hrt longer than you.
What that's got to do with you not experiencing gender dysphoria?

>>43232697
Byron Noem did nothing. It was his wife that did all the bad shit.

In the best-case scenario, Kristi realizes that her actions have hurt those close to her, and changes her ways.

>>43232730
>These thoughts were expressed in very specific sexual context
Yeah because she was desperate to keep it secret.

> that cis men can have AGP fetish and only as a fetish,
Yeah I've met them. It's not actually an "AGP fetish" because Blanchard is retarded as is anyone who is still talking about "AGP" in 2026.
That ain't Crystal.
Crystal was doing the best she could to mitigate her dysphoria without nuking her whole life.

And then the zionists nuked it for her because Israel needed a distraction.

And the worst part of that is, it didn't even work. The normies didn't care about this, they cared that Israel blew up the cease fire which was making food and fuel unaffordable. Y'know, shit that actually matters.

>>43232757
Everything he said was in the context of a jerkoff session with his Somme. He has a humiliation kink so he said he wants to be the most worthless thing he can imagine, a tranny. It fits perfectly with his behavior and his family's politics. I'll change my mind when he's on hrt and legally changes his name

>>43232790
>Kristi realizes that her actions have hurt those close to her, and changes her ways.
That's not the best case scenario, that's a fairy tale.

Kristi right now is going to be extremely hurt and angry, and she is going to want to take that all out on her soon to be ex-husband.

Talk to trans women who were married before they transitioned, there are no good stories.

>>43232811
>He has a humiliation kink so he said he wants to be the most worthless thing he can imagine, a tranny.
Which is still normal for a repressed trans woman of her age.

How many times does this article need to be quoted at you before you fucking read it?
It's 10 minutes of your time so you don't have to be a fucking retard for the rest of your life.

https://www.avitale.com/essays-details/?name=the-gender-variant-phenomenon--a-developmental-review-5

sissies are not trans. feeling sad doesn't excuse being a nazi

>>43232846
I first read that article ten years ago. There is nothing in it that will make me have sympathy for him. I don't know if he has dysphoria and I don't care. He is not trans. I have nothing in common with him

>>43232853
What's your excuse you transphobic piece of shit?

>>43232872
they don't care it's politics brain all the way for that hypocrite.

>>43232870
Read it again.
>I have nothing in common with him
This part I actually agree with. Not because she's not trans, but because you're not.

You are a malebrained male, using politics to disguise your true nature.

Crystal isn't why they hate us. You are. Because you speak for us even tho you're not one of us, and all you say is hate and violence.

As I said in the other thread, this whole situation reeks of propaganda to re-normalize the idea of conversion therapy.

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>>43232349
Most if not all sissies are repping transsexuals who are trying to cope without actually trooning out, the sooner you accept this the better.

Instead of trying to convince cissoids that disallowing early transition will lead to suicide, cause they clearly don’t give a shit, we should tell them that it will just lead to a surplus of sissies and rapehons later in life.

The truth shall set you free.

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>>43232919
They don't think it that far through sweety.
I called this weeks ago when it was clear that Israel had cocked up the Iran war, they were going to throw us under the bus as a distraction, just like they always do.

What's actually really heartening this time is how much it just didn't work. This is the only board talking about it, even /pol/ doesn't get baited on this shit. The commedians are still making WW3 jokes. And the other girls at work are begining to openly discuss the JQ.

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>>43232355
kys

>>43232933
Most if not all transsexuals are repping gay men who are trying to cope without actually coming out, the sooner you accept this the better.
pot meet kettle

>>43233136
bold of you to assume a surplus of HSTS

is this Emily of 4chan speaking

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>>43233313
meant to reply oops

>>43233331
okay I'm retarded ignore me another mistake it's late and I'm sleepy

>>43233136
Faggot somehow thinks you can troon out without coming out, lay off the Tina sis, it’s rotting your brain

>>43232317
this
retards everywhere defending this shit instead of defending trans woman, they sure love to group us together just to be "subversive" and "undermine" the patriarchy.
I'm tired of this ppl

>>43232476
nta
but go fuck yourself you retarded piece of shit, why the fuck are you defending a dumb retarded sissy fetishist just because he could "probably" be a fucking "trans woman" FUCK YOU
>...sympathy for someone who is going through the worst possible experience a trans woman can have...
THAT'S NOT A FUCKING TRANS WOMAN YOU DUMB FUCK
THATS A FUCKING GROWN RETARDED POS OF A CONSERVATARD THAT IS FIGHTING AGAINST US I DONT FUCKING CARE IF HE COULD PROBABLY BE A FUCK TRANNY HE COULD FUCKING KILL HIMSELF FOR ALL I CARE.

IDIOTS LIKE YOU SURE LOVE TO LOVE HEAVENS AND EARTH TO DEFEND PPL LIKE THAT FUCK YOU

>>43232317
>>43233481
Go to bed samejew. You lost.
This shit doesn't work any more, the top story of the evening was the IDF dropping 500kg bombs on apartment buildings in Beriut during a ceasefire.

>>43232130
Neither one is a woman.

>>43232355
based

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>>43232355
Lolbert is a non starter, dead in the water ideology on both sides. There's like 1 libertarian leaning Republican in both chambers of Congress, and zero libertarian leaning Democrats as far as I'm aware of. To somehow believe that you're going to keep social liberalism without being taxed up your ass for it is a naive fantasy.

Are we seriously being psyopped into thinking this guy's is actually trans. On this fucking board. Are we fucking serious???

>>43232130
Crystal/Bryon may have found themself in a bad situation when their wife started going on her anti-trans crusade, not wanting to leave the marriage but clearly never able to talk with Kristi about it
I don't think Crystal's fair game for this
Kristi on the other hand should be mocked for crusading against trans people only to have a secret tranny wife

>>43233660
It was just pre-zionism.
I was a lolbert back in 2012 during the Ron Paul days, and I pretty quickly realized just how much of the people running the show behind the scenes were either jewish or bouncing on ashkenazi dick so hard they could barely think.

And since then most of the lolbert rank and file converted to alt-right because of the immigration issue, while the supposed leadership all dropped the mask and went unironic zionazi.

These are the same clowns behind LGB Alliance, and the Senate Leadership Fund.

>>43233678
Fuck off Jew.

>>43233690
>Kristi on the other hand should be mocked for crusading against trans people only to have a secret tranny wife
This I actually agree with.
That bitch absolutely deserves this.

>>43233699
Ayn Rand itself was Alissa Rosenbaum from Russia, a rebranded former communist turned libertarian. The entire inspo for lolibertian and neocon ideas came from jews trying to distance themselves from trotskyism and psyop the goy into another movement that was detrimental to their future. They are master manipulators in that respect, expertly preying on the naive idealism of people of European heritage.

>>43233717
What the fuck are you even talking about he's literally an agp crossdresser like he is quite literally what terfs pretend to think we all are. He's not trans.

>>43232476
I assume you actually lost custody because your wife found your internet history filled with deranged sissy porn and neonazi conspiracy theories and proved to the judge you are not a safe person to have custody of your children lmao. Since you live in a blue city, being trans alone wouldn’t cause you to lose custody

>>43233761
Freidrick Hayek, Murray Rothbard, Ludvig Von Mises, the entire "austrian school of economics" was actually just a different interpretation of Hegellian social theory which is the basis of marxism. And the only non-Jew in all of that is Hegel himself.

It's just another case of the Jews trying to turn people away from the Church with materialism, only they never actually deliver on their material promises, which just winds up causing yet more resentment towards Jews. They're so busy obsessing about their IQ scores that they never fucking learn from their mistakes.

>>43233781
FUCK OFF JEW
You lost.
And now you're getting named because I don't fall for the Jewish reset.

She's trans, you're Jewish, fucking gas yourself.

>>43233796
>transphobic bullshit
I was never married thank god.
But to be clear what you're talking about is pretty much the bog standard story as the diagnosable mental illness that repressed trans women are suffering from is used as evidence that they're unfit husbands and fathers in family court.

These are issues that actually affect actual trans people who actually exist and aren't just fodder for your zionist bullshit, you EVIL FUCKING JEW.

EVIL!!!!!!
Actual unironic fucking evil.
And every is starting to wake the fuck up FINALLY.

>>43232130
It's 100% fair game. Conservatives live by the sword but don't want to die by the sword

>>43234074
>30 minutes later
>Another Jewish reset

>>43233855
Can you list all of your diagnosed mental illnesses for me and any medication you take on a regular basis?

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>>43234108
I can. I'm not going to because that would be retarded. But technically I'm perfectly able to do that.

>>43233855
There is nothing wrong with trans people; there is something wrong with you as an individual. You are misogynistic, bigoted, and schizophrenically paranoid. You should nevwr burden children with your presencd

>>43234154
It would actually not be retarded. It would be a very smart thing to do. If you think about it, it is the least retarded thing you have ever thought about.

>>43234166
You're Jewish.
Which is the worst thing it's possible to be.

>>43232757
If hitlers book had a "i wish i was a woman" you would be defending him as one of ur own, if he is a piece of shit, he deserves the suffering no matter what form it takes.

>>43236395
From their posts it sounds like they'd be defending Hitler already

>>43236395
If Mein Kampf had have had a "I wish I was a woman" he wouldn't have been able to lead the third reich.
See this is what you don't get, if you're trans you deal with it or you fucking sui. There's no world conquest option. There's the you've been fucked over for life by a fucking birth defect option.

Crystal Noem got fucked over by the same birth defect that fucked me over and we're STILL not getting the care we actually need to have healthy and productive lives.

That's my fucking politics. Your fucking politics is "how can I twist this for israel?"

>>43232262
what lolbertarians mean exactly, it reminds me of propedo libertarians or libertarians that suck trumps cock at every occasion

>>43236628
It’s hilarious to read this hicks posts and see how quickly they go from moralfagging about how we don’t want to do the legwork to redeem some trashy conservative who has done absolutely nothing good for anyone btw, just have his dirty secret exposed, to outright racism against everyone disagreeing. White queers are the weakest link.

>>43236662
Your not a race you fucking Jew. You're a racist cult.

>>43232476
>she was OUTED by the zionists because they didn't want to report on the latest invasion of Lebanon by Israel
this is 4chan.org ma'am you can just say jews

>>43236685
I know. I did.
Murdoch isn't a Jew tho, he just loved Jewish dick in his mouth.

>>43236671
I’m not a Jew, I’m Indian American, and they are indeed an ethnoreligious group retard, it’s pretty simple stuff. Just goes to show that maybe your dysphoria isn’t quite so cured and you yourself haven’t been “cleansed of your hatred” that you can see clearly enough who the actual psyops are, huh? It’s apparently such a big stretch that actual brown trannies on this board don’t want to coddle some rich conservative who’s explicitly been helping target us for aspects beyond our transness because…for what, he may be a fucking tranny and he fucked around like a retard and got exposed for it? So now we all have to go change his poopy diaper or we don’t actually experience dysphoria ourselves? Apparently the idea of that being disgusting enough to non white troons on its own is too much of a stretch for your hick monkey brain, it has to be da joos interjecting.

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>>43236704
>I’m not a Jew, I’m Indian American,
I stopped reading right there because the rest of your lies don't even matter.

>>43236706
That’s fine, given how angrily male all your responses are coming across and how much energy you’ve wasted defending this pervert, I know you’re still drowning in the dysphoria anyways so that’s good enough for me. Have a nice day :)

>>43236713
>transphobia
Jew

>>43232130
>liberal
the american left wing literally does not even fucking exist it's a mass hallucination

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>>43232476
hi emily. did you eat your estrogenic weeds yet?

>>43232130
99.9% of cissoids are transphobic. fucking get real. tired of this performative nonsense that only exists so you can later claim youve been fighting transphobia and downplay it. 'is this le transphobic' yes motherfucker open your eyes the world is a transphobic

>>43232130
it's not transphobia, the vast majority of sissy crossdressers aren't reppers, and it isn't authentic self-expression like drag queens, it's just a fetish
the best thing trans people can do is join in on making fun of them, so normies don't think we're the same thing

>>43237131
Well yea, liberalism is a right wing ideology.

>>43237399
That's why its transphobic. Libs equating sissies with trans people is bad actually

>>43237422
You're Jewish actually.

>>43232179
Stop treating a grown man with kid gloves out of sympathy for the injured boy he used to be.He's a rich man and could change his life the moment he wished to. But he didn't, he hasn't, and it's yet to be seen if he will. Don't pity someone who never asked for it, much less one who doesn't deserve it.

>>43232312
SYBAU, unc. Boomerhons are not special, innocent angels who did nothing wrong. Marrying Kristi was his choice, and a deceptively executed one at that. Choosing to have three kids was his own choice too. At any point the ride could have stopped and he chose to go along each time at each juncture.

"Will you think of the poor Nazi? Yes, he harassed socialists; yes, he denigrated Jews. Yes, he participated in book burnings. Yes, he forced women back into domestic labor. Yes, he seized people's belongings and sent people off to labor camps. Yes, he guarded the labor camps. Yes, he gassed people. Yes, he incinerated the corpses. Have some sympathy for him! This is what society told him he should do." That's how stupid you sound, unc. Was what he did as bad as a Nazi? No, but the similarity is each made choices, one after another, that sank them into the pit they made for themselves. Every person is responsible for their choices, and you should not take away their agency in that. I suspect you must be a boomerhon yourself to have so much sympathy for someone so undeserving. What a vile piece of shit you are for having such uncritical support for someone like him.

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>>43232540
>CA congressman who, all of a sudden, has a leaked video of him and being accused of rap
Damn I didn’t know spitting rhymes could get a white person in trouble

>>43233855
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stop defending people who marry people who try to get us dead. even if he is trans somewhere deep inside, that would only mean he deserves death even more for the betrayal. i hope he kills himself over this publicity, just like his wife hopes i kill my self and actively tries to make me do so by making my peaceful existence illegal. you people are so fucking cucked. kill transphobes and kill fucking boome sissies too, i just want to life my life in peace

>>43232179
>medical care
bro both have bolt ons lmao fake tits arent medical

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>>43238031
Based. Boomersissies may be our cousins or versions of us twisted by repression, but they got that way because they embraced conservative values and snuck around in the shadows instead of living freely.