>Average MtF: Male is a prison from which society refuses to allow me escape>Average FtM: Female is what i'll always be even if I'm a manhow did this happen, what went wrong with the men?
>>43275505The penis envy mind broke the trans men
Trans men are menTrans women are men
>>432755052010s liberal feminism, where men are viewed as evil by default
Amab and afab dysphoria is very different. I would murder kittens to magically become indistinguishable from a cis woman. And this seems to be the default position with mtfsFor ftm's, dysphoria seems to hit in two ways. Hyper masc military army boots body armour grilling bbq ftm's. And "i will always have a special connection to wombynhood! :3" ftm's. One of these groups is louder than the other
>>43276732>Amab and afab dysphoria is very differentgee, ya think maybe because one group is made of men and the other women>I would murder kittens to magically become indistinguishable from a cis womanvery male way to express yourself, proving the point above
>>43275505people took the "women are wonderful" propaganda too seriously
>>43276886Cis women kill their own kids, but you should definitely kill yourself
>>43275505 (OP) #Clinging to afabness is a way for trans men to have power over and oppress trans women.
>>43275505females are indoctrinated into having a herd mentality amongst each other from a young age. many ftms struggle to fully sever themselves from that herd.
>>43278308It's this lol. Trans men don't use the oppressed afab card because they sincerely want to be female forever, they use the oppressed afab card because it's an easy way to weaponize their minority status against trans women. They only ever bring up their afabness when they want to tell women that they akshually don't know what they're talking about pertaining to misogyny
>>43276886>anger and the desire to kill is male why are u just saying generic terf talking points like you're so fucking stupid. women get mad and angry and express rage all the time. youre just a loser who spends more time simplifying the world for your dilapidated brain than actually understanding anything
>>43276732what do the first group of ftms gain by being vocal? if you're a masculine, normal man who doesn't want to be associated with the cuck status of most ftms, then you'd simply go stealth and never utter the word trans ever again
>>43275522I think its very rare for trans men to want to have a penis unless they are 100% straightThere are more cis men getting vagina surgeries than ftms that even wish they had a penis>>43275505I think its cause women hate men, so if a mtf wants to be a woman she cannot have any man in her or other women turn her away amd are afraid of her so mtf needs to abandon everything about being a male to be a woman. Ftms view women and men differently to mtfs.
>>43278607Trans men experience systemic misogyny (abortion bans etc) and this seems to make trans women jealous cause they cannot experience it.
>>43275602SPBP, testosterone is the hormone that actually does something.
>>43279432tbf the options for phallo are pretty underdeveloped
no amount of ftm cringe will keep me from one day having the poonchud bf of my dreams
>>43279443Poor quality ragebait, if you have half a brain you’ll know who face more systemic oppression of all kinds lol
>>43279467Its possible to transplant a penis from a male donor but it has not been done because doctors are scared it will scare organ donors away.Same reason why I think trans women will never have uterus transplants. There was alreasy a big controversy about giving a dead womans uterus to another cis woman. Many women dropped out of being organ donors because of that. Can you imagine how women would behave if magazines were screaming that males are stealing female reprodutive organs? Yep.. Lets hope that organ cloning becomes a thing soon
>>43279495What kind of systemic oppression do trans women experience that trans men do not?
>>43279432>I think its very rare for trans men to want to have a penis unless they are 100% straightHave u ever seen results of phallo? It's almost always fucking scary
>>43279499they could just list it as a separate donation option. where i live at least, there's the option to donate general vital organs, and then a couple separate options for specific organs, like the eyes. so you can put that you're willing to donate your heart liver etc but you don't want someone else to have your eyes. could easily list reproductive organs as another separate option.
>>43279564They look fine(ish), ftms just prefer to have their boypussy
>>43275505being a woman means you can do and be anything, pretty much. being a man means limitations; it means being defined by your utility, and judged more harshly for your needs. there are no positive traits exclusive to men anymore-- they can all be embodied by women. what mtfs are saying is, 'i don't want to be limited by masculinity'; what ftms are saying is... also 'i don't want to be limited by masculinity' lmao
>>43280025>being a woman means you can do and be anythingthe whole world is in the political hellscape it's currently in because people hated women too much to allow a woman to be the president of the united states.being a man is not great. being a woman is also not great. gendered society just kind of sucks in general. but to say women can "do and be anything" seems kind of egregious.
>>43275505AFAB is the privileged classAMABs can try to get some of that privilege by transitioning, though that doesn't always workPooners want to keep that privilege even if they cast away their femininity
>>43280082>people hated women too much to allow a woman to be the president of the united statesThat is not even close to what happened and as long as you idiots believe this we'll keep losing.
>>43280121Its exactly what has happened. People prefer to have a child rapist sex offender as a president vs a woman.
>>43280121Free Palestine said "kamala isnt perfect so just flatten the entire gaza strip, let Trump do what he wants"
>>43280149Furthermore this proves FP was an entirely astrotrufed movement.
>>43280121>woman who has spent decades in politics, worked and lived in the white house, is extremely well-prepared for the job of presidentvs.>man with no political experience or much knowledge of world issues who has spent his adult life investing in real estate, failing businesses, and being on reality televisionpeople will cry "the emails!!" but the real reason she lost is because after Black President, Woman President was just a step too far
>>43280169A cis woman has been the presidential nominee twice. No trans woman has ever been that close to being president. Amabs are more oppressed.
>>43275505this is true also>mtf makes effort to pass>mtf still gets misgendered outside>"this is hurtful but ultimately i understand that this is my issue, i didnt try hard enough to pass and so i didnt, i will internalize this and try to do better so this doesnt happen again"meanwhile>ftm makes NO effort to pass>ftm gets misgendered outside>"UGH YOU FUCKING BIGOT CANT YOU TELL IM A MAN! I JUST LIKE WEARING DRESSES AND FEMALE CLOTHES AND PINK AND KEEPING MY HAIR LONG AND NOT TAKING T AND NOT WEARING BINDERS AND WEARING A LOT OF GIRLY MAKEUP AND NOT VOICE TRAINING, I WILL FLAME YOU ON REDDIT FOR THIS"
>>43278308TRUTH NUKE
>>43279505lmfao least obvious bait reply
>>43280207>cis women are more respected in general society than trannies>therefore amabs are oppressedare you special needs
>>43280149she wasnt perfect? dog she wasnt even good, trump being in office or not had no impact on gaza because kamala would have been the same or worse, at least trump temporarily distracted israel from razing gaza to the ground
>>43280272afabs would rather have a demented child rapist sex offender as president than share a bathroom with a trans woman
>>43280135imo kamala lost because of retard democrat policy of not even pretending to be left wing anymore, they misread the room once again and thought that pandering to the right would be a good move, i pray that they will course correct and at least pretend to be left wing seeing the success of mamdani, but chances are that theyll just go further right
>>43280082I didn't say that being a woman is awesome though. It does suck. But the option to leave that gender role is way easier for women than for men. The fact is that while men enforce gender roles as much as women do, women do it more so because they grow too attached to the privileges, while men do it more so because they're afraid of the consequences. Again, that doesn't mean there aren't disadvantages associated with being a woman, but they're more intricately tied to the advantages that come with gender performance. When a man falls away from hender performance he's hit with a double whammy of losing all his privilege and retaining all the disadvantages, while women moreso can lose both the advantages and disadvantages.There is a reason that feminism has been around for a century and we still have makeup and the practice of leg shaving. Women make a decision as a group to keep these things because they believe it confers more of an advantage overall.You can attribute Hillary's loss to misogyny but I think that's overstating the case. In fact she also nearly won because she was a woman. And that's exactly the issue. Misogyny is there, but that's not all.
We also need to keep in mind both female candidates were partyline. They were not populists, which is where we're at as a voter base. If Bernie was a woman, would he have won, is more so the question, and one we can't answer
>>43280326so in other words you're admitting that women can't "do and be anything" while "being a man means limitations" and that both have their negatives?just double checking that you've decided to agree with me
>>43280242Mtf who does not pass: ugly, disgustingFtm who does not pass: cute little tomboy and lots of people are willing to call him a boy
>>43280282Only this is a bunch of lies, isnt it
I like how the thread devolved into a debates about gender of political figureheads as if it was the most important issue of all timeLook, if the prime minister of very macho Italy can be a woman then maybe the point lies elsewhere
>>43280307American "left wing" is already right wing by most standards and has always been.You people would choke if you met actual lefties from most countries and you would call them commies
>>43280326>There is a reason that feminism has been around for a century and we still have makeup and the practice of leg shavingThats because of capitalism. Leg shaving only became a thing when razor companies had to find new clients. Most of history women have been hairyIdk really care about what you say tho, anyone who pretends women are more priviledged than men is just plain wrong. Nobody is censoring male body parts from science, nobody is using males as incubators etcMen think not getting laid and not being able to be a pervert in public is opression
>>43280430Italy and America are entirely different culture's
>>43280434Democrats>we will suckle the teet of mega corporations respectfully Republicans>i just transferred 5 billion dollars of public money to my friend, and killed 500,000 children
>>43280464>Leg shaving only became a thing when razor companies had to find new clients. Most of history women have been hairyThis is so fucking false holy shit.Ancient Egyptians, Greeks and Romans used to pluck hair from their bodies, both male and female. They all agreed a smooth, hairless body looked better, male or female. It was seen as a major talking point when Emperor Hadrian sported a beard, it just wasnt the done thing
>>43280510Woah three countris has nobles who did it!
>>43280565This may shock you, but documented history is hard to come by.Most writing has been lost to the ages. But your claim is false, and rather than reflecting, you post snarky nonsense. You are the hypotheosis of modern ignorance
>>43280611Its not tho. No normal average women use to shave 120 years ago. Go read history of the everyday gal if you don't believe me. Full bush was completely normal just few decades ago
>>43280434yeah i completely agree thats why im saying they blundered by not even pretending to be left wing
>>43280510yeah washing your mouth with piss was also very big in ancient rome and greece doesnt mean we didnt stop doing it
>>43276732I'd rather kill myself than hurt an animal but then again maybe that's why I'm not moiding on lechan
>>43281173Sorry, but hairy vagina is something thats always been a thing, and prostitutes would shave, then use a vagina wig, as it was cleaner. That doesnt mean that historically women, or men, have preferred hair. It depends on the historical context. But the idea that a hairless body being attractive is NOT a result of razor companies, it has existed in history for thousands of years and will exist long after you are dead
>>43281465I pass, you dont, my opinion is worth more than yours.I can have as many moid interests as i want, im very pretty, youre not. I can sleep with straight cis men and they never know, can you? No lol
>>43281438HiWhat you said illustrates that self care is as old as human history. People have been concerned about their appearance and health for a very long time. It isnt some capitalist plot, all capitalism has done, is what it has always done, exploit existing desires.People in antiquity didnt have access to modern chemicals we have no, but they did have access to herbal rememdies which are still in use to this very day. They also understood that running water was safe to drink and stagnant water was unsafe to drink, a lesson that was only very recently learnt in the West
>>43281527>I pass, you dont, my opinion is worth more than yours.>I can have as many moid interests as i want, im very pretty, youre not. I can sleep with straight cis men and they never know, can you? No lolPeak moiding lol. But sure keep being a violent monkey, "passoid" that would kill kittens to pass (?) and who has no idea what i look like
>>43281540yes but washing their mouthes with piss had a use, shaving didnt, thats why it was lost for so long while dental hygene in one form or another stayed, you can abstract anything to muddy the water and make it seem like it was always around but that doesnt change the fact that a lot of self care IS a capitalist ploy
>>43281707>and who has no idea what i look likeIf you passed, you wouldve countered, hows the weather up there? Must be difficult being 6'2. Do you think one day someone might take you seriously?
>>43281851Capitalism is around 500 years old.Settled civilization around 5550 years old.Homo sapiens as hunter-gatherers around 300,000 years old.Capitalism is a blink and you'll miss it form of governance. The desire for hairless bodies predates capitalism, and it will extend beyond it
>>43282487its a blink and you'll miss it form of governance yet its still killing the entire planet as a whole and all life that inhabits it, society can experience permanent cultural changes within less than a decade, your argument is completely incoherent if you stop to think for 5 seconds. yes people might have independently developed a trend to shave their bodies but those are cultural blips in history that developed independently of eachother. for the vast majority of the time people did not shave themselves, as much as you want to appeal to history the fact of the matter is that the modern cultural perception of shaving as it stands was entirely a manufactured need by capitalism, and that is most obvious when you look at how it spread. capitalism is very much able to manufacture need and just because you personally like shaving doesnt mean it isnt one of said manufactured needs
>>43282638For the vast majority of time people drank from wells and died of preventable diseases Cleanliness is next to godliness. No coincidence every society that removed hair was advanced, and the barbarians were hairy
>>43282638Also, the billionairws are making the planet uninhabitable for humanity. But once humans disappear, another species will rise.The insects may make a come back, or rodents will evolve. We came from small mammals, then we became the great apes. Theres a sci fi story, about the planet being made uninhabitable by pollution, so all the billionaires get into a space ship and fly away. 400 years later they return to scan earth, expecting it to be desolate. Instead its teeming with life, and everyone lifes in harmony with nature and the animals. Probably because they shaved their bodies
>>43282691being hairless is not actually linked to cleanliness thats a myth peddled by guess who its the fucking shaving companies
>>43282868>The association between hairlessness and cleanliness began in ancient civilizations, most notably in Ancient Egypt (around 3000 B.C.), where both men and women removed body hair to maintain a sense of purity and cleanliness, viewing hair as a sign of being "uncivilizedWow, someone should studt how razor companies stayed in business for 5000 years.
>>43282926oh my god you are fucking retarded again just because that used to be the case for supersticious reasons does not mean anything because that standard clearly got dropped, modern day we no longer had that standard or that superstition until razor companies brought it back harder than ever retard. theres so many other standards that we dont hold anymore because it was obvious superstition bullshit yet you still continue to stick your head up your own ass because you like this one beauty standard
>>43282456I don't speak schizo sorry
>>43278308doing the most malebrained thing (opressing women) in the most annoying femalebrained way possible, i wish trans women were more mean to em-t. poon
>>43279443if youre geniuenly so worried about abortion bans put the PIV down and the enema up
>>43275505All genders cope with having a small or no penis in their own ways, you can be any gender but you will always want a big dick
>>43279786they're decent 3 surgeries in tho, thats richshit territory, ill stick to the humble strap
>>43284074is it really about a big dick or about power? you know what they say, everything is about sex except sex, sex is about power
>>43282487bro capitalism has been our MO for all of recorded history. as soon as a man can own a goat, that's capitalism
