I'm not owed PIV from trans women, but I wish people would understand that it's not about not seeing trans women as women. It goes without saying that any trans woman can refuse any sexual act for any reason, and it's absolutely understandable that a lot of trans women don't even want to think about their genitals let alone use them like that. But this board made me realize that PIV is seen as inherently for invalidating trans women, as if it's a punishment that trans women have to endure, a tradeoff like being treated and thought of as a man but enduring it so they can be loved. And of course if that sort of thing is forced onto you when you don't want to then that absolutely is a predatory and awful thing, but I wish people would realize it's not necessarily about mistreating and using trans women while treating them as just safe men. In my experience, my girlfriend is trans and PIV for us has always been about the intimacy of it, how much of an intimate moment it is to be so close to eachother she is literally inside you, it's never been about dominance or manliness or anything like that, and always been about being vulnerable to eachother and showing unconditional love. But this board treats it as if it's inherently about putting the trans woman in the man box and making her be the man in the relationship, like it's inherently predatory and made to take advantage of trans women.Unrelated pic solely to bait people into reading this
damn i wish i had a cis gf to lovingly piv :(
>>43286868as a post op these posts always confuse me until i remember most tranners have a penis
If we found a cure for autism there would be a simultaneous cure for transgenderism. We can pretend that the two aren't related, just get it done.
>>43286868Idk for me I just can't stand the idea of thrusting into someone, at which point it would basically be cockwarming (ewewewewewew term) and kind of pointless.It's not even that I oppose topping, I think I'd be fine with a strap, but using that fucking /thing/ just makes my brain shut down, like there's a void where even imagining doing it just doesn't compute.
>>43287040completely reasonable
>>43286868ill only piv if she straps me back. has to be a 50/50 thing too, i cant top every night and she does it just onece no
>>43286868what’s with all the cisf chaser larps recently
>>43286868you sound like a real person. like an actual ensouled human being. why art thou on 4chan? you shouldn’t be here if you’re real. this greatly distresses me
>>43287844My girlfriend used to go here quite a lot so I started going here too to see what the fuss is about, and I got trapped in the loop of seeing something outrageously stupid here that I just can't help but stay, and that happens over and over again every other day.
Fascinating how chasers adopt an idealized version of reality to align with their fetish. Even when you try to paint yourself as supportive and reasonable, you still can't help but frame it as a problem of "validity" and abstract feelings rather than a primarily functional issue. You still fundamentally think of every single trans woman as a potential source of penis. You think you just need to come up with the right words to convince her to give you access to it. The reality that some trans women don't have penises, and that even many who do physically can't use them at all even if you were to successfully convince them to try, just isn't something that you can accept.>But I wouldn't mind! I'd still be ok with it!But you were hoping that you wouldn't have to "be ok with it". You have already framed the situation such that a trans woman getting bottom surgery is taking something from you. You have framed your "tolerance" as a favour that you're doing for her. And there is simply no excuse for that.
>>43288549Even IF everything that you said was true that is neither here nor there though, like. Ignoring the fact that i would obviously focus on trans girls with functional penises on the post about PIV, and ignoring that the literal title of the post is "Trans women don't owe me PIV" and that i outright say within the first couple lines that any trans woman has the right to refuse any sexual act for any reason or for even no reason at all. The point of the post isn't "You should be open to doing PIV", the point of the post is literally just saying that I've noticed that PIV gets treated as an inherent predatory thing that only serves to not treat trans women as women, when, like anything else it can be used that way but none of those things are inherent characteristics of PIV, in my personal experience and that of my girlfriend we personally view it from a different perspective. That is all the post is about, your comment is just making up something to be mad about and claiming that it's real by putting words in my mouth and speculating about how I "really feel"
As a tranny I don't care about PiV, I had sex before transitioning and I'm not a zoomer so it's whatever. I've long accepted that my genitals are what they are and it's not like I'm ever going to trust another human to take a knife to my body anyway.With that said cis women should realize that we're not all gonna go for that stupid futa bullshit even if we're willing to PiV, sure some of us will be happy to focus on their penises and stuff but mine is barely there so under no circumstances would I tolerate the kind of hand-wringing about penis size that you see from cis people. That's something I'll never tolerate, I'm not a man and won't be held to male bullshit.
>>43286868hon hands typed this. no cis girl would care about this enough to post a thread, nor would she have taked about it enough times to be aware that this is something trans women dislikea cis girl who actually has a trans girlfriend who she has PiV sex with would just think "if i had a dick and a cis girlfriend this is how i'd do it too" and be more focused on the mental aspects of the sex to the point that the genitals aren't even really considered
>>43288813>Even IF everything that you said was trueThat trans women don't all have dicks, or that you're obsessed with them to the point that your entire concept of trans women revolves around them?>i would obviously focus on trans girls with functional penisesYep, you sure do.>the literal title of the post is>The point of the post isn't>etcYour post argues for trans women to be more willing to do PIV with the implicit assumption that the only reason they're refusing to is their own insecurities. The purpose that your caveats serve is to frame yourself as generous for being willing to compromise, which in turn frames refusal or inability to perform PIV itself as something that would need to be compromised over.I'm sure you think you're a great person, but you're using the same tactics as shitty PUAs to undermine boundaries by reframing perfectly reasonable expectations as burdensome.
>>43286868if this is true (it isn't) then i'm glad you and your girlfriend are happy together and can enjoy sexthere are a lot of trans women who are willing to use their genitals though. like if you go on mainstream trans places like r/MTF or something, every third post is talking about using the penis for pleasure purposes. 4tranners are just more likely to have bottom dysphoria because tttt is one of the only places you won't be banned for expressing that you just want to be a cis girl"trans" as a category has so many different approaches and experiences. there's more than one reason to change your hormonal sex
>>43286868You should really just chase after cismen on hrt so that you don't hurt trutrans feelings (we look the same we just don't adopt social role of woman)
>>43286868>>43286942What if two t4t transbians RPing as yaoi moids were frotting-maxxing their girlcocks inside a theyfab femrepper's slick boypussy? fr would it be hsts or lowkey rapehon coded? is it low cortisol pilled? And what if unc/auntie mogged the other transbian's gock would that switch it up? Well?
>>43286868not all of us hate it, i for one love it for the same reasons.
>>43289008nephew coded
>>43288335That's funny. I wonder if I made any of my friends or my BF browse /tttt/ same way. It is a waste of time but I do keep coming back probably for similar reasons.
>>43286868its seen as invalidating only on this imageboardtoo much of hsts shitposting
I'm a trans woman and I'd love PIV sex, I love my shenis. my gock. my girl dick. my female penis
>>43286868Yet, when I advertise that I don't mind piv, I'm a rapehonC'est la vie
>>43289344if a trans woman says anything about sex it makes her a gross moid. you can't win and you cant escape the pigeonhole you were born in
>>43288953>Your post argues for trans women to be more willing to do PIVDid you read the reply? never at any moment do I argue that anyone should be more willing to do it, in fact my issue with it comes from people on this board judging OTHER PEOPLE for doing PIV, thats why the entire post takes the approach of "you can have your preferences and your boundaries but dont project that onto other people as the standard that they have to follow". Not because I'm trying to paint myself as a Messiah to all trans people for acknowledging that trans people can have boundaries but still ultimately nagging until they cave in, but because I'm appealing to people who usually have strong boundaries about stuff like this, so it goes a long way to emphasize that I am not telling them that their way of doing things is wrong and they should change, I'm just asking them to not judge others
>>43288949>>43289319i don't think you need to particularly like your peen to use it.. most of the time it gets in the way, but it also gives you another option (out of many) for doing it
