All I know is my physical reality. I've been born a man, and I've always felt that my physicality supercedes my identity. That's why I always gave my best to just make due with the cards I've been dealt.Like, yeah, I think it's sad that I've been born a man, even if I know that it's not rational. I've no good reason for me to dislike being a man, as I've always identified with it and managed to find ways to enjoy it. Despite that, I still sometimes wonder what could've been, but I've never felt like I was anything but a man.I've read so many accounts of trans people who talk about having always known they've always felt wrong in their body, that they somehow always identified or desired to be the other sex, or even just about feeling dysphoric since they were little, but I fail to wrap my head around how one could even know such a thing about themselves.
>>43280508>I've read so many accounts of trans people who talk about having always known they've always felt wrong in their body, that they somehow always identified or desired to be the other sex, or even just about feeling dysphoric since they were little, but I fail to wrap my head around how one could even know such a thing about themselves.You can perceive your body, right? It's literally the same thing but with an added sense of wrongness.
>>43280542I get that, but I what I don't understand is how one can know one's body feels wrong, if it's the only body one has ever inhabited. I've no point of reference to be able to differentiate right from wrong. My body just is, and I never really payed it any mind cause I felt like it was pointless. Kinda like how there's no point in crying over spilled milk
>>43280508>I've read so many accounts of trans people who talk about having always known they've always felt wrong in their body, that they somehow always identified or desired to be the other sex, or even just about feeling dysphoric since they were little, but I fail to wrap my head around how one could even know such a thing about themselves.Can you at least understand them wanting/not wanting a certain trait/traits?
>>43280587they don't know, it's just a feeling.obviously they can't really know without having had a female body which is impossible.you can only become a more and more accurate imitation of what you understand a woman to be from your genetically male perspective
Well, yeah, I can understand that. It would be pretty weird not to be able to.What I don't understand, and I do feel quite retarded because of it, is how such a desire forms. I'm not trying to say "Why aren't you just satisfied with what you have?”, but much rather that even the concept of desiring any type of body is alien to me. To me, my body is just a vessel, and I'm glad it's functional and healthy, but I never understood how people actually identify with their body on emotional levels which I seemingly lack
>>43280780Forgot to qoute >>43280703
>>43280780People who thought they were another gender at an early age (and it isn't just a child pkaying pretend) are extremely rare. Most modern transpeople are influenced by trauma, porn/fetish, OCD, or a deep hatred of their gender due to emotional or physical abuse. If you were raised by a mother who hated men, felt men were all repulsive and the society around you seemed to echo that, you could very well start to hate your own body and believe transition was the only way out of feeling ongoing psychic pain, and conversely, feel more loved the more you looked like a woman.
>>43280780>>43280786Well, unfortunately I have no idea where that phenomenon comes from. To me it seems like half of all people identify with their bodies and half don't, but maybe I haven't asked enough people. Fees like being the other half would be more peaceful.
>>43280587>Kinda like how there's no point in crying over spilled milkNonsense statement why tf wouldnt I cry over that? Milk is expensive & delicious & now I gotta clean up a mess instead of drinking yummy yummy milkIdiot
>>43280825Cissoids bend over backwards with insane theories trying to convince themselves trans people don't actually exist. Get a hobby.
>>43280780sounds like dysphoria -> dissociation but yeah i was a similar way my body was just my body but i wanted it to look a different way. and with hormones and surgery it looks and feels like how i wanted it to
>>43280876>Fees like being the other half would be more peacefulI often feel like that too, but I've always chalked it up to just baseless envy. I know one's happiness doesn't depend on what body one has
>>43280927There's no point in crying over spilled because crying won't unspill it. That's at least the argument behind it, although I think your point is just as valid
>>43280508I’m a cis dude and happy to be one- I actively like my body. I could imagine being a woman too though- seems like it could be a lot of fun. Never felt gender dysphoria firsthand, but I don’t see any reason to doubt its something trans people experience. They go to pretty extreme lengths to try and deal with it. Seems easier to just take trans people at their word about what their lived experiences are like.
>>43280933>"insane theories">anyone with eyes can see how many larpers exceed people with genuine dysphoria
>>43281155>muh perceptionCome back with data. Human perception is frail and pathetic. It regularly deceives us with its biases.
>>43281164>everybody else is delusional, not the man thinking lesbian fetish makes him a woman!
>>43281028That's actually kinda my dilemma. I don't feel like I qualify to be trans, because I'm capable of understanding in what ways I actually have a nice body, even if I don't feel any intrinsic connection to it. Can I truly say that I actively like my body? No. Can I say I actively hate my body? Also no. I do kinda wish I could do the latter, but I can't even imagine how
>>43281205If you're going to shit up the board, at least be original. Chuds really aren't sending their best these days. I want to be called slurs I haven't even heard of yet.
>>43281239Hmm… I guess you could try cross dressing and see if that sparks anything. I don’t really understand why you’re actively trying to see if you’re trans if you don’t have strong internal feelings about your gender pushing you one way or another though. It’s not exactly an easy lifestyle with lots of widespread social support. Are you just bored or something?
hii repper-kun
>>43281479>Are you just bored or something?I'm very unhappy, and I feel very pathetic for it, since I definitely have no reason to be. Materially, I have nothing to worry about, and from an outsiders perspective there should be nothing in my way to be happy. Although, unfortunately, I'm more or less unable to feel anything but constant dread, despair, and a complete lack of any will to live. I feel like I completely lack the ability to feel engaged in my own life, and no matter what I do, be it hanging out with friends, visiting somewhere beautiful, or seeing the fruits of my labor, it doesn't do make me enjoy my existence in the slightest. It's like I'm living a strangers life, who I couldn't care about less.I guess this can be just regular depression, but I've tried so many different things to feel more tethered to myself, and unfortunately nothing worked. That's mostly the reason why I've even ended up here asking such questions. To me, it's simply inconceivable that anything could change for the better, but I rationally know that isn't the case, as I've been shown times and times again by the people who surround me. Tbqh, I actually have very little motivation to improve anything, but I know that my current mental state will lead to me living a very miserable and short life, which is fine by me, but if possible, I'd rather not hurt the people around me by following such a path. I'd also like to be able to say that I gave it my best before fully giving up.I have little to no faith that transitioning is right for me, but I'm at such a point where I feel like I have to consider everything, and something I know for certain is that being a man will forever feel like I got the short end of the stick
>>43281974Huh yeah you’re definitely depressed whatever else is going on. Have you met with a therapist or anything like that?>something I know for certain is that being a man will forever feel like I got the short end of the stickOkay so it does sound like you have some feelings about your gender. Really, why don’t you try cross dressing at home and see if you feel any particular way about it. Hell maybe even just try thinking of yourself as a woman for a week. Use female pronouns in your head, see if something clicks.
>>43282221I did meet with a therapist and am currently on antidepressants, but they could just as well be sugar pills. I'm still hoping, even if it's hard to believe, that further appointment with my therapist will help me unravel my feelings.I've also tried everything you suggested when it comes to experimenting with gender, and unfortunately nothing clicked. Crossdressing just made me more painfully aware that I am a man, and thinking of myself as a woman is basically impossible, as I cannot ignore my physical reality.
>>43281241agps have ruined any semblance of tranners seeming normal. it was a mistake to accept them.sorry you're mad about it.
>>43282726Blanchard was a fraud and AGP isn't real.
>>43282739your mantra is as silly as "trans rights are human rights."the fact you refuse to believe the fetish exists makes you either disingenuous or retarded.
>>43282817Even if agp is real, dogpiling on agp troons just makes you a bootlicker for the cisoids who want us dead
>>43282817It's a made up category and there is no real data supporting otherwise.
>>43280508bump?
