>>43281955
yeah just crossdress and go to the gym fatty

Can you really regret it if you always feel sexy?

>>43281961
I'm actually underweight but I do need to do cardio regardless

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>>43281955
Transitioning isn't pressing the magic button, it's slow and gradual, you can just stop whenever you want

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this guy transitioned for a fetish and seems to be doing alright all things considered

If you turn into a hot passoid would you really get reverse dysphoria though? It seems to me that's only a thing when you're a hon

>>43281993
well i'm 5'7" 116lb, petite frame, andro face and already decent at voicetraining. I might eventually get ffs or other things regardless but I think I have a decent shot.

>>43281955
try hrt for a month, stop if you don't like it

>>43282028
would that be enough? I feel like me taking a pill for a month won't really give me a sense of what womanhood feels like

>>43282045
Do injectios, jump in with both feet. You will start experiencing brain changes in 4-6 weeks

>>43282076
>>43282045
Don't do injections if you're unsure or you'll fuck up your endocrine system by hopping on and off

>>43282076
>>43282178
honscience

I guess I'm just confused because I've been aroused by this since puberty (20s now) but never felt dysphoria at all

>>43282226
Not an argument

>>43282447
You said you're tiny and androgynous, what would you feel dysphoric about? Do you have any body hair? Facial hair?

>>43282784
oh I have body and facial hair, but I know it can be removed with time. I was more saying that I've never felt like a "woman in the wrong body" or the mental anguish that comes with that feeling. or whatever other dysphoric feelings trans women get. my whole life I've felt like a guy, just one who is extremely and only turned on by changing genders and trans women by proxy.

>>43282838
Don't worry, there are many of us who feel the same. It's just confusing.

>>43282838
>oh I have body and facial hair
So, do you feel fine with those? Or do you feel ugly for having body hair, for example?

>>43282861
No, because I just think of it as my male self, which is my natural and comfortable state. Dudes have body hair, no biggie. like I said, the desire to transition is from arousal.

>>43282850
I'll give a brief example to show how bad it is.
I once decided to grow my nails out, out of curiosity. they eventually started to look so nice that it would give an erection just looking at them. and wouldn't being turned on all the time ruin my tuck?

>>43283074
They say E calms the sexuality down.

>>43283092
I hope so, because this perversion runs so deep the thought of getting SRS makes me horny. including the meta-attraction from imagining myself getting fucked in the pussy

>>43282838
thats exactly how I felt. transition has been so worth it. i'm discovering the farther I go, the closer my 'fetishes' seem to align with what is considered normal cisfem desires and sexuality.

the last bit is getting SRS. being trapped as a dickless bottom is going to be the thrill of a lifetime

>>43283622
may I ask how long you've been transitioning, and what procedures you've had done? I want to look forward at a reasonable transition timeline and we seem to share the same experience.

Reverse dysphoria is a myth. You can't change my mind.
I trooned solely for the fetish. Technically I'm a guy who had ffs(2015), ba(2017) and srs(2019), is legally female and uses she/her pronouns. There have been some issues, but "reverse dysphoria" hasn't been one of them. And I'm 13 years on hrt and 7 years post op.
You may not be like me. So the best thing to do is try things out and leave off ramps every step of the way.
Start HRT and date men. See how that makes you feel. Cycle prog and see if you like it. Get ffs. After each of these it's perfectly safe to stop (cute post ffs face still looks good on a man too, don't let this board brainworm you otherwise). If you still like it, then go forward with BA. I went straight for srs but orchi as intermediary step can also be an option just in case you're still unsure.
>>43283622
Yep, pretty much. I still am a fetishist but now it's no longer weird. It's just normal cisf stuff.
>being trapped as a dickless bottom is going to be the thrill of a lifetime
Totally worth it if you're androphilic and mef/gigasubmissive. Not so much if you're not.

>>43284092
one thing I definitely would need to focus on is changing how I act socially, I give off pure moid vibes and am naturally pretty dominant in a social setting

>>43284271
>pretty dominant
That's the hardest to change without hrt.
Still, neuroplasticity is real. Just go with gradual stuff: change how you walk; look into the language you use and try for softer language to transmit the same thing; look closer to the mannerisms of women you admire and emulate that. It takes a while, but if you're disciplined and consistent, it eventually becomes second nature and then first nature.
If your native tongue is a gendered one, start referring to yourself in the feminine. First in your internal monologue and then slowly casually in public too.
You can do most of this without making a fuss about it. I was still gay coping when I was heavily invested into feminizing my behaviors.

>>43284353
right now I see guys firmly in the "friend/bro" category. women are objects of pursuit. were I to start this transition i'd have to totally reorient my perspective with regard to relationships.
my personality - I think I could naturally become more and more submissive as I become more and more of a woman.

>>43284421
>i'd have to totally reorient my perspective with regard to relationships
You don't *have to* (I mean transbians exist) but it's usually a good idea if you do, especially if you do it for the fetish. Btw, which fetish in particular? What is your ideal goal?
>I see guys firmly in the "friend/bro" category
Are you sexually attracted to men at all? Either way, you can work to increase your androphilia. Socialize with men in sexualized contexts, consume gay/tranny porn, change your masturbation habits. Basically hack your brain using arousal. It took me a year but it worked. Then I got on to having sex with men.
Discipline is key. Ironically, this is a very malebrained project, kek.
>I think I could naturally become more and more submissive as I become more and more of a woman
While 95%+ of women are submissive, not all submissive people are women.
Becoming more submissive is a necessary but not a sufficient condition. Becoming more fembrained requires actively socializing with women with the purpose of emulating and integrating into the feminine consensus.
I see other women as friend, enemy or object of envy. That's what you should aim for if you want to soulpass and really be a woman.

>>43282838
>>43283242
nta
>the thought of getting SRS makes me horny. including the meta-attraction from imagining myself getting fucked in the pussy
Sounds MEF to me.
From the other side, I say this: For some, this calms down once you're done. Lots of mefy girls just go on and live like normal women for the most part.
And then for some (like me) MEF doesn't go away but now it can easily be managed. To put it bluntly, I need to be fucked. If my guy doesn't bone me for a week or two, I go crazy. Luckily he is a horny perv too so we fit just fine.
Point being: if the fetish is strong enough, medical and physical transition doesn't calm it down, but simply makes it far easier and more pleasant to manage it.
As post op, nobody has to know or see how horny I am. And it's far more acceptable to be submissive and kinda sexy as socially female. These two help a lot with maintaining an otherwise functional life, decent jobs and day to day living.
The advent of PPT has also made srs a far more viable option than in the past.

>>43284554
my brother in christ. you are a dickless man with bolt ons

>>43284856
I am not your brother in christ. Normal people do not subscribe to jewish ideologies based on third rate stories about a jew on a stick.
>you are a dickless man
Yes, and?
>with bolt ons
Not quite. Bolt ons are easy to remove. It's kinda hard to remove my tits or my neopussy.

>>43284554
>Btw, which fetish in particular? What is your ideal goal?
idk what acronym you'd pick for it, but the thought (and likely reality) of feminizing myself and becoming a woman is in itself hot. add to that, imagining taking the role of a straight woman in relationships and in bed. it's like discarding my old self for a new, better self.

>>43285049
yeah, >>43284712 is right. It's MEF (masochistic emasculation fetish) with some agp too.
I asked because you said:
>I want to look forward at a reasonable transition timeline
And then you added:
>taking the role of a straight woman in relationships and in bed
Well, I did all of that. It's not a sudden process. It's gradual and it's not exactly cheap either, both timewise and monetarily.
My timeline:
>2011: I want this. Went volcel. Stopped jerking off, start anal training, began feminizing my behaviors, got a fagcent, came out as gay.
>2012: Begin sex life as gay bottom. Take some bica to stop further masculinization of the body.
>Late 2012: Begin hrt.
>2013: Learn make up, clothing, start dressing more fem, acquire the first serious boyfriend
>2014: Realize I want srs but the options are shit. Get orchi and start using fufu clips to slowly get used to the idea
>2015: Bf leaves me for unrelated reasons (religious family); get FFS; come out as trans, full time womanmoding
>2016: Perverted male friend becomes FWB. We end up teaching each other.
>2017: Get BA, start saving for srs for real. By this time nobody calls me "sir" anymore.
>2018: PPT srs becomes available, get myself on the waiting list. Also meet my now husband.
>2019: Get srs. 9 months of not-so-fun recovery
>2020-present: More work to soulpass but otherwise live as a straight woman
You could probably shorten this timeline for yourself if you have money and if you can skip the gay coping part. But beware of your mind.
>it's like discarding my old self for a new, better self
Eh, it doesn't quite work like that. I'm still ultimately a failed boy. And that's okay. I'm a failed boy who grew up into a woman. I'm not super pretty but not ugly either. Good enough.
So this would be another piece of advice: Be realistic with what's possible.

>>43284271
you are 5'7 116 and fantasize about being fucked in the srsussy i sincerely doubt you are as naturally dominant as you think

>>43285439
don't underestimate manlet's determination to avoid the topic.
It's actually pretty common for failed boys to larp more convincingly as tough men.
t. >>43285405

>>43285439
I lost a lot of weight recently due to stopping a medication that was giving me an appetite. Prior to this I definitely was dominant in social situations but I could see that fading away

>>43285405
yea, I guess I can take some steps from this. soulpassing might be really hard though

>>43286253
>soulpassing might be really hard though
You have a long way till there.
It gets easier if you physically pass even partially (twinkhon is still okay) and start socializing with women. It's a lot of imitation.

>>43285462
it likely comes off as overcompensation with that body
>>43285469
oh ok. do you have gay face, do people assume you are gay?

tfw wanted to troon for a fetish but hrt gives me depression

>>43286871
How does that even work?
Dutasteride is known to cause depression in rare cases, but estrogen shouldn't give you that.

>>43286601
no, straight face :/ gay face sounds better for transition

>>43281955
I took estrogen for a fetish and have debilitating reverse dysphoria now
please don’t

>>43288405
since that contradicts another anon's view (who said it doesn't exist) - can you go into more detail and describe how it feels? sorry that it's hard, i just want to know all possibilities if i transition

>>43288438
I see myself as a man so when I see my flabby gyno tits in the mirror I feel awful

>>43288524
what exactly was the fetish you started E for?

>>43288538
I had agp. e made it go away

>>43288548
This was what I was concerned about - that my AGP would disappear because E diminishes sex drive or whatever. I know that's not the case for everyone but it's definitely possible.

>>43288569
yea problem is it went away slowly for me
I didn’t have reverse dysphoria until about a year in and by then I already ruined myself permanently

>>43288609
well I hope you can save up for a double masectomy eventually. Not looking forward to estrogen killing my sex drive and making all of this no longer worth it

>>43281955
if you're not actually trans then it's not worth. the dysphoria change is so quick. your mental state completely does a 180 when you understand the direction you're moving in
i still look like a man but the estrogen changed the way i felt about myself before i ever had even minor physical changes. my dysphoria is way lower now even though objectively i look pretty similar. if you're not dysphoric with your current hormone profile you will probably have the opposite happen to you
of course, if you go on E for 3-4 months and don't feel dysphoria by then, the dysphoria might not end up coming

>>43288869
>of course, if you go on E for 3-4 months and don't feel dysphoria by then, the dysphoria might not end up coming
that's the thing.... do I want to risk being a man with bitch tits just to wait and see if my AGP remains? because if the AGP/MEF is still there it'll fuel the transition. if it disappears there's no motivating factor.

>>43288909
nta
Sex drive does take a nosedive for a few months, but it also comes back afterwards, except different.
Also, hrtits aren't really visible after 3-4 months. Mine didn't become visible until 15 months in and truly relevant after I started prog.
My libido went way down a month in and came back by month 7-ish. In the meantime I made it a point to vibrate my dick at least once a week watching masc x tranny porn and do some light anal training. By month 4 I was craving to be dicked down even though I could barely get horny.
As the other nona said, this is a very malebrained project. I treated it very militarily (and still do to a certain extent). Ultimately you own your brain and your body, not the other way around. Transitioning for a fetish is an exercise of will and getting your brain to do what you want.

>>43288338
idk if its "better" or not and i feel like thinking about it that way will drive you crazy? whats better for you is what makes you feel better. i was just asking to see if maybe you were just being hard on yourself as some closeted trans people see themselves as hypermasculine when they arent seen that way by others but if you are actually dominant and no one ever assumes you are gay then you are probably right that its just a fetish for you. and the way you are looking at transition about every trait being better or worse is male brained min-maxing

>>43287589
I become really emotional like I want to cry all day and my very active and troll personality sort of dies off

>>43290782
How long on hrt? Things adjusted to a new normal in my case after ~7 months.
Hrt is ultimately an endocrine hack. You gotta give a bit of time to your body to readjust.

>>43290782
what is your dose and type? sounds like unstable see-sawing levels

>>43282838
>I was more saying that I've never felt like a "woman in the wrong body" or the mental anguish that comes with that feeling.
"woman/man trapped in the wrong body" narratives get amplified because they're the least incomprehensible to cis people but they're not the only way people describe dysphoria
for lots of trans people it's not that they "feel like" the sex that they want to be, it's that they find the secondary sex characteristics of their asab viscerally aversive on themselves
if you are physically androgynous because puberty didn't fuck you as hard as it did most men, you have never had the opportunity for that type of dysphoria to occur
you say you have facial hair but "know it can be removed"; are you typically clean-shaven or do you actually grow it out?

>>43294367
I typically have stubble or a beard because i'm too lazy to shave daily.
andro face may've been an overstatement; but I have 1.9m so I can get all the FFS or any other surgeries I want. that's one reason this is feasible. It also helps that girls say I have an attractive face so getting FFS would presumably give me an attractive female face.
My sex characteristics aren't aversive to me either. Really the only thing that bothers me is having a smaller skeletal structure than average but transitioning would negate that flaw.

>>43294500
have you talked about this with anyone irl or like semi-real life (apps where you are facedoxxed)? or with a therapist? like youve come to the right place for honest mental feedback but talking to someone who actually knows what you look like, your mannerisms, and so on can help too

>>43294563
there's no fucking way i'm talking to anyone about this because it revolves around a sexual fetish. i wouldn't even be on this part of 4chan if not for the fetish.