>>43288346
Being trans and conservative was some what sustainable like 15 years back

Nowadays post trans panic you are genuinely retarded if you are a conservative tranny

>>43288395
Fuck off Caitlyn you stupid bitch. I have a special disdain for rich queer people who think they should get special treatment while everyone else gets fucked.

>>43288368
Oh hey you have a trip now. Anyways, despite the common misuse, being conservative is more nuanced than simply being Republican or MAGA. You can hold conservative positions on most issues yet not mirror the American right's particular stances (which often defy categorization as conservative values to begin with). I'd agree it's very stupid to be pro-maga and trans, the same way it's stupid to be pro-antifa and a cop lol. But that's not a significant observation desu.

One also has to recognize that progressive politics introduce a layer of harm to the demographics they claim to defend. The best that could be said of communities or political movements such as LGBT is that they're definitely the lesser of two evils. But one doesn't have to compromise on their values and identity or conform in order to practice solidarity just for mutual defense.

It's a complicated subject all in all. The simplest way to put it is that conservatism is not that simple and there's no safe haven politically as a trans person.

>>43288346
Trannies should've been conservative 10-15 years ago, said no to all the weird gender shit, insisted that there are two genders, and maintained getting SRS as the ultimate goal for trannies.

>>43288432
She fucked Elon Musk for nothing

>>43288457
Cis allies and genderflakes fucked us over. Binary transsexuals were doing just fine, and that doesn't bring in the donations, so they started advocating for weirder and weirder shit that normies hate.

>>43288498
>>43288478
Yeah, nothing to do with billionaire propaganda

>>43288478
But not everyone wants srs, and maybe some enbies really do exist
>>43288498
Probably

>>43288536
>But not everyone wants srs, and maybe some enbies really do exist
They should have had to go build a movement for enby rights from scratch instead of parasitizing transsexuals. They didn't, and now they've fucked over both groups.

>>43288551
it doesn't matter retard, they just needed someone to boogyman and trannies were someone. They can find any reason they need.

>>43288551
They should have, but people will still group them together

>>43288457
reddit spacing

>>43288571
The problem started earlier with heterosexual crossdressing men who wanted access to HRT (but not SRS) so they demanded to be counted alongside transsexuals as "transgender." They hated us "dirty homos."

>>43288457
"conservative" is a political position not many americans actually hold. When most people say conservative they mean someone who gets a boner for smoke stacks and farms and then gets drunk and does grandpa humor regardless of specific politics. The republican party largely wins over rural Americans on vibes, they don't actually have very conservative positions.

>>43288498
I have to be honest, that's definitely not true. Historically trans cohorts were not doing well, similar to gays desu. I'm critical of progressive politics but the political coalitions like LGBT became prominent as a direct consequence of conservatives alienating and persecuting minority demographics which forced them to band together.

You do have a point that the modern political arena is a pendulum that responds with competing extremes and that trans people are something of a football being passed back and forth though. There's no easy answer for trans at this point. Progressive coalitions are predatory, extreme and largely too conflict driven to result in long term change yet conservative coalitions still hate you and don't plan on being amenable. Pick your poison basically.

>>43288589
That's why the tranny thing is so efficient. Old fashioned people just want something the damn faggot kids are up to they can dump on but they can't make it normal gays anymore because people are sort of slightly ok with them.

>>43288584
This retard fell victim to the boogeyman they crafted, in reality "dick snippy" jokes are still a staple of the "fuck trannies lol" demographic because they don't even know what transition is really.

Don't fucking overthink this.

>>43288592
Transsexuals were doing better than gays circa 2010. We could change the sex on our birth certificates in almost every US state, enabling us to marry. Same situation over in the UK, of all places. Meanwhile gay marriage was still very controversial. Not even Obama supported it when he was elected.

>>43288589
Very true. I'm conservative yet always vote third party options. There's really not many options otherwise.
t. Floridian

>>43288618
i unironically prefer the incoherent redneck babbling desu, at least its more nostalgic and conservatism doesn't intellectually appeal to me

>>43288615
That's a fair point. I believe trans were just under the radar. You do have to keep in mind that the ideological/philosophical side was snowballing in academia almost independently of the medical side. I guess we can largely blame gender theory for the sudden attention that trans people received. The medical aspect was only controversial in medical circles, most people weren't aware it was happening at all.

>>43288632
That's fine? Political stances aren't commodities to rave over, I'm not sure what you mean lol

>>43288638
Once they had informed consent HRT enshrined into law and optional SRS for documentation changes I don't know what more you could want that's like everything. What were people even asking for around 2020?

>>43288661
Informed consent was a mistake. It let mentally ill people be prescribed HRT and identify as women without getting their shit under control like they used to have to do.

>>43288672
I mean, what would you do? A lot of the absolute bonkers retards just DIY these days anyways because talking to some doctor about it is too much to them.

>>43288672
What's informed consent?
Before that did they check for dysphoria?

>>43288661
Are you asking what progressive coalitions pushed for? Too much usually. American politics swings back and forth of people being too extreme on shaky premises. Most of what Trump has done will likely be reversed, even the changes that could have been good. I expect the next administration will try to be even more extreme than Trump in an antithetical manner.

>>43288368
real

>>43288682
If legitimate access to HRT were still gatekept, then we could point to the ones who behave badly and get caught by the media and say "they're not trans, because they don't have diagnosed gender identity disorder; they're a fetishist" and we would have a point.

>>43288689
They used to make sure you were stable with any other mental issues under control before giving you titty skittles. Before that they used to make sure you had a reasonable chance of passing after transitioning.

>>43288713
That wouldn't fix jack shit though, they would still find some reason because the opposition was never rational. I don't know why you WANT to bring back the stupid ritual where you read the symptoms list on the internet and pretend to match them exactly. The whole reason they went to IC was because the therapy was pointless and bodily autonomy.

>>43288457
Yup, tripfag is a new addition after someone used my name to make a thread

I’ll just lay it out, I am economically and socially left wing. I’m not a Marxist but I do believe in socialist policy combined with capitalism.

But to extend a bit of sympathy to the conservative position (even if I’ve seen no evidence it works) I think that there are definitely different branches of conservatism, there are definitely aspects of conservatism that I can respect even if I don’t agree with them, and I can totally see how someone can reach that worldview without being a MAGA type

However, the only viable Conservative Party is vehemently anti-trans, so unless you want to be one of those losers who doesn’t vote, it makes literally no sense vote right wing whilst being trans

>>43288730
>>43288713
I don't think everyones time should be wasted because of some fucktards idea of how to fix everything that wouldn't do anything because they don't even know we aren't drag queens (who never took HRT btw, none of your policies would change shit).

>>43288346
you have a right to be retarded
next question, shit thread

>>43288730
>I don't know why you WANT to bring back the stupid ritual where you read the symptoms list on the internet and pretend to match them exactly.
I want to go back to only people likely to pass being prescribed HRT. But I'll take not letting obviously mentally ill people get it.

>>43288757
But that's subjective though isn't it? Why should some fucktard doctor care if you are going to pass or not.

You just want to cover your own ass but in reality all it does is make transexuals look like a bunch of childish disloyal pricks because maybe that's all we are.

https://youtube.com/shorts/SBAk_pN7Dro?si=jlJKiKzCSeGdm5k0

>>43288757
I was a 1/10 male, the docs didnt give me hrt. Im now actually quite hot, so that policy is dumb

>>43288772
the people you need to worry about see you as an abomination that belongs in hell.

No amount of gatekeeping the yungins will change that.

>>43288738
If you mean voting Republican or MAGA then yeah. Conservative coalitions are anti-trans as a sticking point. Being trans and conservative basically just means you have to either vote third party or vote for the progressive coalitions (Democrats etc) despite disagreeing with them on almost everything. However, some trans people rank other issues above trans issues and may still vote for conservative coalitions out of a sense of civic duty even if it hurts them specifically. Politics is not so simple as we'd prefer haha

>>43288783
In my view I can sympathise with some degree of conservatism (as long as it’s not the ‘the Jews are responsible for all your life problems and we need aryan pure blood’ genre)

But politics is very polarised today to the point where being a moderate isn’t a viable political strategy. You either vote for the party of spineless idiots or the party of idiots who actively want to watch you burn

>>43288346
the functional definition of "Conservative" has changed a lot. It used to have lots of the same baggage, but now the cult has pretty much subsumed all of the fragile principles that it's zealots once claimed to believe. The easiest thing to do is just spit out one of the obvious labels so you can speedrun political lean and then continue to ignore it and react to events with your gut and then nominally justify it post hoc.

>>43288772
>You just want to cover your own ass but in reality all it does is make transexuals look like a bunch of childish disloyal pricks because maybe that's all we are.
I want to cut the number of transitioning by at least 90% because most trannies starting today are profoundly mentally ill and have no chance of ever integrating as the opposite sex successfully. Right now transsexuals as a group look like fools at best and sex pests at worst.

>>43288802
I get that and do agree that, for most trans, you really should vote blue just for survival. My point was more that many people have more complex beliefs where they may put their nation, community, etc before themselves. There very may well be a trans girl out there who recognizes conservative coalitions will harm her specifically yet believes they're better for the country on most issues. I can respect that even if it's tragic.

>>43288814
Have you met any of these or are you just some she chud who watches too much bullshit news?

>>43288690
>even more extreme
I've got big doubts that it will do anything more than pay lip service to that "extreme" position at best, and continue to kick dirt when it comes to solving any of the problems the current admin was ostensibly voted in to resolve. Best we'll get is a lot of slow rollout for the undo button while the majority of the most damaging and least sexy changes are completely ignored.

>>43288827
Ok but for real though and I know what your talking about but those people aren't even using informed consent, they literally are just buying estrogen off the internet and are like 17 or are too retarded to even book an appointment.

>>43288346
poons being conservative is based because it's what men tend to be. but men are retarded so

>>43288835
Hm, well I can't say for certain either way. I'm going off of my intuition more than a well supported thesis haha

>>43288821
I get your view and I respect it.

But I will also say conservatism in general in my view has been economically the single biggest cause of the shit show we’re in today

Trickle down economics, neo liberalism, tax cuts for the one percent, these have all been observable failures that are a substantial amount of the reason why the world has gotten worse

An unregulated system that only functions with infinite growth as it’s main principle is doomed for failure, someone’s retirement fund should not depend on the stock market

>>43288855
Infinite growth is probably a good approximation for where industrial society ought to head, until literally every person in the world is at a first world quality of life and the population is stable there will be growth.

The problem comes from trying to force markets into things they shouldn't be forced into or regulating things that are better at self regulating.

>>43288850
I think so too
But better men tend to be left leaning

>>43288852
I hope I'm wrong, but we didn't wind up with this visceral mistrust and spite for the gov for no reason

>>43288865
This always confuses me because we have been letting the market self regulate to an unprecedented degree for the past 45 years and you know what? The world has gotten substantially worse.

There’s a reason 1950-1970 were called the post war boom. High tax rates on the wealthy, mass nationalisation, these were the cause of the golden age of economics

Reaganomics was what killed the economy largely. Not to claim that if we tried to recreated the post war boom nowadays it would be successful, times have changed, but times changed largely in response to Neo liberalist policy

I just can’t buy that after 45 years of neoliberalism the solution is ‘another decade of neoliberalism! The wealth will trickle down this time for sure!’

>>43288855
As a conservative, I'm very critical of many of those things. I think my politics are best described as 'nationalist pragmatist'. I don't like LGBT as a movement/coalition but I recognize it only exists due to Conservative pressure. I wish a different direction could be taken where 'my people' left room for reason, since the most effective way of atomizing groups like LGBT is to remove the opposition they sustain themselves on.

As for economics, a lot of mistakes. I feel immigration devalues native workers (as did Marx tbf) yet is largely over focused on. The bigger issues in the economy are trends such as in retail and service where stores operate on skeleton crews/under hire, over emphasize part time workers and focus on rapid expansion over local growth. Things like a livable wage are unattainable because even in places like California you'll be kept poor though these trends. My view is that, in a regulated economy, addressing this issue directly before economic collapse is fully realized makes sense. But unfortunately, conservative coalitions are big business and progressive coalitions are also big business for the actual macroeconomic issues in America. Both argue over immigration and wages when those are minor factors.

>>43288865
It's actually kind of an interesting pickle to be in, economic growth is desirable and inevitable no matter the system, but atmospheric CO2 is the limiter because the higher that goes it imposes a larger quantity on further growth.

There is a lot of promise that in the future each dollar of GDP will decline in CO2 intensity but have you seen Africa and Indonesia? That's going to be a lot of pickup trucks to fuel and white picket fence lawns to water.

>>43288886
Yeah I think 1945 to 1970 economic policy would work fine, its what I support. The thing is though, that still ended in stagflation and well... Reagan.

I think we will swing more left and it will make our lives better. What worries me is the amount of fossil carbon that still needs to be burned to develop the world and what that will do to the "debuff" that is global warming. Unfortunately CO2 is much more tied to economic growth than most pollutants.

>>43288836
too bad 17 is way too late to pass lmao

I hate all of you and hope it ends with absolute genocide for every evil faggot out there.