People are cognizant of when they are doing something for a fetish. You can't accidentally do something for a fetish. Drop the Blanchard bullshit and enjoy your life, nona.

>>43264596
>it doesnt help that I already look like a short femme gay boy pre hrt(18)
Let me breed you

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>>43264596
please consult the chart

if you were always a fag and have no attraction to women + you're naturally short and feminine you're unlikely to be agp

>gender envy
as in the way sneeds say of 'i want to be her and fuck her' or just regular jealousy?
>I no longer want a sex drive
hrt will lower it and change how it feels
>I have a lot of dysphoria body wise
that's literally all you need. even if you didn't have the other things, this means you should troon out. if things are as you're describing, ygmi anyway

>>43264653
are cluster b faketrans?

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>>43264649
ew

I only really added this to assert that I theoretically could cis cope but idk it would suck

having a flat chest for life would make me wanna kms

>>43264653

gender envy in the giwtwm sense/ being jealous that I am not as feminine as the cis women my age

def not some weird White Lotus shit(that scene still gives me the creeps)

>>43264681
Ok but if you're already a gay boy with a flat chest, iLOVE you and need you to be my bf. Flat chests are so peak.

If you're grossed out by this you're agp btw they're the ones that think there's something wrong with gay men loving themselves and other males

>>43264704
lol

the idea of being a gay man is so gross to me not because of internalized homophobia but the idea of some guy liking me for having male traits is weird

>>43264718
Idk maybe you're unsure of what you want? A gay boy doesn't care about any of that stuff, he's already naturally fem and cares more about getting a bf and being in love than about the dynamics of two males loving each other.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with loving your body and your life. These people that would groom you into hating your body and your life are dragging you into their little misery world honey. Think about that.

>>43264680
depends if you class agps as faketrans
personally i see it as not all agps are faketrans but all faketrans are agp

>>43264681
>having a flat chest for life would make me wanna kms
you're a tranny

>gender envy in the giwtwm sense/ being jealous that I am not as feminine as the cis women my age
i wish sneeds didn't coin confusing terms to describe what gets their princess wands hard because it confuses people who experience normal emotions like you

you're describing normal jealousy, cis women get jealous of other cis women

>>43264736
I mean idk

In an ideal world I would have secondary + primary sex characteristics for a female plus in an even more ideal world I would be normal and have a uterus and have kids(what kind of maniac does piv)

so maybe I am just trans idk

I think atp im unwilling to not take hrt at the very least

>>43264596
>Am I AGP?
whats even the point of asking this? would knowing whether you are AGP or not (whatever that means) change anything about your and your transition? no need to obsess over labels, no need to look for yet another reason to hate yourself, just do your thing if you feel like it

>>43264704
>>43264736
listen man, i know you like twinks, but some people genuinely have dysphoria

>>43264681
reddit spacing
>>43264653
>>>43264750
>sneed
shut the up

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no you are not agp you are a 110% trv-hvss-tvss OP.
now go troon, be happy and leave this hellsite. LEAVE THIS PLACE NOW

>>43264750
so what is a trutrans agp?

well if i was agp that would imply im some kind of autosexual perv

am I misunderstanding the labels

>>43264796
What's wrong with being autosexual?

>>43264761
Yes but we don't live in an ideal world. We live in a world where beauty and love are forever scarce and fleeting. It does sound to me like you're agp and not gay, which is a subject I'm not really qualified to speak on since I'm not agp.
Good luck.

>>43264796
Leave this place, don't let it poison your mind. AGP is not a thing in the real world.

>>43264804
its icky!!!! most people are not autosexual

>>43264783
What is dysphoria then? A male who thinks his body is somehow wrong because he's attracted to female bodies and his brain has misinterpreted that attraction. That's a mental disorder not a sexuality.

>>43264788
imo someone who surpresses their autosexuality enough to not be fucking weird
there's well functioning transbians/bi trans women, they're just hard to find, and usually have a combination of
>early transition or lucky enough to gigapass
>extraverted
>little other to no mental illnesses

>>43264824
that's agp
dysphoria can also come from hating masculine characteristics because they conflict with an internal neurological sex
note though: 'feeling like a woman' doesn't exist, but 'wanting to not be a man and rather having feminine characteristics' does

>>43264827
i suppress my autosexuality by taking estrogen and manmoding as e killed my sex drive

>>43264819
>its icky!!!!
that's an opinion
>>43264827
>weird
what's wrong with being weird?

>>43264824
>What is dysphoria then?
reframing your internalized homophobia as a gender problem rather than a sexuality issue

>>43264892
You're stupid. I wish I could swear at you.

>>43264596
Same here

>>43264852
>hating masculine characteristics
Because you are an autogynephile and hate masculine characteristics in yourself and others.
>an internal neurological sex
Iow some make-believe concept that is supposed to substitute for calling it a mental disorder. You do not have an internal neurological vagina living in your brain lol you're just nuts.
>note though: 'feeling like a woman' doesn't exist, but 'wanting to not be a man and rather having feminine characteristics' does
AGP..

>>43264892
No sorry. How you can still be this densely unaware surrounded by mountains of evidence that agp are not coping gays, idk

>>43264653
I fit into cluster A pretty much entirely except for being a lesbian what does this mean

>>43264922
>Iow some make-believe concept that is supposed to substitute for calling it a mental disorder.
son i'm crine
hormones in utero influence both physical characteristics and mental ones, this is well published science at this point

i agree, dysphoria is a mental disorder categorised by the distress of one's physical features not matching their mental sex. but sure, if not neurological sex, what causes dysphoria? and what's the treatment?

>>43264956
there's exceptions
what characteristics are you missing

>>43264653
i'm literally every a point but gynephillic

>>43264987
i'll believe it when i see it

>>43264960
100% of you all are agp and I do not for a second believe that agp begins in the womb. AGP begins to surface post-puberty as the afflicted find pornography materials that clue them into their fetish, which is the sole reason they want to become women at some point. Take OP for example; 18 years old, discovering that he wants to be a girl late in his development, whereas a gay boy is feminine and playing with dolls and trying to experiment with make-up by 4 or 5 years old, as well as feeling crushes towards other boys.

Agp are males fetishizing females for the psychological/sexual gratification it brings them. They are frauds.

>>43265018
then why do some people transition before/early in puberty?

>>43265018
Blanchard is a pedo fraud and you are pathetic for letting him poison your mind. AGP isn't real.

>>43265018
Then why did I already want to have girl parts when I was like 6 years old?

>>43265060
because gay children are mistreated from birth, they are seen as weaker less desirable children who can safely be neglected so parents can devote more resources to work and other children

the real reason ray blanchard is hated is because his terminology rejects the notion that sexual orientation can be changed by switching genders

hsts are seen as gay man, agps as straight men, trannies view the ability to cross sexual orientation boundaries as socially useful but rarely acknowledge this publicly/outright

>>43265049
Those are hsts like Kai Schreiber. AGP won't transition until late teens at the earliest, because it's driven by a sexual fetish that emerges long after puberty had set in.
>>43265051
Santa Claus isn't real and you don't see adults shitting themselves over it and trying to keep others from learning about Santa Claus.

Hmmmmmm...

>>43265060
AGP are first and foremost skinwalkers and with that distinction comes pathological lying.

>>43265072
Honestly, do the rest of us a favor and blow your brains out. Livestream it for me.

>>43265072
>Those are hsts like Kai Schreiber
are you the same guy as >>43265018
you just admitted hsts exists if you are? that's what i'm saying, OP is a hussy

>>43265094
>I can't dialogue or debate so im going to shit myself in anger like an ape
Wow so feminine sir.

>>43265115
Yes but none of you are hsts. Hsts are rare.

I was not aware you had to be hyperfem at age 5 to be considered hsts

desu I wouldve gotten super abused if I had acted like that as a little kid so that shit wasnt coming out regardless

>>43265117
You aren't trying to dialogue, you're just poisoning OP and the board with pseudoscientific nonsense. There's nothing to debate because nothing you are saying has any basis in reality. You deserve death.

>>43265146
You reject the studies that you dislike and will promote asinine autistic theories like a secret hidden neurological chamber containing your xx chromos. You rant and rave about agp being fake while being agp yourself. Fuck off autistic.

>>43265018
must everything follow such a strict biological timeline?

>>43265196
Post the studies you dumb fucking faggot. I've seen it all before. They either don't exist or don't say what you think they say because you're a scientifically illiterate ghoul. I haven't promoted any fucking theories ITT, I'm just calling out your brain damage for what it is.

>>43265200
When we're taking about mtf that transitioned for fetishistic reasons, yes. It's not only reasonable to assume that they wouldn't transition early, that's the only conclusion you can make considering sexual fetishes only develop after puberty especially a fetish as extreme as agp.

>>43265227
The original series of studies, spanning 16 years, that you will perform mental gymnastics to avoid. We don't need more studies do we? What we need is for agp men with autism and anger issues to be bannished off of the lgbt island.

>>43265127
sure
i painted my nails from ages 5-8, had persistent fantasies about having a vagina since i was 5, had crushes on boys all throughout school + fantasised about them and tried to make myself seem as feminine as possible to attract them (which didn't work because i wasn't open about it and assumed they'd find me out like in my fantasies and got me bullied for being a shy faggot), and exclusively watched gay porn since i found out porn existed
if you're also the guy banging on about how OP shouldn't transition and just be gay, know that i thought the exact same thing too but wasn't naturally cute enough to stave off dysphoria and get a boyfriend

>>43265085
I wasn't gay, I thought I liked girls until I got on HRT. Granted I never was with a girl but still.
>>43265085
All right then, wonder why most guys don't want to have a pussy despite having access to porn

>>43265072
>Kai
Im actually really jealous of her shes super pretty and got to transition super early(altho i am 18 so I dont have much to complain about with that)

grr I hate people with rich parents and love and familial support :< really grinds my gears kek

>>43265301
>I wasn't gay, I thought I liked girls until I got on HRT
lol, nta but way to prove his point by saying you have meta attraction
Jesus Christ, you didn't lie well enough apparently

>>43265281
>The original series of studies
No one avoids them, they've just moved on because he was wrong.

>>43265298
Ok you were gay, however thinking about vaginas at 5 years old is very abnormal. Gay boys many times that age would never lol. So who knows. Idk you or your story or if it's accurate, all I have to go on is my past experiences with trans women being extremely awful and leaving me with the impression that they're pathological liars with a syndrome for imitation.

>>43265325
I'm not arguing I'm not AGP, I am. I'm just saying that I was like this as long as I remember.
>>43265338
Most kids at the age of 5 know boys have a peepee and girls have a coochie,

>>43265331
If he was wrong you wouldn't care. There wouldn't be clear cut cases of abnormal men with AGP like Chris Chan, Jessica Yaniv, Stacie Marie Laughton the first trans mtf elected to Congress arrested for trying to have sex with a 4 year old girl. Agp is real and scary.

>>43265338
desu it sounds like youre a transphobe and just hate trans women rather than that youre an intellectual scholar who is fending off these ignorant 4chan blanchard haters or whatever with your magical AGP studies

just say you dont like trans people and leave it at that

>>43265338
vaginas are the secret to power, boys are invisible if they are gay, whole little girls are treated like princesses because of their vaginas, in an attempt to groom them into breeding

its not the vagina itself, its the social privilege it confers, and the subsequent anguish in your mind at your subconscious recognition of this - noticing how the girls around you are treated so much better than weak feminine boys are, who are left to rot like unwanted blemished grapes

>>43264596
The fetish stuff is stupid

The bottom line is, once you transition, you will be a girl, and by then it really will not matter why you're doing it, and nobody will care. If you have awful gender dysphoria, treat it.

>>43265346
I saw my first vagina at 6 and was repulsed lol. Already had a bf of sorts and we would kiss and cuddle. I wasn't thinking my body needed a vagina to make my bf more attracted to me. So idk. That's not the normal gay experience imo.

>>43265363
If he were right you wouldn't have to peddle your bullshit like a religion. The existence those people does not change the reality that Blanchard's typology is not broadly applicable and that trans women cannot be neatly categorized into two groups. You are moving the goalposts.

>>43265369
I have trans friends, mostly ftm but a few mtf I've respected. I don't like these particular basement creatures on this board, not trans people altogether.

>>43265374
You're fucking crazy bro. Whatever meds you need to take, do a double hit today.

>>43265338
>thinking about vaginas at 5 years old is very abnormal
genuinely unsure how much of it was just being curious about the differences between the sexes as a young kid and how much was a manifestation of dysphoria, but the thoughts of having one were there before i knew what sex actually was
>leaving me with the impression that they're pathological liars with a syndrome for imitation.
i don't actually blame you for this opinion. many agps have openly admitted to lying about having dysphoria younger than they actually did or finding signs where there aren't any ("i played as a girl character in my autistic malebrained videogames so i'm totally trans" (something not even cis women do all the time (seriously, just look at the community of women who make Arthur Morgan look as hot as possible))), which leaves a nasty stain on everyone else

>>43265402
gay men transition to escape brutal homophobia, trannies are anti-blanchard because he exposes the real social problem behind their empty "dysphoria" rhetoric

>>43265385
it is if you are gay and autistic
being autistic doesn't make you a woman

>>43265385
Yeah I wasn't like that, I guess I'm a straight jeep guy who likes men

>>43265423
>trannies are anti-blanchard because he exposes the real social problem behind their empty "dysphoria" rhetoric
Or maybe it's because I have firsthand experience being transgender and know it's plainly not representative of my experience. Easy to know a fraud's a fraud when they're trying to explain your experience.

>>43265436
people deliberately misrepresent their own experiences because others will destroy you socially if you dare tell the truth

most people don't believe gays are born that way, and will do anything to suppress homosexuals leading happy, actualized lives

>>43265447
>people deliberately misrepresent their own experiences because others will destroy you socially if you dare tell the truth
I don't have anything to hide or misrepresent about my experience. I will answer literally any questions you have in excruciating detail and plain honesty just to prove you wrong.

>>43265414
I don't trust anyone with AGP anymore as a general rule. A few years ago on this board they were openly proud of the fact that they had this sexual fetish for women. They would post in AGPgen sounding every bit heterosexual and male as they lusted over the pictures of young cis women they posted and made crude remarks about their bodies. And they still do this in lesgen. These are not women. These are not transgender people. These are straight men.

>>43265501
>they had this sexual fetish for women
>sexual fetish for women
This is called a sexual orientation, dear

>>43265501
I tried to live as a straight man for many years as a result of this rhetoric and I can confidently tell you that I am not in fact a straight man and attempting to live as such is catastrophically harmful to us. Don't peddle such nonsense.

>>43265501
>>43265571
But if I fantasize about a man filling my pussy, am I still a straight guy?

>>43265601
Agp meta rot.

>>43264653
lol I'm a mix of both
but I'm bi

>>43265601
you are a gay guy with internalized homophobia
women are not gay for only being attracted to men
if you were a woman, your attraction to men wouldn't be seen as sexually predatory and unwanted

>>43265789
Bi trannies are agp and not bisexual. A bisexual woman is attracted to male bodies and female bodies, and craves cock in her pussy. The typical tranny calling himself bi has found his loophole to once again confuse people as to his identity. He is not physically attracted to men but is autoattracted to the fantasy of being desired by men.

>>43265763
But why do I love my tits and ass and shit and dream about chopping my dick off to be smooth and nice

>>43265816
>everything I don't like is AGP
pathetic

>>43265816
>He is not physically attracted to men
I wish I wasn't, would stop my impossible crush on a guy

>>43265818
Agp rot. Hsts don't get SRS because they don't hate themselves or their body, rather they want to make themselves more attracted to men. You want to make yourself more attracted TO YOURSELF. That's the mental disorder.

>>43265818
because people with penises who sexually are attracted to men are reviled and treated as predators
people with vaginas who sexually are attracted to men are treated like goddesses
to your autistic mind, the idea of switching roles seems possible and ideal

>>43265827
Maybe you're the great outlier agp who is attracted to himself yet also attracted to a man.

>>43265833
I mean yeah, I didn't disagree.
>>43265838
Idk srsussies are pretty widely called disgusting axewounds, I still want one
>>43265845
Am I an outlier? I feel like lots of AGPs could be happy with a guy if they felt more female.

>>43265865
your fantasy is that a man wouldn't notice you being a gay man and would fuck you anyways if you have a vagina
its the quintessential homophobic troon fantasy

most gay men have scarred childhoods from realizing their male bodies prevent other males from being able to express sexual interest in them only

>>43265865
No, and this feels like being stuck in a spider web of autism where we keep going back to the idea that you can change your sexuality or that your innate sexual taste buds can be changed if you just look a certain way or get the treatment you desire from a partner. You will always be faking your desire for men. Most AGP give up on that at some point and start fucking cis women outright because they are straight men.

>>43265917
Honestly it would be hotter if a man noticed I'm a faggot with a pussy and raped me because of that
>>43265924
I'd rather date women too cuz it's easier, dating men long-term is kinda rare unfortunately. I guess I need to learn to stop faking this desire or something.

this thread is weird as fuck because how the fuck can a trans women not be agp by your definitions and constantly twisting interpretations?

like this thread went from agp blanchard bullshit to just mindlessly pathologizing anything a trans woman could possibly do say or like

you like women? agp pervert straight man

you like men? agp autosexual homophobe

get a grip and stop listening to weird cis people on the tranny board who have nothing better to do but chastise trans women

>>43264653
cluster a except six foot two so none of it matters and Ill always be an depressed gay man

>>43265996
what if I enjoy being bullied by men

>>43266019
gain self respect and get a nice boyfriend for yourself

also yall have completely forgot this post was supposed to be about OP now yall got in this stupid dogfight over what AGP even is and allat

>>43265816
strong muscular male bodies are hot lol as well as soft female bodies
I had sex with both men and women and I enjoy both I'm just not "topping"

>>43265978
That's really for the best. Maybe you can settle down and father children some day and live a happy life. You're not going to ever find your fantasy prince straight man who's going to somehow confuse you with a cis woman and bring you round to meet his straight friends and family.
>>43265996
I know who I'm talking to here. Is this thread made up of different posters than the ones that post in every general and every thread on the board?

>>43266120
Idc if he's straight or not, gay might be weird cuz not sure if he's ok with me on estrogen and stuff
Not interested in women so don't think that's gonna work out

>>43266096
You're a bisexual male bottom then. Idk how you bottom for women, or why, but I admit there are some things I just don't understand.

>>43266139
Good luck. This site is full of bugs and dropping out but we still managed to have a board fight lol. Hope you find a man you can be happy with.

>>43266096
>strong muscular male bodies
>i'm only attracted to literally the most masculine type of man but i'm totally not meta attracted or anything

>>43266141
I don't have and never really had any desire to use that thing or have it in something I even feel repulsed by that thought
there are other methods to satisfy each other than penetration you don't just have to top or bottom
well genetically I am male yes but I'm living as a woman and I'm passing so who cares about chromosomes?

>>43266176
>cis women attracted to muscular men
>perfectly ok
>trans women attracted to muscular men
> oh my fucking god you agp meta attracted autosexual homophobe!!!

grade a pathologization

cis people on this board are either gay, chasers, or intellectually disabled

>>43266176
I just pointed out two extremes like strong male and soft female body
but many types of men and women can be attractive and I'm more attracted to a persons vibe than their body

>>43266193
lol, people who are androphilic aren't just attracted to one body type
why do you think cis women call timothee chalamet hot? it's because they actually like men and not just a vessel of masculinity that makes them 'feel like a woman'

>>43266222
>"strong muscular male bodies are hot lol as well as soft female bodies"

tell me where in this sentence they say they are only attracted to this particular male body type kek

blanchards greatest soldiers over here lmaoooo

>>43266209
>>43266237
i guessed
>i like all male bodies but i would never EVER date a cis guy that doesn't fulfill my meta attraction
i have never heard of a bi trans woman dating anyone but women and extremely masculine men

also call me schizo, but no one says something they believe followed by 'lol'

>>43266258
yeah thats pretty schizo i wont lie "lol"

>i have never heard of a bi trans woman dating anyone but women and extremely masculine men

whipping out a lot of anecdotes in this thread huh

also im the OP lmao I dont know what I was expecting but this turned into a whole ass AGP derail thread

pretty funny kek

>>43266258
my ex bf wasn't hyper masculine
he was just a slim kinda soft guy actually

>>43266258
my ex bf wasn't hyper masculine
he is just a slim, introverted, kinda soft guy

>>43266299
'kinda'
so were you attracted to him for him or because he made you feel more feminine?

>>43266299
sooo did you actually like him for him or just because you felt more feminine by being wanted by a man?

>>43266371
jesus this framing is unbearable

everytime someone says anything to you you get all suspicious and act as if their innocuous statement is something else

the blanchardian defenders on this thread have made great use of mind reading(you said x but actually mean y!!!), sweeping generalizations, strawmanning, and irrelevant personal anecdotes to build their case here

>'kinda'
>so were you attracted to him for him or because he made you feel more feminine?

picking apart peoples sentences like this only makes you sound like a dweeb whos clearly looking for something that isn't there

maybe accept that you can't generalize an entire group of people and are wrong about some things? Old man Blanchard would be embarrassed by such weak argumentation.

"lol"

>>43266371
I was genuenly in love with him
but it didn't worked out because there were a lot of shit happening in my life