I hate the Demiurge

i think he's a real meany but don't tell him that or i'll burn in hell

God isn't real, we're just slightly defective biological automatons experiencing an incomprehensibly thin slice of a completely predetermined universe, like Marionettes straying in the wind.

>>43279229
Cause God is evil and doesn't even exist cause he is too much of a pussy to confront the bullshit he has made

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god isn't real
ghosts, ghouls and goblins aren't real
transwomen are males
males that have sex with males are homosexuals
it is impossible for a transwoman to get a straight cisboyfriend
yearning for impossible scenarios is causing cognitive dissonance and impacting your subjective comprehension of life

>>43279252
bro is part of the tapestry of god like ‘ermm i dont even exist actually’ bro’s wilin

>>43279259
I really hate how people redefine god from being a superintelligence that exists, atleast partially, outside of the material universe, into some hippy new age "god is just everything bro..." (I. e god is just the just material universe)

those two ideas of god are completely different from each other. They need different words, especially in the English language where the former interpretation is far more prevalent.

>>43279273
your jewish personal anthropomorphic god gobbledygook makes zero sense and is a quarter step more advanced than tribal ancestor totem worship

>>43279362
Yeah I agree, hence why I'm a materialist + computationalist + super determinist

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>>43279480
>the label game
I fucking hate the label game.
Neither of you girls are really helping me here. I just want to know what I am being made to suffer? What the point to all of this? What is my place?

>>43279503
if you ask me, the computationalist super determinist, then I believe that your suffering is utterly meaningless and "accidental", your consciousness just happens to be localized to a bundle of neurons that are unhappy with they are observing, this all happened with no morality or meaning or intention attached to it. You're just in the wrong place at the wrong time on a cosmic scale

My solution? Treat your brain like a poorly maintained machine and maintain it. Lay out in the sun, clean your room, go exercise, lay off the drugs and booze and kiss someone you love.

>>43279503
god is a fundamental substance. its will, if it even has one, is largely inscrutable as it transcends our universe and is therefore not able to be subjected to empirical investigation. we can (probably) infer that it has zero regard for life as life emerges late into the evolution of the universe and will exist in a vanishingly small window. If there is any purpose to our universe it is likely as a black hole simulator as the black hole era of the universe will be the dominant feature. you are meaningless dust and this existence wasn't made for you, if it was intelligently made at all.

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>>43279630
>useless answers from the theologically ignorant and the spiritually bereft
I guess I'll just be sad then

>>43279648
okay god told some jewish peasants that you are a faggot and faggots are demonic then he sent a bunch of angels down to lazer beam the eyes out of faggots heads so we would understand faggotry is bad and you are a faggot and thats bad so you life is bad but gods and okay sort of guy so he agreed to stop lazer beaming the eyes out of faggots heads in the interim but he is still going to torture you for infinity years because he is good and your bad because your faggot also he made you a faggot and planned the course of your life which is to be a faggot and be tortured forever this is all true and definitely happened

>>43279648
you would prefer an answer along the lines of "god gives his silliest battles to his funniest clowns"?

>>43279648
you are miserable because you are trying to pull levers that do not exist, although I will not deny that aimless button mashing might one day lead you to happiness as it has done for plenty of other schizos

>>43279725
they stopped making games with menu input cheat codes a long, long time ago

>>43279734
stop looking for cheat codes, start trying to figure out how to beat each level properly.

>>43279749
but i just bought le cheatcode book from le gamestop that tells me how to use heccin godmode in "gta: vice city." you're telling me that wasn't worth the $250 i paid for the illuminated copy?

>>43279273
>has no knowledge of the dharmic conception of the universe which is thousands of years older than the abrahmaic one

>>43279503
your purpose in life is to align with the will of the absolute through self surrender. those who know, know.

>>43279783
those who mow: :skull:

>>43279258
trvkenvke

>>43279503
the answers don't matter, won't make you happier, and asking is rhetorical. Why are you asking these questions?

>>43279258
I see no lie

>>43279503
>I just want to know what I am being made to suffer? What the point to all of this? What is my place?
n/a

>>43279229
Because we're so cool that we need bs handicaps so people don't complain for a balance update

>>43279252
society agrees to shun redditorism for the plague it is in nearly all it's forms but this autistic bullshit gets a pass. why?
>erm le delusion!!
irrelevant, walking up to people and going nuh uh nuh uh over the most random shit and communicating it like a redditor is retard behaviour

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>>43279523
can we fucking kill this guy please? this guy has to fucking die

>>43279672
unironically yes

I think Taoism is the best belief system
In my opinion though, nothing you do matters because everything always rearranges to match your fate. nothing is objectively true and everything changes as soon as you define it one way. reality is like trying to catch a soap bar that keeps slipping out of your hands. human life seems to be based entirely on luck and fate, which may be determined before you were born. but i also think there really is "freedom" or possibility of randomness and things to happen naturally and not in a pre-determined way and people can exist simply because their parents happened to create them and they didnt "choose" to be born before being born.
i think the purpose of our lives is development for something after this life. someone on /x/ also put it really well in my opinion, they said "You wouldn't be what you eventually will be without all of the horrors and delights." my Chinese friend told me that in their traditional beliefs we, humans, reside in the lower realms, and gods reside in the higher realms, and gods cant interact with us because there is a veil between our realms, we are insulated from their realm. She also told me that they believe that you can ascend to the higher realms and when you do, it's a one way ticket, you cant ever go back down. But we have creative freedom while we are down here.
I also had a dream where a voice told me "Some people choose to be tortured in this life so that they have an advantage in the afterlife."
I think reality is different for everyone individually but the way Taoism describes how change works is a universal rule. They also mention emptiness / potential but i dont know enough about it, but its an important concept.

>>43279774
i grew up in a Hindu cult and dharmic religions believe that victims deserve their suffering because of hypothetical misdeeds from a hypothetical past life, and also some of their gods can and will drastically affect your life if you worship them. I heard that Tantric gurus say that if you worship Krishna that he may cause you lots of misfortune to get you to detatch from the material, and that if you worship Radha it can be dangerous because she can make her devotees ugly because she is jealous.
You guys who aren't familiar with Indian spirituality will probably think it's funny but you dont know what youre getting into. These beings are real and can mess up your life severely. My life completely fell apart when i left their religion and I've had a seriously dark experience in nightmare regarding one of them before.
My Mom also got tons of predictive dreams that came true and stuff when she started doing transcendental meditation as taught by an Indian guru before getting indoctrinated into the cult i grew up in. Lots of people have gone insane from certain practices / types of meditation related to Indian spirituality. I remember a Vajrayana Buddhist teacher talking about a monk at his monastery who went insane because something happened while he was meditating that messed up the winds in his body, and he never behaved the same after that. I dont believe in Buddhism though (i used to) and their end goal is literal annihilation of one's own existence.
I hate religion honestly. Like someone on /x/ said we're spiritually "blinded and deafened" and thrown into this horrible world unable to escape. The worst part is that evil spirits and black magic actually are real and can affect you so you need to know how to protect yourself, and it's hard to do that if you don't follow an organized religion.

>>43279229
god isn't real. it's hard for you because society is a system that has evolved to self-propagate, and by being trans you threaten that system so those who are thralls of it will attack you.

>>43283028
also sorry i dont want to discourage anyone studying spirituality when i said "you dont know what youre getting into". i just get triggered by Indian religion cause i have a lot of severe trauma regarding it. i think they are right about some stuff though like reincarnation (i dont think its exactly the same as they say though and the way the process happens varies) and how your state of being/emotion/mind at the time of death influences where you go when you die. I've noticed it influences what my dreams are like when i go to sleep.

>>43279648
i think we are learning to become gods progressively through experience understanding how reality and existence work.

>>43282882
>"Some people choose to be tortured in this life so that they have an advantage in the afterlife."
sounds like just world fallacy:(

>>43283348
well it was the only direct experience I've had like that and it came to me during a time a few months ago when i was deeply suicidal and suffering more than ever before in recent times. around that same time i also woke up halfway while sleeping once and somehow realized i was out of my body and i immediately started flying away and trying to run away from my body, but something put me back into my body in 1-2 seconds. it was actually shocking to feel what it's like to be out of my body.

>>43283618
sleep paralysis

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>>43282854
>my le reddit!!!
2016 called

>>43279523
i agree with basically everything you've said but i would challenge you on the idea that suffering is meaningless. you feel it, no? that is an utterly unique quality in an otherwise dead universe. i agree you can't assign value or meaning to something in an objective way, but if something ever were to be definitionally 'bad' i think it would be suffering. we all know it, and by its very nature we hate it. i'm not fully satisfied with my thinking on it yet, and i feel like i'm still a ways away from 'getting' it, but i've come to think there's something very unique there. same goes for pleasure. i hope one day we can understand enough to develop a true naturalistic understanding of consciousness.

>>43282854
>I WANT TO KILL YOU BECAUSE YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN MY HIPPY NONSENSE

hahahahhahahahahahaha

why does "redditism" bother you so much lmao?

>>43279258
Boooooorrrring
>>43279229
You had too much good karma in a previous life

Cheat, lie, steal, do baneful lower magick, god (Yaldabaoth) is an oppressive monster, have El bestow blessings from that which is hornless and use black magick <3 my life only got better once ritualism entered it but you’ll have to sink lower first

>>43286584
Not hornless, lame af auto correct, bornless is what it meant to say

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>>43287198
JFC link the essay not the fucking headline retard.

>>43286584
>just be edgy
no thanks, I'm an adult.

>>43279258
TRVKE NVKEM
HE'S RETVRNED

>>43287211
Nothing edgy about it, I’m soft and cuddly, I’m literally wearing bunny themed clothing lol edginess is the unfortunate image people project when you work outside the box

>>43279273
Physical reality is a reflection of metaphysical reality. Everything is God the way a reflection is what's reflected.

>>43287315
What exactly do you mean by that? The reality we perceive "tables", "story arcs", "money" are just a projection of our human psyche onto the material plane? Or do you mean something else?

I just fail to see why "God" is needed to describe things that seem relatively mundane to me.

>>43282854
This is the most pathetic thing I've ever read in my entire life.

>>43287405
No. God created to experience God. We are the experience.
I'm sorry life is mundane for you.

>>43287508
>No. God created to experience God. We are the experience.
I've heard people say this so many times but I never understand why anyone would believe that to be true. Why do you believe that? I hate to use the ol' cliche but that sounds like an unfalsifiable hypothesis to me. Furthermore it requires an absolutely gigantic set of assumptions for this that to be true

You probably don't believe that dogs can secretly fly when humans are not looking, because there's no reason to think that based on what we collectively know. There's no reason to think that "God created to experience God. We are the experience." either, so why do you think that?

>I'm sorry life is mundane for you.
Plenty of things in life fascinate me. I just don't think there's anything for which God would simplest answer.

>>43287568
not that anon, but to explain in simplistic terms, the "self" is a construct, a neurological illusion that prevents us from seeing all of us, all of life, all of existence, as a unified entity (god).

we are really god, experiencing god.

in this vein, the humans who have been able to see beyond the illusion of the self (buddha, jesus, unnamed saints etc.) experience life in a completely unclouded way. the rest of as have our attachments and delusions, and we never experience the staggering awesomeness of life from moment to moment because of it

>>43287703
Yeah I've heard people describe this concept of "unity and interconnectedness" before, but I don't accept it.

"Self" to me isn't a construct, it's backed by the fact that my senses are limited to my central nervous system.

I understand that I exist in a larger ecosystem called the universe that contains everything, but I just don't understand why I should consider my neighbour as being part of me, much less why I should consider an astroid in another galaxy as being part of me. Sure, because I share a ecosystem with them, things that happen to other entities may affect me via knock-on effects, but that doesn't mean they're "me", it just means that we share an environment.

Is this a purely philosophical take or do you that this unity and interconnectedness is backed by superstitious phenomena too?

>>43287828
your senses are limited, true, but what's being referred to is the "me" that has a deceptive quality of being in control, of being an independent little person in your head that's pulling the strings. the "thoughts" give the illusion of being in the driver's seat. if you meditate enough you will observe this is not so. this is what is meant by the illusory "self".

the interconnectedness is experienced across most of the popular religions via their mystical schools (e.g. sufism for muslims). the thing is "you" can't really control how it happens, becaue you have to let go of the feeling of "you" being in control in the first place. drugs can give some people a tiny glimpse but it's not the full picture.

if this subject truly interests you, visit the streamentry sub on reddit, it has a western buddhist approach to awakening (i realize this is a loaded term) without any of the religious elements that are objectionable to athiests.

>>43287828
oh, and just to be clear, the purpose of seeing through the self-illusion is ultimately just to have a blast with life, no matter what happens to us. people often liken it to a state of being blissed out, which is nice also kind of tepid sounding. it's more like life becomes deliciously rich and peaceful at the same time.

>>43287703
you are correct that the self is an illusion but it's not because we're all connected through invisible voodoo magic, it's just that all there really are are moments of conscious experience in spacetime, and you in the present are just as distinct from you in the past or future as you are from another person. the unclouded experience you speak of is what happens when you see through the delusions natural selection has instilled in you to make you pass on the genes of the organism you inhabit, the self being one of several (time, justice, and free will also come to mind). if you want to claim we're connected through invisible voodoo magic you have to prove the existence of invisible voodoo magic which will never happen because it's not real.