Autism+ADHD tranny here. It might be the worst of all possible worlds. Everyone looks for reasons to pathologize my experience and behaviors instead of seeing me as an actual human. I'm never allowed to just be a person, just a case study for whatever fringe theories people have about autistic people or trannies.

If you have specific questions, I am happy to answer them.

>>43285980
Adhd n other shit, not like it matters.
Sucks

>>43285980
well obviously whoever made that picture have no idea what asd and adhd are, just like all the self diagnosed/american doc diagnosed trannies here

>>43285980
both here
it sucks
I'll never be normal, I'll never have a life, I'll never be anything except a loser.

>>43285980
AuDHD here.
it sucks balls. not getting into the tranny territory but my life is a constant mess because half of my brain wants something and the other half wants the opposite.

Every other tranny I've personally known has ADHD or autism (only one exception that had schizophrenia)

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i'm not diagnosed autistic but people call me that a lot
i did get diagnosed adhd but they said i couldnt get medication for it because i have psychosis on my sheet and stims are bad.
i don't know what it's like. i don't really understand how people live. all saying how i live would do is project how i think others live.
im a hard worker and i can work for hours and hours but starting myself on a task or getting interrupted is really difficult.
i got help for my adhd symptoms because i had a sensory processing disorder that was causing me lots of trouble. when there were sensory things going on like feeling the breeze or hearing birds in the background or city noises i would lose my ability to understand spoken language. I would hear the words but my understanding would just go away. it was annoying so i asked for help but the doctor didn't have much for me.
i stim like an autistic person so sometimes i worry that i am. my mom asked me, why are you rocking like an autistic person and it made me sad because i didn't notice and it made me feel retarded. sometimes when i get up from my compuiter i have to jump in the air and shake my hands and feet to make it go away.

>>43286200
I've met neurotypical trannies.
They've got their own problems, particularly for the older ones, because they were all child onset growing up at a time when the solution to trannyism in my cunt was to beat the tranny out of them.

Neurodivergent trannies all figured it out later in life, which also sucks but at least in adulthood it's easier to deal with it without have to explain to cis parents that you're actually a girl. That said the solution in my cunt to neurodivergence when I was a kid was the beat the weirdo out of us.

I just want to be normal.

>>43286156
>>43286200
Inattentive ADHD repper here, dx'd early 30's; I honestly don't know if I'm also autistic, broader autism phenotype or whatever. I've started having success in local hobbies and sports, but lost my friend group when I shared that success with them (likely due to a covert narcissist who slowly became resentful, abusive.) So now I'm unemployed in my 30s, no career prospects, no close friends, live with emotionally abusive parents that try to sabotage me. Can't pass a job interview for my life. I sound r*tarded when I speak like a pothead, but didn't have that problem until mid 20's. I think my major social issue is picking up on things, but failing to act.

>>43285980
I have adhd and most definitely other undiagnosed mental disorders. I don’t think autism because I only fit the social awkwardness and odd speech/body part of the autism criteria and don’t have any sensory issues or get overstimulated and understand subtext. But I definitely have some undiagnosed personality disorder or something.

There has to be a solution to all of this.
I'm 43 now, I can't live the rest of my life this way.
WHY ISN'T THERE A PLACE FOR ME?
I'm not bad! I can do stuff! I'm really smart! I can be useful I promise!

My parents aren't going to live much longer, I don't know what I'm going to do when they die. Am I really just supposed to kill myself?

>>43285980
I'm a repper with ADHD and my complete inability to get anything done or motivate for difficult tasks is almost as miserable as repping.

Anyone who delves into anything tranny-adjacent is guaranteed to be a neuro-atypical avoidant social fuckup with a deeply corrupted executive function

>>43287155
i’m the same except that i’m twenty years younger than you are
sometimes i resent my parents for having me in their forties

I'm like adhd-in-denial I'm paranoid that I'm an imposter so I just get literally nothing done all day instead of getting drugs again

>>43285980
Back in the day I got diagnosed with autism because my school was very desperate to figure out why I’d rather chat to my friends then focus on chemistry

I assume I’m naturally talented at masking because no one ever thinks I am autistic until they get close to me (as in dating/best friend close)

>what’s it like?
I don’t know, I have no frame of reference for what the opposite is. I make friends, I date, I hold down a job. I can’t actually name any way it’s helped or hindered me

Actually no thats a lie. When I was a very young kid I found sarcasm very confusing and had trouble with getting overwhelmed easily (I remember when I was like 6 on a crowded subway with my grandma I got overstimulated to the point where I crouched and held my ears to block it out)

But none of that really applies to me nowadays. I’m very sarcastic, I read people easily, I don’t struggle to relate to people, I have a lot of patience. If I go through the symptoms of autism I basically can’t relate to any of them. No clue why since you don’t ‘recover’ from autism but it’s just an odd thing that happened with age

>>43285980
i have add :p
it feels like just adhd for lame people

>>43285980
I'm a loser with ADHD i can't do shit until i take aderall, like mentally incapable of anything even moving or getting up

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>>43285980
i have both, the adhd is really severe, i had basically terminal dysfunction issues as a teen with it being mixed with abusive parents. idk how bad the autism is really.
it sucks!!!!!!!!

i still hate shrinks though, and don't like these conversations. most people are weak, really, really weak. all of this is pointless compared to that. this and all other threads like it are all going to be stupid transient murmurings where no words really pass. i don't boil over with resentment for my condition because i've already washed myself clean of all those things. and i can actually say that, i'm not just praying. everything said here should die here tbdesu

>>43289236
I'm weak.

When I was young I began to develop this anxiety behind my social presentation. Nothing to do with gender, just the whole morass and sloggy soup that makes up micro-expressions and social cues. It seemed like everybody else could fucking read minds, the world was this mystical place where everything that brought me joy was only of passing interest to other kids and the adults around me. People would pick up on what I was feeling no matter what I did, and when they would assume they knew why I felt that way it was hard not to think they were right. It was hard to learn why people would lie, or even that they did lie, so for a long time if someone said something about my personality or inner world it would stick, I would assume they knew me better than I could ever know myself. The compulsion to smother every ounce of my personal feelings and thoughts became so all consuming that having any semblance of personality felt like pouring gasoline onto myself before turning on the stove.
People began to describe me as smart, and that was pretty much all I was to anybody because I was so obsessed with picking the perfect words, like I could cast a magic spell to make people understand me. Intellectually most of the world makes sense, I can probably explain most of the stuff where autism converts me into a socially hilarious clown(sad), but when I need to apply any of that knowledge my instincts are all wrong. It became very clear very early that nobody ever knows anybody else, that all our beautiful words are sad little grunts that only carry a fraction of the meaning we're trying to get out of our heads. After figuring out that people arbitrarily decide when the truth matters and that even perfectly honest conversation will almost never truly be a 1:1 transfer of information and feeling, life became isolating and empty for a bit. --

>>43290010
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I've never escaped the feeling that my knowledge about the world is fundamentally flawed and untrustworthy. It took a while to accept that, that the first thing that pops into my head isn't some kind of miraculous work of magical intuitive genius, or at least to accept that it applies to more than just social cues and dynamics. It still feels like i'm just spitting out word soup if someone asks me to describe anybody's personality, like it's safer to take my cues from astrology or mbti than actually trust my own assessment of people. accepting that was a process of dealing with the damage one does to their life when they radically and pathologically accept anything that comes without trying to stabilize or protect their life and peace. Goodness, the black and white thinking, I can't talk enough about the instinct to assume everything is some kind of easily distinguished dichotomy and the endless pain and confusion it brings to people on the spectrum.
anyhoweverthoughbeit the case
Eventually I came to a place where those revelations started making the world seem brighter, instead of feeling like an indictment on humanity and existence. Despite all of those barriers, we've still come this far, we've still grown into creatures with such a deep instinct to protect and believe eachother that we've left footprints on the fucking moon. I still think like that ofc, not compulsively or anything, but it's hard to imagine anyone will see this blogposting as more than retarded rambling.

>>43290010
>>43290047
I'm not reading all that but congratulations or I'm sorry that happened to you.

Welcome to the autist club, but please learn to format your posts.

>>43286077
Try Autist+ADHD+Bipolar
I have held down 5 jobs in a row for 1 month each.

people with "high functioning autism" shouldn't be considered autistic. if you're not severely disabled you should just get over yourself and stop pathologizing being kinda weird

>>43290093
I tried to do this really really really fucking hard.
doesn't work.

>>43285980
i spent like 20 minutes writing a reply and then lost it, but the tldr was that shit sucks bad but it can be worked through

>>43290088
I mean I do have bipolar I just didn't mention it because it was relevant to the prompt.

>>43290093
you can still be disabled without it being severe. if i can only be on my feet for 10 minutes at a time, it still makes my life significantly more difficult, even if someone without legs has it even more difficult than that
i might not be drooling but autism makes life much more difficult and just because i can work through it doesnt mean im not disabled

>>43290093
High functioning is very contextual. Autism has more than one cluster of traits and you can be mildly affected in one area and severely affected in another. I got the computer autism so people consider me high functioning as I can hold down tech jobs and live independently. But I can barely drive because I get overwhelmed and only eat a handful of foods because of my sensory aversions. There's clearly something wrong with me. If you want to call it something other than autism, be my guest. But the diagnostic criteria currently call it autism.

>>43290093
It was the official diagnosis I got when it was stilled used so I still use it, it was manageable at the time but when I developed ptsd later on? It fucked me over badly and now social situations are a nightmare to me, just cause someone is high functioning it doesn't mean they're not autistic af, drunk me can attest to that

>>43285980
i have both autism adhd and some more and my life is the worst
i never had friends had a job or even studied anything i cant do anything at all, i tried alllll the adhd / autism meds and none work or do anything at all its so bad

>>43291404
hit too close to home for me desu.

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>>43285980
I have both as auDHD and life was hell before I acknowledged myself as it. Just an endless upward climb of constant beating myself up and never being able to conform with normies for prolonged periods of time, let alone employment.
The hypervigilance as a tranny is just the cruel cherry on top but even this you eventually learn to deal with the moment you're aware of it.

I was diagnosed with ADHD. Made me feel better to learn how strongly correlated it is with being trans, like maybe I’m not just faking it or brain damaged

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>>43285980
audhd mtf here

the direct symptoms are one thing but the more crippling thing is the deep deep self-loathing that comes with constantly fucking up your entire life for reasons you barely understand

even now it's hard to convince myself i'm not just making all this up and being a massive pussy. i can only work menial jobs because working in offices makes me so nervous that i usually end up freaking out and quitting

talking to people that never learned how to mask makes my blood boil and i hate myself for it. whether they never managed to learn or never had to learn, the sight of somebody being unabashedly neurodivergent fills me with a deep sense of danger, like somebody's going to start shouting at someone or somebody's going to get hit

i wish i wasn't scared of everyone

>How many trannies have autism?
Basically all of them. You will genuinely have an incredibly hard time finding one who isn't a sperg.
>How many have ADHD?
Not that many. It seems rarer than tism in general, and also is less conducive to developing identity issues, or narcissistic tendencies, or sexual revulsion, all things that often lead to someone feeling they should transition.
>How many have both?
If they have ADHD they have both.
>What's it like?
Other anons can explain it better but as, lets say, someone who 'studies' these types, it very often tends to follow the same path an autistic cis woman would, which is to say accidentally (or "accidentally") leading a bunch of people on, being incapable of grasping that people treat you different when they want to have a relationship with you, getting upset at how often people want to fuck you, getting upset that when you tell them you aren't interested they stop treating you as extra special, etc. etc. This is partially why transbians are so common. Autistic cis women are more likely to be lesbian or become FTM, but there's still plenty that are only into men, so the cycle repeats until they figure something out. Meanwhile most trans women tend to be more into women, but bi, and seeking the dynamic a relationship with a guy would bring, so they keep leading on men trying to get that dynamic from them without having to actually engage in a real relationship, and then retreating to transbianism every time it blows up in their face.

>>43293810
this pic makes me irrationally angry because it reminds me of my cheating ex

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>>43293879
Exceptional post anon. I study these types too and this seems spot on. You should post moar about it

>>43285980
>pic
me on the right my bf on the left

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>>43285980
mtf with adhd, it's awful because my meds just make me more anxious but without them i can't get work done, and i have so many built up that i abuse them sometimes, recently i went through a break up and it's like my emotions are just overflowing constantly so i abused my meds and slept 3 times in a week. I feel like something not many people talk about is just how badly your emotions can run away from you especially switching to e, it's like my brain is just overflowing with emotion and constantly overthinking, my mind feels more peaceful than it was on t but the depth of my emotional instability is crazy sometimes.

>>43293645
please nona we can be friends, maybe, i would run out of things to say after a day

>>43294283
Idk what else there is to say. Autists lacking identity is the most well documented thing ever. The connection between that and trooning out should be plain as day. I don't even necessarily think it's a bad thing, at most cringe and annoying to see r/egg_irl posting, but what often goes hand in hand with that is a complete lack of integrity, which I find utterly repugnant. A fixation on justice and fairness, often viewed to be taken so far as to be neurotic, is also supposedly an autistic trait, but despite the near 1:1 comorbidity of autism and a desire for transition, that specific trait seems almost completely absent from the average MTF unless their view of justice and fairness is "I deserve the bestest things forever just because". Faux progressivism is rampant and it seems extraordinarily rare for an MTF to be exempt from that.

>>43294681
Trannies are some of the most progressive people I know. What are you talking about exactly?

>>43294681
>Complete lack of integrity
Autists are defined by insane rigidity. I think the fickleness of trannies is because of personality disorders that accompany them

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>>43294800
The average progressive in the west stations themselves as arbiters of What Is Good and Right because they claim to value equality or equity, but in practice this is almost never the case. Most progressives will claim to believe in traits considered morally upstanding - kindness, compassion, understanding, etc. Generally just 'helping those in need' type stuff. But how this actually plays out is a bunch of fluff about how they totally believe these things and are a font of infinite kindness... who doesn't actually do anything kind. In fact most often you'll just see them demanding people treat them better. Maybe they will make non-committal remarks about acting in 'solidarity' with another 'marginalized group', but this is always EXCLUSIVELY done because that group has done the same for them, or because they view that group as deferential in the progressivism totem pole. Their willingness to align with them is based entirely on a "what do I get out of it" mentality, there is no deeper level desire to simply see all people have better lives. Any progressive thought they have begins and ends in "will this benefit me, or will adopting this stance make people do things that will benefit me?" Picrel is someone who ACTUALLY gives a fuck about progressivism. Deradicalization of people who view him as 'the enemy' through simply acting in good faith and being a genuinely kind and caring person. The average self proclaimed "progressive" would at any chance they have to actually pull someone out of hateful or fascistic beliefs, if not stop them from falling into those things to begin with, simply say "that's not my job, you have to educate yourself, no one owes you anything". It's antisocial rhetoric that does directly against everything they claim to belief. There is no desire for improvement, no intention to ever understand why people get to be like that, no theory of mind, no recognition of their own hypocrisy. Just "all for me and none for you".

>>43294681
The weirdness of this position is that you first presume the existence of neurodiversity in the form of autism, and then use that to disprove the existence of neurodiversity in the form of transgenderism reducing it to a purely psychological problem while ignoring all of the evidence that HRT is effective at treating Gender Dysphoria.

The lengths you will go to explain transgenderism as anything other than a neurological problem, despite the mountain of evidence now accrued, are actually hilarious when they're presented unironically.

>>43294534
I've actually been thinking about this problem a bit myself, I don't have access to ADHD meds, so I'm reduced to treating it with cigarettes (emotional disregulation) and caffeine (executive function), and the only reason I know I have ADHD is because I stopped using caffeine precisely because of anxiety.

The fact that many of us are dealing with this trifecta of neurodivergence, ADHD, autism, and transgenderism, presents a challenge seperate to each taken invididually, which is that the treatment for one often exacerbates another.

A complex problem needs a complex solution. The answer isn't to not take the ADHD meds, it's to take the ADHD meds and then treat the resultant anxiety. That's the only way I can see for myself to get through this.

It would be nice if there was more legitimate research on this, or at the very least more experienced clinicians in treating this. In the meantime we kind of have to figure this all out ourselves with trial and error and just share what we've learned to build up a general body of knowledge within the community.

>>43285980
i was diagnosed with autism recently

i don't really know how to describe what living with it is like because 1) I'm not sure I trust my therapist and 2) I don't know what life is like not being autistic, finally 3) I don't know where my autism ends and my other personality traits begin

but yeah my life is pretty miserable

>>43295342
The only thing you got remotely right is that I "presume" neurodivergence exists, because it does and is extraordinarily well documented, but this delves into issues with pedantic definition arguments. A lot of people - possibly you, given how you're wording this - think 'neurodivergence' isn't real. Specifically they say it's made up. And it is, because that's ALL language. But this applies to every diagnosis; a term used to describe a specific subsection of people that exhibit specific traits. 'Neurodivergence' exists because we can see this group and have decided that is how we will refer to them. 'Transgenderism' is in the exact same boat.
Where your disagreement seems to come from though is the belief that I don't think 'transgenderism' is real. It absolutely is. We have documents of the psychological study of it going back centuries. And yes, HRT (really, any kind of gender affirming care) has shown to be not just effective at treating it, but essentially the ONLY way to treat it.
What I ACTUALLY believe is that there are people who are neurodivergent, who have a MULTITUDE of problems as a result of the social climate they are in, have found that they can alleviate those problems through a solution that was made for a completely different problem, that being transgenderism. Most medications on the market have a multitude of applications. Something that could be prescribed for mental health reasons could incidentally be effective at treating some kind of organ specific complication. This isn't anything new.
Notably, I also don't even view this as necessarily a bad thing. "I have a problem and no one cares to help me solve it the right way so I'll do it however I can" is an understandable position to have. My gripe is there are still a lot of people who are autistic, or trans, who are shitty people, and the ways in which the shared 'solution' works for them, often tends to act as a excuse to never have to improve as people.

>>43295566
Nooooooo, neurodivergence exists because it shows up on an MRI and in brain autopsies post-mortem.

The distinction being a psychological problem (personality disorders, PTSD, etc) which result from psychological trauma, and a neurological problem (Autism, ADHD, transgenderism) which result from pre-natal brain malformation. We do not have centuries of psychological studies of this because the psychological studies were attempting to prove the problem with psychological (gender identity disorder as a dellusion caused by social factors) which has now been categorically disproven. We now know transgenderism is a neurological problem (gender incongruence) caused by the brain failing to masculinize (in the case of MtFs) in the third trimester of pregnancy, which incidentally is the same period of neurological development that autism and ADHD occur.

THAT'S why the co-morbity. They might be different disorders, but they've all got the same cause. Mommy smoked when she was pregnant.

>often tends to act as a excuse to never have to improve as people.
What's with all these autistic people with low executive function acting autistically and with low executive function?

The issue is our brains don't work like everyone elses, and society is not designed for us. What you're proposing is the conscious masking of our conditions, the trouble with that plan is it leads to
-Gender dysphoria
-Autistic burnout
-ADHD meltdowns

And triggering one inevitably triggers the other two. Our issue is that we'd like to avoid that, not just in ourselves, but in others since we know how fucking dangerous we can be when we're not on top of it.

Your issue seems to be that a bunch of barely functional people aren't taking personal responsibility for not functioning better. That's dumb. That's like putting the othopedic surgeon on the second floor of a building with no elevator and expecting people with broken legs to just figure it out.

>>43295542
I found youtubes from other neurodivergent people really helped me.
This guy in particular was both helpful and amusing.
https://www.youtube.com/@drkojosarfo
This guy wasn't bad either
https://www.youtube.com/@Auticate

>>43295775
Okay, yeah, I was not actually aware that we had done more modern tests to detect that transgenderism is something that can be actively detected in brain structure differences the same way we have with tism and ADHD. But, don't think its particularly relevant to my points. For reference, I have ADHD. My mom does too, even got it diagnosed as a kid, but because she's kind of retarded and my dad was an apathetic shithead, even though she had been told to get me checked out by a ton of people, she thought it'd be "too much for me", and unsurprisingly this led to a lot of problems and a very late (mid 20s) diagnosis.
Alongside that I've also been around autists and people with ADHD my whole life. Dated em, had plenty of friends who were, randomly chatted with a bunch of others because wouldn't you know they tend to share my interests. I've watched them get socially ostracized over basically nothing while I have frequently been one of the only people to show them any kind of patience and give any benefit of the doubt, because even if my own shit isn't as bad, I get it. The problem is what I have seen time and time again is people who ARE low executive function, who have people around them - and not just me - actively trying to get them to be a better person, only for them to make no effort what so ever. I think the average person should take a step back and learn a bit about how and why autistic people are like that, because for the most part, it's really not too hard to communicate and interact in a way that works for both parties. But for anything beyond that, it's a 2 way street and both people have to put the effort in. I have repeatedly seen the neurodivergent people refuse to put the effort in. And I have also watched hundreds of times over now, how someone who is like that transitions and suddenly dozens of people jump to their defense to say that actually they're totally justified in being a repugnant person. It's just enabling at this point.

Bumping this thread to keep it above the sharting

>>43285980
I was diagnosed autistic when I was 16. my whole family swept it under the rug, didn't really know I was weird until I met my bf. I thought autism was like the special ed shit

>>43297167
correction, swept symptoms under the rug before I was diagnosed

>>43285980
have ADHD-PI, not autistic but i am awkward and retarded

>>43285980
Autism + adhd

I'm so male-brained that the doctors who examined me when i was 2-3 saw through the wrong gender assignment and diagnosed me with autism anyways.

hell on earth btw but the worst part is less the disorders themselves and the little things that associate with them like sensory issues, intrusive thoughts and RSD

>>43294587
me too. i would also take super long to reply due to my own avoidant personality </3

Rescuing good thread from sharts again

>>43298792
awh thats okay

>>43285980
I'm an ADHD maxxer. They said I have not types and they're max. I don't feel like it's all that bad. I take my meds and they help. Feels like a super power to be honest. I like juggling all my thoughts constantly. So what if I constantly forget what I'm doing, it's because it's boring. Fucking drones who stay focused all the time are the ones cursed. How's that 1 dimensional thinking going...

>>43300594
Not = both

I'm glad I'm not autistic at all, but it seems to be the way the species is evolving

>>43293879
>If they have ADHD they have both.
Wrong, I tested under 0. % autistic, whilst max on both types of adhd. I couldn't even really talk til I was like 5 then I never stopped talking. Wanted to transition since 3 though. I'm rare though.

>>43289782
strength comes in all forms *kisses you on the cheek* your my bestie :D

>>43300646
aww :hugs: